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Birds of a feather flock together: PK & AW (in this case a couple of turkeys). That was pretty rude PK telling us no update when financials were posted on pinksheets. I guess even you realized how bad the financials were not to bother telling us they were out?
LOL! Good One. Just another example of how rediculously backwards and antiquated the FDA is. I really liked your SUV example. I also wonder how the FDA would have handled registering the first automobile: FDA: "Ok sir does it have four legs and eat hay?" Answer, Well No, it has a motor instead of legs and uses alchohol or gasoline for fuel instead of hay." FDA: Sorry, We have no such registration code for such a confounding gadget like this. Your going to have to file a DeNovo form and wait 'till hell freezes over before you can get properly registered. Then, come back when we all get a lot smarter -OK?" Or how about a hovercraft? I think the DMV could probably handle devices way more efficiently than the FDA. (I realise the DMV came after the first automibile - just having some fun).
I think the new DeNovo CODE should be called the "IAFT" Code for: "Its About Freaking Time.
All the FDA has to do (with all their PhD's) is to create a BRAND NEW CODE (if they are sooo confused on what to do - and it looks like they are MORE than confused) is to 'either' list the PARAMETERS of both the ILX and IJM codes and see where BIEL product PEMF and heat radiation, etc. falls, OR (if that's too much to ask FDA) then simply list all the ranges of the known parameters of these Biolectronics Corporation PEMF DeNOVO products - and since DeNovo means New Category therefore New Code), list all of BIELs product parameters to CREATE your NEW CODE and Wah Lah - you have your brand spankin' NEW CODE! All IMO of course.
FDA!!! STOP SCREWING AROUND AND DO YOUR JOB FOR ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS !!!!!!! Not just the customers who are padding your pockets.
That's right! DeNovo means "from the beginning," "afresh," "anew!" The FDA seems to want Bioelectronics Corporation to take it from the top and NOTHING HAS CHANGED in the last three years as far as the products are concerned. I guess the FDA expects BIEL to come up with a new code? Maybe the FDA's understanding and definition of DeNovo is not clearly understood by them? I mean maybe they think BEIL will just keep going around and around on their wheel to nowhere wasting everyone's time because They don't even know that since it's NEW and they are NOT able to place the products under a clearly defined code that it is THEY who have to come up with s BRAND NEW CODE? Instead of reapplying over and over to get the same insane results? This is 100% UNACCEPTABLE!!! My advise to the FDA is ASSIGN a CODE or MAKE a NEW CODE, but it is YOUR job to GET THEM a code!!!!! (A code that makes sense and to NOT take FOREVER DOING IT). (My appoligees for the caps).
I think there should - if not already - exist more clearly defined ranges for these codes and if necessary intersect the two codes that BIEL is being bounced between; and if they are unwilling or it is 'impossible' for them to do this - then the FDA should make a new code since it seems to be undefinable in their assignment of a code in their pre-market analysis. Why are BIEL products undefinable to the FDA? Who's job and responsbility is it to define it? Is it the company that wants to sell it in the U.S. the one who's redponsible to assign a code or the freaking FDA? Because either BIEL has not defined their products correctly, the FDA has not defined their codes correctly, a combination of the two, or the FDA then needs a new code altogether to assign to these BIEL products. Until someone at the FDA acknowledges this, we will get nowhere because of their continual indecision and lack of action as we continue to WITNESS.
Post of the day!
The FDA only acts promptly and within a reasonable amount of time (long before a company goes bankrupt or their patents run out) when it suits their corrupt agenda. Our FDA Completely sucks and are obviously run by douchebags in it for their own gain! I'm not talking about the regular workers over there, but the losers leading the FDA that allow things like what has happened to BIEL to continue! Cures are put on hold and stifled while other drugs pass with ease. I can only conclude this after all the research that has been done over the years and no real cures found can only be due because of absolute corruption at places like the AMA, ADA, and FDA. The reason this happens is because they must already have known cures kept in secret, else why would this continue like it has where a University on the verge of a cure suddey gets its funding for that program unplugged. Of course all the smug ideologists would rather believe that the aholes running the FDA show are honest boyscouts/girlscouts, but I don't believe it for one moment! Yes, there's something wrong in Houston alright. [ Is it just coincidence or are all these freaking graphic designers out there making 9 out of 10 logos of corporations with some form of triangle or pyramid and a circle? Just shows the lack of talent the so-called illuminists have. What's so illuminating about a group that is so focused on keeping people in the dark and making sure people stay behind in good technology????]
Just to be clear, i was suggesting that the "leaders" or people of influence like Clinton shoud quit talking about the problems when there are some great solutions available. I wasn't saying for you to quit anything.
Crazy isn't? You would think that people like Clinton would help companies like BIEL, but for some reason - even with the influence of powerful people like Bill Clinton, it doesn't seem to help. I compared it to alternative energy. There's all kinds of negaitive news about the footprnt we all leave yet we still make oil the main priority. Not that oil isn't important, but the leaders shouldn't be talking out of both sides of their mouths. And whoever told Obama to invest in that poor profit, expensive, solar company should be let go for doing so. It's like our so-called leaders drop the ball all the time and do not see many important things through. In other words quit telling us about the problems and start identifying the solutions that already exist like BIEL - and are right in front of our faces!!!!!
Let's all clap for AW. I'll start first loudly, then everyne else can join in. I do agree with other posters that it's time for him to "pass the reigns," "give up the mantle," "give up the power," "have a smoke and a pancake," "either put this thing into gear or step down already." Here is a Chevy Chase clip where Clarke reminds me of how AW may have reacted when he got the denial letter and where Frank Shirley just represents one of the people at the FDA.
Man, you can really dig stuff up kidnova. LoL. Dont know if its helping us any, and I hope that once or twice failed doesn't mean always failed...
Madp, I thought you said you were down 90k? It's a lot of money either way, but I've been hearing 90k from you for a while....
Thanks kid. I agree. I was basing my explanation on AW telling the truth, (but the pizz poor results are still in front of us so far as a result of whatever truely happened).
Yes, Andy supposedly was offered a buyout for the company when price was in the pennies. He refused at that time because the offer was I believe in his words "not obscene enough."
I think what happened after that was a deliberate stone walled reaction from big pharma, and naturally the FDA (who they knew would red tape them to death), also their friends in the medical community, and of course further backlash from their buddies on Wall Street (brokers who put them on No Buy lists) for a time and compounded by useless distributors like Greenwood and just about every other distributor claiming an agressive campaign using very little cash to get the job done or in this case undone. That was continued with paid bashers - and lets not leave out BIEL management spending at least four times more than what they took in - and well here we are a few years later trying to figure out what happened. Boy, I guess they really showed us!!!!?!!! The irony now is how obscene the pps is and how many so-called world wide distributors there are.....and that AW refuses to pass the control to someone else.
I doubt it madp. Very hard to prove. Those previous estimates were based on expectations of FDA approvals coming to pass within a reasonable timeframe. IMO
Imrich, at first I thought it was really funny too, but how does someone retrieve a deleted post like that? And if they are saving them, then why? Unless the deleted post was sent directly to that person's mailbox and it stays there even after being deleted from the board?
And Imrich, if you do call him you may want to leave out the part about him being a douchebag. lol.
I agree with all of your post. . . . .FDA just seems very reluctant to issue a code, which BIEL is between two codes right now and the FDA does seem inconsistant in what they deem as safe. I haven't looked at the codes in detail, but it would seem they need to more clearly define their current codes as they exist, then take the middle of where they "intersect" reguarding heat, frequency, strength of transmission, etc. . . . Then they could possibly begin to define a new code for BIEL and add any concerns for things for people who wear devices having external wiring. For Pete's sake microwaves are still sold and though they are not medical devices they can affect certain people very seriously - according to warnings I have seen around anyway.
Maybe this will help: "We love you FDA Office of Science Integrity!" Now can someone at the FDA forge ahead and correctly classify these BIEL's products once and for all. To me, a denial is a confirmation that the FDA just does not have the capability to handle any furure devices that they haven't been accepting in the last 50 years of this type of relatd technology.
And everyone thought Andy didn't care. . . or know what to do. . . I guess we'll see next year. . .
in 2013. Tic toc. . . future rules? I just realized that I have been in BIEL when Obama first took office and now the future is here and he is on his second term. I've seen Summers come and go. I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen pretty much all my alternative energy penny stocks bite the dust, not to mention a bunch of others dilute themselves into oblivion. But this is one sub penny stock that keeps on hanging in there stringing me along. Let's see what the "future" brings. I would rather have "Now" rule because the future never ever seems to quite get here.
I agree - No more trips. Skype will work much cheaper. And they can ship the product to a distributor if they have to get it out there - I mean what happened to all these so-called aggressive distributor campaigns? Have a local distributor show up at a trade show to display the products!
I cannot bielieve that what the FDA is doing is allowed to continue as it has for so long and that it's even legal; and I dont understand why some sort of legal council has not been used to expedite what they are doing at the FDA. I'm not saying that BIEL has to file a lawsuit but to maybe try another avenue to move things along quicker than they have been moving. It was stated numerous times on this board that PMA's take a long time and much $$, but this is ludicrous!
Well if Romney gets in, if BIEL takes off next year you may have more to put in your pocket because of less capital gains taxes.
Looks like someone is baiting a sell-off before Christmas by driving pps up on such low volume? Either way, volume has been super low lately. IMO
If the company was making plenty of money for advertising, I think AW would know what to do. I used to think the way you did, but the fact is - money makes goals easier to accomplish. Money is the only reason that Greenwood is unable to do anything for BIEL at the moment. Confidence in Bioelectronics Corporation will logarithmically increase as approvals materialize, and therefore potential, sales, success, along with pps. IMO
Quote: Here's my under a penny thoughts for the day. No, not since inflation kicked in. Long ago people would offer "a penny for your thoughts." Later on, people must have realized that their thoughts were worth at least a penny and pretty much forced them upon people for "two cents;" and said things like: "Here's my two cents worth." Now with inflation, thoughts are most likely worth much more than "under a penny", or even two whole cents! So don't give in and sell yourself- or your thoughts rather for less than two cents. (Rumor has it the FDA is trying to regulate the "sale" or exchange of thoughts and/or ideas - just short of blocking them altogether).
I agree, the FDA is preventing this tech from taking off- it should be on shelves right now!
When I said the patches can be placed in the sunglsses for migraines, I meant the PEMF technology.
I've been waiting for about (3) years too. I believe the world is ready to be introduced to this technology. This can really take off because the posibilities are many. For example, people who suffer from migraines can eventually benefit from this PEMF technology, of course using a strong dose like RxRecovery is able to give by placing them on the temples, forehead, and/or back of the head by the upper neck area. (The patches can be placed in sunglasses that wrap around the head. That way you even block light for the migraine sufferer). [My idea made public]. Mark this post.
Like Imrich said PMAs take long time and a ton of money, both which BIEL does not have very much of. ImO
I loved the part in the interview where Andy says that "they gave the Canadian Health (people)
the same data that they gave the FDA....and THE CANADIANS GOT IT!"
How' that for a slap in the face FDA!!! The FDA just doesn't get it on this one; and you FDA gurus spare us how the FDA is acting in our best interest! NOT!
Agree! Got it (PM) I just got tired of the board turning on you earlier. Your a good dude - straight shooter. IMO (I hardly looked at the pps today - too depressing). Good luck with any stock or exchange lately. Non-reporting company. . . for sure. . . LOL
If anyone tries anything, I have copies of disks all over New York City. (Saw that in a movie once).
I am unable to do anything right now; files are about 25 Meg. each.
Sorry, too busy right now.
I have the Levinson Packages letters and Clinical info - just having trouble accessing them on this phone ; Are they the files imrich?
I not only saw a glimpse of the denials of all three products for OTC, but I can see them downliaded on my phone and a couple are Adobe, which I cannot open because of smart ohone and my lack of ability to read them yet due to this being a new phone and all and my lack of knowledge of thus phone and time to do it. I saw the letters to the IG talking about tbings like since the denial and PMAs. Ill admit I didnt look at them very long. I have to look athome computer downloads that I tried later but company may have removed files from internet before I had a chance. I distinctly remember seeing DENIED on three apps. Same day I think that CMK gave last post.
Unbelievable! If you want me to back you up I will; just say the word.
I'm glad you pointed that out because I sensed something was up because some of these comments seem overly optimistic, not to mention fairly new to the board, and have much to say.