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you said a couple, well I read all of them if thats ok with you.
I think its getting close, very close. I can see maybe one more PR that would fill the gap between today and contracts IMO.
Ford is one of the best run companies, its also about the best economic indicator other than a few DOW components from the perspective of the business. this is good for our economy,
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-shorten-summer-shutdown-north-182357939.html
big boost to jobs, all through supply chain.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-boost-factory-output-40-174803626.html
I dont have any idea where his story came from, seems all fabricated. especially when he talks loosly about a prototype. argus is a working model that came from the sanswire prototype, they spent months developing the product for military testing. he sounds clueless to me.
next couple of weeks there is activity for valence, enova, VIA, FCCC.
http://showtimesdaily.com/work-truck-show-2012/fccc-offers-green-for-free-with-enova
and
http://conferences.db.com/americas/cleantech12/
and
http://events.ntpshow.com/evs26/public/enter.aspx
you guys are gettin me cranked up again, if I cant contain myself I will have to buy more stock, dont make me do it. actually, I still believe it when I see it, cause I already cycled through the excitement stage more than once. but it all does make sense so its now a matter of execution.
"the company failing" is totally your opinion, give me a PR that says they are failing. 3 years ago, I would agree because there were so many unresolved issues that have since been cleared up.
"It is clear, to at least anyone rational, that maybe a third of the regular posters, cannot comprehend"
your opinion again. the only thing that is clear is that you differ in opinion then about half of the posters. and your statement some people are not rational thinkers here is a mix of your opinion, your perspective, and you values.
many posters on many boards are traders, disgruntled former shareholders, potential shareholders, shareholders, self proclaimed watchdogs, passive aggressive stalkers, etc, etc.
are you lumping all these into a simple catagory for a reason, who knows, dont matter, most likely would be my opinion anyhow.
fact is, shareholders and posters dont make the company what it is, they only show where its at and estimate where it might be tomorrow. I see the company making progress, ever so slow with some doubtfull motives mixed in, but the conclusion has not been determined as you think it is. maybe you dont really believe that its over either. why else would you be here if its all over and failed? thats the big question in my mind, what difference would any post make, so why post, what would be the point! right.
so do I, not just the trend, but the manipulation behind it.
I thought it was a buy above here, Im happy. it is one of the best companies out there, they make money, take care of shareholders and employees, and have an expansion plan second to none to capture more of the markets they are in.
hmmm...almost as much faith as I have in Jesus, 95% faith and 5% facts from the bible and miracles up to and including today. so I do understand you, but Im not sure they deserve your loyalty and faith, nor is it the same kind of investment. but I sure hope you are right.
thats about as opinionated and intangeble of a statement as anyone elses here, you should come up with something better than that since I believe your MO to be somewhat sceptical in all things material and spiritual.
that about wraps it up, if it goes down much different I think I would have to take a loss and look elsewhere for men of action. just a little humor from the movies, take it lightly for now.
where do we stand with the Argus again, almost a year later!
and was Clark leaving, and a new guy with lots of shares, one of the slides in the presentation!
I hope you were just joking.
its a pipe dream that has come true in many industries. If that is what they are planning, then they are true american entrepreneurs that can see a vision and execute on it with real results. which is why I bought more a while back. but I still dont understand without more information why they do some things they do.
lol, dont forget the donuts this morning on the way in.
im sure he is happy either way, $200k is a nice sum he gets even if he leaves. its obvious that his shares would be worth alot more if the stock shot up because of sales, revenue, maybe even profits.
I find quality leaders almost impossible to find these days, also hard to motivate the good ones when you reward before they perform. Clark and those before him are prime examples and it aint just this stock. its an epidemic of greed, where the biggest skills that leaders have, is how to negotiate stock options and such.
things change here for sure, almost like a soap opera, but with real money invested not just time in front of the tube.
"Clark is up for re-election at the coming SHM. He'll come through for us (and himself) between now and then."
"I feel Clark would have stuck around at least until it was announced, then stepped aside for the new COB to guide the company in the next stage."
I just didnt say it, but thats what most companies would do.
wake me in 3 months.
it almost makes investors look very ignorant, or at least desensitized to it.
this is as far from normal as they come other than in penny land where this saga lives on. I wonder how long the list is for those who will cycle through this company.
"Significant things can be done with the right contacts in the 2+ months before the meeting."
sure, but not sure what you define as significant and the starting point makes all the difference. I can only hope that the newest guy, who can keep track, has conditioned tasks at hand that even Clark himself was going to have to deal with at anytime now.
whatever the time lapse is, Im sure he will wait.
not that I know of, the only thing your statement is missing is the filing that they dont have to produce once they sell a while after they leave.
I like his background, I also like his education, SUNY. will he do anything here, we shall see.
Nando, I agree. it seems to be a smart move, we shall see. couple more comments, the stock went down on the news or at least went nowhere, and at this point it could appear that its just another new person to print shares for. they have a history, even up to today, where they bring someone in, give him shares, then they leave. they came, they saw, they left with shares. if its different, the market is not convinced. but then again, there are not many who follow this stock other than for conversation or PR developments.
I tell ya, I get confused trying to figure out who is responding to who, even when a name is preceding the message. very confusing, the key is to know why they are here i guess, right!
$1,445,577 and $740,441 is an outrageous amount of money for anyone tied to this company. most managers in almost any midsize to mom and pop companies would earn 80-120k/yr for what they are doing at WSGI. Managers spend, save, earn money, and run the business on a daily basis, not PR events every 3 months or so. prove me wrong, anyone who works for a living anyhow, tell me how much you think what they do at WSGI is worth annually?
most average middle age americans, who happen to invest in companies like WSGI, wont make much more than 1.5M in their lifetime.
those going to SHM, you are much braver than I, please take good notes and let me know how things go. wish I could say I am proud to be a shareholder, but thats not possible. For your sakes, I hope its not just a pipe dream session like last year. If they start talking memorbilia then shareholders are in trouble, but then again its revenue from somewhere. I see this thing more as a write off this year, up to and including the SHM results would be the deciding factor. maybe by then its back to break even and I take off, avita zein, vamoose.
st .04 PPS I dont think there are many impressed by us.
I dont think its about buying vlnc these days, its about the trade. until they get their act together its not a pretty place for long term investments. there is billions to be made in the current, plus future, battery market. Im sure when valence shows us good returns on its marketing decisions things will clear up above, and provide a somewhat lucrative and stable environment somewhat like Kanode and Aldeman"s salary.
did you buy? did you sell? do you own VLNC?
he gave himself 250m shares for doing what? hull services nor shelron have made any money for years. worst part is when he had a good product years ago he put spyware in it when he said it was not in it. thought is was a learning curve for him, now I have no sympathy for him after vaporizing shareholder wealth with no products and reverse split, then after he gave himself the 250m shares he pretty much took from shareholders.
now he has a Subsidiary that has no revenues like shelron, have no employees other than Eliron just like shelron. will he make shelron pay for its services to whatever costs there are in searching for gold. this has to be a classic case of a public company scam and should go down in history and be studied as well as made illegal. whats worse is people may even buy this.
I was thinking the same thing, here or there its a matter of symantics and is a rehash of reading between the lines on a company that is getting very good at throwing a bone out every few months for posterity sake.
it was a no brainer day that could be seen from a mile away. this is what I said on the 16th.
"not sure if ally scrubbers will get us to break even but everything helps. as far as the price, I think it will be at least a day or so before possible up shot."
so I was a day or so off.
looks like many of the banks were down today.
who is they, you mean Eliron, he always does that, its several hours difference in Israel. I owned this stock since way back, all sold off now. be carefull here or you will get burned, he has a lot of shares he has to unload this time and you will not be able to sell when he is doing it. you will have to be really clever to make anything here, most have not. just giving you a heads up.
amazing how time flies but not much else eh. im sure big things are coming in the next couple years, in the mean time is there a better place to be, thats up to each individual.
how about this years procurement list!
tomorrow or next year, go getum boys.
because the good news is all puny compared to the money that was once in this stock and the expectations shareholders have gathered from current management. I know a person, who ownes 3 towers himself. he also holds down a full time job, while this is a public company, I dont think it even matches his revenue from the towers. this company also gives out tens of millions of shares to board members and others who came, took, and left. I dont see many out there who want to buy shares to support the latest give away, its go time for the company, not the stock.
someone made a comment about if we dont give them stock then how will they get paid to run the company, pretty simple really, sell products just like other companies.
if I was a new investor looking for a place to put hard earned money, I would read the news, breeze through posts on this and other boards, then go look for a different company to invest in. there is a lot of complicated nothings going on here. until it changes, it wont change.
here is the other side of the coin. there is nothing good about what they are doing other than the fact the shares dont count as a cost, otherwise it would overshadow the puny profits. end result is the company looks more profitable while shares continue to be printed and sold into the float. its simple math really, if I own 1 out of 100 shares in a company, then they give away 100 more to employees, and they sell them into the float, my ownership in the company is now 1 out of 200. earnings/share is cut in half, and any real investor such as institutions or others looking at the value of the company see the EPS reflects a direct relationship, along with other metrics, on how the company is ran as well as valued.
the real key is if the company uses the shares to increase earnings, which has yet to be seen considering share givaway overshadows earnings every year. If anyone thinks giving away shares, with no return on your initial investment, is good for shareholders, than this is the stock for you.
"Who really pays for the employees then when a company decides to issue stock options? The existing shareholders do when they have their ownership in the company reduced. I am not implying that stock options are bad - when a company can increase its profitability at a rate greater than the dilution, then generally speaking the dilution is acceptable by the shareholders. However, when options are issued rapidly beyond prudence, the shareholders suffer badly."
http://www.tradingstocksguide.com/investing-stocks/stock-dilution.php
looks like the concepts about why blue chip companies limit the shares in the float has eluded some. they even buy back for no good reason it seems to some. when you have more shares to buy or sell you should have a market for the added shares, or else you will get what you are getting here, constant erosion of PPS. many more reasons if you read articles on it.
http://dividendmoney.com/stock-buybacks-who-benefits-the-most/
pre something for sure, and any talk of 120k one way or another only shows management the low expectations of shareholders. revenue vs compensation is way out of proportion, 120k is a fraction of compensation.