It depends, GEHL (the Gehl Company) has historically traded below it's estimated value, because the companies future looks bleak and it's CEO/Board refuse to do what's in the best interest of shareholders (source: The Micro Cap Investor, Richard Imperiale). Some companies trade a multiple of the earnings because of anticipation of growth, but those companies are fully reporting, high-growth sector, and tend to be on bigger boards. In PK land, it's different. Microsoft for as long as I've known it has always traded as a multiple of it's earnings, but it's cornered a market and is so big that it has high expectations. If the 20-40 million was a one-time revenue source than probably not. If investors as a whole believed that the revenue was a sign, first-fruits, of much more revenue to come, then it would probably go up much higher and a multiple of the earnings. I feel like, once we start getting on more international exchanges, our bottom line turns black, and we get PR's about signing deals like the 20-40 million revenue there is rumor of, then it will definitely jump.

every indication that I've received says that it is...It appears the CEO has additionally information (sells of cleaning product) that will go along with the R/S to prop up the price...I've got high expectations for this stock, especially with it sitting so low...

Just running some quick #'s in my head:
If we are seeing additionally revenue of 20-40 Million, then I would suspect that would be over 1-2 year agreement, not quarterly. Now, obviously, if it's quarterly that changes things, but I'm doing a conservative baseline to start doing comparisons with. So that puts us @ 20 million revenue a year, and being conservative with fixed cost and expenditures for a financial firm, that puts profits maybe @ 5 million dollars. 5 million profits, with 5 billion outstanding shares puts a valuation of .001, assuming we are farely price already @ .001 (though I see this as being low) that gives us a value of .002 if there are no other streams of revenue. Sure, there are many different ways to look @ this and this is just a quick one. I may be high, or low, who knows. I'm hesistant to hear 20-40 million and assume it's quarterly - it'll probably be less than that and based on the history of this board, if we find out it's not quarterly, all the sudden people are disappointed and it drops the share price for some unknown and crazy reason. This atleast gives a conservative baseline to begin analyzing when revenue begins to be reported...

any thoughts?

I guess you saw that too... he he he...

what in the world??

I think it said they had been turned into Pinksheets.com. I'm guessing they will come out sometime in the near future if they have been submitted.

Man, that is a great post and I wholehearted agree. Why waste time now when you'll have to audit them again when we reverse merger? Obviously, they aren't scared of their financials or they wouldn't be pursuing the OTCBB's! If you want AF, then wait a few months and jump back in...

today really wasn't a high volume day when you subtract out mirror trades. It was MM's shaking the tree early. I've posted it elsewhere, but 1-2 weeks ago we had about 5 days in a row < or equal to .001 with volume around 700 Million shares total for the 5 days. MM's shook the tree today and people who bought in then thought, "I better lock up some profits before I loose them all" and started selling. Subtract out mirror trades and it was probably 100 million shares today, which is not an enormous day. We've had days over a billion. If I had bought in 1 0r 2 million @ .007 and saw it dropping today and had only been in for a week or two, then I might have sold too?? Today was a correction, a blip in the overall scheme of things. It's happened before and before it's all done, it'll happen again.

I think it's a correction, BJT and I talked last night and per our discussion, we discussed taking some off the table (anticipating it might go up to .0015) since 1-2 weeks ago this thing was trading below .001 with a volume of 700 Million shares scooped up @ those low prices. I think the people that bought in @ .007 got scared with the MM shake-out today and sold. The volume was high today, but if you subtract out all the mirror trades it really wasn't that much.

I talked to BJT several times today and there is plenty of good news in the pipeline that will definitely get this stock to .0020 probably in the next month. I'm doubtful (though still hoping) there is a MOASS (Mother-of-all-short-squeezes)in play here, but whenever revenue #'s come in, it should really drive up the price. We've also got volume coming from outside exchanges, the news on approval to uplist to the OTCBB when that merger goes through, etc. We still have a lot going on for us and @ this point it's not economic to do anything else but stay since BJT, I, and probably you, have lost thousands and thousands of dollars today. We probably need to send BJT flowers or something...

not sure if this has been addressed, because when I step away, all-a-sudden there will 100 messages for me to read through, but 20-40 million in revenue is different than 20-40 million in PROFIT/EARNINGS.

LOL... :)

I hear you - I'm basing mine on PR's and one of the most solid companies I've seen, but everyone else might be looking @ something else, the value of the company just dropped 25% for no reason...oh well. :)

If it doesn't come to pass, then officially, it's not insider information since it was fiction and it doesn't help us anyway. If it is true, which is the only way the information helps anyone, then it is insider information and it is illegal regardless of where your company trades. If you have the information, then it's up to you to do what you want with hit...but don't post it...I don't want to know - my actions are based simply on my own decision making and nothing else.

You don't have to be on the inside to be arrrested and do jailtime for insider information. Martha was a stock holder and she did time. Are you a stockholder?

that's right - I'm a bit distracted today - getting my information a bit miswired...but still, who knows? I don't think it would drive the price down 25%, and long term, it's only going to diminish the float and push the end price up, so the moral of the story...stay long. :)

I think they have to buy back afterhours based on the percentage of shares that trade that day and I don't think that is what is going on...I think the MM's just get together a couple times a day and work in collusion to drive the price down.

That's a great perspecitve CHUD03 - Good post.

(w) - average price trade - what does that mean?

I do think the "shock and awe" comment was overboard - Probably the exaggeration of an IR person and I'm sure not the exact words of Garr Winters, he strikes me as straight forward and not into a lot of fluff. HOWEVER, IMO, most of the PR releases I think are good information and show that they have a plan and are executing it. Sure, If you just shut up and then all the sudden release information the stock jumps for a day and then comes back down. As much as we investors like this kinda stuff, if I'm a CEO, I don't want my stock price jockeyed around. I want a slow steady increase. I want to say to the investors, these are the projects we are working on and here is the proof that they are completed in a timely manner. Garr has done that. The MM manipulation will be there regardless of PR's, which is why Garr is doing everything in his power to get us uplisted off of the PK's. There is more respectablility for investors and banks when we are off the PK's and more requirements for MM accountability.

ya, but every bit of that 1.1 was a mirror fill, so you have to eliminate those from your posts, to see what the real action was...

don't take it personal - I don't know why everyone takes it so personal. I'm sure you violated, (probably accidentally) part of the code of conduct for the site. It's probably not topic related. Figure out what you did, and re-write it leaving out what go you deleted but including the meat of what you said. I've deleted people's posts because they called someone by their first name instead of alias, which had nothing to do with content. I'm sure it's something simple.

I did finally get my .0009 filled - I think the .0008's were just reserved for MM's and probably about half the .0009s were just for MM's as well - if not more.

If you really add it up, not that many went out @ low prices. I think they are still short - we just need to hold steady and let them walk it up again.

it looks like the bleeding might have stopped - which, minus mirror trades, still didn't provide MM's with too many shares. I'm hoping for a quick uptick...Let's see if this holds.

I have a buy order in @ .0009 (freed up some cash), but it's not filling and hasn't filled for 16 minutes...I'll let you know when it fills, but for all practical purposes this stock is trading @ .0010 - I don't think anything if filling anymore @ 0.0009.

No - since they just announced they would be buying back 100's of millions of shares of stock. Man - I wish I had kept the screen prints in L2's - maybe some of you can help me if you have the L2 history. This joker was fine first thing, the MM's started doing more complicated L2's then they have done so far and most people don't have L2's - so they started seeing price droping, which it really wasn't, so the sellers taking profits and it's created a slight MOMO, but in the wrong direction. I have no cash, or I'd be buying, that's for sure...We're playing right into the shorties hands. Oh well - you live and learn.

Talk about a textbook example of MM's causing panic sells through mirror trades. I guess no wonder they do it...if it works...

Sure they took profits from last weeks lows, but obviously the MM's needed the shares for a reason, and probably still do. I'm not selling for .001 that's for sure.

There is not a lot of selling - they are just making the mirror trades more complicated - this is all mirror trades - just add it up!!!:

0.0011 376512 OTO 09:54:30
0.0011 336000 OTO 09:54:30
0.0011 287488 OTO 09:54:30
0.001 1000000 OTO 09:54:30
0.0011 500000 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 200000 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 100000 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 500000 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 2037488 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 2412512 OTO 09:54:03
0.0011 250000 OTO 09:54:03
0.001 6000000 OTO 09:54:03

stop freaking and start looking for transactions in a row that add up - not all of them will have the same transaction time, though most will -

Everyone - let's just settle down. If we start freaking out then the MM's win. "Pre-mature" PR's?? - Let's just stop, take a breath, and hold your shares. There really has not been a lot of selling today. A lot of it is still just Mirror trades, and our total volume is still just 32 million. The MM's are still just doing their stuff. They chased a few holders to sell - but add it up - did you see the 6 million shares mirror trade : which was spread across 8 orders. They are doing everything they can to get you to freak out and sale - which means they need shares badly. Hang in, stop blaming the company, and see what happens.

all the other hits @ .001 were mirror trades...It sure does look like someone sold @ .001 - it makes me wonder if someone had a stoploss in @ .001 or just got scared and the MM's wiggled out a sell. Oh well - that's an interesting sell. Stranger things have happened, but I'm sure glad it wasn't me who sold @ 0.001.

good one - I can't wait until the 23rd - isn't that when new episodes pick up again!

Good day today, board! No a lot of volume, the MM's were pulling all sorts of tricks out of their sleeves. Should be another exciting day tomorrow.

I would always feel better if this information was posted by someone who had been here since 2000 and had 50 people mark him and a lot of information about him in his portfolio. I don't know...when a newbie is getting this information, it makes me wonder, since anyone can dream this stuff up...

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=18831058

wow - who would have known...?? I figured ALRY had definitely taken a big jump and was due a correction...but oh well. As long as I'm gaining money, not losing it, then I'm happy. Ya - you doubled you're money on ALRY didn't you?

EFGO seems like a "no-play" day today. pretty much the MM's have batted the price around, but .0012 seems to be the "REAL" buy price and sell price, and they don't seem to be letting up today. I'm hoping for big things tomorrow...

Ya - I think it's a waiting game - who can out last the other one. They don't seem to be driving it down, but there is no pressure to push it up either. I'm hoping the pressure comes in the package of covering shorts. I guess we'll wait, but what else are we going to do?

ya I didn't want to say anything...but I really didn't think BJT was too impressed with our Alma Mater.

I'm a little bummed about EFGO in the sense, that I don't think they are driving it down so it's just sitting there, but there is no buying pressure to drive it upward. I'm hoping MM's will have to purchase some soon (perhaps there is a large short squeeze) and the price will have to sky-rocket. Pretty much all afternoon it's been Mirror Trades - no activity, nothing, nada. Probably the last couple hours and 40 Million shares have produce about 2-3 million real shares traded, the rest are just mirrors. I'm interested to see how it closes. I think Tomorrow will be really telling.

oh - that's nice - a jump from .0014 to .0012 on a $24 purchase. That's fine - you don't want to play nice, OR share your toys...

Man - they get more clever than that:

Price Size Exch Time
0.0013 482900 OTO 13:22:52
0.0014 500000 OTO 13:22:44
0.0013 17100 OTO 13:17:16

These three trades were right in a row - execution was even at different times.

as far as I can tell, we've one 1 non-mirror trade in the last 45-50 munites and it was a grad total of $42.90. Something has got to happen soon...

excuse me - that's 1 hour and 40 minutes...EST/CST threw me off.

It's been a while since we've seen a sale - probably going to uptick soon...

there's not much action here today, but I think EVSA is a great price and under-valued. I'm working a play over @ EFGO (formerly CHNW) today and tomorrow, but after that, I'm back focused on EVSA.

pretty much - this thing is locked up @ .0012 right now. I just saw that dip down to .0010 and .0011 back there, but that is not real. If I put in a buy or @ .0011, it would not fill. It'll be interesting to see where this thing goes from .0012. I feel like we dried up all the sells @ .0011 on Friday, I suspect it's going to have to climb...just logically, but we'll see after lunch...

Ya - just because 3 are parked @ .002 doesn't mean they'll stay there. When this jump moves up from .0013 - they'll come down, a couple @ .0014, maybe 2 @ .0015.