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Well I'LL skip on your point one as that was not the topic we were discussing..
As far as point two..
You state..
"Yes, the lawsuits are frivolous when they indiscriminately add defendants that have no bearing what-so-ever to the crux of the case that involves lying (contempt), false documents, evidence destruction, concealing of witnesses, and obstruction of justice.."
Interesting statement made by you that suggests that you know the inner workings of the case..The statement implies that you know the full documentation of the discovery that was presented..That you know what discovery the lawyers for the defendant got thrown out before the case was heard..That you know what rulings the judge made during the case that the prosecution presented that went against the defendant..
The defendant stated that it cost 100's of thousands of dollars for her defense..Sounds to me like some pretty good lawyers were needed to get the defendant off..
The fact remains that others got off as well and the defendant mentioned the illegality used to do just that..The other fact remains..that at this point the defendant is still out a ton of cash..Which means in order to get it back there has to be more discovery by both sides and this time things might work out the way it is hoped by the defendant..I guess we shall see on that as I am sure that the company felt it had a good case to begin with and won't roll over and pay out..but you never know..
My point is that it was not friviolous case against any of them..It would seem the defendant being the great researcher that is claimed should have researched the people who where in association with her to begin with..
As far as your third point..
From my post you quoted..
Quote:
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nothing against the law as long as libel doesn't occur
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You replied..
"Not true. Stock manipulation, whether libel occurred or not, is against the law."
You should remember you stated in your previous post that I replied to that..
"Having negative sentiments or opinionated views on a particular topic is still protected under the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights."
I agreed both above and below as you can see but also added the part you left out from above in the whole statement that you neglected to post..
"nothing against the law as long as libel dosen't occur..Then again it depends on if there is collusion involved in those posts to illegally manipulate the stock which I know has happened before and continues to happen.."
So as you can see to make a blanket statement that the case was frivolous is as I said not correct..
and that we do agree that libel and your qoute.."Stock manipulation, whether libel occurred or not, is against the law."
Now if you would like to discuss that NSS and MM manipulation does or doesn't occur in the pennies..I have several articles and examples to show that it does..
To put one response to bed that I have heard over and over again is that no human is involved when trades come in to a MM such as nite for a buy or a sell..My broker from Bank of America has already been in touch with the SEC when he had to call nite and ask why my buy wasn't being shown at the ask after placing it twice over an extended period..Magically..after the call it was placed..There are many instances of that happening and even today it happened again..So the pat answer that computers do it all is null and void...veno
Actually the company is working on current revenue coming in and still has no need to raise the AS...veno
I agree..
"Libel is only libel if there is malice and an intent to cause harm--knowingly and intentionally"..
I know that it happens daily on ihub as I said..
I also agree..
"Having negative sentiments or opinionated views on a particular topic is still protected under the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights."
Nothing wrong with that of course unless it is well orchestrated negative posts to drive the stock down so that shares can picked up cheaply as I said..
That of course also happens daily on Ihub..you are correct..nothing against the law as long as libel dosen't occur..Then again it depends on if there is collusion involved in those posts to illegally manipulate the stock which I know has happened before and continues to happen..
Your term Frivilous lawsuit is not accurate if one defendant lied to the court, fabricated documentation, destroyed evidence, concealed witnesses, and intentionally hid information to get off..while another defendant is still in litigation for libel..
I would say all involved will think twice before attempting to do it again..Friviolous is not a word I would use...veno
Interesting..
You are putting forth a lawsuit victory as a form of proof of what exactly?? It is known that the defendants haven't all been cleared and with one of them claiming this about a co-defendant??
"While it may be true that Barry Minkow has engaged in some bad acts, I did not know about any of them and I did not participate in any of them. I was simply a consultant doing work for a client, and I stand behind the work I did. While Barry may have lied to the court, fabricated documentation, destroyed evidence, concealed witnesses, and intentionally hid information, I was not involved in any of those bad acts and did not know that they were occurring. I never engaged in any misconduct in any litigation, and I was not involved in the concealment or destruction of any evidence."
and he got off??
Libel is still libel..
It is done daily on Ihub and the purpose is to make make money on the downside and then turn it off when the upside is needed..wash..rinse and repeat..The lawsuits are real and libel is libel..it is not protected by 1st admendment rights..
I guess if you can lie to the court, fabricate documentation, destroy evidence, conceal witnesses, and intentionally hide information..all is OK..
Good luck...veno
Thanks as always for the daily numbers..
It is good to know that the new LOWES order is..as was updated..in heavy production..I look forward to seeing them in stores when completed...veno
Thanks again for your updates..
I was also thinking that we should hear more this week..I believe they filed the yearly by the end of March before..I am looking forward to that and the announcement that everything is back on track for the management change.
Thanks again...veno
Thanks as always for your updates..eom
The EXPH long was partially filled
this morning as was documented..Hope that helps..
"Care to explain why the exph long bought such a small amount of stock?"
Most longs have what they need..They are holding with the majority of shares out held by the insiders..private placements and those holding restricted shares..
With the company now working on current cash flow from revenue coming in and no dilution lately..the majority of shares are tied up..If you care to purchase shares at the bid..it wont be that easy...veno
Fourkids..
I agree about all to be known in the shorter term..Once the new CEO is known..all shares will need to be reported..
It looks like we will have to wait to see the new order from LOWES until after the company has finished the work..I look forward to seeing what the new displays look like...veno
/17/2011 11:50:31 AM
"Heavy retail display production is underway at the company’s North Wilkesboro plant. These displays will be used by Lowe’s Companies, Inc. in its retail locations throughout the US. Shareholders are warmly invited to visit and see this work in process. Additionally, once the project is complete shareholders will be able to visit retail locations throughout the country and view displays recently manufactured. Additional updates will be provided."
"This project is unrelated to a NRS project previously announced."
I couldn't agree more..
April I believe was mentioned for getting debt paid down..That was before the router failure..With the new LOWES orders going out..could be that MAY would be more likely for that to happen..I do believe we will get the filing for year end 2010 soon..With the company running on current cash flow and no further AS increases we should see some real positive news sooner that later..Have a good weekend...veno
I am in total agreement..
I will also call it 50-50 between Kendrick and the ex exec female from lowes..At one time I would have bet 100% it would be kendrick that was taking over as the new CEO..As time goes by..coupled with a new contract with LOWES..I do believe the ex exec with LOWES may just have a lot of pull with her previous employer..Either one would be fine with me..Thanks again for the daily numbers and let's hope that next weeks visit gives us more insight into the progress happening at EXPO...veno
It is great to see that LOWES is still ordering from EXPO in big lots. This sounds like a fairly big project and with CIMA getting stronger maybe the need for more shares will stay away..The posting of the financials for 09 shouldn't be too far off and hopefully after that..we will find out who the new CEO is. I am still going with Kendrick..but it wouldn't bother me at all if the retired female Exec from LOWES working at the company takes over the helm. It is time for this company to grow their earnings..It is still tough on every company in this economy right now to make gains..I am betting that the company survives under new leadership through this drawn out down turn and makes much better gains on the upside..
I'll stay invested along with the insiders that hold the bulk of the shares...veno
I agree 100%
"There was a WW legal contract written up to allow distribution of ETC"
Thanks for that...veno
I agree 100%..
"since that's all been said b4 *many times over*
there truly isn't much to *discuss* until mgmt delivers"..
Yet it would seem that the discussion centers daily about the past..Nothing of substance is offered..no proof to any claims of the company not being legitimate..with legitimate deals..nothing..nada..zilch in new DD..just ongoing speculation..
I'll stay invested as we wait for the transparency of what is to come...veno
Really??
"WW never had a legitimate deal?!"
12/02/2009
"The company has entered into an agreement to supply a nationwide retailer with our new proprietary product ETC. It is management's best estimate that by January 10, 2010 this retailer will begin store level training and implementation. It is also management's best estimate that this retailer, along with Expo Holdings, will go public with a formal stand alone press announcement in the very near future.
02/04/10
"plans continue to include an anticipated spin-off dividend and the first retail implementation of ETC. (Easy Transitional Cabinetry) brand cabinets. Both of these tasks have proved to be more complicated than we originally thought. I personally made the error in estimating the time frames, therefore, I alone deserve the blame for the delay. We will not issue an anticipated time frame for completion, nor will we issue anticipated time frames in future"..
2/5/10 Todd's death
2/8/2010 9:44:38 AM
The company continues to prepare for a retail implementation of ETC. (Easy Transitional Cabinetry). Due to circumstances beyond our control it will be delayed for some undetermined period. Discussions continue with one home-center chain regarding our ETC. product.
03/01/2010
"Expo Holding, Inc. (Pink Sheets:EXPH - News),announces that display production has commenced and implementation and training at Window World of Wilmington, NC is on scheduled to be completed by mid to late march, 2010."
03/02/2010 WW cancels deal.
Considering that WW is located next door to EXPO and the fact that WW sponsored two race cars in the same Daytona 500 weekend that EXPO sponsored the two trucks..I would say that a deal was struck between the two companies for WW to carry etc.
That deal was no doubt made between Todd and EXPO and when Todd passed..it was either believed by JD that the deal still existed or that they were now still in discussions with the new CEO..It would seem a time table was set in motion at some point and when JD put out the news that training was to begin at WW..The new CEO nixed the deal the next day for reasons unknown.
When JD was asked why EXPO sponsored the two trucks at Daytona..he said he was approached by a retailer to be a sponsor..IMO..Why would he turn that down if the retailer..WW..told them Menards needed a sponsor?? You wouldn't turn them down if WW was also the company that was agreeing to take etc into their company..
Anyone that posts that there was no legitimate deal between the two companies is way off the mark..as well as anyone saying Todd's passing had nothing to do with the deal..
Because of the loss of WW..etc lost the private funding and the dividend was cancelled..That is when the dilution began..The company now needed the funding to ramp up etc production..get distribution channels opened up and get other retailers on board..
JD believed that etc was to have been in retail before the end of that year..He mis-judged the time it took and all that was needed to get that to happen..
I'll stay invested because the company has stayed alive even after WW went away..Yes..that took a lot of dilution..but EXPO is a legitimate company with legitimate contracts..which by the way seems to be getting closer to break even..I haven't seen an AS increase or RS yet that some here expect..That to me is a very good sign..Hopefully nothing stands in the way of the company continuing on without more shares needed...veno
Actually the sequence you reference is out of order..
First the post that related to the upcoming visit..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60603374
Then before the visit..negative comments..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60827998
Then the post of no comment after the visit..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60831106
Then the post about buying more shares..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60934129
Now one might guess from that sequence of posts that the visit changed the opinion of the poster..However I can't seem to get any confirmation that a visit took place to begin with..so..I wouldn't be too concerned about what was posted one way or the other..GLTY as well...veno
Could it be that the visit changed an opinion??
"Earlier you said that exph mgt are either scam artists or extremely bad at business; now you say you are buying more."
Just because a poster chooses not to post the information from a visit to the company doesn't make that a negative visit..
I remember several posts saying that was the case..Seems easy enough for me to understand...veno
Nope..I will go with this..
"We’ve always said about the WOOD 100 companies,they may not be the biggest, but they are among the best. Though not all increased their profits in 2009, these secondary woodworking firms found numerous ways to improve their businesses through: new marketing initiatives, innovative business strategies, productivity enhancements, technology integrations and customer service."
I will agree that Builder's Choice did increase sales from nearly $3 million to nearly $4 million in just two years..All with no major retail sales involved..
I'll stay invested...veno
Really??
"fill out an entry form......and claim an increase in revenue from one year to the next"
Your specualtive post is off the mark..When a person reads more about the process on the website..it is evident that claiming an increase as you say..isn't always the case..
We’ve always said about the WOOD 100 companies,they may not be the biggest, but they are among the best. Though not all increased their profits in 2009, these secondary woodworking firms found numerous ways to improve their businesses through: new marketing initiatives, innovative business strategies, productivity enhancements, technology integrations and customer service.
Like I said I'll stick with the industry watch dogs and what they have to say..I'll also stay invested with CIMA increasing orders..the new TV spot and a new CEO coming on...veno
No that close to $7 million figure came from the site that put them in the top 40 woodworking companies in the US..I'll trust the industry watchdogs and their figures..
Edit..Lots of companies suffered through the economic turn down..It looks like orders are picking up again and that CIMA..formerly Builder's Choice..is once again moving forward nicely..Thanks for quoting my post correctly...veno
Really??
"Some of the cabinets are absolutely horrendous"
Horrendous to the tune of close to $7 million in sales for just two years of custom installations..
I would say that the homeowners that paid for those cabinets disagree with your post..
The fact that were listed in the top 40 of all the wood working companies in the US also paints an entirely different picture than what you post...veno
Like I said I will stick with what is to come..
The fact that your post projects zero retail sales for CIMA is off the mark to begin with..CIMA cabinets are custom made and individually installed..
The fact that they brought in close to $4 million one year with nothing but custom installations is a huge plus for EXPO..
You might want to read about CIMA and what they do one more time..
"Cima Cabinetry proudly manufactures and designs fine custom cabinetry.Whether you appreciate Old World Heirlooms, French and English Inspirations, American Classics, Italian Classics, Eclectic Expressions or Soft Contemporary Lifestyles, you will find an exceptional door style, along with the right wood and finish that captures your individual tastes. Cima means top quality, the top craftsmen, the top designers, all for you."
About Cima
Cima Cabinetry was founded in 2010 with the expressed purpose of serving clientele who will only settle for the best. Our award winning craftsmen are at the top of their industry. Top of the line is not always the most expensive. We have top quality and craftsmanship lines within Cima that are both cost effective and beautiful. We also have finish masters capable of producing that once in a lifetime piece that will serve you and your family for a hundred years or more. We are customer driven, focussed, family oriented craftsmen. We are Cima.
Now your post says zero for major retail sales for 09,10 and 11
I would say that is correct so far..considering the facts above..However..CIMA could go retail if the company so chooses..I would like to see the projections for 2011 and 2012 for custom CIMA installations considering that is where we are in time and what CIMA does..
With the new CIMA TV adds for the area..
3/8/2011 4:41:38 PM
"Shareholders are invited to visit Cimacabinetry.com and view our new TV commercial. This commercial is scheduled to appear multiple times weekly throughout 2011. This commercial briefly spotlights our award winning cabinets, dedicated team members, and our equipment"..
and this..
"Cima brand cabinetry continues to move forward with significant orders and production ongoing."
coupled with this..
"At this time the company expects to be able to operate from its cash flow and will make every effort to avoid the issuance of additional shares."
I will stay invested...veno
I think I will stay invested based on the fact that CIMA cabinets under Builder's Choice had previously brought in close to $3 million in 05..close to $4 million in 06 and projected a 25% increase on top of that for 07..That they were number 40 out of the top 100 Woodworking companies in the US in 2007. That EXPO has paid down debt and recently said..
"Cima brand cabinetry continues to move forward with significant orders and production ongoing."
"At this time the company expects to be able to operate from its cash flow and will make every effort to avoid the issuance of additional shares."
"There is no reverse split planned or under consideration at this time."
While some here continue to post about the past..I will stick with the present and the future of this company...veno
I agree completely..
"They can perform it any time they want as long as the insiders hold the majority share control."
I find it interesting that not to long ago the debate was that insiders did not hold the majority of shares..
Thanks for the confirmation that the insiders do own the majority of shares..I think I will hold right along with them...veno
Probably because it wasn't a mistake as was previously posted..
The company now can do a a split when they choose to do so..It is also noted that the company said.."There is no reverse split planned or under consideration at this time"..
As was noted before..The filing is in order and nothing needs to be changed..
On a side note..We are now getting close to mid-March and the AS hasn't increased as well since that filing..The company stated that they would do everything they could to stay away from further dilution..That would be a welcome change if they can stick to it this time...veno
How do customers in NC know that CIMA not SIMA as you say exists??
How about the fact that they have been doing business in NC for many years under the Builder's Choice name..That they already have a built in client base with references..That they made close to $3 million in 05..close to $4 million in 06 and projected a 25% increase on top of that for 07..That they were number 40 out of the top 100 Woodworking companies in the US in 2007.
I would say that the people in NC know exactly who they are and changing the name changes nothing..That the good news today of the TV adds will no doubt direct more clients to the new name is just frosting on the cake..
You might want to call some local leaders in the area to find out just how much everyone knows everyone within those small communities..They certainly know who Will Hartley is..considering he was responsible for bringing in the builders show to the area at least one year while at Builders Choice...veno
None..and I sent the same email twice now..eom
Actually..I didn't prove your point..
and you didn't answer to these points..
If you can point to who you believe owns the vast majority of shares out of over three billion shares out..please do so..If the insiders and management already sold their shares as you are claiming..I would like to know who has the bulk of the shares right now..So far there is no proof of PIPE funders as you claim..In fact mangement has gone on record stating they haven't sold any shares..
If you have any links to your claims please provide them??
I'll await any proof you have that the vast majority of shares are not held by insiders of the company..
Now if you are suggesting that the company's shares have been scooped up by one individual..I believe I will still hold on to my shares to see why...veno
3/23/2010 2:03:27 PM
"A shareholder representing over 50,000,000 common shares of the company has tendered an offer for the controlling interest in the company at a 25% premium to market valuation on a specific future date. Accordingly, a maximum cap to the offer has been also placed by the shareholder. This statement is intended to inform shareholders of the offer"
Actually people have said over and over again that they wouldn't sell..In fact it was just said and retracted after I am sure it was verified that they have sold..Someone still wants a link when the link was just provided??
Here is the confirmation link again that the patents sold..Good luck finding out any other information...veno
Cameron Gray, Ph.D, J.D.
Senior Vice President
Silicon Valley / West Coast
P: 650.421.3089
E: cameron.gray@us.icap.com
Yes I do..
"Do you actually think the PPS sank to .0001 with the float supposedly locked up, and the vast majority of shares are still held by insiders?"
If you can point to who you believe owns the vast majority of shares out of over three billion shares out..please do so..If the insiders and management already sold their shares as you are claiming..I would like to know who has the bulk of the shares right now..So far there is no proof of PIPE funders as you claim..In fact mangement has gone on record stating they haven't sold any shares..
If you have any links to your claims please provide them..otherwise..as I stated..I am happy to hold my shares along with those on the inside that hold the majority...veno
That is totally incorrect..People do have a choice to sell..Why hold..if anyone believes the theories thrown about here about how everything will just get worse?? Look at the volume traded..There are many more holding than running for the doors and it is easy to see that the vast majority of shares are held by insiders who actually believe in the company...veno
The patents sold..Trying to twist that fact into fiction serves what purpose?? If anyone cares to confirm that information..I have now confirmed the patent sale again..this time with the Senior VP of the company..He said he is more than willing to correct anyone's thinking who are stating that the patents had not sold...veno
Cameron Gray, Ph.D, J.D.
Senior Vice President
Silicon Valley / West Coast
P: 650.421.3089
E: cameron.gray@us.icap.com
Really??
"The real longs who post on this board have a very different view of this company"
I am a real long and have the same view that Fourkids has..So don't include me in that group..
I also have had a friendly as you say stop by and ask questions..I believe what was reported back to me was 100% correct..I happen to know the friendly personally..It would seem again that the ones that actually visit the company have a completely different take than some here have..
I also find it interesting on the first day of the new rules..all of a sudden the shares show up to cover the trades..Gee and I thought we were told over and over again that shorting was happening daily as normal business when trades didn't settle..Quite perplexing..orders are still being hid from L2..Nah..no manipulation was or is still going on..
I'll keep taking the information from the company and from the friendlies and make my decisions based on what that entails..So far I am a "real long" as you say and I am holding along with the management..insiders and other "real longs"...veno
That was very clear..
"At this time the company expects to be able to operate from its cash flow and will make every effort to avoid the issuance of additional shares."
As I said..it looks like the company is very close to breakeven..I would say that is a very clear indication...veno
It would seem you need a little more clarification on both subjects..I'll take them one at a time..
"What does the spin off of ect have to do with any part of my post 4kids? The post was about the lies told about not raising the A/S multiple times in PR's,"
First:
The fact that etc was not spun-off has everything to do with the raise in AS immediately after it didn't happen..You refer to statements made before the spin-off was to occur..In that spin-off..the company was to seek private funding for the new company..They were to get revenue from manufacturing etc..The spin-off didn't occur and when it didn't..management informed us they would have to raise the AS and the reason..Fourkids has pointed this many times now..Two other items added to the need for more AS increases..One the economy didn't recover this year and the router broke down..effectively delaying and in some instances cancelling existing orders..I can understand the need for the added AS given the above..It is one thing to have many things lined up and say the need for an AS increase is not anticipated or will be needed..Of course if all doesn't fall into place..such as the spin-off of etc doesn't happen..then the picture changes..It was not a lie as you keep saying..
The company has once again said that no new AS is needed..Again that would be based on what they believe will happen..We shall see..The economy is still in the dumps and prices including fuel are not going down..We can only hope that the AS stays where it is..
"At this time the company expects to be able to operate from its cash flow and will make every effort to avoid the issuance of additional shares."
Second:
"and the bullshXX about JD and insiders not selling their newly converted shares to commons"..
The officers of the company have now converted their restricted preferred shares to restricted common shares. To date, the officers have sold no (ZERO) shares, and intend to hold the restricted shares for the foreseeable future.
You may have missed the fact that at no time has the management sold their restricted shares..They converted their restricted preferred shares to restricted common shares..They have said repeatedly that they have not removed any restrictions from those shares or sold any..If they sell them they have to report that to the SEC..You can call and ask on that one..
Hope that helps...veno
Not if the new CEO hasn't stepped up yet..
"If there were a new CEO, wouldn't there be an update on the NV SOS web site?"
The company wanted a stronger balance sheet before that happened..They have said that the person they have selected is a current employee..Why the hurry?? I think it is a great idea to have everything in order before the new CEO is announced..
As far as you saying I need to explain to anyone my posts..LOL..My posts stand as is..The link wasn't cached as you posted..In fact as I said..it only took one phone call to get it changed..One other phone call has now been made as well..It would seem that a few leaders in the community don't like much the accusations that have been made on this board concerning the companies we have posted about and the people they know who run them..After hearing of what is being posted..Anger and outrage at the negative statements made here would be a better discription of what they feel..To each their own on how they continue on that front.
Again..the company will announce the new CEO when they are ready..I am a shareholder and I can wait...veno
I called this number..
Toll Free: 1.866.779.8363 from this link at the bottom..
http://icapoceantomo.com/company
I couldn't get anything from the other numbers I tried before..
I asked if there was any information about the One Voice patent sale..I was told that it sold a few months ago..I asked many other questions..I was told that no other information could be given..
I am sending an email to Dean to see what is going on and why we haven't heard of the sale...veno
I would think that it would qualify as a material event..I have no idea why Dean hasn't prd this information..Last I heard the financiers were in charge of the sale...veno
The question is..where is the news??
If this happened a few months ago..when will we hear about it?? Got to run..
GLTY...veno
Etrade say as of this time that they are allowing OTC trades..That they may not make a market on the bid side for certain penny stocks any longer..I was cut off before I could ask about EXPH..I am in transit and can't follow up..sorry...veno