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Maniputalion, off topic? I do not see how. It is clearly right on topic. There is not one explanation that can logically excuse what has been going on with this stock. No one.
"It is a pink and that is what happens in pinky land" That is a LOAD OF DUNG. Everyone knows it. Look at all the reply's. There isn't one good answer and most all end up with, well even if it is... Uh, even if it is??? Then it is.
There are some great people here and they are looking very closely not only to the price, but the trading habits, posting habits and volume v. PPS (ask v bid) we are all takeing notes and contacting the SEC and Raley.
It isn't just goofy mindless forum chatter any longer. It is much more serious.
So, yes, this is quite on topic. There are a lot of people in here that have lost and are losing quite a bit of money, as well not in here. Someone needs to stick up for this stock. If a fight is going to happen all I know is, if I lose, maybe I won't go out to dinner as often for a few months, but if there is an MM or a NSS or SS that loses, you are soooo fcked!
So, GLTA. I think we will be seeing green for the next few days....IMHO
Well said Sunrise Surfer
I would call them. An explanation never hurts. Would like to get one here on this .015 thing.
Good luck with that.
I like "jai-ya"
If anyone gets the reference...
Q2 earnings. Only 400% more than Q1.
Yes, it looks that way. But, at the same time it could be setting up the other way as well.
That is what is the major problem is here. The only thing that is making sense is your word of the day.
If there is a huge accumulation here, waiting for the release, of a "possible" dillution, then the whoever is getting ready now will ride it all the way down. But, now that we have more than a few people looking at the activity here, it is rather obvious.
Now, if a dillution does not occur, a huge cover will have to be made, that is unless there is a even bigger NSS to cover the SS.
See how mitty this situation is. Raley is going to have to put the gloves on.
Sent another one to you, but I am guessing no go on that 1 two.
That is was is so great nowadays. One person contacts the SEC by phone or letter and one person contacts Raley the same way, not much may be doen, but if multiple e-mails, complaints and phone calls sent by more than just one person then there is a much larger paper trail.
If there is a huge paper trail that is constantly over looked, then there is an investigation to those who have been neglectful. It is amazing to see how fast people respond when their job is on the line. How fast they react when they are called out for either intentionally disregarding pertinent information sent in by many people or by "just" being lazy.
So, those of you that have sent in to the SEC and you get a response, keep it. That goes with sending into Raley as well.
It will fun when those that have been contacted receive an e-mail asking them why they have been ignoring blatent manipulation and you can attach their previous response, it holds a little more weight. You find things get done a little faster.
The more eyeballs, the more e-mails, the more paper trails there are, the better the response.
Anyways, nice to see green.
Don't forget to e-mail Raley too. Just to let him know that there are investors watching out for the stock and the company.
I always thought "eom" meant end of month...
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec9570.htm
That will take you to one of the forms to fill out as well.
howboutthat1.net?
Good week ahead MikeyK.
I e-mailed you...or someone. Could be in an inbox or a spam box?
Safe morning so far...
PDO, ROYL, CRED,. Now I know we can not compare, but we are in the same sector and they all have gone on wild runs.
Is it just a matter of time with UVSE? IMHO, yes. I can not fathom that this company as well as it handles itself and the cloth the CEO is cut from that this is going out of business. Crazy talk, but here we hover at .015 and people out there are holding this back why?
All huge runs. Stands to reason that a lot more money could be made letting this go than not. But, again, that would be reason speaking.
I am looking forward to this week.
Speaking in tongues, I hear what is In now is a seagull in spam.
Not only is that great DD, that is a very interesting "story".
A little trust can go a long way.
Thanks for the info. and Cheers.
Enjoy the weekend.
All around, no?
Yes it will be.
Kick@zz screen name bye the way.
Althougth it is a bit frustrating for me because I have never directly see something like this happen, I have to say, what a one to pick, huh.
No only a honesty and true great stock to find, but an exciting one to boot.
I am looking forward to the next 10 days or so. I have no idea which way it will go.
I have said my peace. That's everyone for putting up with the ranting BS.
I hope everyone can enjoy their weekend. GLTA.
Cheers, till Monday.
Yeah Yeah, sure I can be cool. Be cool. Yeah. In a sense, yes, you are right be cool.
If I saw my car being stolen, I would call the cops.
That's all I'm saying yo.
1st thank you. Well thought out and well spoken.
Last part first. 100% agree, this ain't fair value.
Shareholder meeting. I like how it wasn't announced. Like I have mentioned in the past, IMO Raley learned a difficult lesson by giving too much of a positive statement. He has been very understaded with the numbers they just came out with and what they are going to give in Q3. He has been cut and dry with bad news, so agian IMO, you are correct. I think if it were bad, a PR would have been issued. Keep the good news cool and quiet.
I think next week will tell us alot. Including, NSS, SS & MM's. I can not believe that "day traders" or minor flippers were working this. Looks much bigger than just a few people at home flipping. It went past all the chart signals and no one could explain after the fact. "if it crosses the 50, it is going to run!" But, just under the 50 was resistance and it broke that went past the 50 day and then was gone!
I am not worried about .011 - .035. I am concerned about the constant forcing down of this. Methodically. It screams manipulation. IMHO. That is why I am writing what I have been.
If no one is holding this down and MOMO comes in and we can't even get to fair value for what the company is producing now, then what makes you believe it will run?
You said, "common sense would suggest that nobody wants to keep a short position much longer, especially with the next 10Q projected to be even better than this most recent one."
Again 100% agree, it only makes sense the NSS, SS and MM are working in sync. to keep this down.
There are too many factors in play that should have held this at .02 . 10Q, Q2, Tight Shares, MOMO and yet here we are.
I have seen some crazy stuff in my life. And I mean, some CRAZY stuff. This is up there. Please, no offense, I have still yet to hear a real explination. I am not looking for a one or two bullet theroy. Just something that makes sense.
What you have explained, seems plausable if other things weren't in play. I would say, absolutely. But, all together, I can not buy it. And after the other day, I don't think Raley does either. It can not be just some people taking a profit...
IMO. again. thanks for your time.
OK, interesting. I'll bite.
A few interesting things. I have had some good correspondence with the company and including Raley over the past month+. Responds without hesitation. Over the past few days, my calls and e-mails highlighting the past three months, including times, trades, & MM's involved, to the SEC,have been let's say "received." And a "thank you very much." from "someone" at UVSE.
Here is where is gets a little Boiler Roomish. Maybe not the best analogy.
You send in to the SEC. I send in & speak with them. We both chart out everything to Raley.
But here in lies the rub, why should they stop? I have asked endlessly, but no one can come up with an answer. Because, just good news and wonderful PR's won't do it. If people can NSS, then it is a never ending up hill climb that will never let you get higher no matter how fast you climb. So why ever stop.
Here is my theory which is in line with what you are saying, but a little more drawn out. Talking out loud, and a bit winded. But, here it goes...
NSS = makes money till it goes to 0
SS = makes money as it goes down
MM = makes money on the trades themselves and not the PPS
So, let's say it isn't the MM's, cause what they do scares the ape out of people which in turns lowers volume which then in turn is counterproductive to how they make their money.
No volume = no trades = no $
NSS = will make their money till they drive it out of business, then on to the next one. If that is the case, !!!NOTHING!!! will or can save UVSE, us or the PPS from 0. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. If they make their most money on NSS, and all that does is drive it into its grave then we are done. Full stop
SS = almost the same, but a little differnt , in the fact that they make money driving the PPS down. They cash out and do it all over again. They need the MOMO. They will keep coming back to the trough until there is no more ##it to eat. Odd - the Short Interest list was much lower as of late.
But, if NSS and SS work together, wha la, they create "SWEET BUYING" opportunities over and over, which brings in just enough MOMO.
And who make money hand over fist, the MM's.
Beacuse, what they did in about 30 mins shows they could drive this sub penny in a hearbeat. If they do, the CD holders will dump and UVSE is out of business and his board goes away.
It seems that Raley is a smart guy. He has said that he is not worried about the PPS because it will be taken care of with positive results. After the "thank you" the other day, maybe they are starting to protect themselves. It may not be the stock that is going away. Could be a few people???
I have said this before, I am in this till the very earliest Feb. 09 or til it goes to 0.
Maybe a little long, but I have discussed this ad nauseum on and off this board and there hasn't been one logical response on why it isn't the MM's. I guess time will tell. I must say this is an interesting one.
Mimurry, this is what I posted earlier or late last night, however you want to call it.
I have a few honest questions for you. All the talk about the numbers and on and on about the CEO, the company; I really feel lucky to be a part of it. But, at the same time, what makes anyone think they will stop, if people are NSS or SS, at what point in time and for what reason would lead you to believe that they will.
If it is MM's, and they make money off the amount of trades being made, then why scare off any and all people who are 1) skeptical to begin with and 2) just kill ANY sort of run this should have had on the News and 10Q / Q2. Counterproductive, no?
What do you think, Sept 2 is going to bring that will allow this to reach fair value. I am not even talking a wild run, just fair value.
I am holding till at the very least Q4, which will bring us to Feb. 09. That feels like a lifetime, but if I sell my Cap. Gains will tell me, not long enough.
What is your point of view?
ValleyboiO,
Gotta hand it to you, that was quiet the explanation. Thank you for that. It spells out a lot. I do appreciate it.
As for asking you to raise the bar, not so much to you, but for other traders out there that read the message board.
As for being under. Sorry to hear that.
Again, thanks for the reply.
I have asked you a few questions without response. I don't understand why you would refuse to answer questions unless you didn't want to converse.
Dude, I got to say, for someone who likes to joke around a lot, you seem pretty ticked off at me. Mimurry as well.
I have asked some pretty legit questions and if you read my post, I have been behind this from my first post.
I am just starting to deal and come to grips that we have not leveled in the .02 range after all the News that has come out.
Novice trading questions for you,
0.0155 290000 OBB 12:28:36
0.015 300000 OBB 12:28:36
If there are 5000 size bids, then were are the 300,000 share buys coming from. Is that one buy or do the MM's wait till there there are enough to go through, (that can't be the case cause the 100 & 500 that went through yesterday) so, is it based on time. Each minute whatever order is in at the time gets filled?
And I have noticed there are a few traders here, that is cool, but could you raise the bar and trade in the
.018 - .022 range. Keep the support level at .018. Please.
Thank you in-advance
Ben, what's the deal? Why were you mad at me? I am still here. I am fighting for this stock, Raley and the company. I have no judgements on blow and hookers...ok a little, I think if you are living the college life to its maximum, it's fantastic.
I am not sure what got you man. Today is a nice run. One I did not expect. After watching what happend after Q2 was released I thought this was going to be manipulated to unheard of levels. Just watching what has happened to other companies, and all I saw were 000000's attached.
I will lose a slap load of $ if that happens.
But rest assured, You will always have a drinking buddy. And if you know of Pure Plat. I am a lifetime member there.
Cheers
Mimurry, I have a few honest questions for you. All the talk about the numbers and on and on about the CEO, the company; I really feel lucky to be a part of it. But, at the same time, what makes anyone think they will stop, if people are NSS or SS, at what point in time and for what reason would lead you to believe that they will.
If it is MM's, and they make money off the amount of trades being made, then why scare off any and all people who are 1) skeptical to begin with and 2) just kill ANY sort of run this should have had on the News and 10Q / Q2. Counterproductive, no?
What do you think, Sept 2 is going to bring that will allow this to reach fair value. I am not even talking a wild run, just fair value.
I am holding till at the very least Q4, which will bring us to Feb. 09. That feels like a lifetime, but if I sell my Cap. Gains will tell me, not long enough.
What is your point of view?
Don't forget to always DD.
Logic :
reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions
Logical: reasonable; to be expected
0.015 100 OBB 15:55:27
It is illogical to think for any reason that this will go up.
If people say, "NITE is not going away" or When NITE runs out of shares it will make a run.
If it is NSS, then they will never run out of shares. They don't have them nor do they need them. As they drive the price down and show how much control they have over it, it just brings in more and more shorts.
The only truism is, this can not make a run. I have e-mailed Mr. Raley showing him these trades and what they mean. I also, have e-mailed and been in contact with the SEC.
Will it do anything? We will have to see. I could not watch this happen without notifiying someone who has the ablitiy to do something about it.
I am long or till it goes to .0001. This could easily hit sub-penny within a 1/2 hr. If that happens, what do you think the CD holders are going to do? And if anyone thinks, the day they announce 1.5 B shares (which I do believe they will)
this is not going to take a hit, then you are very wrong. The shorts are counting on it.
It will be interesting to see what happens in Nov.with Q3. Heck it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow for that matter.
As for holding and driving up the PPS, We can not if we are unable to trade shares that we don't have.
3 month chart. From end of May till now. No not typical. At all.
And the footing that you want. Can't get it. MM's control it just like it was posted earlier.
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Very True.
And I will deal with issue of "posting great results" and then getting punted in the sac, my way.
0.0155 1500 OBB 10:27:20
0.0155 250 OBB 10:21:24
0.015 1674 OBB 10:00:51
And how are they making money again on a $3.80 trade?
Dear Mr. Raley & Complaint #3 to the SEC.
"IF" that is the case, well, it will explain itself and come out in the wash, rinse and repeat...
Why should we rebound?
What good reason could you come up with, in your opinion of course, that we would possibly go up today? It's Summer, going into Friday, News was already out and you think for some magical reason there is going to be a run on this.
Come On My Man.
May never happen. True, but will flash a light on these cockroaches and they can go ruin another company.
Raley is being sent my complaints to the SEC as well. Someone has got to speak up.
This is a great morning.
Second Complaint in.
If they get a few of these a flag goes up on the ticker symbol invovled.
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/selectconduct.shtml
Well, guess what. If that's where these MM's want to take it. Let's do it then.
Go find a crrap stock with a lot of promise and hype and no real business. Go take a fake company down. That would be justice. Not this way. Not this Company.
Thanks Mikey,
I am not going to throw my hands up and say oh well. It is not the money for me.
It is the principle!
So, I will post there more often then here. It may not help, but sitting here scratching me B@llz won't either.
Enforcement Complaint Form!
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec9570.htm
first one sent in!
Still don't understand. I would like to hear a true explaination for how someone makes money on what is happening.
Go after a soild good company. Beat the snot of of investors. Leave the stock for dead?
Then there won't be any trading, so no volume, so no $. Unless Maybe the are Naked Shorting and want/need this to go to .00011? They make their money and the get out.
There has got to be record of this and who is behind it.
I have been watching this and again, have never seen this happen.
What dept of the SEC do we contact?
Thanks.
If that were a late trade print from this AM, why would it have the last ask / bid attached to it?
This may show, not a trader and have no idea how this stuff works.
About earlier, no prob. I will see if I can track it down. If not, I will think of something.
I know I should just turn this thing off until Nov.'s reporting of Q3, cause today set me off a bit.
Our day will arrive. I know it. DD hasn't failed, not this badly...
I CALL GAP F'ING UP TOMORROW. LET'S DO THIS.
weeeeeeeeee?
Then take this from today's PR.
Dyron Watford, Universal Energy Corp. Chairman and CEO, commented, "Exceeding the high end of our revenue guidance for the quarter by 11% is fantastic. As we continue to increase revenues with production in the 3rd quarter from Caviar #1 and Caviar #4, the financial picture for Universal Energy becomes more solid with each day of production.
Caviar #1 nor #4 are mentioned in Q2. AT ALL