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Good one Boilingman.. There is no way that the changes with Bromage and Vance are anything negative when all of the other factors are considered... The positives may not reveal themselves immediately but there is no way this is a negative.
Probably a smart move since it will allow sufficient time for incorporating LiquidMetal on a much larger scale. He must have a lot of confidence in LiquidMetal... Think about how many other companies may be having the same thoughts due to the recent validation that is occurring. When the tide turns .... the tidal waves will begin everywhere. Has your livelihood and investments been in a competing industry by chance that will be loosing lots of market share due to this new industry?
I know you must be kidding since the size of the market / new industry that is currently underway is just a very tiny fraction of the overall market size and demand that will evolve and require far more participants .... which is a good thing not a bad thing. As the zillion dollar market size grows there will be an exorbitant amount of opportunities for new business and new money.
That is exactly the way it works until the infrastructure is far enough along to give the early adopters the comfort level they need to begin making purchases and begin placing reorders which oftentimes requires depth of providers etc ... Along the way there is only a few million variables that have to come together to begin the whale rollouts so I am sure you would have been able to navigate things much better had you been in charge ...... but regardless ..... at this point a 15 year could probably connect the dots in seeing that there is validation taking place....
That is some good stuff right there. The Negative Nellies will never catch on to those kinds of straight-forward, very clear narratives.
Yep.... the validation is all around us that the Home Stretch is underway.
Good one 'RightThere'
Exactly .. the real loosers will be those who try to resist the evolution of this new material and industry. There will be exponential surges in activity as the early adopters start re-ordering with larger commitments.... and once this type of 'clear consensus' begins to be validated the tide will start turning almost overnight (compared to the 20+ years of trial and error that it has taken to get to this point)..... and then everybody starts trying to get thru the door at the same time....and everyone who was educated at the ground floor like those on these boards will be reflecting on things and realizing that the perfect time to buy the stock for the most explosive appreciation was just before or at the time that the 'early adopters' started re-ordering.
Exactly ...... and of course everything that has always taken place was always done with erase-able ink... so whoever are the best liars is going to be what determines who actually owns the rights to everything, and who owns the most stock and what the price will ultimately be. These things have already been decided in writing.
And that is why it is very prudent to hang out on a message board 24/7 when you are convinced of those type things.. Pretty hilarious stuff. I like Football so I am going to find some sites that hate football and start hanging out there 24/7.
Exactly... and it seems many posters are getting very nervous about a big move fairly soon. Lots of time being spent trying to scare people away. Wonder why.
But I think both of us agree that nobody would care at that point in time because the LQMT stock price would be far north of where it is now.....
So it is your opinion that Apple would rather wait another 5 or 10 years when Liquidmetal becomes a household term and then tell everybody they were smart for following the crowd ..... versus being perceived as an innovator???
Much Agreed; Connecting Dots has never been easier with such great, informative and dedicated posters as those people.... plus a few others that everyone is aware of (that deserve the same recognition but happened to not be mentioned).
That is some very logical dot connecting right there that fits with Li's integrity and even bringing back TC who he can trust with the level of Confidentiality that is required by the whales and the things they MUST keep to themselves for as long as possible. Confidentiality is oftentimes the leverage that a small company needs for gaining tremendous advantages.
Hilarious.. by next week they may be saying the material is a facade.
>"Good news for the technology and the maze does not immediately transfer to us and if it did we would have already heard about it right?"<
Not necessarily, not always, not automatic... oftentimes not prudent in their situation... If they are expecting to provide the Shareholders and themselves with the best returns.... oftentimes they MUST (at this point) look out for the company and Confidential Info first... and the shareholders second. Again... it all goes back to whether you believe Li is a person of integrity... And then the other question is.... if you were him wouldn't you want to diversify any risks as much as possible? And when the new industry begins to really ramp up.... if you were him.... wouldn't you want as many paths to revenue as possible, whatever those paths might be? It could be that they feel that the more silent they are right now ...the more of an exponential hedge they are gaining in many areas. That is a great trade-off.
Exactly Awesome!!!
I guess we are speaking of two different aspects. I am grateful that a new industry is being borne and we are part of a very tiny percentage of the world population that knows about the incredible capabilities of this new material...... and a lot of great research is being provided by several posters that confirms this new industry is rapidly accelerating towards acceptance by the whales of the world. And regardless where LQMT fits into that puzzle.... as long as they maintain their credibility (which oftentimes means keeping your mouth shut).... they will be participating in this new industry.... and when they are able to make announcements the stock price will (almost certainly) be many multiples of where it is now. So when you and others keep talking about announcements or filings etc that they have not made yet.... I don't ever recall them making a promise to shareholders that there would be certain announcements or filings made by a certain date..
Of course I was not referring to that... and just saying that although they may be aware of things to come.... there are lots and lots of variables and delays and setbacks and this or that which could prevent anyone from making an official announcement and beyond that if they were not to be part of the official announcement.... anybody can see that a new industry is being borne so as long as it is not all one big scam ...then they will be in a position to reap some of those rewards.... and of course who knows what that will be. Just trying to reiterate the same simple stuff that others try to turn into a huge scam because LQMT cannot predict for its shareholders the exact time that Apple or anybody else will move forward with this new material. It is insane the lengths that people go to in order to create the appearance of some type of huge scam taking place.
Not following that remark... A good amount of products and pieces of the puzzle to any product or service offering so to speak (whether offered globally or otherwise) are oftentimes outsourced overseas.... but sold by US Based companies ....... so are you saying that it must be 100% verified that every spec of the product evolution from start to finish / delivery must be totally void of any participation of any country except the US?... Just seriously asking this question ... even though it may be a dumb ass question....
Like others who are keeping tabs on this new industry.... I don't think I am surprised by the lack of Insider Buying because I cannot rightly expect any certain milestones to have been reached at this point. Each week I get the feeling that the size of the overall market potential and the general awareness is growing exponentially based on the many advantages of this new material.... so in the meantime that is a very good 'trade-off' as I see it.... because I feel that the more this continues the better the foundation or opportunity will be for the greater stock price multiples to occur once there is some news or insider buying that is indicative of something really meaningful. It seems when new industries are being borne the dynamics and variables are incredibly complex so there is probably not very many including insiders who can time things that well .... which also means that when you have an opportunity to be an 'outsider' that is fortunate enough to be aware that this new industry is being borne.... then I would much rather be part of the few percent who are way, way too early ....than the masses that are going be too late... and because they are too late they will probably have to wait 10 or 15 years to get the same kind of returns that we will get when we are selling all or portions of our holdings to them ... There is confirmation that this massive new industry is being borne and almost certainly wont be aborted .....but none of us know the term of pregnancy yet (not even the insiders) .....so I just stay happy that I am able to be part of the small percentage that knows there is a birth in process.
If you are referring to CD being me as back-pedaling I am not sure which language your interpreter is using because what I said was the same I have stated previously in response to certain posters attacking and drawing conclusions that are not based on logic or reason..... and just basically assumptions and conspiracy theories etc. (that doom and gloomers like to promote)... The point being that just because LQMT is not spewing all the empty 'rah rah' news etc does not mean there is not some really significant progress that has been made (but cannot officially be announced)... And with a stock like this when there is something significant that can be reported ........then it could be that it will cost the new buyers 10x what is being paid right now...
That is a good post hank [(leaving off the handsome until some images are provided as proof ] .... however the whales will never adopt this new industry unless and until they feel extremely confident or even certain that there are multiple paths and channels for very large scale global implementations etc...... and none of them are going to move forward unless and until they feel assured there are multiple ways to navigate things and they want to be assured they can switch gears or paths without much disruption or chaos etc in the event they feel they have selected the wrong path / providers initially.... or they get into a dispute etc with their 1st choice path ....Some might even have a tendency to want to have several different active channels as a hedge so they don't put all of their eggs in one basket... (if it is at all feasible since I am not a materials guy and can't properly discern this aspect).. Of course all of this requires a very extensive infrastructure and verification process that there are indeed multiple paths for a smooth corporate adoption once they decide to issue the first purchase order....A lot of this has been taking place the last several years. Since these are very shrewd buyers behind these kinds of decisions and they are not likely to overlook anything..... they will never put themselves in a situation of not having 'an out' and will not pull the trigger until they have all of these type of details and multiple paths verified in advance.....In short, I don't believe any purchases would ever take place if there is only one path such as the 'China path' that keeps being referred to. The 'early adopters' take pride in being the first... but they also take take pride in getting it right the first time by always having their 'checklist' close by.... and multiple outs and sources / means of implementation is at the top of that list. With an industry and market this large I would guess that they want to feel really comfortable of at least 3 or 4 paths and then once the re-orders start occurring by the early adopters ALL the 'whales of the world' will be trying to get thru the door at the same time and billions and billions and billions will be going in every direction to ALL of the paths that have maintained their credibility... even those who are at the bottom of the list.
Hey Almost,
What day was the Joshua post on Reddit. I didn't see it at first glance so I was thinking maybe it is one of the links he posted...
Thanks
Yes and why would someone like Li with an impeccable reputation spend several years creating a scam ?? From what I understand he has a big conscience that doesn't let him stray away from a focus of honesty and integrity. Somebody like that will never cave in to deception or deceiving others regardless of the money involved because a clear conscience is worth far more than billons to someone like that .... (and of course these principles are incomprehensible to those who only care about money). Sometimes to understand the actions and inactions and others you must first understand their values and their perspectives. Has anyone taken the time to investigate that??? You can influence some people with just a few hundred dollars and others will not be wrongly influenced by billions..... Thus, in this situation you just have to be right about the persons conscience .....and what REALLY motivates them ...... and there lies the answer to everything. Many have bashed TC for being crooked and that is very wrong without knowing all the facts and details. And it may very well be that a very important customer or strategic alliance wants to work with TC at the helm and that would speak volumes for his skillset. The biggest issue I see is 99% of the population has no understanding of what it takes to pioneer even a simple product.... let alone a massive emerging industry such as this.... And of course ALL of the competitors to this new technology are on this board and many others constantly bashing and hoping this new class of materials never gets wings.
Li is still the top dog and I feel his Integrity and the respect others have for him around the world is why LQMT has great opportunities ahead for participating in this emerging industry... TC may not make sense to those who got upset by what he did.... and of course it reflects badly on him ... but we don't know the whole story, and for example..... maybe there is a large customer or strategic alliance that prefers to work through TC and it could be a critical stepping stone that precedes something else in the works. I am just basically saying that if nobody has been able to come up with any credibility issues or dishonesty with Li, then Li probably knows best...
I am not a materials guy but maybe that agreement helped greatly towards incentivizing 106 .... I feel that when people operate with a clear conscience things do tend to fall in place for them ...... With (extra) rewards that are consistent with the length of the journey, the size of the battles..... and the intensity of behavior that is committed to keeping a clear conscience. It is very hard to knock those kind of people 'off course'.... They know they deserve the rewards one way or another and the rewards will gravitate to them like a magnet.
I think you missed my point. All humans have a conscience (and so the thought process can stop there versus 'religious beliefs') and therefore if anyone believes that past experiences prove Li to have a strong conscience then it is almost certain to mean that we are in good hands and if you believe the opposite then you should not be in the stock. Very simple.
OK I agree with that to a certain extent....... but what if some of these things are being re-negotiated due to extra leverage LQMT has acquired / navigated etc... I think it boils down to this.. Does Li's past dealings prove that he is a person who keeps a clear conscience about things ......and if the answer is yes then you can bet more of your dollars that there will be a huge jump upward in price at some point in the not too distant future (based on the things we are seeing all around us)... And if your answer is no.... then the opposite will occur. I don't think a conscience is something that has an 'in between' and this is the reason the Bible tells us that there is no in-between. You either end up in Heaven or Hell. So if you feel Li is going to hell then jump out. If you feel Li is going to Heaven then stay in. That is how I size up a lot of my business decisions in situations such as this...
Disagree..... none of us know what they are in the midst of ... and a smart, savvy navigator in these type of situations will never want to show their hand unless they have ALL the necessary leverage points etc aligned and addressed... so again it is easy to sit back and say they should be doing this or that. Those who understand the dynamics involved would probably be applauding them for not blowing smoke about nonsense and keeping their mouth shut until they do have something that they can share. Staying power for a small company like this is not just about having money in the bank.... it is also about knowing when to speak and not to speak.
So are you assuming that other 'tech players' will not have to go through decades of the same trial & error that comes with any pioneering efforts that would be on the same scale as this.... So pioneering certain new industries (not just a new product) happens overnight basically while others take decades.... I wonder why everyone doesn't just choose to pioneer the ones that happen overnight. I guess Apple and all these other conglomerates feel it is more prudent to spend their time chasing after the technologies that take decades...
Agreed... And it seems finding ways to quietly build this type of leverage, relationships, knowhow etc along with the navigation expertise is probably more important than anything else when pioneering an entirely new industry. Sort of like a chess game and not wanting to telegraph next moves etc. I don't feel the problem is with what LQMT is doing. It seems the problem is only with investors that do not understand the massive undertaking that comes with pioneering a new industry and decades of added learning curves that are to be expected even with the brightest minds in the world at the wheel. The mountain of variables they are confronted with on a regular basis is like trying to correctly align zillions of moving targets that have no history or predictability.
And the same question goes both ways.... the insiders are not selling either. When the 'early adopters' (who pride themselves on being early adopters) start buying..... the global adoption will not be too far behind ..... and then everybody will be trying to get through the door at the same time .....and that is when everyone becomes surprised at how fast things can happen. The infrastructure and awareness of the material advantages seems to be accelerating nicely.
That was a fair post...... but people who have never pioneered an industry before let alone a product have no idea why there is a great need to keep your mouth shut about everything literally .... so if you believe in the new industry that definitely is moving forward ......and you believe in the company you are invested in as part of that new industry then it would be time to buy ... not sell based on the knowledge that you are equipped with. Otherwise you would would be selling for certain.... logic never fails ultimately ....and most of all a clear conscience never fails .....so if you gain an understanding of what it is like to pioneer an industry (let alone a product) and you use that perspective as a foundation for either believing or disbelieving that those at LQMT have a clear conscience about what they are doing, what they are keeping private and why they have a reason to share limited information ......then you will either be/stay on board or bail out... or keep gathering information until you feel certain one way or the other .... but personally I just don't see any connected dots that imply this has all been a huge scam. I see plenty of connected dots that this is a company that can make lots of people very rich if they believe in the technology and the LQMT team ........and I see connected dots that the ONLY reason shareholders are disappointed is that LQMT HAS NO CHOICE but to keep certain things extremely private if they intend to reward shareholders appropriately.
So since we know Li is always just looking out for himself with the big salaries etc that he takes ...... it was most convenient for him to also arrange the ASM at midnight China time?
Good one Almosthere. I feel the 8 cents is very low considering all factors and the size of the market. This is what emerging markets / technologies are all about. If you want to get 10x or 20x or 50x your money... who cares if you must wait 10 years (unless you auctioned your house to do that). Point being ..... nobody can legitimately bash unless LQMT either goes bankrupt or ends up being a scam (which I would say there are no 'dots connected' that have EVER indicated that). Nobody promised ____ returns per year. The only implied promise was that they were trying to create a new industry. If those who have never tried to pioneer a new industry (let alone a new product) only understood what it takes to accomplish these objectives they would understand AND APPRECIATE the silence (and even the delays and setbacks) and they would either stick with the gameplan or they would just go buy Apple or Amazon stock. It is really pretty simple formula. You either don't understand and you move on or you educate yourself and stay right where you are. If you believe in the new industry... then as far as I am concerned each delay or setback just means a much greater buying opportunity and return on investment. Nothing better than that unless you and your family are living on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. It is all about perspective.
In my pioneering efforts we had the same exact scenario where a Company took my Trademark (4 Federal Trademarks) with two common words combined (with no spaces) and they started trying to use the same two words with a space in between and I sued and won and was awarded damages accordingly. This was US Trademarks .....same trademark in 4 different classes.
Maybe an analogy is like a disgruntled Tesla investor complaining and saying show me where they have put Spacecraft on Mars and why isn't Elon Musk already living there like he said was going to happen. It is true that the prior LQMT management wasted many years by not knowing what they were doing.....but I don't feel you can say that about Li.... and with the magnitude and monumental task of creating a whole new industry.... it is amazing to me that you can't spend your time looking at the bright side versus what you don't see... Just because you don't see it does not mean it is not going to be seen...
Pretty funny stuff.... except when you have an IQ of 10 or less and don't understand the dots that are being connected.