Why is this relevant? There countless test that fall under the LDT umbrella vs FDA approval we know what is happening the cat is definitely not being hidden in a bag. We do have to wait for completion though.

I guess thanks for posting are you just trying to prove some companies go the LDT route vs the FDA route if not I don't understand the point, is there another one?

PWRM is extremely volatile up 50% down 50%. It's went to .15 down .05 up to .10 down .06 up .09 down .07.

I don't want that for HDVY I'm fine for it to just sit and do nothing until the test is launched. If you need reassurance call the company.

This is not a pump and dump why would you want to treat it as such? When the test is released it will move very hard if you need $$ you can always sell and buy back later on.

Why? This isn't a pump and dump why treat it as such?

No, it's not new it's been in many filings and has been argued to death on Raging Bull. Who do you think is right Barnhill and the CPA's he hires or a investor?

Place your bets I just wonder why you bring this up TSB since this is not new information. It has been a ongoing issue for over 2 years.

A/S is 300 Million can't go higher than that my last count was 287M.

Upset...pshhhhhh...bring on Mayweather Good post again LTD football time today.

I'm not hypothesizing who or how just giving my .02 if the choice is Vermillion or HDVY Quest buys Vermillion.

Much better chance of it being Vermillion IMO.

Quest is not buying HDVY for 171M!!! That's .55/share fully diluted and would be a slap in the face to any longterm investor.

106 Boardmarks highest to date.

You posting on the right board Bobafett? I hope you are right too just wondering.

Sounds like you are playing straight from the Panetta list.

Tryn, while I agree with the potential one step at a time. Quest needs to launch the test first!! Once that happens I expect a $1+ then tons of volatility after.

We all know there are plenty of fish in the fryer at some point it has to be time to eat and only Barnhill can serve up the grub!!

Why not North America?

Let me rephrase a little TSB. I have seen T/A work in big runs and big drops with huge volume. These little trading days with 30k-50k dollars traded are not following any charts I promise you that.

I don't believe in T/A one bit at all except in the most extreme support and resistance points 99% of the time it's meaningless.

Fundamentals trump T/A especially in biotechs.

IMO, it's lack of a test result news and patience. The stock has more traders in it now than ever and with the results being out anytime between now and 2010 some are saying I'm out.

If you watch it in realtime it's close to flat just looking at the buys/sells which goes back to MM's doing what they do best.

Back to why most of us are here the minute the test PR is out this will run harder than ever and break all time highs.

Kill the patents? That's strong language don't you think? That story is still being played out it could cause doubt just the mention of life sciences causes doubt.

Longterm I have no worries at all. Short term I wonder how long it will be until results are in and am afraid more traders might sell helping the MM's play games.

It wouldn't take much for this to drop in the teens again.

LTD, always great to see you here. Like Yoda would say "Wealth of knowledge you do have!!"

There was a large influx of volume that pushed the PPS here. Alot of new money is here now, obviously alot traded in/out too, but overall alot of new investors. The HDVY story is a well told one now, at least on the message boards. There hasn't been this much buzz since inception, HDVY was in the buzzcloud here multiple times as one of the top searched stock symbols in the past 24hrs on IHUB, this board was in the top 50 most read boards on IHUB on a few of the big drop/rise days, and boardmarks are now over 100 for the first time. So what will bring in the new crop of buyers and investors?

IMO, that won't happen without trial/test news verifiable progress and that is not on rock solid timeline. Patience is key we all know what is coming soon.

All IMO have a good weekend.

I love the rah rah as much as the next guy, but trying to predict exactly when the bombshell PR will be released and which bombshell it will be is a guess at best. The filing will have some good information to dissect as it always does We still have to remember this will be dated information too quarter ending.

We all know what is happening shortly to try to say today, next week, the Monday after the 14th, it's got to be the 20th, is all conjecture.

The DD is solid, company real, deals real, affiliates huge, it's just a matter of patience and buying all you can before the fun starts.

Have a good weekend all!!

Great quote in you sig!! There aren't any trials announced by the company unless you are just guessing or have inside information?

End user testimonials don't do anything for me, but may do something for the stock price and sales!! There is no shortage of people claiming the greatness of Noni, Acai, Coffee Berry, Weight gain, Weight loss, Mass builder, Fat stripper, Sexual stimulants, etc etc. As fast as you can read about them there is a new one out!!

People buy them by the truckload, yet when put up against sound medical testing and doctrine very few ever amount to much at all.

Like I've said all along Cobroxin may sell like wild fire, but it gains no real medical clout until the research, trials, and successful studies are complete. Until then it's just another OTC supplement with some fancy marketing that may or may not sell and may or may not work.

Good luck with Cobroxin your post is a slap in the face to every MD, Practicing Biochemist, Chemical engineer, and lab rat, in the field testing real medicine.

You do know that right now you and I could form a corporation and launch a product with minimal cost the same as Nutra Pharma has?

You are hiding behind a text there is no study that says, shows, or proves Cobroxin works. Why is that? Show me the white paper or give me link?

It's homeapathic this sector of "medicine" is not regulated and tested by the FDA to see if it works. There are new products that pop up weekly how could they? All homeopathic products fall under a umbrella and only submit labeling, marketing, contents, docs for approval.


Again, you are argueing theory and I'm saying where is the double blinded study, with a placebo, tested against it's competitiors showing superior end point data? Where is the study showing side effects and risk?

There isn't one every study cited was someone elses study not a direct test of Cobroxin.

Again, good luck!!

NO, it's not FDA approved in the sense you know I'm talking about that is a spin on words and you know it. Cobroxin will never be prescribed or advised to be taken by your Doctor. It's considered Homeopathic like Acai berry juice, DHEA supplements, and all the other stuff that's sold at health food stores.

You will never go to a hospital for a Migraine, sprain, trauma, and the ER Doctor will say "Here go take some Cobroxin!!"

I guess having a wife who is in the medical field OTC claims hit home with me. Being a fitness nut for 1/2 of my life the hype sold in health food stores is mostly that just marketing hype.

The great thing about the American consumer is it doesn't matter! Over 5 Billion a year is wasted on useless supplements every year I'm Cobroxin will find it's niche.

Answer what? I live in the US how in the world can I short a OTC using TD Ameritrade or JP Morgan?

I can't!!!

Pump pump pump must pump undocumented OTC products always work great!!

Yeah will see what happens when the pump is over and where Cobroxin sits in a year.

The only reason I brought it up is because people keep copying and pasting the same thing. Saying they tried NPHC tried, but the FDA said no this is a homeopathic drug.

Which is aka you have no data, studies, or successful trials. I'll mark the post and come back in year and see how it's going.

I've rarely been wrong longterm and know I'm not wrong here either when it comes to cobroxin. Hope the stock makes you alot of money!!

What are you talking about? I didn't talk about peptides "which is just a bond anyway" why don't they seek FDA approval? If the product is really that good and so much better than everything else why not?

The reason is obvious they won't seek FDA approval on any product they sell you know why?

Okay sure no reason why you can't sell it OTC, but start trials if it really does what they say. We all know the problem with doing that.

Finally a good post. Why can't people have a grown up discussion like GreenMan without getting all riled up? Listen how stupid this sounds "NPHC went to the FDA and the FDA said you have a homeopathic drug here" the reason is there are no real clinical studies proving any of their drugs work that's why.

That is what it is you can spin it however you want, but drug companies have to prove their drugs work in studies, trials, with successful end points, and efficacy results. NPHC doesn't have any of this so of course it will be a OTC drug.

Now if it proves harmful, causes rashes, etc etc then it may get pulled becauses again no studies using Cobroxin.


Answer 1 question what makes you more money a drug sold via "OTC market" or a FDA approved drug with studies proving it really does what that label says it does?

The answer is easy!! If Cobroxin was really that awesome the studies would be done and FDA approval would be a no brainer, right? Then how big would the market be obviously 10's of billions!!

Call me doubting Thomas when it comes to wild claims from OTC medications. Doesn't mean the stock won't run or that Americans won't buy it.

This is such a crock of bull it's OTC non FDA tested, no double trial done by a 3rd party, it's a crock, where are the efficacy results placing against other pain killers?

I'll say this again THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T SELL. AMERICANS SPEND OVE 5 BILLION ON OTC CRAP THAT DOESN'T WORK FROM BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS, WEIGHT LOSS, SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION, YOU NAME IT.

Cobroxin does not work better than Tylenol or whiskey let alone freaking Morphine, Lortab, Vicodan, and it relieves Migraines? Give me a break how would a pain reliever help a receptor issue like a Migraine sufferer has? Go tell a Neurologist that and get laughed at.

I'm done you guys are so biased it's unreal.

Thursday, October 22, 2009
Bullsh*t of the Day: Cobroxin Again
In my blog yesterday, I wrote about how Cobroxin is a homeopathic medicine. Most homeopathic medicines have been diluted to the point where there practically is no active ingredient in the product. I assumed this was true regarding Cobroxin.

However, I was wrong. According to the manufacturer, Cobroxin has a 5X dilution according to Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States. This means that there is detectable cobra venom (or venom components) in the product. The product has been diluted 1:100,000.

Cobra venom, at a 1:100,000 dilution, does have biological effects. For example, this dilution has been shown to cause hemolysis (destruction of red blood cells) in dog blood. However, these biological effects happen when the venom is injected, or tested in vitro. This is radically different from applying something topically or orally.

There is evidence that cobra venom has components that may have analgesic effects when injected. Cobroxin's manufacturer provides a list of studies that supposedly showed cobra venom or its components to have pain-relieving effects. However, the majority of the studies they list involved injection of cobra venom or its components. Only 7 out of the listed studies used oral delivery, and only 1 used topical delivery. Of the 7 that used oral delivery, 6 of them did not report the dose used. 1 of them was only presented as an abstract at a conference and was never published in full form in a peer-reviewed journal. There is no reference for another one (Xu et al, 2001). 2 more of them were presented in a Chinese journal (Journal of Snake), and there is no mention of placebo controls or blinding. 3 of these didn't even look at pain.


The fact is, the research presented that supposedly supports the use of Cobroxin is of extremely low quality (even the injection studies). Many of the studies listed don't involve blinding, placebo controls, randomization, or any of the other things that are necessary for an adequate study. Many of the studies presented are of so low quality, they would never be accepted in today's peer-reviewed journals (particularly in American or European journals, which are more stringent than Chinese journals). Also, none of these studies involved Cobroxin itself; they are just studies on cobra venom and its components.


When it comes to pain relief, unblinded studies and studies that lack a placebo control are worthless. It is well established that there is a significant placebo effect in analgesia studies. Just the mere suggestion that a substance might relieve your pain will often actually reduce your pain, even if the substance has absolutely no biological effect. There is evidence that the expectation of pain relief causes the release of dopamine and opioids, which, in turn, have an analgesic effect.


Another reason to be skeptical of Cobroxin is the long list of ailments that cobra venom or its components supposedly treat. In this document, the manufacturer lists the treatment of everything from pain to diabetes to cancer to addiction. Any time an ingredient is presented as a near "cure-all", it should be viewed with skepticism.

The fact is, there are no double-blind, placebo-controlled trials on Cobroxin published in peer-reviewed journals. Until this happens, any claims regarding Cobroxin should be taken with a grain of salt, and Cobroxin remains on the B.S. list.

THE O/S IS 171,772,590 not including Pref. shares

I'm not trusting what anyone else says on the board regarding the O/S except Pennyrat until I verify. The 182M that was posted the other day is the total O/S. Pref. shares were included not just the common.

169,522,590 common O/S on Friday 10/30
171,772,590 common O/S on Monday 11/2 and the stock was slammed

2,250,000 were exercised

I too commend Barnhill for putting out a PR and setting some things straight. As Tryn always says alot of post on the stove with a master chef at the helm. Long and strong here our time is coming.

Alright........I have to add my .02 here this may run I hope it does, but the products are 100% crap. This is nothing more than than typical GNC type mumbo jumbo on everything they market. Use logic and read the following. Better yet go talk to a MD and see what he/she says. Again this isn't a stab at the stock or the run I'm saying 99.9999% of the OTC crap that is peddled is crap. Look at all of the stuff sold at GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, Amazon, Ebay, hyper marketed, mass appeal, crap that doesn't work. Again, that doesn't mean they won't make huge money from people willing to give it a shot though!

Cobroxin is 1 of these things.

http://www.thebsdetective.com/2009/10/bullshit-of-day-cobroxin.html

http://timothysykes.com/blog/2009/10/21/why-this-penny-stock-pump-dump-just-became-a-whole-lot-more-similar-to-spongetech/

I agree with that Bob, I'm sure she is getting a few calls now. Probably hasn't had a call regarding HDVY in 5 years!

That is a trick answer. You can have 1 billion warrants, but until they are registered for sale they mean nothing. On Sept 18th 70Million or so were registered to be exercised at .14 and .19.

I would assume they were too. Just goes to show you how screwed up OTC tracking is TD Ameritrade last sale has them at .20 at the Ask.

As far as the warrants go this isn't the company diluting. These are benefits of being a PP investor from years ago. The exercise prices for the registered warrants are at .14 and .19 for 70M shares total. That means "investors" have to exercise them which is no big deal, but being that the PPS is so close to the exercise price as a investor you could get caught.

What it shows is very little was exercised. It also shows how idiotic it would be to try to exercise any large amount with the PPS in the .20's. If 1.6M hit the stock this hard what would 10M do?

The good thing is the company now has a extra 200K they are sitting on approx.