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Hi Happydog,
The issue at hand is far greater than merely being unsure of a time frame not spoken of.
IT IS THE ACCURACY AND AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE-THE WORD OF GOD.
By any person proclaiming they believe God/Jesus did not make the heavens and the earth ALL in 6 days literally a 24hour time period....is do denounce the 10 commandments even.
huhhh??? what did he say??
That is correct.
Lets look at the 10 commandments shall we in Exodus 20. (KJV)
Exd 20:1 ¶ And God spake all these words, saying,
Exd 20:2 ¶ I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exd 20:3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exd 20:4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
Exd 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exd 20:7 ¶ Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exd 20:8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exd 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exd 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
----*listen up now*------
Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exd 20:12 ¶ Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exd 20:13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.
Exd 20:14 ¶ Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exd 20:15 ¶ Thou shalt not steal.
Exd 20:16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exd 20:17 ¶ Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
...and so forth.
Now lets actually look in the bible itself my friend. (KJV)
¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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SO...Satan did not create anything.
and God tells us 12hour periods. 2.
night/day evening/morning sun/moon
1st day, 2nd day 3rd day etc, plain as can be.
Also God wrote the bible, man just "published it" you could say.
EVERY JOT AND TITLE IS WITHOUT ERROR.
Mathematics reveals the handywork of God, including punctuations in the KJ BIBLE.
People may study stocks, I love the KJBIBLE.
We have nooooooo idea how much is truely revealed within the pages of the bible.
1 day= (2) 12 hour periods. 12x12=144
(2) witnesses to something great, 144
144,000= the number of witnesses for God consisting of what?
12,000 of 12 tribes.
Everything!! =) in the bible SERVES A *FORESHADOWING PURPOSE.
After.......researching such things YOURSELF(WHOMOEVER) people will discover! this for themselves 100%.
God deals in #'s through the pages of His Word.
I can get into that another time. Or do some DD and youll see the info is available from people before us, that have cared to reallllly research the very pages of scripture.
I may not be that old, but I study to show myself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing THE WORD OF TRUTH. =] Praise the Lord.
I love you my friend, as Christ loves ALL, that seek HIM, though His Ways. John14:6
***I will stop with that for the moment.
THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS WITHOUT ERROR AND HOLDS THE KEYS TO ALL THAT IS NEEDED, TO RECEIVE THAT WHICH MANKIND LACKS.
Be blessed and feed your soul with the LIVING TRUTH OF GOD. =]
Hi Sharklady00
Nice to hear from you=)
Keep being a blessing for those all around.
Hi risk,
this is the PREVIOUS email I posted, took a minute to find it again. Take care.
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Posted by: VERITAS77
In reply to: sharklady00 who wrote msg# 808 Date:2/13/2007 8:47:26 PM
Post #of 1045
As far as all the conversation about..
OTHER LIFE FORMS, Read Genesis first.
God declared to Adam that he would have DOMINION OVER *EVERY LIVING THING, THAT WAS IN THE AIR OR GROUND OR SEA.
EVERYTHING.
SO...........simple logic alone would decree that there is no other life forms outside of our UNI-verse (singular).
Thats why- the complete accuracy of the bible IS SO, or is not.
It makes everything else that would be open to dispute, untrue when flying in the face of Jesus/Word/Scripture.
Truely.
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And again........JESUS DIED FOR MANKIND.
TO MAKE A STATEMENT(and thats all it could ever be), that other life forms Humanlike/ soul like exist, is saying that God's REDEMPTION PLAN was flawed, in that He states ALL HAVE SINNED (MANKIND) but these "others" arent like us?? Naaa.
and....
God made MAN in his own image/likeness...to say other lifeforms exist would be adding to the pages of scripture.
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now........I DO BELIEVE *FALLEN ANGELS-could appear/ and BE SIMULAR TO THESE "U.F.O." type things/creatures very likely.
ALL THAT WOULD PROOVE IS THE BIBLE IS REAL/TRUE/ and our WARNING.
****I THINK THE ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO HAVE FEATURES CALL IT, THAT IS ABILITIES NOT OF THIS WORLD, YES.
KINDOF A MESSAGE THAT- GOD did fail MANKIND, and evolution is true, and other planets have life, and you can become gods and this and that.
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p.s. risk,
Micro evolution exists moment to moment.(adaptation/survival)
MACRO evolution does not. (changing from one species to a different)
*looks like no ones on right now, zzzzzzzzzzz time.
Posted by: VERITAS77
In reply to: None Date:2/14/2007 4:49:08 PM
Post #of 1044
This was one of my posts a few days back.
Hi all,
If my memory serves me right,
The bible says that a little leaven, wickedness will ruin the whole lump. Our souls. That if one eye is dark the whole body is.
When Marry poured out the $300 worth or so, of ointment for Jesus's feet, Judas(the one who carried the bag) said should not this $$$$ be given to the poor? instead of pouring it out on his feet?!!
His greed got the best of him.
I believe it says that FROM THAT DAY FORWARD HE <<<< SOUGHT TO BETRAY THE LORD.
The pharisees etc, where mererly willing to oblige helping.
He had free will, but was TURNED OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND.
You know what?
That I am not so sure about either.
It is a stong possibility that PETER could have ended up being that such person.
why? It was Peter that the Lord prayed for AND.......
at one point even said GET THE BEHIND ME SATAN- TO(WARD) PETER HIMSELF.
JESUS- I PRAY FOR THEE BECAUSE THE DEVIL SEEKS TO SIFT YOU LIKE WHEAT.
Be it to kill him, or use him. Somthing to at least think about.
The scripture says whoa to that man whom the son of God is betrayed, I do not think that Judas was predestined for that "role" persay.
That would almost be assuming that God *choose at least ONE person to go to hell.
That make John3:16 NULL AND VOID AND MAKE GOD A LIAR.
On those simple/logical grounds alone, it is better to say that he was not chosen AS the son of perdition. But fell into this condemnation that is.
Godbless.
Christ new that it was Satan and not Judas. He told satan "what you do, do it quickly".
Did Jesus not call him-"friend?".
Jesus would not call satan himself -friend.
Hi risk,
Good to see you back on.
My best friend, and the first person I knew to die.....
was killed by a 17year old drunk driver. Its messed up I know.
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Humanity/earth-only life with a spirit from God? Yep.
other life forms? no.
DEMONIC SPIRIT BEINGS- YES, I do believe they are allowed to manifest now and then. And do harm etc. And mislead people.
God in all-no.
God.....is not in satan.
I know you would not say the visaversa.
He created all, and maintains it/hell/demons yes, but is SEPERATE from them.
I did answer you back extensively on life on other planets though for the record.
I went into detail on how the REDEMPTIVE PLAN of Jesus is for humanity, and that Adam was given dominion over ALL THAT WAS CREATED in heaven and in earth. So any alien/supreme power/being would be ruled out automatically in this case.
Going to go check out what the rest of your email said, and may RErespond/paste my original answer to you concerning alien lifeforms etc.
Nice hearing from you my friend.
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Goodnight =)
Continue to bless others MrSparex.
I have the bible on audio,
so listening to the bible through is very enjoyable, relaxing and highly productive.
Instead of reading a chapter, I can take in an entire book (with geneologies) lol, in about one hour.
Something to consider.
bible on audio DRAMATIZED-$85
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GODBLESS
BTW...
The human skeleTONS alone would overrun the earth if it were 100000000000000 (x) years in the gap "theory".
never mind the still- missing link.
p.s,
If.........youve ever done a study on the reproduction growth rate of civilization(humanity) will discover that the current level (#'s) are extrememly accurate to models that have been put forth displaying the progression of live on earth since the flood.
6 1/2 billion people living, is quite accurate according to the 4,500 years timespan -since the start over, that the flood brought about.
DR.DINO.COM
=]
excel-kudos.
Hi MrSparex
Great post.
You are right on.
Time is running short, and the Lord is returning soon no doubt. He can run the universe, he certainly can preserve one book-the *HOLY(WITHOUT ERROR) BIBLE. KJV.
Godbless
Hi excel
Heres some research data on the NIV
Hope you pray about it, and the direction the Lord would have you take. IMO, I would ask the Holy Spirit to *help you in understanding more and more the KJBIBLE.
A friend.
p.s... You can ask just as many ???? on this board, as you have others do of course! =)
so......go and get that good ol KJBIBLE out, and any ?? send them over the board, and many people will be happy to talk together about understanding a few difficult passages.
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Masoretic Text (from the latest editions of Biblia Hebraica), the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan Pentateuch. the Septuagint; Aquila , Symmachus and Theodotion; the Vulgate; the Peshitta; the Targums; and for the Psalms the Juxta Hebraica of Jerome.". The translators would sometimes take the notes in the margin of a text over the Masoretic text itself.
Verses omitted: (Missing verses in the NIV)
Mat 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows'
houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mar 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Mar 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
Act 24:7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us , and with great violence took him away out of our hands,
Act 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the
Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Verses Changed (this is not a complete list of the errors of the NIV):
1. Matthew 5:22: Omits "without a cause."
2. Matthew 19:17: Changes "Why callest thou me good" to "Why do you ask me about what is good"
3. Matthew 27:54: Changes "the Son of God" to "a son of God."
4. Luke 2:33: Changes "Joseph" to "his father."
5. Luke 4:4: Omits "but by every word of God"
6. Luke 23:42: Omit "Lord"
7. John 3:16,18: Omits "begotten"
8. John 14:2: Changes "mansions" to "rooms"
9. John 16:16 Omits "because I go to the Father"
10. Acts 17:22 : Change "superstitious" to "religious"
11. Romans 6:8: Change "we be dead" to "we died"
12. 1 Corinthians 9:27: "I keep my body" to "I beat my body"
13. Galatians 2:20: Omit "nevertheless I live"
14. Philippians 2:6: Change "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" to "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped"
15. Philippians 4:13: Change "Christ" to "him"
16. Colossians 1:14: Omit "through his blood"
17. 1 Timothy 3:16: Change "God" to "he"
18. 1 Timothy 6:10: Changed "root of all evil" to "root of all kinds of evil"
19. 1 Timothy 6:20: Change "science" to "knowledge"
20. 2 Timothy 2:15: Omit "study"
21. Revelation 1:8: Omit "the beginning and the ending"
22. Revelation 1:11: Omit "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"
23. Revelation 8:13: Change "angel" to "eagle"
24. Revelation 22:14: Change "do his commandments" to "wash their robes"
Omits:
1. Lord Jesus Christ 24 times
2. Lord 352 times
3. Christ 25 times
4. God 468 times
5. Godhead 3 times
6. Lucifer 1 time
7. Devil(s) 80 times
8. Hell 40 times
9. Heaven 160 times
10. Blood 41 times
11. Salvation 42 times
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Goodnight Happy,
Hope you study up on the "gap theory"
its "missing" though you know right? =) lol
seriosly though anyways...
check out DR.DINO.COM
Godbless!
The gap/missing link(evolution) are in the same theoritical catagory is all.
Bible is absolute.
AMEN.
You could have not chose the REASONING FACTOR, any clearer.
I enjoy studying other religions etc, but I am really careful when reading something like the mormon theology that use old english (KJ bible) style writing. It "sounds" to close, yet is taking people to hell for it.
Godbless.
AV1611.COM .....website, shows most all the ERRORS ON *PURPOSE THAT ARE IN ****ALL THE NEW (PER)VERSIONS.
I agree.
And.....I like your "qoute" also in your profile.
Im still learning that one, but its starting to sink in no doubt. lol
Godbless!
Hi excel,
Been discussing about the how old the earth is and why.
Im with the bible, and the 6,000 years approx. You guys?
Love taking about the bible WITH people.
Godbless! =P
p.s...any topics etc, people want to chat about- light them keyboards up! =)
Hi Happydog,
H.Ross, have read some things by him before.
Pushes for an old earth, contrary to the bible.
Interesting, most people do not except the bible as current, and yet the same people will believe in information speculated from 1000000000000000000000 years ago, for example. Give or take a few 0's.
Considering we have a geneology *starting IN THE BEGINNING... and then continued in the n/t with Matthew. Not to hard to do the math.
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.
You personally may have a different take on this, and if you do please converse. I enjoy talking WITH people about the Word of God.
Godbless! =P
sweeeeeet.
Thanks. (DR.DINO.COM) also.
I think it would be prudent to discuss how monotheism came about and what caused some groups of ancient societies to begin worshipping fewer gods and in some cases only one god.
-qoute.
Hi risk, Please feel free to elaborate on the above statement.
Im am happy to listen.
Godbless you as you seek the truth continually. =)
[You do believe in The Trinity correct?]
Hi Stocktrader04
Have a blessed day yourself, and look foward to any posts you bring on over this way! =)
Hi risk,
Nice to hear from you.
You seem to be aware of a lot of information. Neat.
I wanted to forward that info because it does mention dinos in the bible in Job 40, and you said you had not run across any references as such.
Godbless you as you continue to seek the truth always.
a friend. =] HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.
goodnight
AMEN.
Most of us loved reading about dinosaurs at some time in our lives. In 1993, the movie “Jurassic Park” stimulated the public interest in dinosaurs far beyond its previous level. As a result, increasing numbers of people have thought, “Since we have found all these fossils and dinosaur bones, we know dinosaurs existed. How come they are not mentioned in the Bible?”
Actually, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, and we will prove it by doing the following three things:
Examining the Bible’s text and the related scientific facts.
Explaining the accuracy of the Bible.
Exploring what we are taught in school and through the media.
The Bible’s Text
The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.
Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan.
“Dinosaur” Names, Then and Now
Name and date first written in the Bible Scientific Name (best estimate) and date the name appeared
tanniyn (dragon) before 1400 BC dinosaur 1841 AD
behemoth before 1400 BC brachiosaurus 1903 AD
Leviathan before 1400 BC kronosaurus 1901 AD
How we got these new names is interesting. In 1822, Mary Ann Mantell became the first person to discover and correctly identify a strange bone as part of a large, unknown reptile. Her husband, Dr. Gideon Mantell, later named this creature an “Iguanodon.” From that time forward, these forgotten animals were given names chosen by the people who rediscovered them. Of course, the Bible, written between approximately 1450 BC and 95 AD, does not include any of these names.
Reading the Bible carefully, you will realize that no living creature matches the descriptions of behemoth and Leviathan. However, if you grab your kid’s dinosaur book, you will notice several possible matches for each one. Let’s examine those.
Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24
It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.”
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”
Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.”
We would expect behemoth to be a large land animal whose bones are like beams of bronze and so forth, so whatever a behemoth is, it is large. A key phrase is “He is the first of the ways of God.” This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created. Although an elephant or a hippopotamus are big, they are less than one-tenth the size of a Brachiosaurus, the largest (complete) dinosaur ever discovered.[1] A Brachiosaurus could therefore easily be described as “the first of the ways of God.”
Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come to the conclusion that “behemoth” is not a normal animal, it is a dinosaur—the brachiosaurus. We agree with that conclusion!
Note: Some paleontologists have found fragmentary leg bones, ribs, or vertebrae which they propose belong to “new” sauropods larger than Brachiosaurus. Examples of these include Amphicoelias, Argentinasaurus, Sauroposeidon, Seismosaurus, Supersaurus and Ultrasaurus. There currently is not enough evidence to really determine the size of any of these, and some paleontologists believe that they are merely large examples of known dinosaurs like Brachiosaurus or Diplodocus. In any case, only the “modern scientific name” of behemoth would change. The point would still remain that behemoth refers to a dinosaur, not a “modern animal” like an elephant or hippopotamus.
Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point.
“No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
“Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
“His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
“His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
“Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
“On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)
[a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).
Unlike behemoth, who is huge, Leviathan is ferocious and terrifying. Many references (we have not listed them all) refer to the sea, so Leviathan is probably a sea creature. Although some bibles refer to Leviathan as an alligator or crocodile (and both of these are fierce) neither of these is a sea creature. They like the water, but they spend much of their time on land. Further, the question “Who can open the doors of his face. . . .” implies that nobody can open Leviathan’s jaws. Although an alligator's jaws cannot normally be forced open, a punch to their sensitive snout or poke in eye might startle them enough to release their grip.[2] Although this is a good description of an alligator characteristic, it does not fit perfectly with the description of Leviathan, which in the context of the Bible was supposed to describe an essentially impossible event, and we are not done yet.
The description of the scales is interesting. Several verses describe these great scales. Compared to Leviathan’s armor, iron is like straw and arrows ca not make it flee. Let’s face it, an arrow can do a lot of damage to a crocodile or alligator. This is not a description of either of them—or any living animal we are aware of.
And now for the key ingredient: fire. It is hard to read Job 41:18-21 without realizing the Bible is telling us that Leviathan breathes fire. That alone will eliminate almost every living animal. Yes, there is one animal like that in today’s world. It is called a bombardier beetle. This beetle is a native of Central America, and has a nozzle in its hind end that acts like a little flame thrower. It sprays a high-temperature jet of gas (fueled by hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide with oxidative enzymes) for protection. Now, if a Central American beetle can do it, so could Leviathan. By the way, crocodiles and alligators are out of the picture on this one, don’t you agree?
Before we leave the topic of fire, there are two more notes you may find interesting:
The history of every culture is filled with stories of fire-breathing dragons. If you think about it, in all the past ages wouldn’t someone have made up a story of a fire-breathing lion or something? Nobody did because the dragon stories are based on truth, and only “dragons” breathed fire. It is easy to imagine Leviathan as a member of the dragon (tanniyn) family. (Plus, Isaiah 27:1 strongly implies this connection.)
Many fossil dinosaur skulls contain unexplained, empty passages. Scientists have not been able to guess the reason for these passages. Would it make sense that some dinosaurs used these passages as “gas tanks” for the combustible mixture used to “breathe fire?” We believe it does.
Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come up with the conclusion that Leviathan is a kronosaurus. We have heard (and read) other suggestions, but the kronosaurus is the best match of any known creature to the description of Leviathan.
The Accuracy of the Bible
Some people believe that the Bible is not a scientifically accurate book, and that it is only a “spiritual book,” that forgot about dinosaurs or described them incorrectly. This is not the case. Nobody has ever proven that the Bible contains any inaccurately recorded information. (If you think someone has such evidence, contact us and show us the evidence. We will post that evidence with our reply in our FAQ section for the world to see—literally.) You do not have to believe the Bible just because someone says you are supposed to. That is blind faith, and blind faith is something you do not need with Christianity. The Bible and Christianity have been proven to be true. (See our page called “How Do You Know The Bible Is True?”) There is no other religion or “holy writing” that can honestly make the same claim. You may also wish to get a copy of the book “Know Why You Believe” by Paul Little. It addresses the facts that support Christianity in clear and simple terms.
What We Are Taught (In School and Through the Media)
Since humans are in the Bible, we unconsciously think that dinosaurs were extinct—and therefore not mentioned in the Bible. As you have just seen, the Bible not only refers to dinosaurs, but has detailed information about two of them.
Unfortunately, our public school system and the media have convinced us that dinosaurs were extinct at least 60 million years before man appeared on earth. They have done such a good job in this area that we can not imagine people and dinosaurs living at the same time. The fact is that dinosaurs were created no more than one day before mankind, not many millions of years earlier—and we have evidence to support that statement. Click here to see our Creation and Evolution page, and a link to many sites that fully prove this.
There is a lot of quality scientific information available regarding dinosaurs in the Bible. In time, we will put together a list of links (or recommend a good list of links we find on the web). For now, we would like to recommend two excellent sources of books, video tapes, and audio cassettes on this topic.
Click here to visit Creation Science Evangelism
Click here to visit The Institute for Creation Research
Cited References
[1] U.S. Geological Survey: What was the biggest dinosaur? What was the smallest?
[2] American Alligator
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Good morning too.
off to work, have fun today and be blessed.
Hi mig,
Wondering how your doing tonight?
Take care then.
Looks like most are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Thankyou excel.
DR.DINO.COM
The dinosaurs were here and they were here for many millions of years. -quote.
Risk, what is your opinion concerning man AND dinos TOGETHER?
And what if....they are in the bible together???
especially since the bible is only a few thousand years old, not including recent "sitings" of lockness etc.
anotherwords-add to the possibilty that they were amongst each other simultaneously, and recently.
More info on the flood
check out DR.DINO.COM
Hi excel,
we need a cowbell around here or what?
seein doubles again. lol
Hi excel,
we need a cowbell around here or what? lol
Hope everyone had a blessed day.
Quite around here today.
Ive been posting on Christian Stock Investors lately.
Wanted to post here a while back, but it took a subscription to do so.
You know what?
Someone blessed me with just that! =) A paid subscription.
so.....here I am, checkin things out over here.
Look forward to talking about the B.I.B.L.E.
You guys take care out there, and seek the Lord.
TTMELS. The Grand Canyon, Things That Make Evolutionists Look _______. You fill in the blank.
Author: John Hinton
Standing at the bottom of the Grand Canyon and concluding that the multiple bands that line the canyon walls are products of millions of years of sedimentation is just plain stupid. I spent a couple of weeks wandering through the Grand Canyon when I was in my early twenties. I was alone and was not given one of the government sponsored propaganda tours, but I had been told the same pseudo-science concerning the Canyon and its origin clear throughout my government school indoctrination program, beginning in elementary school. I was puzzled by it then, but far more puzzled when I looked at it in person.
The line that “it had been carved out by a river” made absolutely no sense to me, but what puzzled me more were the evenly colored stripes of even heights that were uniformly found throughout the entire canyon. Not being a Christian at that time, I was not troubled by the idea of the earth being millions or billions of years old, but I was not able to understand how each of these individual layers, or stripes, got to be of one unified color.
Did they expect us to believe that millions of years of light pink debris were followed by millions of years of gray debris, followed by millions of years of dark pink debris, and so forth? What possible factors could have explained this uniformity of color, not to mention the uniformity of the lines dividing the layers? They are relatively smooth, even lines that stretch for great distances without any signs of erosion between them. It actually looked like the product of different types and weights of silt settling after a flood, although at the time, I erroneously considered the possibility of more than one flood having been involved.
Being an agnostic at the time, I did not look at it as an argument for or against God, it was simply an observation based on common sense. The idea that nearly perfect stripes would have formed through years of decay, being of distinct and differing colors, and without erosion lines, was just plain dumb. If all of the earth looked like the Snake River Canyon their theory might have fooled me, but it does not, so I did see through it. I was puzzled at the time as to why they so many scientists were so gullible, but I just figured that they were morons and left it at that.
Years later, after coming to Christ and asking the Holy Spirit to guide me in all that I do, I understood why they insisted on following such a nonsensical theory. I then understood that they were not just morons, but they were morons with an agenda that guided all of their science falsely so called.
How truly sad that a person could look at that evidence of the great worldwide flood that the Bible tells us about, and to walk away from it spouting a fairy tale about great ages of the earth.
The earth IS approx 6,000 years old only.
A BLINK COMPARED TO ETERNITY.
The earth itself bears witness of its age.
The oldest coral reef is about 4,500 years old.
Methuselah...the oldest tree is 4,500 years old.
When N.Armstrong landed on the moon, the put a couple of extra feet on the crafts landing gear BECAUSE they thought that IF the world is soooooo old, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF MOON DUST build up then just a little tiny bit.
Armstrong had to JUMP down basically.
Also the build up in the oceans from the sand would have much more of a build up then we see as the bottom layer has.
People forget that when he created the world and Adam/Eve
HE CREATED A MATURE EARTH, as well as grown up human(s).
The trees/fruit bearers HAD THEIR SEEDS IN THEM.
Ready to go.
Not including over 200 cultures of a flood type story repeated across the globe.
And the fossils found on Mt.Everest and other crazy places.
Or the frozen still UNDIGESTED food found in Wooly Mammoths thousands of years later after excavated, and the meat is still edible. It takes a massive cold wave to freeze a 10k lb mammoth INSTANTLY enough to RETAIN GREEN FOLAGE in its stomach 1000's of years later. The list goes on and on.
Anyways, every direction a person attempts to escape the MAJESTIC HAND OF GOD, he cannot.
His glory bears witness in our minds eye, and our soul pleads to go to our creator but our will dispises and rejects the creator most of the time.
Be blessed in seeking the TRUTH. =]
Bible Contradictions?
Psalm 12:6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."
Hi all,
Some very unique posts today.
Amen,
You all take care. Need to repair my roof still while its light. Leaking.
Godbless.
Why did he choose the Jews as his "chosen" people ?
-qoute.
Because all the nations worshipped the creation, and gave NO GLORY/HONOR TO THE CREATOR.
When the "jews" stopped (not believing) BUT FOLLOWING/OBEYING JESUS/TRIUNE MESHIAC,
THEY BECAME AS THE HEATHEN, AND GOD SEPERATED HIMSELF FROM THEM. ....UNTIL *HIS PEOPLE REPENTED AND TURNED FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, AND THEN HE HEALED THEM.
btw...."jew"
only a term later used.
WE ALL ARE HEBREWIC TO BE EXACT.
or better yet, ADAM. That is to say all of the human race.
COMPLETE EQUALITY- ALL SERVING SPECIAL/DIFFERING PURPOSES, BUT = non the less.
ALL ARE PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Samson is a good example of Gods will for his followers to be fruitful unto goodworks.
He had it all, but fell short from lustful desires.
He turned himself over to the enemy.
God may....have used him to be the king or major ruler of his people back then (set apart since birth) however he was overcome by his own desires for the most part.
which caused him to LOOSE HIS EYES and be IMPRISONED by *sin.
Once his physical eyes were removed, he HAD to focus on spiritual. In the end he took out many a wicked people, more so than in his entire lifetime, but his life was cut short.
Though at that time he killed a bunch of enemy, it is very likely that God would have continued to use Him mightier than just one large event.
ESTER-was used for such, and lived on to be the queen.