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I agree but I am not sure the news is going to be that good. Four shows and no one can getting any indication on the viewership. I am begining to wonder if it will take some tiem for this show to be a winner over there.
Thanks for the update. So you are saying when the form 10 is approved it will trade again on the US market.
Good posting. I believe you are right he picked up shares dirt cheap from a third party that needed to sell. According to what I have heard he did his dd on the stock by having experts investigate the company. They came back with good things to say.He does believe in the company from what I can tell from what he says and the 10-15 sec talks I have had from him. I do think he trades some and I wish he was a little more honest in this area. I have heard from some people through indirect contacts that the people that have and are working for him also believe it is a real company compared to the other stuff he pumps. He is right about interesting in China and the Green Stocks I believe like NNRI will be hot soon. I am hoping the earnings are coming out late for ATOLL becuse Todd is working diligently to get them audited by and outside firm before releasing them. If so this could really help the stock price. My gut is telling me that they might be audited and can be consolidated into their balance sheet. This with some confirmed contracts I hope can get it to 5 soon.
Thanks for the input on the Chinese stocks. If you have any Vietnam stocks let me know.
Thank you for this information. I have never heard of a stock not trading when filing for the SEC approval to tade on a listed exchange. I believe we are talking about the same thing. I would like your help on any other Vietnam stocks. I was on vacation last week and was at LL Bean in Freepot. Someone was buying something and on the outside of the box was assembled in Tawian and finished in Vietnam. If LL Bean is purchasing stuff from Vietnam I am sold on investing there especially after the toy debacle in China.
where are all of the posters from last week around this time saying that the viewers would be so high for the Saturday night show. I have not seen them this weekend and I believe the show played again. Where is all of the excitement now. i am wondering if this show will not be a success in China - Ever country has a different culture you have to crack. I am wondering if they have not figured it out yet.
I looked at this stock about 6 mos ago and forgot about it since China stocks have be booming. I think they will slow up by the 08 Olympics then it will be time for Vietnam and Cambodia and etc.
I cannot get the CVCP symbol to work on Yahoo has it changed.
Also are there any other Vietnam stocks trading on our stock exchanges. The Vietnam Stock Index last I looked at was trading only in London. Are there any other ETFs or Indexs that trade here?
There is nothing wrong to bring up another stock hat is in the similar area to compare them with this stock. It hleps to see if you want to still hold or invest in this stock. I get the feeling most of these posters only want to hear the good not the bad. It is obvivous to me that most have not learned you cannot fight the tape. The stock has gone down and the news has not come out. This usually means some of the people in the know know the numbers are not going to be as good as the posters here are hoping for. I wish I had sold out when it was going down. Now I am in a trade that has turned into an investment. I hope it is a short term investment. The numbers on ad revenue will determine the direction of this stock. The company has a great product but we still do not know if the China culture is really into this show. Only time and ad revenues will tell the story. At this time the numbers must not be that good because the stock should be in the .4-.5 range. As they say you buy on the rumor and sell on the news. I do not see any rumor moving the stock. I hope I am wrong but the tape is not looking good.
My feeling is the viewing nimbers are not as good as what people think on this MB. I wish they are good because I am in the hole with the stock
Thanks for the AMEX input. I believe the NAS is $1 or a certain capitalism which ever is higher.
I agree they should be able to get it to 3 soon. They are know taking a more active approach to get the investors informed. The management will get it right in the PR area. I am hearing some good things on how they will hand it in the future.
I know I am not as smart as you are. I meant to say was I think they will get the ATOLL earning audited before the end of the 4th qtr. Previously I believed it would be next yr after the 4th qtr was over. It is my understanding we are still waiting for the 2nd qtr ATOLL earnings even though the 3rd qtr is over. I am hoping they get on track once the 2nd qtr evenings come out and then follow up with the 3rd qtr Atoll earnings before the 4th qtr is over. I might have this wrong because I am not as smart as you are. It is my understanding with people in the know it is a culture problem & mainly security clearnace from the Russian & US gov't that has been delaying the ATOLL earnings. This company has added issues too resolve due to the business they are in.
On the listing you are saying that even a pink sheet company get approval from the SEC it can jump from Pink sheet to AMEX or NAS. I was not sure about that. I realize they have to meet certain criteria which is probably profitability. I would like to see your .40 for 07. I believe the number. I also believe they could do 1.00 for 08. I have heard some of the profit margins on certain business can run as high as 40-50%.That is not on all of the business but some of it. Atoll is suppose to have by yr end 280 M in business if all goes well. If they just win 5-10% of the business for cleaning up the Russian & EU mess they could get 1 B in sales in a yr or so. This does not include the Mideast & Latin American business.
Contacts and earnings. I have the feeling we might get the ATOLL earnings audited before the 4th qtr. If so this would help tremendously. If this happens this might not be dead money until next year. I need to know with the SEC OTC approval does that mean they have to go through the same procedure to move from the OTC to Nas or Amex. Are is it just up to these exchanges to review their request once they have the SEC approval.
Getting some notice now. see Stockstars
http://us.f550.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=5681_7909903_133461_2040_4332_0_43764_13544_364820...
Good things are coming this month. I think at the end of the month if we get the ATOLL numbers the stock will start moving.
The numbers will make these PRs worth something.
Pre market it is 17+. I think ABAT will do the same next week. I listed to ALTI at the conference and was not impressed. I think ABAT will dominate the hybrid vehicle market and all electric cars too.
Look at GSI bought before it went to AMEX at 7.42 now almost 16. I wish I had as much as NNRI and I would be in a positive position.
I ws just think about that big contrct of arond 100M that ATOLL was suppose to win. I hope they do win it. The PRs are trying to keep the investors informed which they had not done much befoe. They have to turn into hard numbers to more the stock. Other people that keep telling us how great the stock is will not move the stock. My gut issaying I think a lot will come toether this month.
Good posting. I believe once the numbers come in the stock will go up. This compan has the mangement team and the business model to pull it off. I think we will be updated in a more regular manner and when the numbers come through the stock will move. When this happens I am not sure. The news is good and is helping to put a floor under the stock.
Go point. Earnings are what count first and always first. Float is way down on the list but you have to understand ST & Iceman needed the retail investors to hang in there so their 144 friends would have some one to sell at a higher price than without the retail invstors - even if ST shows the TA is breaking down. He would have told all of us to sell it if he did not own the stock. Boy did I learn a lot from this exercise. I still think this is a great company but it is not our time until they get the earnings incorporated into their balance sheet that are audited by an outside auditor. This is not going to happen until the 4th qtr. As I have said this is dead money until next yr. The management is trying to put a floor under the stock with these press releases unfortuantely they are too little to late to do much for the upside. It will take the earnings, the funding confirmed and some long term guidance on where the company is going. Until we get these three things it is dead money. I just wish I had sold all of my stock at 3 or higher and bought more Chinese stocks. Then with more profits then come in and buy NNRI in the Dec time frame. You live and learn. When TAs breakdown bail out no matter what people say.
I agree. It is my understanding they have around 4M for salaries, expenses, business consultants and etc to get the company up and running in the last 1.5 yr. I hope they make some extra money for a better PR.
They do spend their time on the shareholders and it is now showing up. The Iceman is right they need to change investment bankers. I talked to one a few months ago and stated do not know how to handle the investment community and it is showing now. item 4 do you mean in the 10Q??
I think you are on the money with being able to do $1 next year. I understand very well how they are handling the ATOLL earnings and the problems to getting them on their books. I have talked with Todd about this a couple of times and with Jim. Your right they stole ATOLL. I hope they can steal the other acquistions. This guys are good not so good on keepint the shareholders updated. I still believe in the company but it is killing me now. My timing is off about 3-4 months. Lets hope some more news comes out in Oct and can move the stock so I am even.
If you talked to the company I am surprised it they gave you .40 cents for the year. I have been trying to get some earnings guidance out of them. They should have told you ATOLL is working at their own pace and that they came back from a long summer break. They should have told you that they are trying to get them to see that it is important to get earnings out in a timely manner. It has to do with the culture and also security clearance from both the Russian & US gov't.I am shocked they gave you a earnings number over not giving you a reason for the delay. If you are telling the truth this is good news.Iceman was saying .30 for the yr. I like the .40 if true.
I agree with you expected & anticipated is used too often. I just want to see the P.Os. I feel the same way it is better to invest some where else until they get their earnings from ATOLL incorporated into their balance sheet and can deliver them in a timely manner. I believe in this management team to get the job done. Unfortunately it is har to invest else where when you are in the hole. It still feel it will be next yr until we get rewarded. In the mean time I have invested some of my loss in Chinese stocks like CPSL and picked up 6 pts in 3-4 days. If I had all my NNRI in it I could have sold and bought back NNRI at a steal.
I am not a TA guy but I think you are saying it is 50/50 it could go either way. You think fundamentals will be the really turning factor.I get the feeling from different inputs that Oct might be the month that all of this comes out for the new business, funding, acquistions finalized, hopefully some indication on which stock exchange it might be on. Lets hope you are right that good fundamentals & news will reverse the direction.
You got me on this one. I wish I could answer that. I hope the fith one is the final one. I do think they are getting close. Supposedly the Russians are having that meeting to vote on allowing NNRI to be on their exchange by the end of the month. Has anyone heard on that meeting
I agree with you. It is fairly good filing, it is that people look at the loss and sell and do not read into the future of the company. The Company told me they would put the money back into the business. I still did not see the dividend for ATOLL. I think this will give us a real indication on how much money they can generate in this business. I understand the problems management has had in getting the earnings from ATOLL and consolidating them. Security issues and culture issues are the main problems. I think the most positive is they will have revenues for the year, they will have ATOLL's earnings in by the third qtr report and they have enough funds to get them through the 08. I hope I read that right.
Your right they finally have given some guidance that they will end the year with revenues. They did answer the burn rate from the last lne of credit - it should get them through 2nd qtr of 08. It is too bad it took them this long to get it out. I hope it was due to the 5th amendment filing to the SEC not to help the 144s sell. They have addressed some of my concerns here. We need to see the numbers from ATOLL for the 2nd qtr. This I know cannot be put on their books until third qtr. I think this is positive because i got the feeling that they could not do this until the 4th qtr. I hope I read that right. So it looks like they are making more progress on getting the earnings out in a more timely manner for the next qtr. This management will get the job done i just hope the stock gets rewarded sooner than next yr.
The next shareholders meeting I believe is next month. Maybe you can get the truth from the management team why it is taking so long to get the earnings out, when they might have some guidance for the future direction of the company, when they might get listed, the business RFQs they quoted and the ones they think they will win, what is their burn rate with the last 2.5M line of credit, if the time on the warrants to be exercised will be changed to 6 mos instead of 1 yr, the breakdown on the remaining restricted shares, how much management will be selling, what is their profit margins on different product lines & etc. How they will handle the culture differences between what is important to the US investor vs what the Russians feel is important, how much added time is added in releasing information from the Russian security department & the US security departments. i guess your hero ST never addresses these problems while not disclosing that he gets paid by the company in stock. Stock is payment. These are the issues that are holding back the company's stock price. it would be nice if he would address the problems but those could be negatives. Every negative can be turned into a positive it just takes time but he just keeps telling you all of the good stuff so the 144 can sell into a higher price but does not disclose his payment from the company. At least the management will discuss these things with you. That is the reason I believe in this company and management but the timing is going take some time. i hope some good things that might start to move the stock might come out toward the end of next month. I would think a intelligent investor would be asking ST these questions to see if he will even address them. At least the management team will discuss them. They are a group of professional people that are working hard to get through all of these difficult issues. I know of one individual that had outside people review this company and management team and they came out with good ratings. Unfortuantely it is taking longer than all of us were planning to get the reward from this investment. I hope to see you at the next shareholders meeting. They have some good ideas for the next meeting i believe. I will definitley have questions for this management team.
I have been called at least 3 times by him to try and keep me from posting anything negative. How many times have you been called by him??? I thought we had the 1st Amendment in this country to discuss things openly. I guess they do not have 1st amendment in Russia. Russian stocks will take off when he is out of office if the new person he has chosen is more open to an open media. I have to say this is one of the major reasons this market is not keeping up with China. Even though I have some issues with the Iceman he is correct on the China market. He does have some good ideas. You just have to sort out the BS from the good calls.
Great Post. The 144s selling might increase. The iceman mentioned recently one time that the warrants for the 144s might be changed from 1 yr restriction to 6 mos. I I understand this then Mercers client will be able to excerise them for peanuts and then sell them into the market. ??? When will this be??? Will it be 6 months from this summer??? Does that mean a new wave of 144 selling the first of the yr??? Also I think there is another 29M restricted shares. When will these be sold. I expect management to sell some. They deserve too because they have live and pay bills. My understanding is they have only spent 4M in the last 1.5 yrs on salaries, expenses and etc. They been a bunch of Cheap guys and this is a compliment for their style. Hopefully they do not sell too much. I am in the process of studying the 10K more to understand this better. On the ST - he calls people and tells them that their posting is negative if he does not like it. Then he tells you you are helping the shorts. I have had this done a couple of times. I finally figured it out. It was not helping the shorts but hurting the 144 sellers. We were not keeping the price up for them to sell their shares. Have you ever noticed he never states any problems with the company. When you call the company they will tell you the problems they are working on. In my book he is paid to promote the stock. He tells you you should buy in this range. I have no problem with his postings but he needs to put a disclosure on every posting here. I would respect what he says more if he had it. Calling people up and trying to tell them not to post those things in my book is a Putin think - control the media - did Putin fire certain media people?? - weren't some killed by whom??
I am glad that you understand the disclosure rules to bad other people that write here that are paid by the company do not attach a disclosure statement along with their holdings. On CNBC that is owned by GE make all of the analysis or others that promote a stock have to put up a disclosure statement. It makes what you say creditable.
Luckily the internet keeps track of all emails for later use.
Once the other promoters put a disclosure statement on the postings it would give creditablity to them and the company. Unfortunately the longer no disclosure statements are attached the more it hurts this great company and possibly sets them up for future problems.
I have been holding a good size stake for months and listened to the promoters and not my gut and the stock movement. Just kept the faith of the promoters while the 144s came in an sold while we were used to hold the price up for them. So when I saw the 450k sale when the promoters were pumping the stock I finally woke up and realized what they teach you in econ 101. Lost opportunity cost. I realized that I was losing opportunities well waiting for the promoters to keep your hopes up for a great company not now but down the road while being in the hole. It is obvious the market professionals did not buy the latest PR release the stock went down. They are smarter than me. They do not buy on hope they buy on earnings, guidance, not expects to get orders only on confirmed orders. I am just realizing after talking to many people in the company they do have great management but they are not in control of the situations - the culture differences are a major problem. ATOLL does not care about getting the earnings out in a timely manner and etc. So it will take at least until next year until they can work through these culture issues and gain control of the important things things needed for the investment community. I don't know how many times you have talked to company officials but I have talked to them more than a dozen times in the last 3-4 months. They are very good about talking to the shareholders. Lousy at getting PRs out. I have talked to the CFO 2-3 times. The IR person 6+ times, one technical engineer one time, their long term strategist 2-3 times. They are all first class. Please confirm how many times you have talked to company officials. After talking to them it is obvious the promoters are not doing a service for the company. It is obvious this will be a great company but the stock will not reflect that until next year at the soonest. They have to get their hands around many issues. I am confident they will do it but in the meantime the stock is dead money. The 64k question is are there better opportunities to make up my loses until the stock reflects this is a great company that is the question that has to be asked. I am convinced we will not get the 2nd qtr earning until the 3rd qtr is over. This not away to get the big investors that more the stocks to buy. Also they will not be on a major exchange until next year in my opinion. So we can all be used to help the 144 sellers get a better price. My hat goes off to the promoters they have done a great job. They get an A++ for the job they have done. So think about all of what I am saying also call the company and talk to the officials. They are very honest and straight forward with what they can say. It is too bad the promoters are not as honest as the management team. The promoters do not reflect the management. They are doing a dis service for the company. So please let me know how many times you have talked to the company officials. I have faith in them but the stock will not reflect their capability until next yr. Unfortunately the promoters have hurt the stock to take off. It will but it will be longer than if they did not have promoters. Long investors will get rewarded but it will take some time.
I am not short come down to SFO and we will review my Scottrade accounts. If you have the balls you would do that before calling me a short. I sold some shares after reading the press release calling expect a given order and the stock going down. At least I am disclosing what I am doing. What I sold is less than 3-4% of my holdings that are not short. So before you call me a short get on a plane and look at my accounts. You are not man enough to come down and then call me a short. So when you come down and view my account then you will learn not to call someone a short until you have the facts. This is a great company but you have done what I have for so long I listened to the hype the promoters are putting out and just watched the stock go down and told the TA fundmentals don't matter and buyers are coming in. I realized we are just being used as pawns for the 144s to sell into to keep the price up. We will get rewarded but it will not be until next year as the soonest. So wake up and smell the roses not the smell the promoters are promoting. Delayed earnings, no guidance, PRs with expect to get technical request to deliver in the 4th qtr. Get a real dictionary and do not call someone a short until you have the balls to come and review my account.
Expects - look it up in the dictionary - it is not a P.O. or a definite committment. I do not know what dictionary & language you use. This is not a 100% committment. What management in a Fortune 500 company would say that is a given.
It is good news but the language is not solid committment.
It is not an order. It is obvious you have never sold or handled business with a major fotune 500. It is an RFQ. You cannot even mention it as a sale unless you have a P.O.
then it can be counted as a sale then when it is delivered it or completed it can be considered revenue on the books. When ST says it is an order he is mis representing the facts. Also i checked with someone that knows the law an according to them he has to have a disclosure if he is paid by the company. Ask an institutional investor if this is sale and if they would invest on just RFQs. I do not think so. Ask some smart investors that handle major investing for corporations. Then come back to me. I just want the company to obey the laws and give us some earnings and guidance not just request for quotes. If you think that will move the stock you are dreaming. I have a big position in the company and they need to clean this problem up. Also why do you think the stock has held up so well. It is my view that the promoters have helped to keep it up for the 144 sellers while telling us how great the stock with great buying is coming in, you don't need to worry about the fundmentals when it breaks support and etc. Think about it. this dead money until we get earnings, guidance, and gets off the pk sheets. One thing the Iceman is right about and probably the only thing is it will be next year when it gets listed on the AMEX. For the Russian stock exchange well they have a meeting at the end of the month. So if they work at their usual pace that would probably mean next yr it gets listed on their exchange. Wake up and smell the roses - not from the Iceman or ST. Dead money until next yr. I hope I am wrong but has anything come true from the promoters that do not disclose their positions. Please make me a list and send it to me all of the rest on this board. If they have you should be able do it right after you recieve this email. And about my positions please give me your flight # to SFO and I will pick you up and we can review my Scottrade accounts. I sold 4k shares today and invested them and made good money. At least I am disclosing what I am doing.
It is good some is starting to realize that earnings are important and good news like hard orders could move this stock. A technical request or as I call is an RFQ Request for Quotation is not a hard order. I am not the best reader in the world I am surprised that ST called it an order. Is that more spin. He is a technical person from what I know and has probably been on technical projects like I have for 20 yrs. A request for an order is different from a Purchase Order with dates to deliver. This again is a slight spin and the reason he needs to put a disclosure on everything he prints here and any where else. I had a discussion with the company on this issue. I told them a dislosure when writes would help the company with a link showing the positions of restricted shares & personal positions. In my opinion and it needs to be checked with the legal people they might be violating the SEC rules. I have no problem with his inputs but he needs have a disclosure with every postings. He is being paid by the company. I due believe they will look into. If not I will contact the SEC to see the rules on a paid promoter from a company without a disclosure statement. With a disclosure we can then make our judgement on what he says in a fair manner.
Give us some facts. It is holding up very well with all of the 144s & short selling. It is just a matter of good news to more the stock like earnings. Give us facts on why it will drop.
It did not say that they got orders in the release in Yahoo.
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070920/127067.html
It appears again the company does not keep the shareholders up to date. It would have more credibility if this was released in their press releases. Again we need this information coming from the company along with earnings. This might be a great company soon but they still get a F- grade for keeping the shareholders informed. It is very sad that shareholders have to listen to MBs to get information on the company they invest in. They need to fire the PR group and hire a NY firm. Thanks for the update. I guess you were there.
I have never had to rely on the MBs to get information on companies I invest in. This is a very sad situation that needs to be corrected immediately. They did not inform us of the symbol change. The list goes on.
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