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Hey uzual. .Great WAMU news this evening to come home to.
So where was dinner??
This should be an exciting few weeks don't u think?
Even though this rollercoaster rde will have plenty ups and downs for some weeks I'm content that the EC will get us something. How much. is up in the air but it seems a lot of trouble for nothing by the judge if there isn't something for us at the end of all this.
I'm picking up small amounts on the mm dips and hope to accumulate enough by the time this is finally resolved.
I'm not sure if we're going to see any real cheapies anymore but I'd swap pennies for dollars all day long,,,
Good news for everyone to go to sleep with this evening,
IMHO-The EC statement just before close was well timed and will have the opposite effect that the statement made last week in court had, which drove the price down - THIS IS GREAT NEWS and GAME ON!!
If the Ec finds the proposal unacceptable and it's appointed and approved by the judge then we must presume that they have an acceptable offer in mind that they're willing to take.
I'm betting that it's greater than the 0.18 cents that i just paid for shares late in the day. In fact I'm guessing that the share price should grow steadily now (with the usual manipulations) since the question is very simple;
What is the settlement figure the EC is willing to accept?
I was getting really worried here for a minute when I saw the first ever negative post from my buddy uzualsuspect yesterday BUT THIS NEWS FROM THE EC WAS SUPERB...
My letter to the judge went in the mail today and i suggest that everyone do the same and not wait for other to do it for you.
Perhaps diamondguru can see the future after alll???
I agree, that's why i have an order in at that price.
Thanks for the replies I get to my posts. I appreciate that some agree with my postings and some TOTALLY disagree. Isn't that what open discussion is all about???
I come to this board to read all the 'expert' attorneys and others who have posted their DD for the past year. EVERYONE has been wrong, havn't they?
Am I right with my posts? Of course not....
No one here has or will have the answers. This game is being played at too high a level of deviousness for us to comprehend. The billions, the reputations, the lies, the manipulation we're talking heavy stuff here by the parties involved.
The deal we saw last week WAS the done deal in December before EC came in. IMHO
But i DON'T see where the EC has come to our rescue. Again they might merely confirm that equity will get nothing and the deal last week is fair and should be approved by the judge.
Meanwhile something encouraging from the EC would be nice...
WISHING that it all works out well isn't going to make it so.. Make some money while you can. Should have been flipping this thing for the past 12 months, I could have probably reached my long target just by doing that...
Sorry, my honest from the heart posts are too much for this board, which is why I'm limited to only 2 a day..
DON'T GET ME WRONG... I WANT TO SEE diamonds $12++++ - Actually it would be very interesting to see what diamonds take on all this is???
I hate to state the obvious answer but..
We had a high of 70 cents and then the HUGE, HUGE, HUGE sell off to 9 cents
A deal was struck last week which as far as the mass media and anyone remotely interested, is done and complete. The headlines which as far as 99% of the population is concerned was Chase has bought WAMU for 4 billion dollars. THAT'S IT OVER, FINISHED, HISTORY...
Now I for one have no idea where anyone gets the idea that the headlines are going to be re-written to say.. 'oh, oh we the media in this country made a mistake it was actually 20 billion or 50 billion or whatever'. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS...
I LOVE THE POSITIVE THOUGHTS ON THIS BOARD BUT.. We have been manipulated from the start, and the silence from the EC says it all.
How come the scumbag attorneys (we on this board know who they are) can in open court say things that drive this stock into single digits YET the EC who is actually supposed to be representing OUR INTERESTS says nothing..IF THEY ACTUALLY SAID THE DEAL TO THE COMMON SHAREHOLDERS IN UNACCEPTABLE, the world and the market would know we are fighting..
To answer your question forestflanigan, they are hiring their own attorneys to PROTECT THEIR OWN, I REPEAT THEIR OWN INTERESTS..NOT ANYONE ON THIS BOARD!!
IMHO... They know the games up, we are powerless against such mighty forces and unless we get off this board and start peacefully protesting in the streets all the posts in the world aren't going to get justice...
Where is diamond, where r the all knowing attorneys that for the past 12 months spilled their words of wisdom on this board for all of us to absorb???
Anyone who has been on this board for months can tell it's changed. Jst admit to yourself that it's over and pray, yes pray that somehow this gets driven up to a price that makes sense to get out.
The only thing that will change my mind is not more uninformed posts BUT something solid and POSITIVE from the EC that they expect to see something for commons.
I fully expect all future court hearings to be a cleaning up and securing of the deal struck last week.
I'm pissed off, I'm sad that this could go on in this great country BUT it's done and it's over.
I was holding a small core position but there's nothing to be long about anymore, like many others here I'm just flipping to try and get some dollars before the whole thing collapses and final closure.
The rich get richer and nothing has or will change here.
climerprof.. Thanks for your private message that was good reading...
I only get two posts (i can hear a sigh of relief from many on the board) lol - so this one's for you
I agree with you totally. I was screaming at the computer during that crazy day. I got out what I needed and then was kicking myself all day for not doing more. Yes 0.70 was an amazing number to reach, considering this was a buy at just 3 cents not so long ago.
I was more happy that those that bought in at 50 cents a few months ago had a chance to make a decision about getting their money back and/or even making some profits
I suspect you're like me, hopeful that u can make some money but not caught up in the frenzy and prevailing 'wisdom' of this message board.
Thank goodness for Joyce and the EC, the so called routine posters and experts here were so so wrong BUT she was so right in forming the EC (remember all those posts here slamming here and telling us to ignore her etc)..
Some on this board IMHO are truly wonderful, but others you can see right through them with their one-sided versions and unwillingness to tell ALL the facts of the past few months.
I realized that long ago which is why I just do what they do, write crazy stuff. Let's remember Chiron was writing such crazy stuff previously that she/he was being mocked here constantly and had to change screen names. Now people take the new posts seriously. lol
climerprof have courage.... decide on your selling point today and get out what you can and leave in the rest just in case tomorrow brings something positive and unexpected.
Okay, off for a long week-end...GOOD LUCK GOOOOOOOOO EC and WAMU
fsshon,
This response is to you read it slowly....MORE importantly it's to all the newbies who have a very important decision to make today.
Newbies I suggest you read fsshon;s 167184 response to my post and his deep and unwavering explanation about how WAMU and the common shareholders are going to be okay because the law is on our side, when you see him rip my post to bits and puts his carefully crafted response together it all makes sense.
Now once you read that post understand that this sentiment was and is still today the predominent thought on this board. HOWEVER what fsshon fails to mention is the FACT that we have now learnt that the attorneys up to a few weeks ago had conspired to SCREW the common shareholders and leave them with NOTHING!!
if it hadn't have been for the United States Trustee and the judge appointing an Equity Commitee this would have been over weeks and weeks ago and common shares would have got zero..
As much as no one wants to admit it here, Starke is correct, this common share is a lottery ticket. A few weeks ago you would have lost and ripped it up, the question remains now with the EC if we still have some chance left of recovery...
iMHO if we don't see a significant increase by the end of today then we see nothing tomorrow, my opinion, and yes i'LL LOSE MONEY just like you guys and girls...
My reasoning is that every attorney knows that they rely on file clerks and others who have privy to sensitive information, in a case of such magnitude I just dont believe that there's not going to be a leak about tomorrow during the day today.... Someone, somewhere is going to tell someone!!
Finally please don't take my word on any of this I'm not even a nurse, that's my stage nickname. People have written to me telling me my posts are unbecoming to nurses. can you believe it?
We have people here that honestly believe that everything written here on a message board is pure and straight forward. That's where u newbies get in to trouble...
I will be BUYING today when the stock tanks to a low of under 40 because as Starke says it's a lottery ticket and in California lottery tickets cost a dollar.
Again, I want to make money BUT my hope and prayer is that the pre-seizure people see much of their money back, they are the ones that deserve justice here.
I'm off to the bay for a few days, no computer, no cell phone.
In conclusion, I wish fsshon well as I do everyone here and I hope that for all of our sakes justice is done and diamond is a genius!!
Hi usual,
can't private message you but i'm up early tomorrow and I've made up my mind to throw it all in the pot. Once in a lifetime opportunity here. It's been an emotional rollercoaster, Im holding some free shares from flipping the past few months but tomorrow morning I'm in!!
IMHO I think it'll be a bloodbath tomorrow as they try and shake out more shares one more time. Today it would have been to obvious so it was just a gentle ride, tommorow could be over 150 million as people take their final positions before the big day.
If settlement isn't announced early Friday morning it's going to take balls of steel to hang on. I'm going out for the day Friday, not taking my phone (on purpose).
You've done a truly fabulous job the past few months.
Anyone who has such great taste in women like Lindi deserves my respect and I hope your wishes come true!!
Good luck to the oldies, the newbies.
Especially good luck to those who were screwed pre-seizure, for all of you I truly hope you see a substantial return to where u were before this disgraceful act too place.
I knew that would get u back to posting again.. lol
I love this board, so many serious people here.
Plenty of court action agreed, but where does settlement = $$$
Could one suggest that settlement = end of case and pennies for the common folk?
Could one suggest that settlement = 0 to commons?
Could one suggest that the EC see nothing here after all their DD
l'd like to believe and hope but we've seen where that's got us after a year!
Facts are messy things to deal with and having attorneys file papers in court and line their pockets with $$$$ as they do so doesn't help you or me and proves nothing.
I've now got cash for the sell off you have stock we'll see where we are next week. I think we'll be under 0.20 again and I'll be buying and flipping ahead of the next court case later in the month when once again we'll rise up a few pennies. i SHOULD have been buying and flipping the past year there's a lot of money to be made doing it, I can see the appeal.
I admire everyones commitment here on this board and I hope one day you all make the millions you're expecting.
I must say that I am flummoxed regarding the non-action today. I realize that fence-sitters have been burned on a regular basis with amended agendas - rendering past hearings impotent - but this time we are approaching the hearing stronger and meaner than at any other point!
You just don't get it do you..
There's about 3 -4 dozen people here who still believe settlement is soon and millions who believe like me now that as per past BK history of this size this could take years and years with delay and appeals for a decade.
I sold 90% a couple of days ago and am keeping just a few for kicks and giggles.
JPMC/FDIC are NOT going to hand over billions of dollars without exhausting every nook and cranny of the legal and political system..
Listen you may be right, BUT there is not one piece of solid evident to support any theory that a settlement is imminent.
Preaching the same mantra over and over again before each court case doesn't make things happen.
Look, even Mordacai has dissappeared, probably sold his holdings and moved on to bigger and better things.
IMHO there's going to be a tremendous pullback after tomorrows non-event and a huge opportunity to keep buying and flipping which seems to be the best option over the next few months and years until this eventually gains some traction
I want to wish all you longs well. I have a tremendous respect for Mordi and he helped me make up my mind after much personal DD. However if we are to believe much that he's written in the past to be on the ball and helpful, then to discount the fact that no settlement came this past week-end would be foolish to ignore. SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT HERE...
If commons are wiped out and the elites cover all this up as per past JDMC history, what r u guys on this board going to do? You can count on one hand the amount of media outlets covering this. Everyone admits on this board that they tell people about WAMU and the response is that it's bankrupt and that it's a worthless stock and a non issue.
Ordinary hard working people have lost lives and millions by the theft of this bank but Is anyone here going to march to congress or outside JD's house if the commons get nothing? Of course not! It'll be just bitch and moan among two or three dozen posters.
I can't ignore the fact that Judge Sleet who has tremendously close ties to Biden/Obama, has yet to rule (I believe) and I'm wary of the fact that he may be the secret weapon for JD and the FDIC.. Perhaps they know thru the recent JD/Obama WH meetings that he's going to make sure that the country and the administration are not embarrased here and will not allow this to see the light of day and reveal the truth.
LET'S NOT FORGET JD IS A HERO TO THESE ELITES - THEY WILL NOT BE EMBARRASED AFTER GIVING HIM THEIR 100% SUPPORT!!
I'm in at 0.10 and out happy at 0.29. I just can't believe that this is going to end well for any longer. I know there's a lot of positive stuff written on this board but so close to 3/4 and not even close to the high of 0.40+ is extremely fishy to me.
I've done well over the past few months and I'll be able to give my profits to charity and have a nice vacation, buy a car and pay some credit cards off. More than I could have done year ago. So thanks to all of you and good luck
HALT...
Why does everyone presume that the upcoming court case will be important?
The settlement will come behind the scenes, the stock will be halted and more likely the court case will be confirmation and agreement to the settlement.
We're not going to be privy to an open court case where the parties agree and announce a settlement because then the stock would EXPLODE immediately.
Way more likely and I agree with diamond, this is going to surprise everyone with a sudden HALT and that's it. The judge will merely confirm by slamming down the hammer CASE CLOSED!!
That's why flipping at this stage is madness..IMHO
We could see this finish BEFORE the next court date because the FDIC may be extremely concerned at what the judge may come up with if they appear before her again...
The meeting between JD and Obama, the JPMC issue with the 401k's, the last court meeting where it was clear JPMC were ok with the judge to rule until FDIC cried for more time, all these things can not be coincidences. CLEARLY the movement towards closure is near, Obama doesn't want something from left field about this theft exploding near the mid-term elections.The dems are going to e slaughtered anyway, so anything else will make it even worse.
The final act is close, anyone selling for pennies here are in my view just plain crazy because after all this time the hammer could fall any minute.
mmmm... sell for 60 cents and an hour later the stock is halted mmmmm I DON'T THINK SO!!!
BIG fortunes favor the BRAVE...
BTW... Where's diamond and Mordi?
oh one quick question for the legal team here. Can the EC MEMBERS sell or purchase additional common shares???? surely not based on their insider knowledge?
Thanks uzual, you're doing a great job
I'm thinking that JPMC will be delighted to pay WAMU the $8 which was turned down, perhaps $10 in settlement. They have already made a fortune since the theft and to settle at that original price would be great business for them, and as far as JPMC BOD JD will be a super- hero to have pulled this off.
FDIC is a different story, I don't think anyone knows what's possible here but getting us up to diamonds numbers doesn't seem unreasonable.
What's your thoughts as we enter the last laps of this marathon?
You've done a fantastic job uzual..
BTW there's no way this is going to any jury trial. There's probably about 6 people left in America who have anything positive to say about banks these days.
If 12 people get a chance to hear what went down here and decide compensation to all those that suffered through this theft, the dollars awarded will be HUGE! Forget 2 or 3 times we could be looking at 10-20 times!!! Just to 'stick it to the man'!!
JD may be arrogant and think he's a banking god BUT he's not stupid and neither is his BOD. There is zero chance they're going to risk their bank and the reputation built over decades to a jury.
IMHO
diamond..
your 2 x value is that a SETTLEMENT figure or is that going to be a court case final figure.
R u saying that sometime before the end of March this thing ends with 2 x value around $12 being the settlement.
Is that going to satisfy the EC and pre seizure folk?
Questions, and forgive me if these have been covered.
I understand that the two parties can come to an agreement and settle, which I guess if the judge thinks it's reasonable, she'll simply endorse and sign off on.
What happens however if the two parties can't agree.
Does THMJW hand down her verdict and her settlement numbers?
If so, is there any appeal or is her verdict and the amount final and unappealable?
Finally, if either happens when typically do the 'common' folk see the new price reflection, weeks, months?
Thanks
Thanks for your fabulous confidence and amazing DD.
Once I understood that WMI= WAMUQ the whole picture and everything you and others have been writing became crystal clear.
I think for some they still quite don't understand what went on and the billions that WMI STILL has and why this BK is like nothing ever seen before. There is and will likely never be anything like this opportunity ever again.
I'm not sure what the final numbers will be but I think your 2 x value which will be $16 is as near to a possibilIty as anything.
Like many here I'd like to see this finally end.
diamond, what's your best guess as to when we'll finally see closure here
Hey Usual,
Couldn't say hi last night since I've been in IHUB jail (I deserved it). I got bored with the daily predictions and was just posting crap.
Anyway I've been here every day. A few months ago I sold all my commons and bought all WAHUQ and happily made a very nice profit. Once the EC was approved I sold all of those and now I'm 100% back in commons with a very nice number of shares and exactly where I want to be.
There's been some tremendous DD here and wow we all owe the EC (especially Joyce) a huge thanks if this plays out well.
My thinking having read and digested all that's happening is JD and JPMC are going to have the last laugh. I'm thinking they're ready to settle (they were last court date) and I'm guessing the number is $8 which is exactly what WAMU turned down last time. The FDIC as diamond says are the ones in deeper trouble and they'll probably kick in another $8 which gives us 2 x value and $16 a share.
The irony is I believe that JPMC will have gotten what they wanted at the price they wanted, it's the FDIC that's going to make this pot even sweeter with their interference.
Anyway, forget the daily penny fluctuations, the final act is ending so buy what u can, add to the portfolio and just wait for the HALT and a nice pay day
diamondguru
Been slowly accumulating and after many months have a wonderful amount of shares. The pay off for us longs is within weeks IMHO. If you're right with 2 x value I'll be retiring when I get paid.
I used to read you on the WAMU board. Don't u get it yet? The board is moderated by a bunch of left wing Marxists (can u say Obama). So when u point out an opposing view that's not 'group think' you get sent to 'jail' or the gulag to be re programmed.
Absolutely amazing...
Wake up America here is your free speech rights trampled on right here on IHUB
Just joking with you all... We're all going to make a fortune with this. It's obvious to everyone who reads the well written posts...
Between the experts here, we've solved the court case, had billions upon bilions returned, are back in business with the bad guys and girls in jail..
We've beaten one of the most poweful banks in the world AND taken down the FDIC...
Wow, what a story.... I love it
Cant wait to see it all happen and come true...
did diamond really mean 12cents++++
jeeeze all this time I thought he meant dollars :)
holding strong my 10000 shares could expose with news today and the return of the mysterious cash. We may get a bump to close at 17
Chiron, save your money... U and I have been here long enough to know where this is going... 0.44 was the time to get out, that may be the high for 2009.
Your right, the judge blinked first last week, didn't rule and now she's likely second guessing herself and her future. She should have announced the ruling this week-end to show them who is in charge but I'm convinced she's weak.
Maybe worth buying in single digits just for a laugh but the past omnibus's have proved uneventful and the stock has nose dived.
9 or 10 cents would be worth it I'm sure the MM's and propogandists will convince sone people a few weeks from now and we'll see 20 or above before another waste of time omnibus
I'm convinced diamond is now right... NO leak.. This will be halted and then we'll open at ZERO!!!!
Face the facts folks. FDIC playing hardball with judge who blinked and now we're all going to get screwed!!!
Thanks for your concern... Still got 10000 in the game.
The decision has been written and the clerk has taken it to the photo copy machine. So if it's positive the whisper will become a roar...LEAK - LEAK - LEAK
Who doesn't want to be rich?????????
Either this is going to explode tomorrow or we're ALL going to see single digits again...
This time next week???? 16 cents or $16
Bets anyone??????????
Oh look JD leaving plus the witch leaving, this is way way too much of a coincidence I'm the first to agree. BUT there are very powerful and well connected people watching this case.
This stock should be sky rocketing based on the past court findings and now news of JD and Bair leaving. We're not the only ones that can read the potential tea leaves, however this stock has plummeted from it's highs even with all the good case law, opinion and resignations etc..
People on this board are missing something here, what I don't know but I wouldn't be suprised at a curve ball any moment!!!
I'm the first to agree that they are all scum bags and deserve awful, awful punishment with long jail terms. However these are very powerful people, most political not business figures and it is almost unheard of for these folks to go to jail.
There's one thing to wish for a satisfactory end to this and quite another for it to happen. There is NOTHING certain about this case no matter what's written on this board.
Certainly NO ONE here can guarantee commons will remain whole.
If only fairy tales came true...
Powerful protect the powerful...
Great dd johnnywinter... Of course your chastised for bringing up an opposing point of view but your spot on. WAMU could be worthless for all we know just as the Feds said they were. Hell, they r worthless that's why the stocks at 0.16...
This is a just a fun penny stock. Probably a fabulous buy at 0.10-0.15 and wait for a few up ticks to 0.25. I'm buying 250000 in at 0.12, why not...Other than that game it'll be years before we see this rise from the ashes.
Jestiron.. I'm wrong... You're right.
now you're beginnig to sound like me... Ok I'll wait...
I'd love to make $1 and get $10,000!!
I'd love EVERYONE HERE TO MAKE A FORTUNE...
Just be reasonable here, that's all I'm saying... See BOTH SIDES...
Have you taken the time to read JPMC arguement??? It's not as fanciful as some here would want you to believe...
Have you taken the time to consider that the 4 billion didn't even exist and it was just a shell game???
I'm hoping not, but do you know I'm wrong? Have you seen it? Do you know for a fact it existed and wasn't merely clever book keeping by WAMU?
U can shoot the messenger if you like but 0.50 would be great for the newbies who bought in. I'd like them to see their money back. I'm out with now just 10000 at 0.10 so I don't care either way.
dianeRN, don't get caught up with the notion that WAMU are 100% right and JPMC are a bunch of crazies. There's way more to this story that's been laid out on this board.
There's every chance that commons get cancelled 100% and JPMC win the entire case. JPMC want to go to trial, that in itself tells anyone willing to listen that they are convinced there was no wrong doing and they can prove that WAMU were in trouble and they did the right thing.
Folks here can spin this all they like, but there is always 2 sides to the story and when this comes before a jury many years from now anything is possible.
Wait for the normal 'group think' response that's seen here over the past few months. Yes I know everyone here (except me) is an expert. That's clear because you ALL have been so spot on with your predictions about this case.
Everytime it doesn't go right the 'experts' here dig deep to find a reason why and then the game begins again as they spin the story before the next court date. Oh my gosh, it's hilarious.
THE LAWS THE LAW - THE TEAM KNOWS EVERYTHING - $12++++ - THE SHORTS ARE COVERING
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Okay. So JPMC say the money never existed and it was just a shell game by WAMU but EVERYONE here completely wants to blindly disagree because YOU ALL know for a FACT that the money actually did exist?? mmmmmm can you prove JPMC are wrong, because the market clearly feels that they may be right and WAMU was indeed playing games. Has anyone noticed the stock has spiraled down??
Being blinded to the opposing parties viewpoint has led to many newbies here buying in at 0.40 point and losing tons of cash.
Again you can reply with the standard 'group think' that prevails on this board or perhaps you may realize that JPMC may have a very strong case against WAMU.
Bought 10000 just for the hell of it. Shooter you r 100% correct. I said weeks ago this was going to go against us because of political pressure on the judges but we have too much 'group think' on this board.. Crap like 'the laws the law' etc... Sure that's how we get do many miscarriages of justice because the laws the law!! We have the same little group of experts on this board (u all know the names) who continually pump and pretend they know the future. It's a breath of fresh air to have new posters here who can see through the nonsence that's routinely posted by those experts..
If your a newbie note one thing... JPMC told the judge they want a jury trial!!! That means they aren't concerned about WAMU attorneys and they are 100% convinced they'll prevail after many years of a trial and appeals
I'm in for 10000 just in case we hit a $1 sometime in 2010 or 2011
Just 30 minutes away from leaving this stock and this forum. I wanted to thank everyone, I got in at 0.10 and I'm happy with my 250000 and selling at a profit.
For the past few months we hear at the time of every omnibus how this stock is going to fly, how settlement is happening that week-end and let's be honest EVERYONE here thought this week we'd see a huge run up.
The reality is this stock is going nowhere for some time. In 2010, maybe 2011 WAMU will emerge from BK and will be strong, lean and certailny worth looking at, it will rise slowly from the ashes and eventually rise above a $1 and move on from there. I hope so.
There WILL NOT be a settlement from JPMC for many, many years after ALL appeals are heard. No company is just going to hand over billions of dollars without exhausting every avenue both within and outside the law. JD is well connected with this administration and you dismiss the political dimension here at your peril.
Goo luck to you all, no need to respond since I won't be reading anymore here, but once again wanted to thank you for helping me make a few dollars.
You're right shooterkc don't shoot the messenger... The big news is that there's going to be no settlement this year and this stock will see single digits within the month.
Other news... JD will be made treasury secretary in 2010 (mark this post)
Most here are wishful thinkers, but the reality if you're willing to see what's happened this past month is this stock is going nowhere until WAMU comes out of BK. At that time the commons could easily be cancelled (as stated by previous posters), there's zero guarantee that they wont.
I should have sold at 44 like many here because even with diamonds pumping and 'the law is the law' others perhaps closer to the case know where this is heading and it's not looking good.
Please pick up my 250000 shares in the am.. Bye bye for ever from me I'm taking my winnings from 0.10 and I'm out.
Not one single poster here has even come close to facing the reality of the situation, it's just dreams and pumping
If EVERYONE isn't happy by the end of this month then the only thing I'll post from then on is......
Goooooooooooooo WAMUUUUUUUUUUUUUU OR
IF XXXXXXXX gets paid then xxxxxx gets paid
or we're moving up from 0.20 to o.15 tomorrow etc etc
Like 75% of the posters here...