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@ebstst - Thanks for the post. I am in the same boat and I will send an email to customer service. I started out on autoship getting two boxes of the little dispensers each month. I got 10 that way before I switched to buying 12 bottles at a time. Like you I switched to get the wholesale price to save money. In total I've probably bought almost 50 bottles (or boxes of dispensers) in the last 12 months. My wife and I go thru a bottle in a little over 2 weeks, but I have also "gifted" quite a bit of Anatabloc to family and friends.
They have good records on those of us who are purchasing wholesale and there is no reason for us to be slighted while someone who signed up for auto-ship on September 9th gets a "special free gift" for being a "loyal consumer".
Drano - "12 a day dose?"
Actually, 12mg per day is what the lady listed in the patent application took to "cure" her Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. However, the current clinical trial for thyroid disease is using 9mg per day according to clinicaltrials.gov.
shank - "They should offer it at or below cost for a limited time so that people will be willing to try it without such high expectations. As it is, I can imagine that the complaints will be loud and clear saying it isn't worth the current price."
That pricing model rarely works for things other than fast food items, etc. for a few reasons. Two of which are:
1) The perceived value for a "low cost" product. (Particularly if you are targeting a higher end market.)
2) Raising the price is never popular. Even if you tell people up front that you are going to do it, it still creates negative feelings when you do.
There are a couple of things, the company can do and probably will.
1) After a period of time, (to allow for the initial purchase pop at $300) the company will probably offer coupon discounts to select groups. Many of you will remember that this is what happened in fall of 2011 with Anatabloc.
2) Then, after another period of time, the company will probably offer a significantly reduced amount of the product as a "free sample". You will recall that this also happened with the Anatabloc pills.
I think there still needs to be a retail distribution roll out. The question is, with who? Will the cream also be with GNC? That would make it easy for customers to remember where to go. If every new product is going to roll out in a different retail venue, that could be a marketing challenge.
My wife already uses a product that cost >$150 for one ounce. I was thinking (hoping) that the Anatabloc Cream would have a price in the $100 per ounce range to save me money. Too bad, so sad for me because my wife already uses Anatabloc and has been waiting for the Cream. We are not "rich", but I will be spending $300 shortly...
You are obviously very informed and involved in your treatment. Good for you! A question - How many Anatabloc do you take per day? I ask because I had a condition that did not improve until I increased my dosage from 6 to 9 per day.
Glad to help. If you could provide the order # and time it was placed, that would help.
Thanks...
NobodyInvestor - "I have to get some blood work done for a physical in the next 30 days and I thought about requesting to get my CRP measured. I haven't been using Anatabloc (I have family members benefiting from it though) and I thought maybe it would be an easy experiment."
Go for it. It is a simple blood test. You will probably have to request that it be included in your blood panel. Most doctors are not yet including it in their routine testing. I think you want the hs-CRP test. I wish I had thought to do it before I started taking Anatabloc.
Drano - "They're going to use METHOTREXATE as an anti-inflammatory for one arm of the test? Geeze, speaking of toxic poisons -- that stuff has huge side effects. I don't understand why you'd use something like that."
Maybe because they do not know of a safe, non-toxic substance that has been proven to regulate (reduce) inflammation...
Attention Personal Injury Attorneys
If I was a personal injury attorney representing a sick smoker or his/her estate, I believe I would want to depose Dr. Otten and explore why RJR felt it was OK to not lower TSNAs as low as possible... FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS!
"Dr. Otten testified that farmers curing tobacco for RJR did not infringe the Williams patents. Included in his testimony were test results from 200 barns of 57 farmers growing tobacco used by RJR. J.A. 45779, 45868–69. The jury heard Dr. Otten testify that the famers had not substantially prevented anaerobic conditions and Dr. Otten showed them that TSNA levels measured from the farmers' barns were above the levels claimed in the Williams patents. J.A. 46328–29."
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-federal-circuit/1578561.html
This quote from Dr. Faessel is also interesting…
“The ‘court’ in the past months has twice used the Reynolds/Star case as an precedent (American Honda and Therasense Inc.) citing Reynolds bad behavior, i.e. ‘deliberate decision to deceive’ by their attorneys.”
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/576542-dr-john-faessel/204494-why-i-like-star-scientifics-chances-in-its-appeal-of-the-jury-trial
deliberate decision to deceive... Surely not? That's appalling! After all, these are upstanding members of the legal profession who represent big tobacco. Uhhhh... just forget I said that...
Since I am invested in Star because of Anatabloc, I have not been very “diligent” on my DD regarding the litigation. I have therefore been doing a little research and came upon the PR below issued by RJR’s attorneys after the “victory” in the lower court. It is astonishing how many of the items they brag about, were subsequently reversed by the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC). My comments are those in bold/parenthesis and all capital letters.
CHICAGO, July 11 /PRNewswire -- Brinks Hofer Gilson & Lione, one of the largest intellectual property law firms in the U.S., announced a resounding victory in a major patent infringement case brought against its client, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, by Star Scientific, Inc. The defense team was led by Brinks attorneys, Richard A. Kaplan, Ralph J. Gabric, K. Shannon Mrksich and Jerold A. Jacover, all shareholders at the firm. The case involved two patents for a method of substantially preventing the formation of tobacco-specific nitrosamines.
Star had requested damages of more than a billion dollars. Brinks tried the case in Baltimore in a bench trial before the Court that focused on the defense of inequitable conduct that Brinks developed during discovery. (CAFC RULED THAT STAR COMMITTED NO INEQUITABLE CONDUCT)
According to August Borschke, chief patent counsel for R.J. Reynolds, Star improperly attempted to procure patent coverage for old tobacco curing technology and, in the process, concealed that old technology from the Patent Office. (CAFC RULED THAT THIS CONTENTION WAS NOT CORRECT AND DECLARED STAR’S PATENTS VALID.)
On June 26, 2007, U.S. District Court Judge Marvin J. Garbis concluded that R.J. Reynolds won the trial and issued a 47-page written opinion holding that Star's patents were unenforceable for inequitable conduct in the Patent Office. (REVERSED BY CAFC) Judge Garbis also entered final judgment that Star's patents are both unenforceable and invalid. (REVERSED BY CAFC) As a result, after six years of litigation, all of Star's claims against R.J. Reynolds have been dismissed. (REVERSED BY CAFC)
"We applaud the thoughtful decision issued by Judge Garbis. This has been a long, hard-fought case and we are very pleased that our client, R.J. Reynolds, has been vindicated and has been found to have done nothing wrong," said Richard A. Kaplan. "From Day 1, we have said that Star's case was totally without merit. To put this decision in perspective, this is probably one of the largest defense wins in a patent case in history, since Star was seeking more than $1 billion and has now come away with nothing. As the court noted, Star made substantial, material false statements and omissions and deliberately misled the Patent Office. (REVERSED BY CAFC) The patents have now been expunged. (REVERSED BY CAFC) This is a monumental win. (REVERSED BY CAFC) This defense has been a team effort for my firm and I want to thank all the many people that participated in achieving this victory."
The final judgment incorporates earlier January 2007 rulings by Judge Garbis granting summary judgment in favor of R.J. Reynolds. (REVERSED BY CAFC) Judge Garbis deemed Star's patent claims invalid as fatally indefinite, observing that "the essential problem with the claims is that no one - certainly not one of ordinary skill in the art -- reading the patents-in-suit would be able to carry out the invention." (REVERSED BY CAFC)
In response to Star's statement that it will appeal, Ralph J. Gabric commented, "We are very confident that the thorough and well-reasoned decisions of Judge Garbis will be upheld on appeal and I suspect that the Federal Circuit will be as offended by Star's conduct in the Patent Office as Judge Garbis was." (OBVIOUSLY CAFC WAS NOT “OFFENDED” SINCE THEY REVERSED GARBIS DECISION AND DECLARED THE PATENTS VALID.)
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/brinks-hofer-gilson--lione-scores-major-trial-win-defeating-billion-dollar-patent-case-against-rj-reynolds-tobacco-company-52725387.html
Skiguy - "The meeting did occur."
I guess you know the "meeting did occur" the same way you know that Johns Hopkins is participating in Jonnie Williams big Anatabloc "snake oil" scam.
I think you misunderstood his post. He's not the short...
Skiguy - "Dr. Fassel writes a lot of stuff that turns out not to be true in the end."
Should we believe Dr. Faessel or the guy who, despite all the evidence to the contrary, still refers to Anatabloc as "snake oil"?
@Pro-Life - We're praying for you...
The close on July 31st was $3.78. The close on August 15th was $4.38. Even with an extra 1,000,000 shares on the sell side, the price was up 60 cents.
I saw a couple of months ago where there were 3 promising alzheimers drugs in the pipeline. If this is one of those, it is either the 2nd or 3rd one to fail since that came out. Does anyone know the details of this?
Dr. Michael Mullan, M.D., Ph.D., President and CEO of the Roskamp Institute, commented: "We have known for a long time that Alzheimer's disease has a large inflammatory component. We also have observed the anti-inflammatory effects of anatabine (the active ingredient of Anatabloc®) in laboratory tests which is why we anticipate evidence of anti-inflammatory effects in this population."
@skiguy28 - You like to refer to Anatabloc as Jonnie Williams "snake oil". So I guess you can add another conspirator to Jonnie William's current "snake oil" fraud. This woman has apparently gone to a lot of trouble to create this "urbandomesticdiva" persona so she can give her somewhat less than anonymous crohns testimonials for Anatabloc. She joins Johns Hopkins, the Roskamp Institute, Dr. Ladenson, Dr. Wilson, Dr. Mullen, myself, and a host of others who have become active participants in JWs great Anatabloc "con".
And just in case the sarcasm did not come thru very well in print, the above paragraph was written with my tongue firmly in my cheek.
http://www.urbandomesticdiva.com/
Please keep posting your DD. The fact that there are 100s or 1000s of studies that associate NFkB with the pathology of specific diseases should be interesting to the long term investors in STSI.
Once the capabilities of anatabine to address NFkB are well known in the medical research community; how long will it take for the researchers involved in ALL those studies to associate the possibilities presented by anatabine with their previously published work? I think the next few years are going to be very interesting for Star.
The Snopes info is from 2005 and does not address the current threat. Current law allows the FDA to implement regulations for vitamins and supplements introduced after 1994. The FDA recently proposed to implement such new regulations and there was an outcry over the severity of their proposal. And rightly so... Their new requirements were similiar to those for prescription drugs and would have mean't that very few such supplements would ever make it to market. After all who's going to pay for the studies for substances that for the most part, can not be patented.
And since they were going to apply it retroactive to 1994, many substances currently on the market would have to comply with the requirement. This would probably have resulted in many substances being taken off the market. I do not believe that this FDA threat has been defeated at this point. I think the link below is on point.
http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-new-sneak-attack-on-supplements/
@NJ - Over the last three weeks I have done several hours of online research on both pancreatic and prostate cancers. There is a significant amount of research detailing the role of NFkB in those diseases. Several studies for both cancers identified the NFkB pathway as a possible target for future treatment options.
I even looked up email addresses for two of the researchers who were both involved in two of the studies. In the email I pointed out the NFkB connection in the only two peer reviewed studies of anatabine that have been completed to date. I also included a link to the Johns Hopkins study. That was two weeks ago and of course I have not received a response. However, they work at a university based facility and I know from experience that most such faculty are often off campus until sometime in August. We shall see...
@mugs57 - Are you confirming that it was Patrick Cox or was it another newsletter?
shank - "This might be a long shot, but does anatabloc work for hemorrhoids? If so they need a suppository form of anatabine. They could call it 'Analabloc' or 'Roidavoid'."
Actually, there is literature out there discussing the role of the NF-kB pathway in hemroids. It is VERY possible that anatabine will work for hemroids. The pills may work. For some people, the face cream may be more appropriate, (in more ways than one).
Drano -"xylitol has a few calories but is actually beneficial to dental health, since it prevents plaque and cavity-forming bacteria from adhering to teeth."
Great idea! I hope you pass that suggestion on to the folks at Rock Creek.
shank - "Cigarettes taste good?"
That's not what I said...
gd6991 - "Does StarCure method affect the taste in a negative way?"
I can answer that. They have ALL been using the "StarCure" method for over 10 years. Therefore the answer is "No". The person on the other board is just Skiguy or one of his clones spreading more lies and FUD.
@Drano - You are wasting your breath arguing with "skiguy". He is the "silence_twain" on SeekingAlpha who insinuated that Johns Hopkins is participating in a fraud to help JW sell "snake oil". The truth does not matter to him. He will say whatever he thinks will support his short position.
@Drano - They finally posted your response.
My response to Stock Gumshoe...
Since I became a customer, I have become a significant (for me) investor. I started taking Anatabloc because Parick Cox said it helped him with a shoulder issue in a matter of weeks. I was very surprised when it UNEXPECTEDLY stopped a decades long scalp condition in a matter of days. I’m glad it did, because otherwise I would have stopped taking it long before it fixed my shoulder. (It took several months to fix my shoulder.) My shoulder pain had been with me for 4 years and for the last few months I was taking 50% more the recommended 6 pills per day. Whether it was the length of time, the higher dosage, or a combination of the two that finaly did the trick; I don’t know. Also, I always have trouble with allergies every spring. This year, dispite unusally high pollen counts, my allergies were practically non-existent.
Additionally, I have other success stories among my family and friends. I KNOW the product works. I also know it takes more than that to build a company and it appears that the management team is doing the things (patents, promotion, studies, endorsements, etc.) necessary to succeed.
It is my good fortune (health and financial) that I had a scalp condition for over 20 years that responded quickly to Anatabloc, otherwise I would also be a “doubting Thomas.” I wish the stock price currently reflected the value I know is there, but since I have the advantage of knowing Anatabloc works, I’ll continue to wait…
Did he give you a reason for not posting it?
Jeremy - "Essentially, Hashimoto's sufferers do not know they have Hashimoto's until their symptoms get very, very severe. "
Agreed. But that does not mean that they will not begin taking Anatabloc at that point. Remember JW's wife was to the point of scheduling surgery when she started taking Anatabloc.
I guess if your thyroid has been totally destroyed then there might not be a need to take Anatabloc. But then if my body had that much inflammation, I would not wait to find out what part of my body it attacked next.
Jeremy - "most people do not know they have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis until something significant happens - therefore severely reducing the market. "
I'm not sure that this "reduces" the market. As I understand it, unless you can stop the damage, "significant" progressively gets worse. Would these people not want to stop the damage from getting worse?
Drank - "It's a big pain canceling those automatic shipments."
I did not think it was a pain. My wife and I both called for the samples. We received them promptly and I cancelled both auto-ships with one phone call. 800-592-4980
I've told you before, I do not own STSI because of the RJR lawsuit. If something lawsuit related causes the stock price to drop, I will buy more. The lawsuit is small potatoes compared to anatabine. Yes I'm talking about that "snake oil" you say Jonnie Williams and Johns Hopkins are trying to sell.
Wow! You're back. 3 posts in one day and it happens to be the day that the share price takes a 51 cent jump. Worried?
Goodbuddy - "I have Rosacea.. Maybe I could try the new cream early next year and see if it helps me?"
Have you tried the pills?
Thanks for an order near midnight to close out the month! Chipper will be pleased...
"It appears that he would have paid Star $201,500 to exercise those options."
Appearances can sometimes be deceiving. Perhaps I did read this a little too fast. So the options were "issued" in 2008 but just now "granted"? Or is the "2008 Incentive Award Plan," a plan for the annual "issue" of such options to directors?
I sent an email to Talhia asking for clarification.
An SEC filing notice from Star...
A director acquired 50,000 shares by exercising options at $4.03 on July 28th.
It appears that he would have paid Star $201,500 to exercise those options. So there's another expression of confidence by an insider and another $200K for TV ads!
Fred finished in 2nd place at the Senior Open Championship today. He will apparently be paired with Langer for the final round tomorrow. I haven't seen the Anatabloc commercial though...