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ah ha! finally figured it out. your posts are yellow!
My post lacked clarity. Let's just say hypothetically that Verizon is the 5% that isn't locked into an agreement yet. Let's say it's merely agreeing to finances that work for both companies. Once GoIP Global launches the new service, they should be generating more revenue, and I expect that, at some point, they will have a mutual agreement.
I have little doubt that the deal will get done. GoIP Global will up their offer as the revenue increases, and Verizon will lower their demands as they miss out on profits. To me, this will slow the increase in PPS by whatever amount of time it takes to get the deal done. So it might be zero days, a week, a month, etc.
Also, as I said, there is a band-aid solution with 800 numbers that they can use temporarily.
This is only my opinion, and an unpopular one, so maybe I'm just flat out wrong. If so, I would be appreciative of your time in explaining it more. I like to learn from the more experienced here.
I think that even without Verizon now (if that's even the 5% in question), they will eventually agree to a contract. It might take GoIP Global generating more revenue so they can pay more, or Verizon missing out on profits, or both. I believe that the issue is more of how much it delays expected profits. Maybe it's only a week or two weeks or a couple months.
Also, GoIP Global can setup an 800 number to provide the exact same functionality, but without the convenience of a short code. In this situation, it would be a good band-aid option to any roadblocks.
Looking for input on this:
I think there might be some sound logic behind the 10x dilution and the entire buyout offer. I think a majority of the extra shares went to the executives who run Thresher and Talon. This assures that at 0.01 PPS, they are getting a really nice payday.
Also, I think that the buyout offer was in place long before we heard about it for the first time. This allows the buyer a chance to acquire as many shares as possible before paying the 0.01 for the remainder.
This deal also protected the loyal investors with a nice 0.01 PPS price tag.
It is very possible that this deal is structured to be a winning situation for everyone involved.
I would be all for it, but I don't know how. I don't think I'm an equivalent moderator. I'll ask one of the iHub Admins and get right back to you on it. Which posts were you referring to specifically? I haven't been following real close this morning.
I think it's an extremely difficult process to setup back-end infrastructure that integrates with existing systems such as a carrier. You have production systems, development systems, backup systems, redundant systems, routing paths, security, etc. Now take that and multiply it by the number of carriers they are setting up with. Huge undertaking that, as an IT consultant, I know is not an easy feat. And they probably deal with proprietary systems that they aren't allowed to access, so you get this "shadow" communication where you're telling the carrier how to implement your technology. It's a real pain.
I'm probably going to draw some criticism here on this, but I had three main points of interest as far as milestones:
1. Launch in the first quarter, as they targeted.
2. Absolute, without a doubt, 1000% confirmation from GoIP Global, that Verizon is committed to a contract. The fact that it works at the moment doesn't mean much to me. The PR speculates launch will not be with 100%, but 95% percent of the carriers. That's fine so long as that 5% isn't Verizon.
3. Some gauge on adoption and popularity of keywords. I don't expect them to release that info anytime soon, but this is a point I am looking for down the road.
In my opinion, #1 looks missed. #2 is still unknown. #3 looks to be positive.
They use the term certification in regards to the wireless carriers. Anyone know what this means?
theres no fraud going on here. none whatsoever. but i think the issue surrounding dilution and potential of reverse split is worth investigating further.
I called Olde Monmouth Stock Transfer Company, who is supposedly the agent for this stock. They confirmed that the O/S sits at 10.4 billion shares. So the question is how that all factors into a sale with a commitment of 0.01 pps. Reverse split? Shady dealings? Very few shares that the buying company doesn't already own, so they can afford 0.01 for the rest? Hard to say.
No. There's discussion about how many shares are really out there. The financials say a 1.4 billion O/S. The discussion now is it might be as high as 10.4 billion O/S. The short-sell sharks are circling right now though and every bit of it has zero facts surrounding it. Still, I'm waiting As long as price stays down, I just assume wait until I know more.
Or the current owners are re-buying the diluted shares so they can dissolve them and get below the required A/S for the deal.
Seems pretty stable at 0.0103. Not the highest number I'd like to see, but I do like stability in the absence of news.
Lots of incentives for the shorts to drive the price down before any deal goes through.
There's another scenario. It is possible that the dilution is true and there are 10.4 billion shares. However, if the purchasing company owns some incredible amount of them already, i.e. 60%, then even at 0.01, they aren't paying the $90-$104 billion it looks like on the surface.
Oh I gotcha. I am definitely a poor opinion for the pink sheet scenario then. I'm more interested in figuring out exactly where the 10x dilution rumors stem from though. It is an important evaluation point.
I didn't realize you posed that as a question to me.
I don't know of one, I haven't looked at pink sheets for a very long time. If I were to have any examples, it would be grossly uneducated.
I know a little about the value of intellectual property such as patents. You can form an opinion on whether you feel the patent is worth any amount of money or not, that's up to you. But there are many instances of privately held companies who hold a valuable piece of intellectual property and have received huge sums for buyouts.
Again, this is all opinion. If you don't think the patent is worth it, then don't bother. I believe it is.
What did you ask for?
Has anyone actually confirmed a 10x dilution? I see a couple people talk about it, but there's no proof anywhere.
I've seen lesser companies bought for more. You just don't know about them because they weren't publicly traded.
It doesn't take much research to determine that the company is not pump and dump. The history is to extensive and the commitments are to large. A patent, work with Cal Poly, receiving orders, etc. When Yahoo was made a huge offer, they had emergency meetings of the execs to act swiftly on a decision. So the rushing is no surprise.
Ok, what is the significance of April 10? Why are they aiming for that as a goal?
You're right. The massive gains triggered a bunch of short borrows. Now they have to either walk it down slowly or get out now. If it goes up, they are in big trouble.
Good thing they have NITE on their side.
I expect that with the Ambassador stuff kicking off, we just won't see a whole lot until the reps are mostly up to speed.
Yesterday I thought that a PR would be released in conjunction with the first Ambassadors' meeting. I just got my application for the program and understand why there wasn't a PR. There wasn't a lot of information for the Ambassadors yet.
Wait until everyone gets back from lunch and reviews their PRs...
No, not at all. If it is regarding intellectual property like a patent, there's probably a stack of confidentiality agreements on the table.
I've been trying to research this like crazy since I heard about it. Assuming the buyout is true and the deal doesn't fall through, the whole thing appears pretty simple.
-If they purchased every share at 0.01, it comes out to a $14 million purchase.
-If they own stock and are only purchasing the shares they don't have, then it's less.
-If they are a public company, then they will convert to their shares at a value equivalent to the 0.01 of THRR. I went through this situation when Alcatel bought Lucent a few years ago.
Don't take my word as 100% correct, but it is looking pretty cut and dry. The stock was shorted a lot recently and thus there is incentive to hold price down. Plus, no one seems to know exactly how the buyout works. However, if the above is correct, you're looking at a 4x gain within a month.
Which means that if they don't own it, you own it. So it's still worth 0.01 as long as you are the shareholder. If that is the situation, the more they buy, the better it is for them, but it has no impact on us as long as we hold at closing. Is that right?
I've been hanging around watching this stock mostly, not involved much in the conversation. But from a prospective buyer view, this stock is absolutely fascinating.
I haven't crunched any numbers yet, still trying to do my DD. But it appears that if the deals start happening in shorter intervals, the only thing that could stop it would be a giant fallout with NASA or serious mismanagement. Is that right or is NASA out of the picture?
It will turn back to positive. This equilibrium point had to happen at some point. Although I didn't expect it to settle at 0.60, this is the exact point in time I expected it to settle.
Also, I suspect that there will be some meticulous planning to when and how they release PR's to the public in the short-term. There must be some strategy in spacing and types of information to avoid the massive spikes in PPS and calling the attention of the short-sellers. I have no idea what that entails though.
Whoo wee! Look at all the volume! People just couldn't wait for the market to open this morning!
With the buyout ahead, shouldn't it just run hard on its own?
And we're only 8 months in since they recommended it as a long-term investment. Long-term = 1 year or more.
So far it looks like the stock is worth 0.01 at time of buyout regardless of what the PPS is at that point. It's a conversion to the other company's stock price. However, I don't know who the other company actually is.
I'm buying in tomorrow. If it goes near 0.01, I'll be out after that. No need to wait until the buyout for a quick profit.
Seems pretty straightforward then. Thanks for the info.
If I were a new investor, I'd have zero faith in that graph. I'd be way to scared to even go near it. But I'm not a new investor, so I am well aware this is a bump in the road. Not a small bump, but a bump never the less.
It's an unfortunate incident, but graphs blow over as time goes on. At some point, sales numbers will determine the outcome, for better or for worse.
I have to disagree as well. We're talking about a company who also recommended Sirius XM, Spongetech, and Jazz. There is no possible way that these companies paid Skymark to promote the proverbial pump and dump.
Also, we're talking about TSHO, a company who went from 0.135 per share to a stable 0.60 per share. It isn't like this hasn't been a success for those who got in early. Pump and dump stocks do not stabilize at over 400% up from when they were first "pumped."