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Aaron Trainer
Very well said and yes speculate,Hypothesis,theorize but yes do not attack as we all are waiting for this to develop as we may then know the irrefutable truth of the outcome that is...Then we all may look back and we will see just who what and when called the closest to the reality. Then someone will get some bragging rights.
Regards,
B
Table II - Derivative Securities Beneficially Owned ( e.g. , puts, calls, warrants, options, convertible securities)
W3Research
Just read the WMIH NSM WAND MERGER AGREEMENT Its right there
SO VERY TRUE ...That chit would not have a door even opened on the vault door going to the vault door. LMAO
Hold it Physically regards,
B
BBANBOB,
Yes sir WMIH like in the matrix or better yet WMIH HAS LESS AVAILABLE THEN even 9/10/01 The Problem
and the next day ...the solution. So the stories go on as most sheeple plod along the journey. WMIH has been scrubbed period.
Things are not as the appear.
Regards,
B
Lodas,
Your wisdom, Life E, as a well spoken sage.... I agree it definitively falls into To WIT
Best Regards,
B
Your welcome goodietime. As honestly we all have that...just thoughts,theories, speculations, hypothesis, and Due Diligence off of what is available. I will say this " I can attest to the fact that they have and are still cleaning up even the smallest of pieces of Remanence even in the darkest places in the web....scary as one individual said .." this is being done at a high level of sophistication" Cleaning crews are almost done down to the BYTE.
Byte regards,
B
Lodas Nothing is Normal! Nothing is usual! From start to End!
I have been dealing with so many "I cant talk about that", We are not authorized to speak to That, "You need to file and FOIA", "Cannot discuss this matter" and of course the one used the most, We will forward this to legal or connect you now".
As many, I am sure know, the 118 page Purchase and Assumption agreement exists and is heavily redacted as I have a copy as I am sure others do as well.
But I guess my point is this is not your AVG CASE. As I have been trying and trying and will keep trying this is still amazing that after nine years the have a Gag Order in Effect and it is nearly impossible to pierce any cache of info or entities that undoubtedly holds more of the pieces of the puzzle we all seek.
Lately as I, and many others have given our theories, prognostications, or just simply have followed the court documents AVAILABLE, as many are sealed or not of record, we all can rest assured this is a real special case.
From the jump.. The Only reason WMI is in BK because it had no choice....IT was effectively FORCED BY THE FDIC & the O.T.S to file for protection because they cut the arms off of the body of WMI when they wiped out WMB. So what choice did they have! Torturous interference beyond belief, and so many others you cannot count them.
So it is for this reason, among many more I believe a lot of latitudes and freedoms have been given with respect to what normally would have been a very orderly clean up and closure following a majority of BK11 cases.
The reason I have given up on any forecasting is because of what I have seen, heard, and what has occurred to date. What I have been told is whatever you think you know about WMI, what you think you know, think again.
As we have not released the FDIC I get the vibe in dealing with them ....they know just what a colossal F'up they caused by having to save our nations banking system. They had to take the Deposit base and branches to save JPM, and they know they are exposed.....I think they will get it right this year..
Lodas Regards
AS TED NUGENT SAID OOOH baby yeah its a FREE FOR ALL.
I would tend to believe as I have been shown and have witnessed I would give it a 50 50 chance of us headed north as a Train that never backs up. Big sell at open multiple cluster buys 10min before close. Weekend risk for shorts days to cover 3.4 shorts are leaving. anticipatory events are driving the price, if we get no kinks winks or dinks, and good news that follows it will be off to the races.
Will See?
One way or the other WMIH stock without escrow restitution and this event will not make me Change my life. For that to happen I will need the restitution of my escrows then WMIH will give me a full BLOWN HLCE. Either way I see more evidence of value every day I gather poke,call, email,speak and deploy my DISCOVERY PROCESS.
HLCE Regards
B
We have right to recovery and that has been decided and guaranteed.
:)
Regards,
B
Large Thank you... just gonna keep working the IT,phones, contacts and emails, I want us all to see recovery and to be honest I wont quit till the journey comes to what I believe will be a L.C.E. for so very many. This whole wamu saga is of epic proportions in many ways it is staggering. As my skill set includes some savory folks and skill sets I will stay with it till the end as some past expertise of IT skill are starting to help. Thank you for your kind and encouraging words and I will continue to do my little bit as I walk amongst some Sage, life wisdom and Vetrans whom I pail in comparison ,however just about every recipe can use a shaker of salt and pepper to add to the main course.
I.T. salt and pepper little bit regards,
B
Thank you for that clarification....I sure do hope (we) receive Just recovery that were Kneecapped on Sept 25th.
Restitution regards,
B
Thanks AZ so as to be clear I think alot of confusion (for the majority of posters) still lies in the words Canceled,Securities,shares,and escrow WMI-LT and LTI's.
Just trying to establish concretes and verify positions before I add the next part!
Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.
Regards,
B
EXACTLY! So this ought to put to bed the value or lack there of but it closes out the vague and often misinterpretation of value. As yes it is escrow that receives Indemnity but pursuant to Citing the plan your shares where canceled, But indemnity was giving and markers placed so the PARAGRAPHS BECOME A MUTE POINT AS WRITTEN >>>>PERIOD !
Thanks for replying since you already new.
For all then..... why are we all still arguing this point? The evidence of cancel or not is mute because those paragraphs mean nothing as I see it. The paragraphs are always cited but the underlying value is third partied.
Regards,
B
CBA,HOTMEAT BBAN AZ RON LARGE BOARDDORK ETC.. LETTER OF INDEMNITY from reminder FINRNA I THINK THIS MAY ENHANCE THINGS A BIT LOL
What is a 'Letter Of Indemnity'
A letter of indemnity is a letter guaranteeing contractual provisions will be met, otherwise financial reparations will be made. The principle behind a letter of indemnity is the guarantee that losses will not be suffered if certain provisions of a contract are not met. It can also be a letter requesting replacements for lost shares from a company's treasury.
SO WHY IS THIS ? IF THEY ARE DEEMED WORTHLESS THEN WHY MIGHT YOU HAVE FUTURE RIGHTS GIVEN TO HOLDERS?
2. What are the Liquidating Trust Assets?
JUSTICE
SO YOU ARE ARGUING WITH ME ABOUT THE VERY SOURCE YOU ARE CITING! EDGAR IS THE FRIGGIN SEC FURTHER MORE YOU STATE I TRUST THE SEC, well my friend the hard copy FILED PDF REPORTS are the ones THAT ARE OF RECORD!! You get these are the ones that are kept on file ! AS in LEGAL FILING, AS IN permanent!!
Go bark up a different tree regards,
B
JUSTICE I JUST PROVIDED YOU WITH EDGAR & FILED CURRENT REPORTS! DO YOU KNOW WHO EDGAR IS AND WHOM THEY ARE AS AN ENTITY?
Justice I am waiting >>>> Want more?
SO WHAT DID I MISS
JUSTICE ARE YOU SAYING THAT EDGARPRO... IS WRONG PLEASE >>> ALL OF THEM ARE WRONG, AND WHAT IS EDGAR
PLEASE!
LINK
JUSTICE.... WELL LETS GET IT RIGHT UP TO DATE !
WMIH CORP.
Reported by
KKR WAND HOLDINGS CORP
FORM 3 (Initial Statement of Beneficial Ownership)
Filed 02/15/18 for the Period Ending 02/12/18
Address 800 FIFTH AVENUE
SUITE 4100
SEATTLE, WA, 98104
Telephone 206-922-2957
CIK 0000933136
Symbol WMIH
SIC Code 6035 - Savings Institution, Federally Chartered
Industry Banks
Sector Financials
Fiscal Year 12/31
OH here ya Go
insert-text-here
Now that is JUSTICE regards,
B
JUSTICEWILLwin YOU SURE ABOUT THAT HERE>>>>>>
WMIH CORP.
FORM 8-K (Current report filing)
Filed 08/21/17 for the Period Ending 08/21/17
Address 800 FIFTH AVENUE
SUITE 4100
SEATTLE, WA, 98104
Telephone 206-922-2957
CIK 0000933136
Symbol WMIH
SIC Code 6035 - Savings Institution, Federally Chartered
Industry Banks
Sector Financials
Fiscal Year 12/31
http://www.edgar-online.com
© Copyright 2018, EDGAR Online, a division of Donnelley Financial Solutions. All Rights Reserved.
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UNITED
STATES
SECURITIES
AND
EXCHANGE
COMMISSION
WASHINGTON,
D.C.
20549
FORM
8-K
CURRENT
REPORT
PURSUANT
TO
SECTION
13
OR
15(d)
OF
THE
SECURITIES
EXCHANGE
ACT
OF
1934
Date
of
report
(Date
of
earliest
event
reported):
August
21,
2017
2
WMIH
Corp.
(Exact
Name
of
Registrant
as
Specified
in
Its
Charter)
Delaware
Filings
12/31/2017 12/31/2017
Industries
SIC Code Description
6036 Savings institutions, not federally chartered
6311 Life insurance
Officers and Directors
Title
Name
Age Title
Date Start
Date
Chief Executive Officer, Director William C.Gallagher 5/15/2015 5/12/2015
Interim Chief Financial Officer, Interim Chief Accounting Officer Timothy F.Jaeger 56 6/25/2012 5/28/2012
Chief Operating Officer, Director Thomas L.Fairfield 55 5/15/2015 5/12/2015
6 additional Officers and Directors records available in full report.
Subsidiaries
Business Name Address City State/Province Country
Great Western Fin. Corp. 9200 Oakdale Avenue Chatsworth CA United States
Commercial Capital Bancorp, Inc. 8105 Irvine Center Drive Irvine CA United States
H.F. Ahmanson & Company 4900 Rivergrade Road Irwindale CA United States
5 additional Subsidiary records available in full report.
Business Names
Business Name
ENTITY DOMICILE
Wand Merger Corporation Delaware
WM Mortgage Reinsurance Company, Inc.Hawaii
WMIH
WMIH Corp.Delaware
General Information
Number of Employees: 4 (As of 12/31/2017)
Outstanding Shares: 206,714,132 (As of 2/28/2018)
SIC Code 6035 - Savings Institution, Federally Chartered
AS I STATED AND MANY SAID WE GAVE IT UP! WELL JUST ANOTHER confirmation that yes WMI was grandfathered and they where not going to give that up, now were they. Hate to say, but yes a little vindication.
Regards,
B
diamondguru-one That is a possibility. It kills a lot of birds with one stone. What is the easiest way to pay for all those pools of mortgages that need to be serviced and whom need are those who are the rightful owners of all those pools and assets.... >>>>WMI escrow...
Are some trusts returning Cash, as they are cash; and must be returned that way to the rightful owners?
Are we to see some type of hybrid payout? Myself I lean hard towards a great counsels words; You will see your value for WMI holders thru the NEWCO... I was believe I was so honestly told !
Honestly regards
B
Jb
having issues conveying information here for a multiple of reasons NOT RELATED TO OUR AWESOME Board Monitors...Ghosts in the machine_____
Stop it your killing me...we all need the big breath of fresh air you brought in ,not to mention your awesome abilities and bionic hearing!
Thank you.. glad you returned!
Ilene regards
B
Good to have you back. Sure is nice having a classy lady back in the House
Regards,
B Comm1
AzCowboy,
Thank you As I agree the with DTC. I am not sure about the others as in my understanding it has to come thru and get married up and divided by the Digital clearing House that was set up under Kuotros and then it can be distributed. But that is what I wanted to know as it confirms in part what I understand to be the mechanism .
Thank you regards,
B
HE is done as it was all settled and is in process.... The holding co is ours or at least that is what is shown ...Now the assets just have to be put back in place.
Regards,
B
Az I saw that however How doe the money arrive? Thru the DTC, LT, a check in the mail or a deposit in lieu of escrows taking out of my brokerage account. What I am trying to figure out is the mechanism of transferring the money. I can read til I am blind yet I still have not found where it states a mechanism. Thanks for your reply.
2nd time regards with clarification.
B
ANYONE WANT TO TAKE A SHOT at one I asked AZ earlier?
With regard to released ,markers.
K's receive direct payment from trusts ?
P's receive direct payment from trust?
Uq's where does the money come from ?
Anyone ?
Anyone regards,
B
BBANBOB,
I would tend to agree the only real deal is what goes down!...That's what I own! I like it!
That's it and that's all folks nothing more nothing less.
I like as most every one else has theories but all that matters Crap until the bullet hits the bone.
I think some are close and others aren't even in the ball park...hell I could be on another planet.LMAO , but D.D. Research, Calling writing, emailing, speculation and hypothesis are a means of working the problem until solved.
I for one will continue to do so as I am willing until paid or am told the SHOWS OVER and by the way You Truly Got Pucked B.....
Oh boy is this crap a ball....oh oh..oh..oh Try everything.
When it goes down for real that's what we own Regards,
B
Az as I am having "lost in translation moment" To be clear could you simply clarify the following.
With regard to released ,markers.
K's receive direct payment from trusts ?
P's receive direct payment from trust?
Uq's where does the money come from ?
I am having a hard time following you lately. I am sure its my ignorance ,however I am trying to clarify what I think you are contending or stating.
Thank you
B
Everyone Please Read Hotmeat'S post 511543 ! HOT MEAT That post is so on the mechanism that I tried to give you a PLUS 1 for that post ,however it said the system was under maintenance. I must say that was the best, most concise, layman's explanation and honest post I have seen to date explaining 'The Process" from that is to say a 30,000 foot perspective, with regards to assets if any that will be returned Via .....the IMHO the only path available!
It has to come thru the LT ...HAS TOO! Great Post, Great Explanation, Great Summary.
Goodietime,
As it is a theory I am sure its just that. However lets say there is 'In theory 98 Billion of total value. Some is still not maturing to say 2028, Some in three years, some in one, Some of the assets are tied up in courts and others are not performing as expected ...more or less THE GOOD ,THE BAD, and THE Fugly!
Now if you are offered a cash and stock of the new co say 50 cents on the dollar for q's , because Ps and k's have to have face first right? You can accept the offer or wait. Lets say escrow P face plus some interest, K's Face plus interest, and com 4 .00 today or 12 in 5 years what would you do. Off course I am just using an analogy without crunching numbers ,however I say the majority would pack up and go home...And the Hogs would get killed 5 years later. I truly cannot imagine where common se much beyond 8-12 range if the are lucky me included and I would think at this point the majority would go home between 5-8 per Q.
Regards,
B
The more I think about all this and speak to some of the Forces that be I would not be suprised if WMIH is in regular communication with the FDIC and possibly gaining some favor or "gaming of the system cover " to help the Pukes cover their Major F-up ! What the Fdic-R did in the seizure was create one of the biggest messes the U.S. mortgage System has ever seen.
It is my contention that the Billions of Dollars of RMB'S as well as many other financial vehicles will be found to be, Yes property of WMI,
The way the Escrows will receive payment as WMIH will buy the whole friggin bunch of these trust, securities, and assets (the ones that are truly are WMI's, they (wmih/NSC) will by these for dimes on the dollar from the true owners of these assets....Escrows.
If you think about what Nations Star does with all it's employees currently is service and buy mortgages. It also buys mortgage pools that are distressed sort them out and process and service them.
SO if you think about the current situation with JPMC the FDIC then it is certainly plausible that the FDIC is up to its AZZ in problems associated with the seizure of WMB and all the mortgage trusts, Rmbs, etc.
So Jpmc is telling them...the (fdic ) F/u you, sold us the bank and just because you f/up does not mean we are not going to keep foreclosing and taking that which was transferred as we see it.
The Fdic-r is having massive problems with all unwinding issues then think about whom you would want to handle the Rights of title of a Wamu Loan ...Think hard ...Ahh I thought you would arrive there!
So they give back to WMI what was rightfully theirs, get this crap out of their hair, Make the newco WMIH the rightful owner after buying out the debit owed to WMI via Escrow shares. WMIH/NSC and now get billions upon billions of mortgages with legal RIGHT to TITLE as the old co WMI has been effectively paid. The new Co WMIH,NSC get Billions and Billions of mortgages and some associated assets for 30 40 cents on the dollar and the legal Morass for everyone one has been involved with goes poof!
As we all know there is some major title issues with the loans JPMC has being saying are theirs ,however are not. Look at all the recent litigation.
I see this as extremely PLAUSIBLE.
Regards,
B
I working on it Hotmeat...They got me in time out...for bad behavior ,but the bell is about ready to ring and the next teacher over there likes me, and likes a lot...I am working it.. Anything specific you want to pose to the teacher...?
Timeout Regards,
B
Hotmeat,
So hence the escrow Markers. So is to say the debit of Escrows is owed. Or do I just got the "Meat Sweats:.
We got the Hotmeats regards,
B
Thanks LG we 'That is most" hope we all see the way out the barren lands to a land of our choosing and can rest with the fruits of our patience and belief. Will See.
Best LG regards,
B
Escrow Shares Released Markers would yes benefit from return of assets to what is Yes formally WMI assets and equity whom is now and has been the rightful owners of former WMI.
Now with that said I always believed as I was told"in a coded exchange of words" with a member of the former Attorney team representing EQ that it all had to come from the NEWCO actions and that's where we would find our pay day.
It was to say that if the Newco did not formulate and execute a solid launch it would be tough to see assets returned to former WMI equity.
Now what does that mean??? ...possibly a multiple of things??? However reading between the lines given if you follow that WMIH is still joined at the hip as they are old WMI then they still have the assets and Debit for which Equity is owed. How do they get there?
...It is my belief we are all going to find out in the coming months just how that will be done I feel as though it will all come back through what "slim Shady" one Mr. Kutrous formed in the beginning and will flow back thru OLD WMI & Equities Clearing house DTC otherwise with out all those digital Escrow markers of released record how would you know whom got what???? ...Just like trades on the open market this has to be done in a form and fashion that is traceable, accurate, and in the provisions of the Law.
Hope that helps ...Again I will put no dates on anything except before the end of 2018 however my gut and feelers tell me we are close Danger CLOSE!
Regards,
B