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Give them a keyboard and an internet connection and even Einstein's theories are not safe.
Zerosum, in this text, not only did they mention TC but TC was heavily cited, and this in a context of TC's being deeply involved in the design and testing process, and in a general tone of positive outcome.
Draw your own conclusion ....
Cecil was out because
the big shareholders did not like the package he granted himself, notwithstanding all the good things he did.
POINT.
A sane reaction from a sane company.
Now the COMPANY is under the steering wheel of a MAN who is on a MISSION, who does not need the money, and who is perfectly accomplishing the PLAN.
Hang on to your shares or you will be accountable to your loved ones.
Condensate ... caught my interest as condensate is less likely to need flow improvement, being very light to begin with vs "highly diluted bitumen" or crude
very interesting. I read your history (posts), no doubt about your conversation. 2015 will be stratospheric.
It says "we will seek to redeploy our AOT Equipment under a new lease or with a new customer." So it could be with either TransCanada, or a new customer. They DID NOT say that the AOT would be returned to STWA in the 10Q now did they
Re Power, it's a design issue ? fine, so it will be corrected or perfected (we don't know which verb applies) as suggested below.
The underlying principle of molecular rearrangement that makes the genius of this application is not at all put in doubt. (by you, I mean)
moorea9 Thursday, 11/20/14 12:07:22 PM
Re: mr_sano post# 14229
Post # of 14687
Sano,
if I remember well from a smileAOTworks post, there is a sweet spot for the electric field : too much will destroy the alignments of molecules chains, and cancel the viscosity reduction.
So how do you know if it is a question of not enough power, rather than a question of reaching the sweet spot which in turn is depending on flow, temperature, type of oil etc.... much more complex than what you say, and which can explain the delay in designing the right power supply.
Impressive,
we must thank PE for this bout of honesty.
A very interesting point of view.
I especially find your point of view regarding other companies never using an untested technology on a working pipeline.
Whether you verify your recording or not, I think its great that you in your own words, based on your insights into this field, and your personal point of view, verified the AOT technology.
Again:
In your recording:
You asked the mystery man "Do you think any major company would place this untested device on a working pipeline?"
You both agreed no one would.
Guess what TC did and KM is getting ready to do so.
So AGAIN, by your words and his words this MUST work!
Thanks for your efforts to help prove the technology
...just a few seconds and whoosh a magic perpetual motion machine
Thanks zerosum
That's also what I suggested below.
moorea9 Tuesday, 11/11/14 10:13:58 PM
Re: None
Post # of 14233
Here is my take :
- the AOT reduces viscosity, confirmed by independent Laboratory
- it could be better, depending on the power supply, which may not be solely about "power" but optimal tweeking of electric field, depending on dynamic parameters
Sano,
if I remember well from a smileAOTworks post, there is a sweet spot for the electric field : too much will destroy the alignments of molecules chains, and cancel the viscosity reduction.
So how do you know if it is a question of not enough power, rather than a question of reaching the sweet spot which in turn is depending on flow, temperature, type of oil etc.... much more complex than what you say, and which can explain the delay in designing the right power supply.
Look by Tao own words he is telling you .10 kV per barrel. What more calculation do you need? Is that number now magically changing? The single power supply which I pointed out Is way overkill for what has been reported to us as the treatment voltage.
Maybe this will tell TC it is time they get vocal about the AOT ...
And STWA would have proudly listed the reduction numbers like they always have if they were remotely good..
"Zinke is now a congressman.. 50k a year is not going to be enough to keep his interest at zero inc..especially with all this bad news. Look for an early departure."
Well that didn't take much time!
Regardless of whether you are a bull or bear, it is almost unbelievable that everytime a small untalented team with no R&D budget can come up with the most revolutionary results, results so far apart from what competitors were able to generate in the past. It should ring all alarm bells for outlandish behaviour.
PumperExposed,
why was your post about "efficacy" removed ? There was nothing offensive in it.You gave the right definition, but then the rest was just plain stupid.Did you ask for it to be removed ?
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moorea9 Wednesday, 11/12/14 08:32:00 PM
Re: moorea9 post# 13884
Post # of 13915
efficacy : ability to produce intended or desired results
intended or desired results : check previous claims prior to testing :
- 15% increase of flow or its dual counterpart : less energy in the pump
- 11 hours effect
10Q : a legal document focusing on accounting and balance sheet, not intended to elaborate on the above, and where you do not mess with words like confirmation of its efficacy if not true
efficacy : ability to produce intended or desired results
intended or desired results : check previous claims prior to testing :
- 15% increase of flow or its dual counterpart : less energy in the pump
- 11 hours effect
10Q : a legal document focusing on accounting and balance sheet, not intended to elaborate on the above, and where you do not mess with words like confirmation of its efficacy if not true
I like those words :
confirmation of its efficacy
Here is my take :
- the AOT reduces viscosity, confirmed by independent Laboratory
- it could be better, depending on the power supply, which may not be solely about "power" but optimal tweeking of electric field, depending on dynamic parameters
- the fate of 1 AOT is irrelevant, what is needed, if needed by TC, is tens of them, although everyone is focused on this unit
- TC is negociating hard, and the drama about the fate of the test unit is part of that
- Greg is not blinking, he sent 4 messages to TC in the 10Q : efficacy of AOT is proven, the question raised by TC are mostly due to "constraints" that can be taken care of, he has other businesses to take care of, he is not afraid to upset shareholders in the short term
- he has always said that midstream is long to market compared to upstream, and he has always said that he was seeking additional funds, this also being part of STWA strategy,
- the shareholders just sent another message : a total of 1 % shares sold in those two "panic" days
............... to be continued .............
Question :
We have provided TransCanada with delivery instructions and will seek to redeploy our AOT Equipment under a new lease or with a new customer. Arrangements have not yet been made and we can offer no assurances that our AOT Equipment, once returned to us by TransCanada, will be redeployed.
Why does the company refer to a homemade video from a forum poster, when I made some official inquiries what the status of the TC contract is? I find it weird that a public company would do that instead of saying that they are bound by a NDA.
because there are NO OTHER pipelines EVER being built around the planet right now.. lol!
I would be very happy with 10$/20$ but there is really no limit if the first order is perceived as a prelude to wide adoption by pipeline operators. Then it is just too mind-blowing to give figures. The hardest part will be to refrain from selling on the way up hahaha....
TC will make a multiple order not long from now, I am convinced of this, and this will send the pps between 3 and 5$. IMHO.
Suppose TC has bought this AOT 4,3 MUSD.
---> STWA happy, share price up, you and I happy, the band of four annihilated.
Then what ?
What is TC going to do with an AOT that brings 15% divided by 50 = a ridiculous 0.3% of flow increase (assuming they need 50 AOT to get 15% flow increase).
TC would have to negotiate another 50 AOT's AFTER they have accepted 4,3 M$ for the 1st one, and have a weakened position. Not very clever...
So TC did the logical thing, they let the first contract expire and they are now negotiating with TC for several tens of AOTs.
But they are not playing hardball. They are civilized and intelligent. Had they wanted to play hardball they would have folded the AOT and sent it back, squeak clean, on October 15th as stated in the contract.
They did not do that. Doesn't it tell you something ?
PS : they let the lease expire, and they even "accelerated" the expiration date. Think about it
Looks like this "bone" is for you to chew .....
mr_sano Member Level Tuesday, 10/28/14 04:15:11 PM
Re: Tpsully post# 13221
Post # of 13254
They are dancing out the door!
Now zero throws out a bone about some joint development deal with a very small company operating out of a collision center in Texas.
Something that striked me is that not only did the notice for KM be issued the same day as TC, but the test period was actually shortened to the same 4 months lengths for TC and KM. Could they have talked together or what ? ....
I too think that Greg is preparing the next big announcement. He has been really mad about the manipulations on the present platform.
moorea9 Saturday, 10/25/14 01:12:30 AM
Re: Cheadley post# 13071
Post # of 13214
This would be consistent with the fact that the management intends to make a big announcement soon. Uplist to Nasdaq requires conditions such as share price stability > 2$ for 2 months. Management does not want to see this uplist jeopardized by further pps manipulation. Hence this step than can be just a step, but could be definitive. There are very good companies on this platform.
I would say DRA. It's too far fetched to think about Rail transport or Alternative energy.
I think 110tons connected to a flagship pipe is not big enough for some to see. Greg should have made it 300 tons ...
Whacky,
I fully agree with your post on the other board. This is just too important to be a
linear
This would be consistent with the fact that the management intends to make a big announcement soon. Uplist to Nasdaq requires conditions such as share price stability > 2$ for 2 months. Management does not want to see this uplist jeopardized by further pps manipulation. Hence this step than can be just a step, but could be definitive. There are very good companies on this platform.
This would be consistent with the fact that the first lease does not allow the additional 4 months needed for a second test. The first lease gave either an additional 2 months before expiration or an 84 months extension.
But, each month of delay for a fully fitted pipeline could cost (opportunity cost) :
500,000 barrels/day x 10% flow increase x 4$/barrel x 30 days =
6 M$/month
This figure dwarfs the small savings they can make here and there.
Why not a solution with a limited order to engage production + a second test...
If the AOT works very well and is commercially viable, then for TC the issue goes far beyond what to do with this AOT or even how to outfit one pipeline. It may not be a buyout, but a kind of joint venture.
And this question must be dealt NOW, and not after another test, because then KM will be in the race IMHO.
The success of our company is based on serving the needs of customers with our scientific, manufacturing partners and top tier customers
moorea9 Friday, 05/30/14 04:16:11 PM
Re: None
Post # of 12362
TC has been involved in the development of the AOT2 with X engineers for Y months. Yet, many people here doubt that this device cannot be installed on another company without some kind of involvement of TC which might be spelled in the NDA (unless you think that each company will have its own version of the AOT). The NDAs might also not be bilateral NDAs but multilateral one, with STWA as the provider and TC as a stakeholder. And also, for all this to be actionned into contracts, all NDAs must wait for the unique pilot results, which will scale the profitability of the device, and then its pricing... Just my opinion.
If Tao was this revolutionary scientist, why would he settle down for a glorious institution like Temple University, which surely ranks higher than MIT, Harvard and numerous other crappy universities
My guess is that there will be a laddered order. First a limited number of AOTs (10 ...) positioned at points for which the past tests allow accurate forecast of results (chokepoints or else...).
During this first phase that can take many months to implement, a second test could take place at other point (colder place) in preparation for second phase.
The effect of AOTs are cumulative, so this would be possible and consistent with 1/known test results 2/production constraints 3/plan for additional testing in cold place such as outlined at SHM.
a little more effort on his part, and he will grasp the notion of Patents .... lol
Well said 321/Z-HERO and thank you for your EPIC expedition to AOT land.
When you read from Sox-No-Yoda "There was no order 10 days ago and there is no order now and there will be no order in 20 days " you understand that those "INVESTORS" are living in the Wrong Timeframe or Parallel universe.
They are now twisting their views towards confronting the reality of Real orders by TC and KM _ which is a new Strategy, that I have noticed since a week ago (they know they have almost lost their previous battle) _ and try to downplay an order from TC/KM.
They are know No more questioning the Technology _ how could they with an AOT attached to TC after 15 October, the end of lease date that stirred so many anxious minds _ but the Market Cap. Isn't that funny !
We should thank them for providing us such guidance about the mindset of the ennemies of the AOT.
We still don't know why they are posting full time including week-ends, and this mystery will soon be a non-question.
I just hope, we, future millionnaires, will not loose touch with each other and meet in the next SHM.
I hope that this post on a Saturday will survive longer than on a week-day...
Bytheway even if the TC and Kinder Morgan are going through as some bulls are expecting, it still doesn't justify the current market cap.