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Downtown@ Agree 100% with your argument here.
To sue a company you invest in - is 'a sort of 'revenge thinking' that has no place in business.
As you rightly ask: What do you aim to accomplish ?
Even you would win' and bankrupt the company - you would never get back 'your proclaimed loss' - so again: What is the purpose ?
Amarin did everything possible to win patent case - hired 'what they thought' were the best law firm - in hindsight chose the wrong Circuit - but that's hindsight - where we would all be Rich as Bezos :)
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Have noticed earlier - that those posters who 'hate' Amarin and management the most' - is usually 'the hardcore gamblers in options' who needs someone to blame for their misfortunes.
Regular investors - do mostly realize 'it's all part of the game' of playing with Bio stocks. :)
bio@ Thanks for thorough answer here. And I get it there are Rules' !
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But are these 'Rules always complied with' ? For creative Businesses there are ways around almost everything - like say the 30% Rule STS mention ?
You cooperate with a number of Hedge funds - to avoid having to expose your intentions etc.
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What makes me wonder here' is WHO bought more than 300 mill AMRN shares the 3 days after Du's ruling marts 30. 2020. Many at the time guessed that GS somehow involved. Someone very clearly laid a floor at $4 from the start' - WHO IS THAT SOMEONE (combined group of SOMEONES) ? :)
Saved this from day after Du's ruling' - as it was UNUSUAL. And it kept on for the next 2 days the same way.
sts@ I wouldn't be so sure. What if the potential buyer already own's eg. more than 60- 70% of shares in the company.
The more the BO prize for AMRN the richer he will be himself ?
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The fact that this stock has been 'sailing so low' ever since Nevada Ruling - but still has very big potential 'handled in the right way by BP'- does put AMRN in a category of its own - in the market.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=160580025
If one of the top BP's bought this (actually owning most of the company already') - they would be able to put Vascepa 'On the Map' effectively with a price 'that echoed'. A fantasy maybe - but then again 'New year' - Yes :)
Jasbg
mrmain@ Maybe they are (and have been all a long) - so they only have to 'lets say eg. buy the last 100 mill to gain control of the company.
Then the prize would not mean that much - but they would still need to 'officially buy the company to get full control'.
A strategy like that would maybe also explain the 'locked around $5' for months.
If they own 300 mill shares in advance they would make 'themselves' rich buying the company for $35 share. Sounds a little to easy - am I missing something here ? :)
raf@ Sorry - I didn't notice that - no harm done.
But surely a interesting video - probably most for 'bio/med lay people' like me :)
Jasbg
Pharma@ You mentioned 'The Windowmaker' - i searched for it (have newer heard of it before) - and maybe others would like to see it too so her is the link:
OT@ Big Brother (Google) knows what is best for you.
Ever wonder why there is virtually noting to be found on 'biggest election fraud in US history' ?
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Google and Facebook and twitter Censored it Out (not good for population to know).
Look what a 'True' (not censored) search would have shown population':
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=election+fraud&t=h_&ia=web
It is in fact chocking to se 'First Amendment' totally suppressed by 'Big Tech' to regain full control.
ggw@ Teva fetched this guy as CEO - and still lost in a US Court.
OT@ Here a 'alternative look' at 'Covid policy' in UK - and rest of the world :)
Fly@ Nonmatter how big you make the letters - Crypto is probably the most true Ponzi Scheme that ever existed.
That Bank and Hedge Funds run after 'easy money' - is nothing new - doesn't prove a thing.
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It's all about fast and easy money. Started as money laundering for criminals - and to avoid taxes - still a driving factor.
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Why do you only talk about Bitcoin ?
There i today 4.241 Crypto Currencies - are they all adding honesty and value to the life of people in this world ?
https://www.investing.com/crypto/currencies
Everyone of the inventors of the new Crypto's hope to 'be the next 'Super Ponzi Sceme' competing with Bitcoin.
It would all be a Complete Joke - if it wasn't for the undermining of honorable organized societies - the ever rising hidden criminality in the Crypto setup is'.
FLY@ Bitcoin in a Ponzi Scheme - simple as that. You might add a very successful one:
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https://marketbusinessnews.com/can-i-sue-ponzi-scheme/245543/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/economist-bitcoin-is-a-pyramid-scheme-204217615.html
Lol - That is' funny - especially final position of legs after the elegant fall :)
sleven@ You could see (after DTC- marketing work by reps etc.) brand Vascepa go Up (new users).
But at the same time brand V in refills is changed 'automatedly' to GV by the System in the many States that demand' generics if possible.
Given the description of GV by posters here (its crap) - you would expect a fight going on 'to keep Brand V' at Doctors and Pharmacies. Is it possible that some Doctors then suggest to try Lovaza instead - that would explain why L goes up ?
dmi@ We just saw that the excellent results of the small trial in Canada did not move SP (still hoping up and down from $5)
Where the Covid trial (with the very promising results so far) really counts - would be in a BO situation.
But as usual no one outside of Amarin management - knows if that is even on the table.
Experts in Bio and BO deals where BP is involved - on the other hand says 'that that is always the case' in potential BO deals. They are almost always executed when the public least expect it - so in the end it is anybody's guess - where a possible BO stands for Amarin :)
CBB@ Couple of links to your point.
The first one with the 'thrown away HD' very famous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/bitcoin-value-james-howells-newport-landfill-hard-drive-campbell-simpson-laszlo-hanyecz-a8091371.html
Same story + 47 million later:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/man-lost-127-million-worth-of-bitcoins-and-city-wont-let-him-look.html
Is BTC Reliable ?
https://www.investopedia.com/news/20-all-btc-lost-unrecoverable-study-shows/
What is the best way forward for Amarin and Vascepa - What to hope for 2021.
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Questions/Options.
1. Marjac and teams Rule 60 filing - chances of success ?
2. Amarin Infringement trial against Hikma - depending on GSK - Teva development ?
3. Europe - China approval - When ?
4. Amarin internal development - CEO - BOD ?
5. Push for FDA (trial) to recall Hikma Anda for their crap GV ?
6. Buy Out by Big Pharma / BP Venture Partner ?
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Which of above points will do anything for SP and shareholders:
1. Restoring the 6 patents - the top - say $20 in some months.
2. Many unknowns. A win will be positive - guess SP up to S8.
3. Probably no reaction - before sales starts.
4. Change in management - some reaction - but again single digit SP.
5. FDA redraw of Hikma Anda - would be noticed on WS - SP +$10.
6. CBB's BO - would depending on 'BP who' - surely rock the boat. Possibly the best hope for AMRN SP to ever get past $20 again - besides success in restoring patents.
Reversing the Nevada case is at best 'a long shot' - where as Buy Out is solely in the hands of Amarin management.
There needs to be 'Possible Buyers' - but with the number of exiting trials in Covid - Nash - Cancer - BP 'has to be interested'.
So my 'non scientific' home analyses leads to: Best chance for SP moving anywhere in 2021 is CBB's Christmas Wish.
Merry Christmas to all you US late' Christmas Celebrators :)
Jasbg
raf@ LOL - that is funny !
As of now it is using Vascepa they are talking about (sleven's search for trials - is on'Vascepa')
Trial record 23 of 33 for: Vascepa
Previous Study | Return to List | Next Study
Prebiotic Effect of Eicosapentaenoic Acid Treatment for Colorectal Cancer Liver Metastases
cbb@ Have seen you recommend vitamin D as essential for health several times in posts the last couple of years :)
Just stumbled over a long very thorough video that explain why vitamin D is so important - also in Covid contexts.
sts@ And just before impact 'your illogic brain': "Should have sold those shares at $26" :)
ralp@ Qualified guess. But why no date at at the info ?
What's happening today - YH guy has the answer :)
anthony 19 minutes ago
Thero must have farted people trying to figure out what that might mean.
Fly@ Thanks - I respect that you in fact believe in what you argue for.
Merry Christmas - and may your forecasts come true :)
Jasbg
Fly@ Before you take your own fantasy story to far - do you have a shred of proof for your claims - or is it all TA fantasy?
raf@ Comforting - LOL :)
Raf@ If on V they will not be seriously sick even if infected :)
Apart from that fully agree with you regarding prison inmates protected before' the elderly. The World is 'out of bounce' right now for sure :)
raf@ That would have made Apple 'ruler of the Universe' by now :)
Put our troubles as Amarin shareholders - somewhat in perspektive.
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What make Amarins state right now so hard to handle - is the fact that the downfall is based on 'cruel freud' - from a generally 'cruel fraudulent thieving company.
On top of that 'their Copy Generic GV product (that is what has pushed/held Amarin down so bad in Markets) - is absolut Garbish - according to experienced Vascepa users.
How can a company like Himka - get away with one endless line of betrayals - and it only hurts Amarin. This is what makes it so hard to handle for even experienced investors.
The fraudulent madness of the downfall of Amarin - after the small company developed on of the most important drugs for mankind ever. It is just not fair.
OT@ About the downfall of a great city. Only T would stand a chance of reversing something like this. USA at places becoming a third world country.
Anyone who will support 'giving this a chance' please tweet Putus - copy of my tweet (+ at some 15 adresses more - Wife - Sons - Fox News people)
@realDonaldTrump
You delivered vaccine. What is missing is the best treatment for people infected by covid both short and long term.
Se link below how to solve this - with already existing drug.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=160398886
Merry Christmas from
http://talksense.dk
marjac@ You (and team) are our best hope - for 'real and honest recovery' of AMRN stock.
I guess BB a some point will repeat the 'opening for contributions' to help on expenses for the Rule 60 filing.
Jasbg
tweets - with Links to this post will be send to Potus and family + a number of Fox News people
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Christmas request to Potus and White House
2020 has been the most troublesome years in newer history for humanity on our planet.
The impressive effort of president Trump and his team, to fight the covid pandemic – have produced vaccines in a timeframe – that no one thought possible – and the VC program is now being rolled out all over USA.
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Our request is about helping the vast number of people that right now is hospitalized with covid or is recovering from late covid related symptoms.
Amarin is a bio company that produce the product: Vascepa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarin_Corporation
The short story of Vascepa – is that after more than a decade of research and one of the biggest trial on the subject ever’ – Amarin succeed in to finally solve the mystery of the ‘proposed benefits’ of fish oil (FO).
For years scientists did not understand why it was not possible to see any effect of taking the over the counter FO. In fact taking these oils often instead made Cardio Vascular (CDV) risk worse for the users.
Amarin solved this mystery once and for all – and did it to an extend that took even the most experienced scientists by surprise. What they did was a process of heavy purifying the EPA part of FO – and a complicated process of inkapsling – avoiding oxidation – and you have the tablets of Vascepa.
The now famous Reduce-IT trial showed unprecedented results for CDV patient – and here lately as expected also for patients that has been infected with covid – wich is what this request is all about.
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What we hope for – is for Potus and WH to push for Vascepa being offered to patients that has already been infected by covid – as a late study from Canada (and one ongoing in Argentina) has shown fantastic results in improving conditions for patients.
Problem is’ - that Amarin by itself does not have the financial power to bring out the message to all of USA. A very unfair loss of patents in 9th Circuit – in marts of 2020 – means that the company needs to regain strength in Europe and rest of World – where patens are respected.
To know more about the seriousness and security of what we are asking for – we will gladly supply all the scientific material that proves that this ‘Vascepa is the drug’ that can help suffering covid patients – with very little side effects.
As with vaccines – there is not time for the ‘normal many year long’ processes of approval – which Postus and WH recognized and acted upon form the very beginning fighting this bad pandemic
What we now hope for is the same courage and resolve for solutions pushing vaccines – rather than be stopped by procedures – for helping those many people that were infected by covid and also deserves the best possible care – and help to recover.
And we ‘as a group’ where many have been taking Vascepa for years’ promise – that there is no better treatment for covid patients ‘long term’ than Vascepa.
All the best and a merry Christmas for all at the WH
Group of Vascepa users and posters at AMRN iHub
NB. Here a link to a podcast from a debate with 3 of the scientists that holds the biggest knowledge on the fantastic results of EPA on the planet. From a few days ago dec. 14 2020.
https://www.webcaster4.com/Player/Index?webcastId=39180&g=0af16d03-c50f-433d-9957-6ca96e75aeea&uid=5500643&sid=
As suggested yesterday - with response from HK and CBB - herunder a raw out lay of a request for help - to the White House for help - to have knowledge of Vascepa brought to the broad public of USA.
Have o Stress Out - This is just a suggestion - HAS NOT BEEN SENT ANY WHERE.
Would like to know what 'native Americans think - and are open for improvements changes :)
Christmas request to Potus and White House
2020 has been the most troublesome years in newer history for humanity on our planet.
The impressive effort of president Trump and his team, to fight the covid pandemic – have produced vaccines in a timeframe – that no one thought possible – and the VC program is now being rolled out all over USA.
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Our request is about helping the vast number of people that right now is hospitalized with covid or is recovering from late covid related symptoms.
Amarin is a bio company that produce the product: Vascepa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarin_Corporation
The short story of Vascepa – is that after more than a decade of research and one of the biggest trial on the subject ever’ – Amarin succeed in to finally solve the mystery of the ‘proposed benefits’ of fish oil (FO).
For years scientists did not understand why it was not possible to see any effect of taking the over the counter FO. In fact taking these oils often instead made Cardio Vascular (CDV) risk worse for the users.
Amarin solved this mystery once and for all – and did it to an extend that took even the most experienced scientists by surprise. What they did was a process of heavy purifying the EPA part of FO – and a complicated process of inkapsling – avoiding oxidation – and you have the tablets of Vascepa.
The now famous Reduce-IT trial showed unprecedented results for CDV patient – and here lately as expected also for patients that has been infected with covid – wich is what this request is all about.
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What we hope for – is for Potus and WH to push for Vascepa being offered to patients that has already been infected by covid – as a late study from Canada (and one ongoing in Argentina) has shown fantastic results in improving conditions for patients.
Problem is’ - that Amarin by itself does not have the financial power to bring out the message to all of USA. A very unfair loss of patents in 9th Circuit – in marts of 2020 – means that the company needs to regain strength in Europe and rest of World – where patens are respected.
To know more about the seriousness and security of what we are asking for – we will gladly supply all the scientific material that proves that this ‘Vascepa is the drug’ that can help suffering covid patients – with very little side effects.
As with vaccines – there is not time for the ‘normal many year long’ processes of approval – which Postus and WH recognized and acted upon form the very beginning fighting this bad pandemic
What we now hope for is the same courage and resolve for solutions pushing vaccines – rather than be stopped by procedures – for helping those many people that were infected by covid and also deserves the best possible care – and help to recover.
And we ‘as a group’ where many have been taking Vascepa for years’ promise – that there is no better treatment for covid patients ‘long term’ than Vascepa.
All the best and a merry Christmas for all at the WH
Group of Vascepa users and posters at AMRN iHub
NB. Here a link to a podcast from a debate with 3 of the scientists that holds the biggest knowledge on the fantastic results of EPA on the planet. From a few days ago dec. 14 2020.
https://www.webcaster4.com/Player/Index?webcastId=39180&g=0af16d03-c50f-433d-9957-6ca96e75aeea&uid=5500643&sid=
marjac@ The plain truth as usual. You have a merry Christmas :)
Jasbg
cbb@ I think it would be taking a bit far - to say 'i have the connection to the WH, but as I said I have send links now and then - to show that there is support also outside USA for the policy - and I have received nice polite answers a couple of times.
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But I will surely take your ideas 8as I have seen you put forward several times) into account.
If we try - to go for this - Im' not the person to make the Case - but HK has already said that he will help - so I'm sure that he would be willing to put your arguments into the document.
I very much personally agrees with your arguments. So if nothing else it could be in a follow up (if we for a moment dream that WH will listen) explaining how iHub community (you) see this important treatment most fast and effectively could be 'going through' the motions - to get FDA approval for also covid treatment long term.
Jasbg
hk@ Thanks a lot. If we go for this - it is of cause a 'Long Shot' - but 'the old saying' - If you don't try' :)
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And my sense is that 'it just might be getting through' - as Vascepa is indeed exactly what is needed - besides vaccines - to end this bad situation longterm.
Thanks again for your support so far. Tru professionalism is what could cary something like this through.
And wouldn't it be a Blast - to have WH 'overtake FDA and CDC' - being the first to tell population the good news :)
Jasbg
At an earlier stage in the months following the big downfall of Amarin after the 9th Circuit loss marts 30 2020 - I had an Idea to try to reach out to Potus and WH - telling the story of Vascepa - and how 'the destroyed patents' undermined Amarins strength to bring ' this vunder Drug to the CDV populations that needs it.
My background for possible hoping being heard is that I happen to be a big supporter of Potus since the start 2015 - and has sent many tweets earlier regarding this' and that'.
http://talksense.dk/
Because of Covid and Election coming up - I gave up on the idea.
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Now we have a New situation.
1. T's is as it looks right now leaving WH in 30 days.
2. As debated here much since the fantastic Covid results from trial in Canada - reported the december 12 (9 days ago) - this information needs to be brought 'to needing' patients all over USA (and big parts of rest of the world ultimately as well).
3. Maybe timing could be successful - 'for getting WH and Potus involved in such a positive cause (saving sick covid patients) given the fact that that there is only days left to 'reach out - on top of vaccines' to people already sick with and needing long term solution to stay healthy.
4. These days 'everything is politics' - Giving Potus a chance to bring something to the fight against long term effects for people who is/or has been suffering fron Covid - would be a great way to close 'this bad chapter for Potus for now. And we at AMRN iHub know' - that Vascepa is 'the real deal' - that truely does wonders for CDV patients - and now also 'as expected' for Covid patients.
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Everything to gain - to try to 'reach out to WH. Possibly hundreds of people sending the same message:
Tell the population of USA - that Vascepa is the 'proven long term solution' for a better health - with very little side effects.
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If anyone thinks this is worth a try - please respond. And 'if so' we need someone with weight and insight - to explain to WH and Potus - why this is Important enough - to 'Inform the entire population of USA' about this great treatment for recovering Covid patients - and to 'people at risk' - effectively diminishing their risk if infected by Covid.
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If there is backup for 'to try this' I would send it also to T Junior - Eric - Melania - the complete Fox News T backups' Greg - Watters - Hannity - Ingraham etc.
Jasbg
NB: If decided to give this a try - the top would be someone like HK - put together - a short and precise document 'explaining 'why Vascepa has the potential to be part of the long term solution beating the covid-19 pandemic'.
gozips@ Take that' - Bee Gees and Michael Jackson :)
I think you should get the song recorded - might make the Bio Charge :)
slev@ As I have stated a number of times' - the little female Nevada Judge - defacto moved + 6 billion dollars in the market - destroying the 6 patens of Amarins (we lost - SP $4 - on a win SP would have minimum bin $20 (diff $ 16 X 400.000000 shares = 6,4 billion dollars)
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Truth is' that main focus on Amarin - and on this board - ever since has been how to 'limit damage of this 'Mad Decision' of the Court.
We have already learnt that Generic plays dirty (not only in fraudly court case) - they play dirty Everywhere.
The lousy product Hikma presents as a copy of Vascepa (which right this moment 'already' steals a lot of money from Amarin and keeps the SP locked in 'nowhere land' - is pure Garbish according to posters that has been taking Vascepa for years.
But no one should expect Himka management to 'lose sleep over that'. The company have more than 590 products in the market.
Given the "quality" of GV - logic tells you that Generic Vascepa - is not the only 'Crap copy product' - Hikma brings to the paying customers - but todays political obsession with 'generics' to bring down cost of drugs in USA - this is not likely to change under new deeply corrupt adm.
rose@ Even the Hikma GV actually hold the same amount of EPA - there is a long line of questions still - for the consumer - who used to get Vascepa on his/hers prescription.
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1. How about the possible 'oxygenation level' (very important factor of the effect and quality of Vascepa. How do you measure that (is it even possible)?
2. Everyone who has reported on Hikma GV - is talking about a heavy smell of fish. And everyone who has tried traditional OTC Fish Oils - knows about the unpleasant burps' that is in fact the reason most people 'Stop taking OTC. From the smell Hikma will be like OTC in this regard.
3. And then there is the capsulation (what does that consist of)- another unanswered question.?
4. On top of this 'the false labeling on durability (Walmart) that has been mentioned here lately.
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Seems to be so many things separating Hikma GV from Vascepa - that it ought to 'peace of cake' to make FDA redraw the ANDA - but beginning to understand' - that is not how things work these days in the USA.
tuca@ Thanks as always.
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Isolated looking at these numbers - Amarin needs to AG in US ASAP - to stop the bleeding.