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Re: Crow3 post# 17946

Thursday, 02/08/2007 9:21:12 PM

Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:21:12 PM

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OT: Crow, some comments on your post:

The brain, even with all the instruments available to us now and in the future will never be able to comprehend the universe.. At least, I do not think so.

To comprehend the universe is to know everything IMO and that sounds like it could be used as the definition of God- not a human ability.

The deeper we peer outward and inward (sub-atomic) the more we find that we need to research and think upon.

We do not even know ourselves.. how can we know the universe? Is it finite? Is it infinite? What are the limits? What is beyond the limits? Is there another universe out there beyond "ours". What was before the big bang?

Hawkins thinks that "time" flows only one way because he thinks that the law of entropy is well settled. So the universe cannot unwind.


To know everything implies zero disorder (zero entropy) and perfect symmetry where time does not exist. Drawing upon the Godel Incompletness theorem, this condition is itself unstable and results in disorder. Sort of like if we are all a part of God seeking the ultimate truth and one day all beings (minds/souls/whatever) in the universe finally came together as a collective perfect one into an infinity small point in space like a black hole engulfing everything. This perfectly symmetrical point collaspes in on itself into nothingness which results in a big bang. Once everything becomes nothing it loses stability and exploes into a bunch of stuff. LOL

Me, CROW3, the fellow that is always wrong.. thinks that there in no such thing as "time".. No particle has been found to blame time on. We humans constructed time-pieces and math to measure "processes". The "interval" of processes from a start to a finish. Or from where it was to where it is.

Physics cannot define "time" without begging the question. For example, any group of words used to construct a definition for "time" will have the word "time" buried in the definition of a word in the group. "Interval", "displacemet between two events"... etc. No bueno.

Newton thought time was the same everywhere. Einstien said "hey wait a mo. That dog won't hunt. It works fine to assume universal time if you keep it local.. REALLY local.. but iffin you goes oot in space.. the math gets fuzzy"..

So he ups with some new equations that shows that time (processes) flow differently at different places in the universe. Time is relative..not absolute.. acording to his math.

What is the flaw?


Einstein showed that time isn't an independent, one dimensional varible, but instead is a dependent varible in a four dimensional space which is acted upon by gravitation.

"Gravity warps space and space tells time what to do"

He made it up!! to explain wha hoppen if you tie yersel to a light beam..and go haulin ass into space. Look back at the clock on earth..and see that the dang hands ain't budged. Look at the watch on his wrist..time is moving along nicely. A cat on earth lookin at the same clock sees it moving along nicely.

Of course, one can tie himself to a light beam only in his imagination. Looking for sumpin to tie to, Einstien assumed that the speed of light is the only constant. Everbody gotta have at least one absolute, or go mad, right??


Some agrue that Bell's Inequallity Theorem implies that instantaneous transfer of information is possible. That's faster than the speed of light.

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/BellsTheorem/BellsTheorem.html

(scroll down to "What if logic is invalid")

So keeping "C" constant..he constructed equations to explain the rest of his relativity.. Back to what is "real is only what can be observed". Gotta have light to see.. ergo..here is my absolute.

I ain't sayin that he was wrong..hell, I ain't got the math enough to prove anything..but there are rumblings here and there that "C" is not the absolute speed limit in the universe.. So we are learnin still...Gotta have some new equations. Always new equations..

Intuition says Einstien was fulla it. But intuition cannot not be quantified., thus "proven"..


The remarkable thing about it is scientists have been designing experiments for decades to measure C and it has never varied. Exactly as Einstein calculated. He never proved that C with the upper limit to the speed of light, but his theory has been subjected to thousands and thousnads of critical tests and it still remains pretty damn believeable! LOL

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