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Snow, Agreed, Agreed and 50% agreed.
KATX owns BVIG now ..agreed
KS does not own KATX even if he is the biggest shareholder
agreed
but only intil its shares in BVIG are transferred to the KATX shareholders. Then the latter will own Handcamp through their restricted BVIG shares.... 50% agreed
When divvy shares are transfered katx share holders receive aprox 80 mil shares, leaving aprox 80 mil owned by KS
KS does not own Katx but he is the majority share holder and as such, the voting rights holder
Make no mistake who Controls Katx, its KS, that is why the share increase of 186 mil. To give him Control.
One way of looking at it with out over simplification is this,
Property claims may be in the name of various famliy members, yet they are transfered at the last minute to complete the deals made so far. It made no difference to Vale, or the Bvig deal that the claims were not in Katx.s name during negotiations etc.
Same with Handcamp, Whos Claim is still Listed as KATX.
Big point there
I do not disagree with most of your facts, except ownership of BVIG after divvys. 161 mil subtract 80 mil divvys leaves 80 mil
KS . Close to 50/50
Katx and bvig are indeed joined at the hip UNTIL Katx rolls into a OTC BB. That is where the separation takes place.
I understand your concerns, I shared them
Control of Katx
And 50% ownership in bvig after divvys
Make all the difference
This is why I believe Handcamp was up listed first
And Katx later
KS in not trying to screw us out of handcamp
But enhancing it for us
Bottum line is Katx owns bvig though KS who is majority owner of Katx
Till Katx is rolled
Im late and sneaking this in
More debate ttonight
FWIW,, I think we will do many more deals with Vale to feed that smelter
Wrong, Katx still owns Bvig and will until katx is rolled into an otcbb.
That is the Seperation Point....
my worry to, till you do the homework
they have given us the best of both worlds
plus up listed the property for credibility
just in time for drilling
later
The Vale Deal Will Help and Then Drilling Anticipation. Katx has a history of solid consolidation
Drilling is next and Katx has always traded on anticipation before the news.....
We may start ticking up with the confidence of the Vale deal
Then Drilling will kick in once again
Much is just now being understood since the bvig 8k
The smoke is starting to clear
Many will understand the true value here
IMHO
Thanks Alan
Later
Vale Deal Potential of 1 Bil for KATX.
per Ken Stead
KAT owning 20% of the deposit would equal in value of $1 billion for KAT, which any company would be happy to own. Therefore 20% of an economical deposit has tremendous value for a company
The advantage KAT has is , VALE is building a $2.5 billion refinery just to the south of the Lucky properties and need copper for process. If there is a deposit there worth mining they will not sit on it has thats their reason for working with in such an urgent way.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51220992
We are doing Business with Vale
Can Any other pinks Make such an Important Claim
Credibility, Good exposure and maybe 1 Bil
Remember we got a lot of exposure from
Chart and Penny Stock sites
Who buy in early and take their profits
From their readers..
This is going to be a different class of Investors
http://pr-canada.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=212456&Itemid=58
My Point Exactly :) Speaks Volumes !
Vale and Wall Street Frms do not do business with scams, period.
Just because Ihubers don't understand
doesn't mean the broader market doesn't
fear of the unknown, figure it out
don't be scared
Vale is not going to sign an agreement
with any one they don't have confidence in
short and long term
KS explanation of vale deal, thanks Splash
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51220992
Vale investors will now hear of katx
I wonder how many pinks Vale has done business with
yes, katx will still profit from gold,
Katx mamagement did us a huge favor
they up listed the property they are about to drill
enhancing share holder value for drilling results
then we will also recieve shares from each property
rolled into kat gold
the important part is this
katx and kat gold will not become two seperate companies until katx is rolled into a otcbb company, till then we retain ownership of bvig (kat gold) through KS
99% now
50% after divvy
ks gives us enhanced drilling results
and shares in kat gold
katx eventually up lists
retaining vale, clifton, RR etc
and will be aggressively proving up copper
RR is ready for geophysics and drilling
copper is where the biggest money is
best of both worlds, now and in the future
kinda like my parents
they own 2 homes
one in mom's name
one in dad's name
they are in the same family
(unless they divorce, which is what katx rolling into otcbb does)
but katx shareholders will recieve shares in kat gold everytime
a property is rolled (eventual divorce settlement)
we end up with gold and copper
NOW, what I am trying to decipher is the following. IF the BVIG shares are restricted, does this mean holders cannot buy or sell them? Will KATX shares increase on finding GOLD even though they are technically tied to BVIG?
YES and YES
drilling results are now on an up listed property
that katx still owns
ks response to vale agreement, thanks splash
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51220992
Confirmation of Er0cks Speculation
DAVID xxxxx Mr Zwicker. Please check my understanding of the New Business Model for the C...
Jun 11 (2 days ago)
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Mr Zwicker.
Please check my understanding of the New Business Model for the Company
Parent Company is
Katx Gold Holding
........(Bvig) Handcamp and Properties to be announced
........Giving more divvy shares for Each company rolled in
Wholly Owned Subsidiary Company
.........(Katx) Rolled into an otcbb 1 for 1
......... Maintaining the copper properties
For the sake of argument
Parent Company - Bvig and properties
Subsidiary- Katx and properties
Thank you in advance
Sincerely
David xxxxx
You are quite welcome for my earlier comments.
Katx's management and team have very good reputations.
I fully understand that I retain my Katx shares and in addition now have shares of Katx Gold Holdings. The trade I spoke of was my investment in Handcamp Property, poor choice of words and articulation on my part.
Reply Reply to all Forward
Reply |Ken Stead to me, jzwicker
show details Jun 11 (2 days ago)
David
It is my understanding the MR. Zwicker is away for a couple of days.
Your understanding mentioned below is quite correct.
K Stead
From: DAVID xxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:53 AM
To: kstead@katexploration.com
Cc: jzwicker@katexploration.com
Subject: Check my understanding of new business model
- Show quoted text -
Mr Zwicker.
Please check my understanding of the New Business Model for the Company
Parent Company is
Katx Gold Holding
........(Bvig) Handcamp and Properties to be announced
........Giving more divvy shares for Each company rolled in
Wholly Owned Subsidiary Company
.........(Katx) Rolled into an otcbb 1 for 1
......... Maintaining the copper properties
For the sake of argument
Parent Company - Bvig and properties
Subsidiary- Katx and properties
Thank you in advance
Sincerely
David xxxxx
You are quite welcome for my earlier comments.
Katx's management and team have very good reputations.
I fully understand that I retain my Katx shares and in addition now have shares of Katx Gold Holdings. The trade I spoke of was my investment in Handcamp Property, poor choice of words and articulation on my part.
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The Perfect Storm is Indeed Brewing, a Series of PRs, just as we figured
KATX Up Lists Handcamp to OTCBB enhancing the value
...setting up a Parent Company Model
...adding Credibility outside of the pinks
...Drilling Results come out before divvys and dates and
KATX Shareholders get a great Double up
we enjoy Drilling Results and the Spike
and recieve shares of an Otcbb Gold Co.
Drilling Results bring in new Investors (traders) to join the ride
and who want shares to boot
KATX signs an Agreement with Vale
..Pink company signs deal with Vale
..talk about Credibility
Drilling for Handcamp Begins
Drilling Results Released (very soon)
JV with ???? on wholly owned Handcamp (speclation of course)
KATX Gets Aggresive on RR Clifton etc (Drilling)
KATX is Up Listed into OTCBB (bmxd maybe)
creating KAT Copper
KAT Gold Releases Twi-lite summer work numbers
O/S Decreased by 186mil, back to 400+ mil
Twi-Lite and other properties rolled into KAT Gold
more shares, not sure if shell rules will apply
KAT Copper Releases Summer Work Numbers
Next move for us is the beauty of the divvys and Drilling.
To enhance shareholder value, you up list the Property Before Drilling. divvys are not handed out till afterwards attracting both drilling profit and otcbb shares
Its about Drilling now guys
all is going according to plan
Law Firm,
Understanding has been hard (complicated and interesting)
sure we lost a couple of horses and weasles fri
they will be back
Falon is getting it
IMHO
Good Luck to All
New Business Model
Comfirmed By KS
Parent Co
KAT Gold Holdings Corp
,,,(BVIG) Handcamp
...Other properties to be announced
Wholly owned Subsidiary
KAT Copper Holdings
...(KATX) rolled into OTCBB 1 for 1
...Retaining copper properties, Vale, RR, Clifton &
A lot more to this than restricted shares.
Balihi and Bio are reading the Whole Pr. And a few others too..
BVIG.OB was purchased for $305,000 in cash paid in full.
The goal is to later merge (PINKSHEETS: KATX) into an OTCBB entity under KAT Gold Holdings Corporation as a wholly owned subsidiary on a 1 for 1 ratio basis
KAT Exploration has received approval of its drill permit from the Newfoundland Department of Mines and Energy
There are approximately 20 km's of Induced Polarization (IP) that is nearly completed over various sections of the grid to assist in locating drill targets.
KAT Exploration will maintain all its high grade copper properties and is aggressively preparing to take its copper exploration and drilling programs to the next major stages of development
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51060773
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=51057896
Could link everyone of their posts and more
Just like the 8k, Its time to read and Understand
IMHO
Good Luck to All
Thanks Guys, Gotta Work :(
Just what part of Rules and Regulations don't we seem to understand,,,its kinda like No
Now, I can find no rules about speaking of uplistings, there still may be. But the rules seem to apply to IPOs.
So what does that leave us..It begins with an N and its an acronym
Some other things to point out..
Ken Transfered Handcamp claims, poof we got the bvig 8k
Now Lucky South has been transfered.....
We got a new Ny, Ny Law Firm (120 Wall Srteet)
We got a new NY T/A, (still ungagged btw)
BVIG got a new auditor, Bongiovanni and Associates
Offices in D.C., CHINA and N.C.
They Choose to list the N.C. Address
(the N.C. address also lists a company BMX (trades as BMXD)
(that could be ripe for another uplist Merger type deal,
Pure Speculation at this point but,, Interesting)
A Balihi Find BTW
(google this stuff, no time to post links
you will see BigOwl there already)
We have a Top Notch Geoligist doing Geophysics and
Drilling is About to Begin at Handcamp
So, WTF is the problem
Looks like a Serious Company on the Move to ME, JMHO
Want to speculate.....Chew on all of that
Everyone wants A PR,,, Well people also like
Cheese with there wine (more than one way to spell that BTW)
2 Reminders
Quote:
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Believe me, we always know just how anxious our investors are, but many times they forget we are under rules and regulations and just because some things may be found out ahead of time doesn't give us the greenlight to do whatever we'd like to do. We are anxious as well but are forced to wait.
All in time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Dags Conversation with IR
Something to RememberGLTA
Agreed :)
It tells me Katx and Ken want to succeed, and are Very Serious about the future, Just like the Geologist
And that is what I want to see as an Investor
Serious Company
Doing Serious Business
Hmmmm I stand corrected, you did seperate the two, my bad, guess its a reflex with you jim,,,lol
Sure Right Alan..Sheess
James, now there you go, just a little inuendo...
Legit Company
Management has a spot less past, going back 30yrs
Although Ken may have gotten in trouble
In High School...lol
all claims and dd here is verifiable as you well know
looking for scams, the top 15 is full of them
estimates range from 8 to 13 at any given time
Excitement....you Bet
Capablility, always a question
So Far so good
Even if we don't unerstand it All
The law firm will keep Katx straight
then again maybe they are crooks...lol
sheess, you are bored
Not Sure TFN, its a long term thing and the company has been planning it
But they have not been able to discuss it because it involves uplisting
not so sure its cloak and dagger.
Very Good Business for the short and Long term..........
Katx has a lot yet to do
and they do have professional help....
Bottom line, its not our decision
although we can make our own
Bingo Anthem! Katwoman :) Great posting and debate By all..
sometimes it takes many to sort through the unknown
so we can continue with the known
Great board
Great answers and opinions
As the 8k settles out
It will be time to get back to
Drilling
JVs
Vale
Minerals and Properties
Katx is in this for the Long Haul
Not a one trick pony (to coin regulus)
This is the Begining
and the best is yet to come
IMHO
Can't Underestimate Anthem's Post :)
that there should relieve a few fears, if any exsist.
Hello to You Abrahms, Agreed Sir..I to agree that Katx is a Gem
They are following their plan
They Have the Properties and Vision to make it very Big
To me, nothing has changed what so ever
I trust the DD and have learned to verify it
and in 7mo now I have seen every question answered and reverified
over and over again
Sell. nope not me
I am here for the drilling
then the long term thesis of this company only gets better
Not emotional mind you
Cold Blooded Investing
The Management has proven themselves and continues to
The Properties are speaking for themselves
Ask Vale
Cornerstone
and all the companies that seem to follow the Steads Prospecting
Good Luck to You Sir.............
For others, we know this stuff
plenty of claims maps, and verifiable info about Katx
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50594908
Couple of other things to consider reguarding the 8k and Katx..
First, The Credibility Uplisting brings
One of the beauties of the Parent Company Models or Division Of,
is that Katx can keep the liabilities off Katx's balance sheet
while Funding Their Division as Necessary
Any company that cannot show a profit, and cannot foresee one has to include the funding statements in the 8k.
Katx can also use Their Division to help raise money, keeping dilution off of Katx,
Right now, Ken Stead Owns 99% of Bvig, not Katx,
He also Has the Majority Share of Katx
Giving him personal control of Both
Thats good imho,
No one to pull his strings, as some have claimed
With his vast experience and Advise coming from
120 Wall Street for guidance
I think we are in "Very Good" Hands
Mining, Could well be,
my personal opinion is that Bvig (KATX)
Will use JVs with Mining Companies
Keeps the over head and crud to minimum
I could well be wrong about that
it would mean even more profit for all
Ken may well have a trick up his sleeve..
time will tell and I have nothing but Respect for Anti-Basher
A fellow jumper, and great Board Member
( although military jumper,
Trusting your life to the lowest bidder, Just Kidding)
Bvig Is Just Proof Positive to me
that Katx is a company of their Word
All is going as they planned
And that is Just what you want to see in Any company
Here is a Great Coffee Read from Dag
About Spin offs and Increased Investor Value
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50942331
All
IMHO
Good Luck to All
Some may nit pick this 8k
Use the Information in Different Ways
But I say "We Very Good"
No Worries contained in it....
We are Uplisted, Handcamp is Now
Its About Drilling
Minerals
And the Very, Very Promising Future Katx's Properties
And Management bring to the Table
Katx wants to be World Class
They have the Reputation
The Team
And The Properties
Drilling Next
It keeps getting Better
Again..IMHO
Parrots! Damnit LULU..LOL. I knew they could talk, but type too. Thats some talented Birds,,,,,,,,
Hope your not in the big house long, Birdman :)
Relikwie, consider this,,The Company knows that there is going to be an extented time where they cannot say much due to the uplisting rules and regs,
Why not stretch out the news some
look how impatient some have gotten
seems like forward looking thinking to me
Katx has Never been one for posting fluff
As far as Drilling, maybe..
but I would assume conditions and permits control that
what a nice Surprise it woud be though..
IMHO
Balihi, all checked out as you said. 2 offices, one in N.C. and that has the same address as bmx
trades as bmxd
no trades since april
current with all sec filings
all we can do is look for any filings
watch list
You just never know :)
Newbie65, see Jim got ya taken care of
GLTY
sorry about that, grandkids
Hmmm. That would be two Companies if your speculation is correct.
Has all the markings...
Another uplist would be great
And would add greatly to all the speculation
450.00 is a hint
address
Worth watching yes
might be a new auditor
but some one else mentioned
their web was in chinese
put it on the edgar check list eh
time to check out that page too
Timing, grandson just showed
Hmmm Balihi
thanks
gotta love this board
Again, You could well be right, I like the Parent Company model or Division Of....
Think we are good, very good
This will take word from the Company
Got a feeling we are in for A Lot of good PRs
Bio pionted this out last night
So did I, Will not argue with you, to much respect for you btw.
you could very well be right...
there could be a blurred line once a JV is agreed on
Are we now a mining co or an exploration co with a % of profits
going to be carefull here....
Again you could well be right,,,,Bvig may have a new plan
I should not say one way or the other yet
Blue Skies to You
The Dilution will be part of Bvig not Katx...
A pr will be needed to clear up details of either issuing Shares to Shareholders or Keeping those Shares as an asset of Katx
Now that this 8k is out
Katx should be able to clear up the details
as they no longer are under rules and regs about uplistings
(Barring any NDAs)
Bvig details should now be open
and would expect a Pr as early as Monday
Respectfully disagree Anti . Katx's Stated Goals have always been to Prove up and either Sell the property, or Joint Venture with a Mining Company....
The more you prove up a property,
the better the JV deal you can Make
Hence the Drilling of Handcaamp.
We need to be carefull, imho...
Have no reason to doubt the intentions of Katx or The Steads
They have earned the benifit of Any Doubt. again, IMHO
From the 8k
Support for the Non-Dilutive Speculations
Thanks Bio
Remember, companies cannot speak of uplisting during the process
Due to rules and regs
http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/23112009/34/biz-f-business-wire-kat-exploration-report-recent-discoveries-its-lucky-property.html
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50938526
Thanks Dag, Good Points made here...
CREATING VALUE FOR SHAREHOLDERS
Companies that elect to restructure usually have one goal in mind: creating value for shareholders. Empirical evidence in the form both of price-to-earnings (P/E) multiples and total return to shareholders (TRS) — the combined capital appreciation and dividend yield of an equity — demonstrates that, on average, each form of restructuring creates value.
Gains in stock prices flow from four changes. First, there is an increase in coverage by analysts. This seems to support investment bankers’ claims that floating equity in business units not previously exposed to the market makes their operating performance more transparent and raises shareholder returns by revealing hidden value. This transparency, however, comes not from a greater quantity of information provided by the company — it can freely provide more information about business units without restructuring ownership — but from an improvement in the quality of analysts’ coverage.
Second, the restructured subsidiaries attract new investors. Indeed, there is little overlap between people who invested in a parent company and those who invest in its subsidiaries after a restructuring. Third, the restructuring of ownership usually improves a subsidiary’s operating performance through such means as new incentives to management. Finally, restructuring can improve corporate governance and increase strategic flexibility.
Our research on large restructurings of ownership shows that the announcement of tracking-stock deals or spin-offs tends to raise the price of the parent company’s stock by 2 to 3 percent. When we analyzed recent announcements of majority-owned equity carve-outs, however, we found that they had no positive effect on the parent company’s stock.
Looks like a Whole Series of PRs Upcoming
Thats Smart Business Strategy. imo
Uplisting,,, Bvig Details
Drilling.... Bit hits the Ground
Then Drilling Results...
Great Maps and DD here
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50594908
From 8k No Divys, 2010
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50938566
Vale Info
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=46255277
Cornerstone Option Agreement w/ Vale
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50221900&txt2find=Option|Agreement
No matter the property
Other Companies have Followed Katx's Lead
Katx Has Quite The Reputation
And A Verifiable Past
Vale is In Play and has surrounded both Lucky Properties
Clifton
Rusty Ridge
Shaylee
Right There
Vale Has A smelter to Feed
And their Investments in Newfoundland to Justify
2 of the 4 properties are ready to drill
Vale Knows this
Twi-Lite Gold property to be assayed (202 g/t)
Work on Shaylee to begin (REEs the Sleeper Minerals)
Can't Help but think Katx is the Real Deal
And will do what is in the best interest of
The Company
And Share Holders A like
Look for that Uptick Monday...
Investors Invest on the Future
(Yes, traders risk chasing, but the push the Runs....
(Longs Have their risk too
(But we keep the Stock Stable
The Company Is Growing
Good Point Anti....
that is the one given, for now
details will be needed here....
but KS owns 99% of Bvig
With the deal done, he will be free to speak
(except for any and all NDAs)
LOTS to speculate on
JV company a distint possibility
parent company model
keeping bvig and handcamp as an asset for katx
Non-dilutive options for Katx
may not issue shares at all...
Time for the law firm to earn their money
a pr will put Much into Perspective
Speculating on options is healthy
better to be informed and prepared
Great Board, All The Way Around
Thanks Dag, Balihi and All
No reason to doubt Katx's Intentions
Most likely, Things will come together Quite Nicely
Its about Uplisting and Credibility
That was Katx's and Kens Goal
Which is good for Investors
Thanks TFN
GLTA
Thankyou Bio, Your homework is greatly appreciated
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50938566
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=50938526
leans toward Keeping BVIG as an asset
Great Input All.......
Coffee is good
Have absolutely no reason to doubt Katx and the Stead's Integrity
3 big bangs eh........
pipeline is indeed full......
All Ears,,,,,,,,,
161 mil shares is the given for now
more reading and listening
more coffee too
:) well said. GN & GL
But Shares may well not be issued at all to shareholders
If, its aprox 4 to 1
If not, They are an asset to Katx and Katx shareholders
Its all speculation for now,
Bio may be on to something, this could be set up for that eventual JV
Both JV partners merge into one company
works like that an awful lot
Not ready to spin this bad in anyway yet
Katx Has proven itself in far to many ways
the Steads history
and reputation
is far from scam and greed
Agreed Darby, Just got to cut through the crud
By reading.
Bio is leading the way here