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I'm really starting to like you
I'm guessing this board is the one I could get in the most trouble on. Or do I have to phrase that in the form of a question?
Or does that question qualify this post as on topic? Or does that one? Heres a question. Did you remove my siggy because someone cried about it or are you just that touchy? I'm guessing one of your board gauleiters did it. He's taken the name of a mythical simian figure now. He was previously more regally named
Teamsters, Chicago Teamsters. But we don't do things that way any more. ;)
I will say it again, I have nothing but respect for you. You are honest and interesting. I'm the one who needs schooling. I have a problem relating my intentions and may come off as pendantic. You seem to be able to keep it light yet get your point across. I'm aggressive and confrontational. I think it come from being a labor negotiator
A simple one night look at the filings would have lead an honest person to consider the possibility that they would repeat the same pattern. They projected needing $800,000 with a maxed out share structure. They said they were going to use equity resourses to provide this money.
I'm sorry but Ray Charles could see this coming.
I didn't say they might do this or they might do that, I said exactly what they would do, I posted portions of the filings referring to this eventuality. I referred to previous press releases and the way they were used to generate a market to sell into. I will admit the A/S change is a new wrinkle, but I will reserve opinion until I read the facts in a filing. So far all I've seen is a post on a message board. Thats nothing
I know all about trading these "pigs" but if you are honest you will admit that there are newbies being taken advantage of on these boards, I just want to represent a reality, it is for myself, it helps me learn. I stated this was a form of research project for me, and I just want the right to express the facts as I see them. This is either an equal public forum or it isn't.
I should say what people want to hear, not what they need to hear. You don't have to respond. I was relating to Titan's current status. I have nothing but respect for you.
I guess I get a bit excited when people refuse to listen to an opposite opinion. Even if that's the opinion you should listen to the hardest.
I have been restricted on the vtpi board because I was in conflict with the pump and dump being orchestrated.
Now that I have been proven correct in my presentation of the reality I remain grieviously offended by the support they received from IHUB in preparing a onesided, misleading,and blatently false image of the facts as they related to the company and their actions. One participant even changed his screen name I believe in an attempt to disguise his participation. Any reference to this name change made by me or others were quickly removed, even though I simply asked if I could effect the same kind of change.
It is just wrong that they are allowed to take advantage of niave forum users and prevent an open honest representation of the facts. Newbies come to these boards desperate for help and cooperation and instead they are raped.
No one was willing to step up and debate or discuss like a man
Much easier to just present a deceptive,biased, environment
This type of trading is little better than theft in my opinion.
I will say this, it was very well done, they used every trick I have ever seen.
"it is the biggest pump and dump messageboard on the net"
I couldn't agree more
It's pointless for me to try to post anymore. This forum (not this board) is not interested in open debate and discussion. It is totally agenda related and onesided. They allow blatently false posts but not facts. IHub sucks.
The seller is and always has been the company themselves. Since they can issue themselves shares for nothing more than the cost of the registration fee, what difference does it make what price they sell at? You might notice my posts missing something. I've been punished. People have no sense of humor.
1000 share paintjob eod
Prediction,
The next news you hear from this company will be the filing for the next reverse split
IMHO
If I'm a dummy or not still seems to be unproven
Vtpi
The bottom fell out
Well actually nothing so dramatic, it's just drifting around as the pumpers work the board to unload.
I think the last huhrah is on the horizon
Plain to see this party is over.
Pump and Dump
Your right, nothing but pumpers left
I got your pm and that's totally cool. I just thought you would like to check it out. It's like trying to put out a burning car with a single bucket of water anywhoo. It's just gonna have to burn it self out. It will
VTPI.ob
It's a total share machine, it's all they've ever sold. $800,000 to run a business that made 10K Currently using shares to buy a private company from the CEO, just like they bought the dregs from Turk in the beginning. These guys found a way to unload their own companies on the public and the suckers are queing up. When the pump started after the latest fluff pr I tried to post a bit of background but my posts were just deleted by the mod. If you searce the history you can see some were restored but now I'm restricted until I request a review. I would rather eat my own waste than ask these people for anything. I was interfering with an orchestrated pump. and the mod was the maestro
I am only allowed 3 posts a day on the vtpi board
The posters on the board are all excited about the float being maxed out. that fact is a result of the company issueing themselves 65 million shares as pay.
Their last filing states
"We believe we will need to raise capital of approximately $300,000 to $350,000 through either debt or equity instruments to fund our operations for the next 12 months. However, we may not be successful in raising the necessary capital to fund our operations. In addition to the amounts needed to fund our operations, we will need to generate an additional $500,000 to cover our current liabilities for the next 12 months."
They have used the 100 mill auth. shares already
As of December 3, 2009, the Issuer had 30,455,187 shares of common stock issued and outstanding
Capital stock; $0.0001 par value;
100,000,000 shares authorized,
That leaves 69,544,813
They registered 65,000,000
leaves them
4,544,813
What do you guess they are gonna do
These pump sites are so deceptive and capable of omission in their statements. The first one you posted
http://stockreads.com/Stock-Newsletter.aspx?id=19713
Say's "This summer the stock traded in the .20s"
They fail to mention that price is the result of a reverse split effective June 22 2009
The price was in no way a result of stock trading activity or company fundamentals
It was the result of a 1/100 reverse split.
However the deceptive pump sites keep that tidbit to themselves
Scottrade will allow you to place an order and not have it reflected on either bid or ask if that is your wish.
It is an option of their advanced order page, only requires a
click of a tab. You could place either a buy or sell of millions of shares and it will not be shown
Here's some words that I hope never cross my lips
"cooperated freely with the FBI" ......LOL
It may be dangerous but it's sop for IHub
VTPI, it's been pumped to the max over the last two weeks
Some of S. Turks old friends
The board pumper crew is trying to prop it up but it has fallen quite a bit from the high it hit on the couple of fluff prs they released. PSC was tweeting the promotion according to the board Someones holding the bag on a lot of shares, but they're all averaging down and loading up. cursing the mms. you know the usual crap. I hope they can all exit with their shorts before the next reverse split.
Oh yeah there is I just found it
MTRO: 250,000 shares free trading by Third Party
It's on their disclaimer
unless thats still there from a previous pump. You know of vtpi,vtlp. The company Turk sold his baby product business to. The company that Turk was bankrolling with convertible debt financing. They just went through a pump cycle. went from .004 to .019 and back to .005. The message board pumper crew was eluding to psc tweets. The employee benefits package (they have 2 employees)of 65 million shares was sold into the pump with a couple of fluff pr's. Now the IHub message board is attempting to prop it up with buying. I can't guess how successful they will be but someone is holding the bag on a lot of shares. Any attempts to post information other than "the train is leaving the station" crap was promptly dealt with by the moderator with the full cooperation of Ihub admin. According to vtpi's filings they need $800,000 to run their business next year. So far they make about $10k revenue before costs, which are almost all administrative, and share selling related.
These guys are relentless and skillful. it is nothing new.
Is psc pumping this? they've pumped vital products lately. these two are connected. birds of a feather
I was wondering, I understand the low float theory, and the effect it can have on a stock price, but what do you guys think is gonna draw in buyers to this stock now that the company has promoted and sold their shares. The pumping on this message board can only do so much. Maybe you should all get together and buy some more promtion. I think the company is gonna get quiet now. They made their money.
Gee I posted these numbers a day or so ago http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=45924205
The response was that I don't know what I'm talking about
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=45924857
MAYBE IF I POST ALL IN CAPS PEOPLE WILL PAT ME ON THE BACK AND GIVE ME SOME RAH RAH POSTS
I won't wait for it to happen though :)
I think it's all in how you spin the numbers
I actually would rather be accurate than liked
I did get your pm but I wasn't posting about the stock you asked about. Different one
I have made it public that I've never owned the stock to which you refer. I have lost on pump and dumps just not this particular one. I have been quite honest in my posting and I seem to have offended the "Train is leaving the station" crowd.
I don't think you can honestly question my level of knowledge. I know it was a play last week by the pump and dump crew. The newbies get left holding the bag.
I have every right to post a negative opinion or fact if I choose.
It is my opinion that they will do another reverse, they have never sold anything other than shares. They will file with the SEC before it is made public. anyone holding shares will be made to pay. This is my honest opinion
If you can find 1 post of mine concerning that company that was misleading,dishonest,or inaccurate, link to it on that board and I will publicly admit to my disreputable nature. I will patiently wait. If you can't then be a man and fess up. That is my wager
I did not question your knowledge
Credit to littlet on another board for this find
Remember the SeaBox shelving
http://www.seabox.com/v3/catalog/parts/
Click on the pdf to see the wonder ful product line :)
Would you like to make some kind of wager as to who knows what he is talking about and who dosen't?
Exactly my point, it can't stay small and provide the money they say they need.
Unless the do another reverse and start the clock again. If they do reverse they will do it then pr it.
If someone else has some better insight or an alternative I'm sure it would be welcomed by the posters here.
I wonder what the $500,000 in current liabilities is for.
Is it for the completion of the Den acquistion?
Anyone have any guess
This is my question
If according to the most recent filing
As of December 3, 2009, the Issuer had 30,455,187 shares of common stock issued and outstanding
And they have
Capital stock; $0.0001 par value;
100,000,000 shares authorized,
That leaves 69,544,813
They registered 65,000,000
Which anyone who is being honest will have to admit were most probably sold into the recent pr blitz, leaves them
4,544,813
They also said that
We believe we will need to raise capital of approximately $300,000 to $350,000 through either debt or equity instruments to fund our operations for the next 12 months. However, we may not be successful in raising the necessary capital to fund our operations. In addition to the amounts needed to fund our operations, we will need to generate an additional $500,000 to cover our current liabilities for the next 12 months
That $800,000on the lean end
Thats roughly 133,333,333shares at .006 if they are unable to borrow the money against the business.
Where are those gonna come from?
The day may have ended green however the majority of trades were sells over a ratio of two to one
Buys 2,157,999
Sells 5,855,412
Including a 2,000,000 share dump at @.oo5 at 2.40
There seemed to be a bit of buying at the end of the day, but not a signifigent amount
Please dont be offended by the siggy. I was playing at home and seeing if I could post the pic. you can delete it if it bothers you but it's not about you at all
good luck with that
Let's come back down to earth, this is not a pinksheet stock
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/symbol.asp?issues=AllOTCBB&searchby=symbol&searchfor=vtpi&searchwith=starting&x=34&y=9
The full transparency you value so much is a requirement of their listing.
and it has come fairly close to .0001 previous to this most current pr prompted share dispersal
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=VTPI&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p70182889740
Why would someone read SEC filings, when you can just read a message board for your info
It is my opinion that this board may need a counter to the pumping is my point.
I don't want to get off topic, I feel my post was very informative an on topic, but who cares if you made money.
I care what the company is doing, is that alright with you?
I'm not sure there are that many fish left this time, but I've been wrong.
There will be a lot of people waiting to get back to even