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Of course they anticipated it for "a while"!! If not when I posted the ASD patent a year earlier and asked Kidinsight to "ask MP about this and get back with us", then surely when ASD initially contacted CDEX before the suit was filed.
I can just imagine CDEX stonewalling ASD until they had enough and slapped the law suit on them. That was prolly good for at least several months of anticipation! LOL
The guy was a very poor liar, even from the very beginning trying to solicit proxy votes.
Even as tbeezer.
Hich C, how far back do you think Malcolm Philips was involved with Loch Harris?
Do you believe that he was "just an ordinary shareholder like you and I" as Ontheedge attempted to portray, or do you believe he goes back further- even further then his alleged hypster posts under the RB alias "p4316"?
At what point do you think he entered the picture?
Doen't look like anyone believes what Kidinsight says anymore. He's posted way too much BS, especially under his other alias.
"But how many shares have I sold"
"Poteet threatened to sue and the newspaper use an absence of malice defense"
And of course, one of my all time favorites from Ontheedge01:
"The truly unique aspect of CDEX's work is the discovery (not found by any other research group until CDEX revealed it) that certain co-existing materials that are detectable by x-ray fluorescence are present in all explosives manufactured by all countries in existing landmines"
Then how did ELF work? LOL!!!
Ohhhh... gad... too funny!!!
LMAO!!!
Reflections:
Ontheedge01 and his damge control after announcement of the infringement law suit.. Need I mention that 100% of his "humble opinions" were dead wrong! LOL
Selected excerpts for your enjoyment:
"Imho, this suit will be dismissed and CDEX will continue to grow and become a very successful company.
I have seen very view companies that have as much promise as CDEX has, come under attack and/or suit from a wanna be.
I have read both patents. I do believe that even diddy can see that the two patents have no common link. If ASD is not very careful, their suit could backfire, and they could pay damages to CDEX, imho."
"IMHO, asd is grasping at straws, while damaging CDEX with the filing of an unfounded lawsuit."
IMHO, asd is grasping at straws, while damaging CDEX with the filing of an unfounded lawsuit.
"Imho, this law suit has been anticipated for a while, and the appropiate action will be taken. Sometimes people just hope they can fire a shotgun blast up in the air and get something for nothing!
"Imho, the lawsuit company is not thinking through the big picture. Just like a few others failed to do!"
"The suit will not be allowed, imho.
Lets see the CDEX response and see if you get a little light shed on the suit.
That is, if you are not able to read the patent that the suit is about.
What has happened is a company who cannot get their stuff going, is looking to hitch a ride with a company that is getting their stuff going.
What's to come is the suit will not be allowed and CDEX will continue to grow and Baxa will be selling, imho."
"It would be my gut feeling that asd has been looking at our stuff for a while. It is their conclusion that Cdex has a much better product, and that their stuff will be replaced by Cdex at a point down the line.
Thus, when the better faster car is seen coming, best try and hitch a ride, imho."
YAWN.................
Sanddollar, RA got booted so many times from RB I think he holds the record. And for deleted posts too! LOL
Drum , ya gotta fill out the paperwork. I'm on a B5 pay schedule. Judging from RA's reluctance to tell us how much he's making I'm guessing he's a B7 or 8.
It's just not fair!
RA, "paid bashers" why else would we all be here "24/7"?
A Tax Man. (Beat me to the punch Sand- bad girl, ten minutes quiet time for you- LOL)
High C, I believe that was the GAO if memory serves me correctly (and it does- see below). Poor Wade Poteet was too busy in the lab to know that statements were grossly innaccurate and that his prestige and good name was being used to lure in new suckers! LOL
I read one poster claim that when he caught wind of this dishonesty, about a year later, he contacted the SEC immediately and refused to work for the bad, bad, Boyz until Saint Philips took over. That's allegedly why he didn't go to Kinsmen island... so the story goes.
Yawn...
"The ELF landmine detector made a perfect score last Friday in private tests conducted at the request of Government Accounting Office representatives at the Tucson, Ariz.-based laboratory of Chemical Detection Technology, Inc. (ChemTech), a subsidiary of Loch Harris, Inc. (OTCBB: LOCH), according to Rodney Boone, Loch Harris CEO.
The two-meter bench tests for the ELF, which stands for Eliminate Landmines Forever, were staged for three representatives from the National Security and International Affairs division of the GAO, which is charged with auditing the current status of United States mine detection technology.
Boone said the GAO findings are expected to be presented to Congress in a written report by the end of March.
Dr. Henry Blair, renowned Tucson physicist who developed the ELF, said, &uot;We raised the bar of difficulty substantially today for ELF by placing all explosives samples in sealed, airtight plastic containers that were representative of techniques used by landmine manufacturers.&uot;
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The GAO representatives took part in the test by personally selecting and monitoring the reshuffling of test beds while Dr. Wade Poteet, ChemTech's co-developer and operator, was removed from the test area.
The ELF went a perfect 16 for 16, accurately locating and identifying each separate buried explosive sample at a distance of two meters.
&uot;The distance and real-time readouts seemed to surprise our guests,&uot; said Blair. &uot;But,&uot; he promised, &uot;the ELF will do more.&uot;
Dr. Blair is confident that his ELF will perform just as perfectly at 30-meter distances in Croatian field tests in the near future.
Boone said tests in Croatia, which had been expected this month, had been delayed partly by extreme weather conditions and partly by the country's recent elections. &uot;Croatia's Rudjer Boskovic Institute has indicated that a mid-February date is likely for controlled laboratory tests, to be followed shortly afterward by the field tests.&uot;
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements which are not historical facts contained in this press release are forward-looking statements that involve certain risks and uncertainties including but not limited to risks associated with the uncertainty of future financial results, regulatory approval processes, the impact of competitive products or other uncertainties detailed in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
For further information contact: Investor Communications Group, Phone 770/351-9700; Fax 770/351-0700; or Dwain Marshall, Loch Harris, Inc., Phone 512/328-7808; Fax 512/341-7721; or visit our Web site at " target="_blank">http://www.lochharris.com."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_Jan_23/ai_58911239
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"How about that idiot (you know who, I don't)that said no one at Dallas Childrens would talk to him when he started asking questions."
That was ATXMAN, and that is not what he said (and trust me he is no idiot). His report was non-bias and accurate and about a year later his report was confirmed when the real information about the DCH beta testing came to light. I'd be happy to repost that string if the incident escapes you.
"There may not have been many opportunities,but we all know it would happen ,and not just by the so called bashers"
Agreed HC. Can't blame anyone either, whether it's a so-called "basher" looking for dirt or a shareholder trying to confirm a deceptively written PR. I'm beginning to believe that MP has had his hand in most of them.
(edit) Do posters really believe these excuses! LOL This is too funny:
"Regarding MP's lack of communications: I heard that one reason MP doesn't make public announcements is that the bashers (Imoravan, et.al.) call the customers and try to disrupt successful sales. I guess Silence IS Golden!
How many "successful sales" (purchases) have there been? How many PR's state that a hospital "purchased" Valimed?
How many of the hospitals that actually purchased Valimed were involved in beta testing and had staff that received consulting fees?
How many of the hospitals that actually purchased Valimed received a discount? How many Valimed sold at full price.
ZERO?
What does it mean when a PR states that a hospital "selected" Valimed?
Please define and contrast the meaning of "select", "purchase", "partner", "accept delivery" as these terms appear in CDEX PR's.
I have tried to be objective in not jumping to conclusions about how well Valimed would be received in health care community. I said I would give it to the end of the year to debunk rumors about a lack of sales due to the law suit and deferred Baxa sales to meet next years quotas... etc.
Well OK, that's all gone now. The law suit has been settled (with allegedly little harm done) and the Baxa sales quota has become irrelevant in light of recent news. Not only was Baxa not withholding end-of-year sales, they couldn't even sale the units they purchased in their initial inventory.
Peolpe have called me on the phone and said, "d4diddy, your posting as if CDEX's Valimed is actually going to sell and this could be something other than a continuation of the Loch Harris scam!"
I reply, "Well.... Inet won't respect me if I don't give them a chance!"
Here's my update, we'll know everthing we need to know in the Q1 IMO. If Valimed is going to sell, they should have sold at the steeply dicounted fire sale price in Q1. The fact that we observe the same sneaky, deceptive wording in PR's and the same stock promoting tactics leads me to believe that nothing has changed except for the authorized shares.
Why can't they ever be straight with shareholders? It makes me want to vomit right along side Inet! LOL
I'll have to agree with Crow on this one Sanddollar:
"Dave is not nearly as smart nor as sneaky and vicious mean as is tha Captain..no way, no how,, Entirely different characters."
Dave lost control of his emotions when he posted his personl information, the person(s) posting under the capnmike alias are Loch/CDEX stock promoter(s) and stone-cold manipulator(s) IMO.
I don't care whether this poster had cancer or not, writes poetry, drives a Chevy truck, eats apple pie, wears diapers or actually did invested his life savings into a penny stock scam*. That information is irrelevant, but it is obvious (at least to me) why a stock promoter would attempt to establish a personal connection with his/her audience of potential investors.
What's really important is a posters track record and capnmike's track record has honestly been near zero. The only thing one needs to do is review his posting history. Lots of granstanding, bios, irrelevant links to crisis news and apparently unwarranted "wows". Where's the beff (TM- jmarcine). End of story.
* One thing I've always wondered about is how this poster could have invested his life savings in a penny stock when he published a story of how his church had to help him finacially during his illness? I suppose "life savings" does not necessarily mean a large sum of money.
And that just goes to show, if you don't want people prying into your personal life- DON'T PUBLISH IT or DON'T CRY ABOUT IT WHEN THEY DO!
This is a investment message board for gawd sakes, not a social club.
So for those that do post such infromation. It's quite (quiet, quit) clear there's a hidden agenda. (Except for your post Dave, I do believe you just lost it.)
Ho Hum... (TM- blkhoc) eom
Affinity Fraud: The Ultimate Confidence Game
By W. Mark Sendrow
Director of the Securities Division
In today’s investment climate, an ever-increasing number of Americans are putting their money in the financial markets. While this is good for the economy and often lucrative for individuals, many pitfalls remain. Stories of fabulous short-term gains may have created an atmosphere of unrealistic expectations. No one wants to miss the golden opportunities of the great bull market, but determining where to invest is often difficult. As a short cut, people may rely on friends and persons like themselves for investment advice. This is where affinity fraud comes into play.
“Affinity fraud” involves con artists who target members of their own race, nationality or religious affiliation and exploit their status as members of the group to solicit investments in fraudulent schemes.
In one way or another, everyone is connected to a group or association. Our ethnicity, interests, backgrounds and other factors will naturally lead to such organizations or affiliations. Our cultural and religious beliefs contribute to this allegiance to groups that we often come to trust--sometimes to our detriment. Because the average person does not have the time or resources to research investment opportunities, they are vulnerable to affinity fraud.
Since the swindler is a fellow group member, he or she appears a natural match for sharing information, resources and entrusting funds. The hook is the affiliation to the group members who are the potential investors. The scam artist plays up the association that he or she and the investor have in the hopes of lowering the investor’s guard and exploiting a natural trust.
Affinity fraud is a successful tool for scam artists. Once a victim realizes that he or she has been scammed, often the response is not to notify the authorities, but to try and solve the problem within the group. This intergroup loyalty is an aspect that swindlers play upon, especially among people of color and ethnic minority groups. A desire to find an amicable resolution “among ourselves” allows the swindler to continue his scam undetected by regulators, and if necessary, plan a discrete escape or cover his tracks.
New immigrants may be particularly vulnerable. Since new immigrants may be isolated from the larger community, their access to information is restricted. Swindlers who claim to provide “safe” alternatives to banks or have “no-risk” investments can take the funds of these persons and disappear, dashing hopes and dreams of starting a new life in this country. The fact that these immigrants are not familiar with the laws and ways of American society and are reluctant to call authorities greatly increases the swindler’s success.
Similarly, members of long-established ethnic groups that have amassed savings and achieved certain standards of living often have a desire to “give back” to their communities. Affinity fraud artists of the same ethnicity often try to appeal to such sentiments. Con artists also use this tactic in the increasing number of religious affinity fraud cases. Swindlers who prey upon their co-religionists come in all denominations.
Some recent examples:
· In Arizona, the Baptist Foundation of Arizona is a recent example of an affinity fraud. The Corporation Commission issued an order requiring the Baptist Foundation of Arizona and two related corporations, Arizona Southern Baptist New Church Ventures, Inc., and Christian Financial Partners, Inc., to cease and desist from violating the Arizona Securities Act in offering and selling their investment products. The three nonprofit corporations have sold more than $530 million in investments involving promissory notes, to more than 13,000 investors throughout the United States. An investigation conducted by the Securities Division revealed that the Foundation had misrepresented its financial condition to investors.
· In Florida trial has been scheduled for seven officials of the Tampa-based Greater Ministries International Church. They are charged in a 20-count federal indictment alleging conspiracy, money laundering and mail fraud. State securities regulators and prosecutors believe Greater Ministries operated a massive Ponzi scheme that may have defrauded more than 17,000 investors nationwide of as much as $200 million. Investors, many of whom are fundamentalist Christians, are located throughout the country including Arizona. The defendants told investors that their money would double in 17 months or less. Investors were quoted Luke 6:38: "Give, and it shall be given unto you." Greater Ministries officials told investors that state and federal securities laws did not apply to them because the investments were "gifts" to the Church and the payments from the church to investors, called "blessings," were not subject to taxes.
· In Texas, a former Sunday school teacher is being sought by the FBI on charges that he swindled at least 33 people, many of them church members, out of more than $1 million. According to Texas officials, the suspect victimized members of a church, who like him, were immigrants from India. The suspect allegedly got money from investors to buy nationally known stocks and then stashed the cash in their personal bank and brokerage accounts.
· In Wisconsin, one scam artist is charged with securities fraud involving a scheme in which he was allegedly going to create a local minority-owned and operated telephone company. To raise money for this venture, the promoter targeted members of the Milwaukee inner city, often going through local churches to reach parishioners. Hundreds of Milwaukee residents are believed to have invested. They were told that they would make money on the operations of the company and through a future public offering. Soon after the money was raised the company, Intra Community Communications, filed for bankruptcy protection.
· In Indiana, state securities regulators say elderly investors were duped into buying bogus promissory notes by three men, two insurance agents and an investment adviser, who often got on their knees and prayed with their victims to gain their trust.
· In Alabama this year, the court sentenced a defendant to 30 years for bilking 30 retirement age investors out of nearly $6 million. At the sentencing hearing, the judge received many letters about the defendant, a former financial consultant. Many victims, the judge said, were drawn to the defendant because he was charismatic and had “Christian values.”
http://www.ccsd.cc.state.az.us/Directors_Message/Director11-99.asp
Scams use name of God to con Christians
http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2001-08-08-scams.htm
LOL!!! "I look for men and women who pray. Who call upon the Lord when making tough decisions. Who utilize a portion of their profits to benefit those less fortunate. When I am able to locate all of the above under one roof, I get excited. Very, very excited..."
The Baptist Foundation of Arizona defrauded over 13,000 investors, mostly Baptists, of more than $500 million worth of securities. The foundation is associated with the Arizona Baptist Convention, and many of its promoters were Baptist pastors who encouraged their congregations to invest from their life savings.
Capnmike? No?
http://cnt10.tripod.com/bfa.htm
PHOENIX - The final defendant has pleaded guilty in a fraud case linked to the collapse of the Baptist Foundation of Arizona...
The foundation, which was created in 1948 as a nonprofit religious entity to raise money for Southern Baptist causes, collapsed in 1999 in what was then the largest nonprofit bankruptcy filing in U.S. history.
About 11,000 mostly elderly investors lost almost $600 million as a result.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/14807/Baptist-foundation-leader-pleads-guilty-in-US-fraud-case
http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/retire/basics/7745.asp
AFFINITY FRAUD:
How To Avoid Investment Scams That Target Groups
What is an Affinity Fraud?
Affinity fraud refers to investment scams that prey upon members of identifiable groups, such as religious or ethnic communities, the elderly, or professional groups. The fraudsters who promote affinity scams frequently are - or pretend to be - members of the group. They often enlist respected community or religious leaders from within the group to spread the word about the scheme, by convincing those people that a fraudulent investment is legitimate and worthwhile. Many times, those leaders become unwitting victims of the fraudster's ruse.
http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/affinity.htm
Phoenix Southern Baptist nailed for securities fraud:
" "It is a sad story of greed perpetrated in the name of a church..."
http://www.abpnews.com/1674.article
Sanddollar, I thought men were hunters and women were gatherers?
And "No" ceedeex, I'm not generalizing to all of Christianity- just Baptists scamsters! LOL
Quote from episode of The Simpsons (last night) where scamsters use religion to market their product:
"You exploit people's deepest beliefs to hawk your cheesy wares"
-Lisa Simpson
I recently bought my EvangelicalElixir with the patented Phlogiston(TM) technology and I'm glad I did.
It's so easy to use, within hours I was building my own personal Kingdom.
You can do. Give then a call today
Ceedeex, you accused Xeno of "generalizing". Now you're doing it. You keep dancing around the religion factor.
I am specifically talking about the religious factor. In particular, the scum bags that use one's belief in religion as a weakness to scam them out of their money.
Especially ones that are higher up in the church hiearchy and feed upon the congregation.
LMAO!! You've got to be kidding...
The goal of CFRN is to provide the Christian investor with the necessary tools to become an effective Kingdom Builder."
You're right ceedeex, everyone can have greed, but what we're talking about goes well beyond greed.
We're talking about religious hypocrites that ride on God's coattail and take advantage of innocent, good natured religious folks. They're the scum of the earth IMO.
".....One whose operators include a minister whose primary accomplishment is building a large church congregation."
Speaking of ministers and their congregagtions... I was thinking about one of the founders of the Loch/CDEx scam, The Preacher Man.
It seems that selling shares into an existing congregation is pretty much a sure bet when you are their minister. Worked well for Harris, appears to be working well for Philips.
It's ashame Boone and Baker had to get greedy and bring all those NBL players into the scam- a lot harder to manage I would imagine.
MP will have none of that nonsense anymore. Much to risky, too many eyes watching. Nope, get back to the basics, the low risk religious market will never let you down.
Religion has always been used as a scam tool. Amazing.
Pookie
"Dr. Biffnix = Diddy?? WoW......"
Moon unit is tripping.
Thank you Arloco. My recollection wasn't 100% accurate, but everyone gets the picture.
And after all was said and done, look who praised Preacher Man as the shareholder's savior, "Dr". R.B Baker, soon to be the newest front man for the Loch Harris scam:
"The fact is, and the beautiful story about all that, is that Mr. Harris has stayed with that thing for two years, and all the investors now have a chance of recovering those investments..."
-R.B. Baker
"Malcolm Philips was just another ordinary shareholder like you and I. If it wasn't for him, shareholders wouldn't even have a chance at recovering their investmnet..."
-Ontheedge (ph)
LOL! Some of those book titlies are funnier than sheet!
Maybe ya'll should start working on chapter titles.
Crow, you said you want to start the saga with the original preacher man? Remember the story about the partner he had before he brought "Dr." R.B. Baker on board?
Shortly after wife takes out 100K life insurance policy the partner suddenly dies? That would be a nice prelude to introduce our main antagonist into the story.
Arloco, can you please supply us with the link to that story? It was posted on RB 4-5 years ago, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding it.
You have 30 minutes... STARTING NOW.
"The CROW and THEM Show" LMAO!!! eom
This is the most positive interpretation of the CC I've heard yet! And can you imagine, from a PP investor.
Somarbull says:
..."I listened to the call today and it's now my opinion that good things will gradually be happening in 2007 but I don't expect the stock PPS to appreciate that much. It would seem that we're looking at another 1-2 yrs. before that happens assuming everything works out and we don't run into any other roadblocks"
Gee Somarbull, wouldn't "everything working out" also include not running into an unexpected roadblock?
Excuse me, just splittin' hairs I suppose.
So, it would seem 1-2 years before anything happens if everything works out OK? Thank you very, very much for that news, I NOW feel better than I ever have before with my life savings invested in Loch/CDEx. The PPS only needs to get to 8.37 for me to break even, 2007 is going to be our year.
Malcom will take us all the way. He is truly performing God's work. Jesus loves you Malcolm Philips Jr.
Did I read that correctly on the other board, one of the main objectives for '07 is to continue with consolidation? Good gawd, that non-event has been played already.
- Updated relationship with Baxa. Yawn.... do you mean give them what they want or lose them? Malspeaketh.
- They're all excited? Yawn....when haven't they been. Read MP's 2002 CEO statement Xeno recently posted. Look how excited they were about PSSS, MSSS, FSSS. Pure BSSS.
- They feel much better about financing? No doubt, they just made another production run! I love their terminology, "increase investment in the company". Malspeaketh again.
Where are any financing details? What's with the Preferred "C" shares?
- Expand meth gun unit (more beta partners)? Where is the update on MSHP testing? It was suppose to be completed a month ago. Is March production still on schedule? No news has always been bad news, but that usually takes at least 6-12 month after the fact to learn. In the mean time, keep reporting beta testing with multiple partners... and for goodness sakes, use protection.
- Expand the signature library? Certainly, but try to be more consistent with the numbers which seem to go up and down on a regular basis. I simply don't believe a word these yo-yo's say unless it can be 100% verified- which hasn't been done yet. How many signatures are there now?
- MP has demonstrated his personal commitment to the company by moving from the frozen NE to snowbird country for winter golf? Too funny!!!!
- Accelerate new products (med products beta testing)? LOL!! What? PSSS, MSSS, FSSS, please give us another "glowing report", not that we'll believe a word of it. It's just funny. And the news about Valimed issss...? Oh that's right, No news has always been bad news- that's the one thing we can rely on. Time to move on once again to the newest Golden Widgets, just as we all expected.
- Obtain foreign distributors? Yawn... need to borrow some money for traveling expenses?
- Hire new CEO? How much did JG drain out of the company for his stellar job? Good executive call MP. Who's next, another front man you can trust associated with W&S? And speaking of execs, where are the details of the severance package for the departing 'Big Four'? I don't remember the details being disclosed in the SEC filings? And what is the conversion rate on those Preferred "C"s again?
Well... the only thing I can see is more of the same deception and stonewalling. This is not a company that I'd ever, ever trust. Did once when I was stupid. I'm smarter than that now. Disclaimer: I didn't listen to the CC, I'm only responding to comments made from the TCL board so my opinions my be subject to change- better or worst.
Gid die mites.
Someone should ask MP tommorrow. And also the details on the preferred shares, all classes.
OT: Crow, some comments on your post:
The brain, even with all the instruments available to us now and in the future will never be able to comprehend the universe.. At least, I do not think so.
To comprehend the universe is to know everything IMO and that sounds like it could be used as the definition of God- not a human ability.
The deeper we peer outward and inward (sub-atomic) the more we find that we need to research and think upon.
We do not even know ourselves.. how can we know the universe? Is it finite? Is it infinite? What are the limits? What is beyond the limits? Is there another universe out there beyond "ours". What was before the big bang?
Hawkins thinks that "time" flows only one way because he thinks that the law of entropy is well settled. So the universe cannot unwind.
To know everything implies zero disorder (zero entropy) and perfect symmetry where time does not exist. Drawing upon the Godel Incompletness theorem, this condition is itself unstable and results in disorder. Sort of like if we are all a part of God seeking the ultimate truth and one day all beings (minds/souls/whatever) in the universe finally came together as a collective perfect one into an infinity small point in space like a black hole engulfing everything. This perfectly symmetrical point collaspes in on itself into nothingness which results in a big bang. Once everything becomes nothing it loses stability and exploes into a bunch of stuff. LOL
Me, CROW3, the fellow that is always wrong.. thinks that there in no such thing as "time".. No particle has been found to blame time on. We humans constructed time-pieces and math to measure "processes". The "interval" of processes from a start to a finish. Or from where it was to where it is.
Physics cannot define "time" without begging the question. For example, any group of words used to construct a definition for "time" will have the word "time" buried in the definition of a word in the group. "Interval", "displacemet between two events"... etc. No bueno.
Newton thought time was the same everywhere. Einstien said "hey wait a mo. That dog won't hunt. It works fine to assume universal time if you keep it local.. REALLY local.. but iffin you goes oot in space.. the math gets fuzzy"..
So he ups with some new equations that shows that time (processes) flow differently at different places in the universe. Time is relative..not absolute.. acording to his math.
What is the flaw?
Einstein showed that time isn't an independent, one dimensional varible, but instead is a dependent varible in a four dimensional space which is acted upon by gravitation.
"Gravity warps space and space tells time what to do"
He made it up!! to explain wha hoppen if you tie yersel to a light beam..and go haulin ass into space. Look back at the clock on earth..and see that the dang hands ain't budged. Look at the watch on his wrist..time is moving along nicely. A cat on earth lookin at the same clock sees it moving along nicely.
Of course, one can tie himself to a light beam only in his imagination. Looking for sumpin to tie to, Einstien assumed that the speed of light is the only constant. Everbody gotta have at least one absolute, or go mad, right??
Some agrue that Bell's Inequallity Theorem implies that instantaneous transfer of information is possible. That's faster than the speed of light.
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/BellsTheorem/BellsTheorem.html
(scroll down to "What if logic is invalid")
So keeping "C" constant..he constructed equations to explain the rest of his relativity.. Back to what is "real is only what can be observed". Gotta have light to see.. ergo..here is my absolute.
I ain't sayin that he was wrong..hell, I ain't got the math enough to prove anything..but there are rumblings here and there that "C" is not the absolute speed limit in the universe.. So we are learnin still...Gotta have some new equations. Always new equations..
Intuition says Einstien was fulla it. But intuition cannot not be quantified., thus "proven"..
The remarkable thing about it is scientists have been designing experiments for decades to measure C and it has never varied. Exactly as Einstein calculated. He never proved that C with the upper limit to the speed of light, but his theory has been subjected to thousands and thousnads of critical tests and it still remains pretty damn believeable! LOL
"Then we get into the infinite stack of turtles situation (if you comprendo this), where it is turtles all the way down - one diety created by another ad infinitum.'
Or in set theory, does the "set of all sets" contain itself? LOL
Ain't gunna happen Crow:
"then using some imaginative ideas and applying totally far out math to 'prove" the hypothesis. Until somebody else caomes up with another hypothesis and even more sophisticated..."
Our form system of reasoning (set theory) is flawed, in ergo, all uses of the system to describe the universe we perceive will exhibit manifestations of those flaws.
Godel's Incompletness Theorem- IMO, one of the most important of all time- says perfect formal systems of reasoning (i.e. consistent and complete) don't exist. He basically showed by assuming that one exists is a contradiction in itself.
What it means from a theology/physics point of view is that "some things are intrinsically unknowable":
God can never be proven and will always require blind faith.
Physics search for the elusive unified field theory will end up a dead end with theorems that will merge with philosophy- impossible to subject to experimentation, therefore unproveable.
Excellent read in the book Godel, Esher, Bach
Lots of Google:
http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html
When we die we'll either see the whole picture or we won't. LOL
OT: Xeno, Ever read the book God and The New Physics by Paul Davies?
Good read, I think you'd find it interesting.
From a review:
"According to the author, he sets out to look at the Big Four questions of existence: "Why are the laws of nature what they are? Why does the universe consist of the things it does? How did those things arise? How did the universe achieve its organization?" He proposes to show emerging tentative answers, and that science may offer a "surer path to God than religion."
http://www.cryonics.org/reflections.html
And the IHUB link at the top of the page reports this:
Price Size Exch Time
0.26 1400 OBB 15:41:16
0.265 5000 OBB 15:20:53
0.265 2000 OBB 15:20:15
0.265 1000 OBB 15:19:23
0.26 278 OBB 10:54:31
0.285 1500 OBB 10:35:05
0.285 3000 OBB 10:34:25
0.26 225 OBB 09:30:15
0.26 221 OBB 09:30:04
Compared to Sharwne's:
3:41:16 PM Trade 0.26 1400
3:20:56 PM Trade 0.265 5000
3:20:56 PM Ask 0.29 5000
3:20:14 PM Trade 0.265 2000
3:19:24 PM Trade 0.265 1000
3:19:24 PM Ask 0.265 5000
3:19:22 PM Ask 0.29 5000
2:53:14 PM Ask 0.284 5000
10:54:30 AM Trade 0.26 278
10:41:44 AM Bid 0.26 5000
10:35:40 AM Bid 0.27 5000
10:35:14 AM Ask 0.29 5000
10:35:04 AM Trade 0.285 1500
10:34:24 AM Trade 0.285 3000
9:30:14 AM Trade 0.26 225
9:30:04 AM Trade 0.26 221
November 22, 2006:
Investor No. 4: I have three very short to answer questions. How many
shares will there be outstanding after the new issue?
James Griffin: There will be 37 million, a little over 37 million shares
outstanding, which is where we are currently.
Investor No. 4: Okay.
James Griffin: Now if we are able to close a financing between now and
the special shareholders meeting, okay, I certainly would do that and that may
require us to -- well not may, but it will require us to issue more shares. So
by the time we get to the special shareholders meeting in Tucson in January the
9th, you know that 37 million might be 42 million or 40 million, I don't know,
it's hard to say at this point in time, but remember right now I only have 50
million shares authorized so I cannot issue more shares than what I have
authorized so until we have shareholder approval and we meet in Tucson at the
shareholders meeting might, right now I have 50 million shares available in the
authorized in the company and I have roughly 12.5 million shares available to me
to try and finance the company.
Such a fine line they walk on in scamcoland.