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Yeah, that's the area where I originally came into this stock, back in 2010. It was good for a triple after all was said and done. Now I was going to re-enter when it sank below the .02 area again, but after this latest company fiasco with WS and Havana Heat, I will wait for an all time low.
well good morning dman.
That bloomberg article is one year old. It states that AGT will be granted contract manufacturing rights, but so far, has the contract been signed? Where is the initial prototype? Has ANY production began? That article also states a nov. 2010 first intallation. Has that happened? Then where is the PR explaining why not? Did I miss it, if I did, show me. Look dman, I want a winner here same as you. But I want clear talk and when there is such ambiguous PRs as we are getting, I lose confidence. And from the looks of the PPS of the stock, so have MANY others.
dman, the share structure seems to be accurate from this link:
http://www.otcmarkets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=46849
It's on page 22 of that link.
As to the manufacturer, well I know of the "collaborative" relationship with absolute graphics, but collaboration usually means an "intellectual endevor", as in, "Let's talk theories". That's not a hard contract for production of units. How many units have they set up the production facility to produce? When does production begin? Answer is, no PRODUCTION contract has been announced, only "collaboration". This is from your link: " "We look forward to working collaboratively with Absolute Graphic Technologies on the development of our system," stated Malcolm Lennie, Chairman of AquaStar Holdings, Inc. "Their expertise in manufacturing and design will play an essential role in the execution of the final product."
That is NOT an annoucement of a production contract!
By the way, absolute graphics' only products are seemingly connected with the printing industry, they make process chillers, just research how those are used in industry! This is exactly why I am so discouraged with the management, no real meat in anything, just looks like an accountants BS and noting tangible getting done. And where oh where is a WORKING MODEL??????????????
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Yeah, ask where is a WORKING MODEL of one of these cooling units? Who will manufacture them? WHEN? I have more, but you most likely will get only a "political" answer anyway, so why bother.
dman, you are putting 2&2 together and you are getting it wrong. First, I did not sell at a loss, my current position is very small, less than 1 million shares, as of today. yes, I have evidence to back up what I have said, but it's open to interpretation, in other words, it's my opinion and obviously not yours. Those bad management claims are indeed obvious to me, and I am the one that is making my decisions. Here's one for you, why in the world hasn't a working model been built and shown in action? Why hasn't there been connections made for manufacturing these units? Why hasn't there been a major marketing campaign targeted at current installers to carry aquastar units????????????????? Secondly, what kind of trader has had nothing but winners? nobody is that good, so even if I had sold at a loss, it is meaningless. Thirdly, Only one who sees the true potential here, and laments how it's been mishandled,(IMO), would be as upset as I. So I guess most of my critics just don't get it. Anyway, some here have insinuated that negative postings will influence people to sell. That's hardly ever true, the falling stock price is the major influence, and who is responsible for that? So dman, chill out, you have your opinion, and it's not mine, I have no problem with that. Why should you have such a problem with mine?
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Sometimes I do include "IMO", but if I forget, it should be apparent to anyone that it's just my opinion.
No, I have very little stock here at present, and am not in the red, so not a "bagholder". No, this is not my only "play".
And I stand by my evaluation of the situation, and the evidence does support my position. All the evidence you should need is reading the company filings. No real meat, just a show so far. As to my "negativity", well I just think with a great "invention" that should be so efficient, the current management is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
You are surprised? Really, you must realize this was just a trade based on a really meaningless PR. If you want a gain that will hold, you are going to need information about the actual progress on developing a working model along with manufacturing infrastructure being procured. And don't you know you will not hear that untill someone in management gets it done.
PS don't hold you breath.
Yes, it could. I have been saying for a while now that this has become a flippers play, and that certainly is what is going on. If the company ever does get a working production model going, along with a solid business plan of marketing and distribution, this company could become an investment stock. That is what I am waiting for, but I do not have faith in the current management.
No, that no longer is current. Here are the more accurate numbers.
571, million OS as of 3/25/11, and 286,739,000 float.
Yes, but at what price is the buying?
LOL, yes you should have.
It will surely fill today or gap back down tomorrow, IMO.
Your logic? IMO, that just means all buying has stopped.
I agree, suspicious. But with another promo, that will undoubtedly hit tonight, this will have the potential for a trade. That is not what I want at this point, I want real developement and success. On the sideline waiting for new management to take over.
bid wackers, shake outs, none of that is relevant, it's as simple as this; most management knows that you have to support the pps of the company's stock. If you ever notice good management issues PRs in bunches, designed to support the purpose of whatever their design is. Not happening here, strickly speaking, it's as though they are being run as a private company. That is why this run will stall,(already has), and will retrace to record lows, sorry, but that's MO.
This PR was expected. Nothing new in this. However, good management would know this and have a secondary PR ready explaining just how this aquisition will move development. So now you know, there seems to be a lack of good management, IMO.
Really? You need to read this board if you don't have L2 in order to know you can pick up cheap shares? Maybe if you just put in a limit order for what you want if they are available you WILL get them. That's just my observation.
Anyone here know how many outstanding shares have been issued so far?
you who are posting about the L2 bids and such, please realize that NONE of that really matters. It's the MM's job to make a market. When something that the company does makes people want to either buy or sell the stock, then that's what will happen. So please try to understand how insignificant your observations are and post something that matters, if you have anything that matters that is.
PS this is not a personal attack as it only refers to the message content itself.
The best bashing seems to be comming from the "market" itself. look at the pps and the volume. See what I mean?
Yes, you are correct that there is an annual report from the company, but it's not a 10K. Also, you are correct about those share counts, but they only go to the end of last year. I suspect that with the huge number of authorized shares, that by now the count is much higher. It was listed at 461 million on the ibox.
You sir are incorrect, there is no current 10K out. And you also have the share structure wrong.
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looks like someone is trying to bait the hook for some gullibles.
according to company filings, all development has been stopped until that "little" dispute is settled. And apparently, that "little" dispute has not yet been settled.
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That issue is the big one, and why I am down on the management. It HAS to be solved before anything moves forward.
mrgreen, you posted some very old info on this company, it is no longer even remotely relevant to today's situation. As to those thinking this is the time to start a position, well, IMO you would be wise to wait until there has been a major management change at the top. Until that happens, this company is going nowhere, again just my opinion.
Oh my, the new I-box not helping too much. Now that's a shocker!
don't be disappointed, you can probably get all you want @ .0007 tomorrow! LOL
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Where is the standard,(for good management at least), follow up PR? Should be outlining how this aquisition will help. But do you see a follow up PR?
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what do your charts say about massive dillution?
Yes, see, more than likely the company is dumping many more shares and killing any real possible gain in pps, again, just my opinion.
Yeah, I know all about it. I am a former disgruntled shareholder who thinks this should be over a dime right now. And I think any good ceo with this kind of potential product, could have, and should have done much better than the pityful small move that has transpired so far, all just my opinion.
IMO, this ceo is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Aquastar has a great idea, but no brains to get it off the ground, that's my opinion.
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wow, what happened here yesterday! Looks like aquastar suckered some gullible newbies. Also looks like it didn't last long. Wake me up when the ceo is gone, IMO he is a joke.
earthrino is correct about the 960 million authorized shares. And he is most likely correct about the 460 million being the number currently outstanding. However, the float is closer to 320 million shares.
p.s. A good ceo would make sure that the sharecount was updated and kept current on all financial web sites. Just my opinion.
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Yes, and I believe they have another 400 million or so shares left to dump! When that's all finished and the ceo is finished as well, if the company still exists, I may get back in.
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Prediction; new 52 week low comming soon. LOL
I may get back in then,....NOT!
dman, I grow weary of your belief that you are the only one who knows how to do DD. You are not.
At this time, to the Company’s knowledge, the only pending or threatened
legal proceeding that could have a material effect on the Company’s
business, financial condition, or operations has to do with the April 10, 2009
termination license agreement between the University of Texas and Real
Paper Displays, Inc. Negotiations are presently underway to settle this
matter to the mutual benefit of both parties. At the present time, it is very
difficult to determine the amount involved because of the claims and
counter-claims that presently exist between the parties. Until a mutually
acceptable resolution of this matter is obtained, all development work
related to this technology have been placed on hold.
That was from one of their last quaterly filings.
cheers.
hey mallard, it's spelled , loss, not lose. he,he,he.
One thing is for certain, if I had not sold when I did, I would have been in the red. Now mind you, I at one time thought that this company would indeed make a lot of money, but the last few qtrs. has shown that someone, most likely the ceo, is not doing a very good job. So, I am on the sidelines waiting for some news that would signal a rebound. That is a pretty simple concept to grasp isn't it? You see, you don't have to actually own stock in a company to follow what's going on. In fact, most would say, keep up with what's happening with a stock BEFORE you buy it. And of course, don't ride it down and lose all of any profits you may have already made. And by the way, none of you have offered any real evidence to refute anything I have posted.
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