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I'm still here too...
DG2Aussie,
You are hilarious...
You tell Bob "I don't have much stomach for people that come up with "mysterious" knowledge from dreamed up "sources."
So what do you do? You post it on RB. WHY???
After all, those who do that are "trying to make themselves more important to a board." (Can you remember who said that?)
Zombie, do you have a specific question? Maybe someone here knows the answer to it.
AL, because it will be so expensive to build the KDS6000, do not expect to see it build until there is either an order or some kind of major cash infusion.
So the construction could begin next week or next year. Also remember that because it is still on the drawing board, it will take like 6 months for it to be done from the time they start. That’s probably why they can’t or don’t want to answer your question.
LOL, although Canada is in the north, and I am very close to the US border, does that still make me a Yankee?
OT. Gary, ...thanks for the offer.
It's nice to know I have friends down south.
All the best...
HockeyDoc, sounds wonderful.
Now I just have to chisel the car tires off the driveway and get down to you.
OT: Local TV station just announced that tonight's temperature will hit -19, and it will feel like -44 with the wind chill factor. You'd think that I lived near the artic circle or something. Can any one down south spare a room for 3 or 4 months? How about a hammock between two palm trees? LOL.
Thank you bob.
I was beginning to formulate some conspiracy theories. LOL.
My posts are not always positive but I try to provide accurate information for all to use. I hope that in the long run that is more useful then hype.
LOL, I'm saving my cash for more FASC shares. LOL
Yup 10-Z, I think the Pump Police got me. LOL
Thanks Chambers.
PS. I can read private messages but can't send them with my free subscription. So I'll post public replies unless you email me.
Any idea why my post #1237 is missing? It was there an hour ago. Did someone not like the contents?
To all longs, just want you to know that the recent rumor about AP deal for 4 machines is absolutely NOT true.
Some of you may find this interesting...
http://www.repp.org/articles/static/1/1004994679_6.html
Thanks Tenzzi,
You never stop digging, do you?
Hope Cal has something up his sleeve...
There has been a lot of action on RB the last couple of days. Maybe we fried it. LOL
Correct TR. Well done.
AGES must feel pretty good about their situation at Atlantic to openly invite ANYONE to bring their sample and see it run.
Do you think that the KDS would still be there (using up AP's resources, space, and time) if things didn't go well? Not me. I think AP will buy the AGES systems eventually. They just seem to iron out a few wrinkles.
Great marketing IMO!!!
(PS. TR email me if you can...)
Pop quiz:
What's new on this page: www.ages-biomass.com
WyoInvestor, I agree, and congrats to your son. That is a significant accomplishment!
Thank you all for the kind words. What I personally like, although it might seem like it is a bad thing, is the fact that there are 21 improvements. Specifically this section:
"Data collected from the trials has exposed area that can be enhanced in the design of the full size production machine. AGES has identified 21 such areas for performance improvement which will result in significant improvement in the moisture removal efficiency of the KDS6000 production machine, and better control of particulate size. These trials have now allowed AGES to offer its clients performance guarantees."
Although it makes the existing machine seem faulty, it sure creates great expectations for the KDS-6000. Imagine how well the KDS will work if each one of those improvements works.
Now they just have to build one...soon!!!
You're welcome guys. Anytime.
As promised...I'll try posting news here first for you good people to enjoy (before the vultures at RB)
ATLANTIC UPDATE ON AGES WEBSITE !!!
http://www.ages-biomass.com/update_atlantic_trials.htm
Summary of Results from AGES Demonstration KDS Trials at
Atlantic Packaging, Whitby, Ontario.
Project: Mechanical dewatering and disintegration of de-inking sludge.
After completing trials at Simoneau, Boucherville, in December 2002, the demonstration KDS machine was delivered to Atlantic Packaging, Whitby, Ontario, Canada. Installation took place during January and February 2003.
Objectives of the trials are to evaluate performance of the demonstration KDS in a normal production environment, including:
· Ability to reliably dewater de-inking sludge
· Ability to control moisture content and production rates
· Prove continuous operation of the KDS
· Evaluate impact of extended runs on the KDS components
· Evaluate suitability of KDS to Atlantic’s application
· Collect data for the design of KDS-6000 production model
To allow for unsupervised operation, the KDS machine has been upgraded with a sensor and monitoring package that integrates the following into a brand new AGES safety and controls package:
· Operation of the entry and discharge rotary valves
· Operation of the feed, recycle and discharge conveyors
· Temperatures of the KDS chamber and the cyclone
· Pressure of the KDS chamber and the cyclone
· Position of the material charge damper
· Current draw of the main motor
· Vibration on the main drive
In addition, the AGES software has been upgraded to incorporate each of these sensed functions into a comprehensive alarm and safety package. On going PLC and data logging work is focussed on appropriate data collection and referencing the machine operating conditions with the sample collection system. The machine has operated since these modifications with only limited supervision. Finally, another AGES software package has been added that enables the machine to maximize production for any given charged material. This part of the program is now complete.
AGES has demonstrated that the KDS does not require a dedicated operator provided that the safety and control systems are integrated with a local DCS package.
The first dry powder was produced from belt press material on February 26th and the first real production run was completed on March 6th 2003. Early efforts were hampered due to the non-availability of the drier screw press material. Only belt-press material was available which contains 75-80% moisture. Since then it has been confirmed that the optimal input moisture content for the demonstration KDS is 45-55%. Nonetheless, during this period AGES demonstrated that the machine could be set up to reliably process material derived directly from the belt press. On March 27, 2003, a recycle conveyor was installed to enable more reliable operation with belt press material by mixing the dry product with the wet feed. When screw-press material became available, its moisture content varied between 47-67%over the course of the trials.
Results to October 9th 2003.
As of October 8th 2003 the KDS has operated for over 250 hours. Trials included continuous runs in 24, 16, 8, 6 and 4-hour intervals. In all cases the machine ran without problems during the run and the KDS chamber, ductwork and bar assembly were clean and in good condition at the end of the run.
All original beater bars are still in operation in this KDS. Wear of these 4 beater bars was approximately 1% after 250 hours of operation. Recent data indicates that it would be safe to project a life of 2500 hours with this bar set for this material. A number of coatings and some high strength alloys are available to improve the surface abrasion resistance. There is no measurable wear on the baffles or on the striker plates inside the KDS chamber.
The beater bars life is extrapolated to be 3 months of continuous use based on conventional materials.
AGES have successfully controlled the product’s exit characteristics despite varying feed conditions, and have demonstrated the ability to produce predictable and consistent results.
A number of trials have been completed to determine that the product moisture content is controllable. The KDS has been set up to produce a moisture content varying by a few percent in the range of 5.5% - 30%. Moisture in the range 10% - 20% has so far proved to be the most easily achieved, and has in general provided the steadiest conditions. The lowest product moisture achieved was 4.7% at the expense of production rate.
The KDS chamber size for this material is 5 times smaller than the AGES production machine envisaged for 3 tons/hour feed rate. Therefore, much of the data collection has focussed on operations at roughly 800 – 1500 lb/hr. It has been determined that 2200 lb/hr is the practical limit for this material with the current demonstration machine. Highest production rate achieved with the demonstration KDS machine was 2700 lb/hr. This demonstration KDS consistently removed 600 - 800 lb. of water/hr. Best water removal rate has been 1050 lb/hr. The full size production machine (KDS-6000) is being designed to remove 3000 lb of water per hour.
Average power consumption is approximately 75kW and varied in the range of 70-90 kW (13-35 lb/min). The background load is about 60kW. These numbers correspond to approximately 85 kWh/ton (@ 50% moisture to 15%) of material being processed.
Material build-up in the KDS following high moisture trial exposes inefficiencies in the machine’s design, which will be enhanced in the AGES production size unit (KDS-6000). AGES have identified these necessary modifications.
Significant data has been collected on the interactions between vapour, water-droplets, and material passing through the system, which will be used to improve the moisture removal efficiency of the production machine.
Numerous tests have been carried out on the dry, processed sludge. The dry material was screened to separate the fibre from the fines. Original lab testing seemed to indicate that good fibre separation is possible using high frequency mechanical sieves. Samples viewed under the microscope seem to show relatively clean fibre, with little residual inorganic material adherent to the material. Tests are on going to further improve this separation. Separated material has been sent out to determine its suitability for combustion. The result was that the material passed combustion tests in Germany (LBE) and could be in fact burned unscreened. The residual ash will undergo a mass change of roughly 15% resulting in 35% unburned residual material based on ATSM testing procedures.
The reported calorific value of the sludge was 5200 Btu/lb based on 35% ash. AGES is projecting approximately 4000 Btu/lb based on 8% residual moisture and 50% ash in the product. Net benefit of the dry product from this type of sludge would be approximately 7MBtu/ton.
The actual ash has been measured in the range of 50% at the discharge of the KDS machine. The ash was reported to have a relatively low fusion point and it has therefore been determined to operate a slagging combustion chamber. The ash will be agglomerated and discharged as a loosely bound sinter. Testing is underway to determine the temperature at which this material will fuse and how consistent this fusion point is.
BBG Engineering has been independently hired by Atlantic Packaging to verify the AGES results.
Summary
Performance and reliability of KDS technology for processing de-inking sludge has been confirmed.
The KDS machine can be integrated with normal operations in the wastewater treatment plant.
AGES has confirmed the viability of the AGES True Total Recycling system for sludge applications.
AGES has acquired a far deeper understanding of the processes involved in the KDS technology.
AGES has demonstrated that the KDS can process both belt and screw pressed sludge materials.
Samples of material were collected and evaluated by 3rd parties.
Operational wear of the machine’s components has been evaluated, and operational life of the KDS has been determined for the purposes of in service guarantees.
Data collected from the trials has exposed area that can be enhanced in the design of the full size production machine. AGES has identified 21 such areas for performance improvement which will result in significant improvement in the moisture removal efficiency of the KDS6000 production machine, and better control of particulate size. These trials have now allowed AGES to offer its clients performance guarantees.
AGES is now prepared to enter into the marketing phase armed with the accumulated data to substantiate guarantees and performance claims.
We must express our appreciation to Dr Sundar Narayan Ph.D. and the rest of the FASC staff for their formidable contribution to our R&D effort. Also of mention are Dr John Black - Technical Consultant, and Tom Tokarczyk P.Eng. - Thermix Project Engineer. Of special mention, the Atlantic Packaging engineers and operating staff that were constantly available to help move our program forward.
So I guess that bobsnook66 can't be our "eyes and ears" at Calder after all.
First it was the video from AGES website, and now the whole KDS section is gone from the Thermix website. I guess it makes sense though because Thermix doesn't sell the KDS.
Is that near Calder Race Course, which I believe is in Dade County, Florida?
Congratulations Chambers! eom.
TR,
Not sure, but it could be either:
A) There is new better video coming
B) Something in there doesn't apply anymore (AP?, KDS6000?)
C) Something was shown that wasn't supposed to be (confidential?).
I4C6S
RL, the AGES video is no longer there.
From your post: http://www.ages-biomass.com/data/AGES-KDS.wmv
"10'a great news"...LOL...I like that.
NEWS about Zeolite...
First American Scientific Corp. (FASC - OTCBB) announces plans to build aproduction facility in Princeton, BC to produce micronized zeolite
VANCOUVER, Nov 24, 2003 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) -- Brian Nichols, President of First American Scientific Corp. (FASC) is pleased to announce that FASC has signed a joint venture agreement with Zeo-Tech Enviro Corp. (ZEO) and C2C Zeolite Corporation Ltd. (CZC) to build a production facility at Princeton BC for the micronizing of raw zeolite through the KDS Micronex System. The new product called "ZeoFume" will be used to supply product for CZC's existing contracts.
Under the agreement, a new company, United Zeolite Products Ltd. (UZP) will be formed with each party contributing equipment, raw materials, and contractual rights respectively. First American Scientific Corp. will own 1/3 of the outstanding shares of UZP and will manage the operation of the Princeton plant. All profits from the joint venture will be divided equally amongst the 3 parties.
Earlier this year, CZC announced its participation in the development of a new lightweight, zeolite-based oil well cementing system. FASC is pleased that its KDS Micronex has become part of that process. The UZP plant in Princeton is being constructed to supply "micronized" zeolite as the new process is commercialized.
Arrangements for construction of the plant and delivery of the equipment are now underway, with a target date to commence full operations in spring 2004. Further details will be announced as they become available.
Certain information and statements included in this release constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.
ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
C. Kantonen, Chairman
There goes the neighborhood...
I still think that it was a leak and we will get news soon.
I don't believe the dump theory either. No one in their right mind would be dumping right now. We are too close to a resolution. What’s the worse thing that can happen in the near future? 3 cents? Big deal! We have gone this far. On the other hand, a sale or two and this thing is 15 to 20 cents, or maybe even more…
rodrth, you might be right about the pressure building, but then again, if the product is not selling then will they really care if they have the license to it? Probably not.
Thermix and HQ were around (and doing well) before AGES, and I am sure they will still be there is the KDS doesn't work out. I think that if there are no sales, then unfortunately FASC has the most to lose. Just imagine the negative publicity if AGES was to fail…
Thanks 10-Z. eom.
Despite the fact that there is no news, there is a lot going on at both FASC and AGES. No one should assume that the lack of news means that everyone is sitting back and wasting time. They are all working hard to close deals!
The wait for orders and PRs sure is disconcerting ... but probably not as disconcerting as it must be for those at FASC and AGES.
Oops,
Sorry about all those spelling mistakes.
successsful=successful
persued=pursued
All that is true, but if the product has a potential, then I believe that its success is dependant on the people who are selling it. Even a weak product under the right people can be made successsful. On the other hand, the best idea is wasted if it is not persued properly.
IMO . . . poor economy, lack of funding, no track-record, etc, are all valid excuses, but for the right people they are just small speed-bumps on the way to success.
I think that we are now passing those last few speed-bumps!
Chambers52,
I didn't know that about the right to kick off people.
This might work then.
Jagman,
I think there is way too much garbage being posted on RB. The bashers are out of control and unfortunately even some longs are getting sucked into arguments. What bothers me the most is how untruthful the bashers are about the state of things and how they keep bringing up the past, but I guess that this is their way of sucking us into more arguments. They want chaos and they get it. I really can’t believe how bad RB has become…
About using this board only, my fear is that if everyone moves here then so will the bashers and then we are back to where we started. I found this board because it was posted on RB, so the bashers must know it exists too. FWIW, I plan to post any of my findings here first.
BTW, are there other FASC boards besides these two?
Finally I have to give credit to the likes of Tech, TR, 10-Z, 2Juggs, chambers, etc, for keeping the bashers in check. Without them RB would have been dead long ago. I think the company owes you a big “Thank You” for defending it’s reputation.
All the best and I4C6S.