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Thanks, Clone. Let her run...
Walrus, if I was a moderator…
I would put your writing as a sticky above. Nothing gets past you.
Great overview, Coolhand.
Seems like we didn’t have what it takes…
The presenters of late seemed that January’s CSpace enhancement would suffice for fed/gov improvement funding. They didn’t buy it for whatever reasons. Consequently, a new approach… a redirection, as we are told.
So who’s going to design and put the finishing touches on our display space once we tidy our house?
The horse replies…
“Oh… I just heard that some guy said my share price was in the toilet. Give me a beer, barkeep, and keep ’em comin’.”
From Page F-8, June 30, 2015 10-Q…
Since April 20, 2002, the Company has entered into a number of SRA’s with the University of Oklahoma (“OU”) as follows:
The SRA also amended the previously existing agreements between the Company and OU such that all intellectual property, including all inventions and or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, developed before July 28, 2008 by OU under the SRA is owned by OU. All intellectual property, including all inventions and/or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, developed jointly by the Company and OU at any time is jointly owned by the Company and OU. Finally, all intellectual property developed by the Company after July 28, 2008, including all inventions and or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, is owned by the Company.
From Page 4
CSpace Patents are as follow: On December 28, 2010, USPTO approved the pending patent called “Light Surface Display for Rendering a Three-Dimensional Image,” and issued the United States Patent No. 7,858,913. On August 21, 2012, the USPTO approved a continuation patent called “3D Volumetric Display” and issued the US Patent No. 8,247,755. On December 13, 2011, USPTO approved a continuation patent called “3D Light Surface Display,” and issued the US Patent No. 8,075,139. On July 31, 2013, 3DIcon filed provisional patent called “Ultra High-Resolution Volumetric Three-Dimensional Display,” (US patent application serial No. 61859145).
All of the above CSpace Patents have a date later than July 28, 2008, thus “owned by the Company.”
Perhaps an argument could be made concerning joint ownership should OU had a hand in the development of the IP since July 28, 2008, otherwise, it is understood that 3DIcon owns CSpace Patents.
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=68183717
“…buy when the market is selling…”
Since June 8, we’ve had 19 red days of trading and 45 black days of trading between .0010 and .0008 with a few exceptions within that 13-weeks. Seems like the going price for anticipated news since May 26, good or bad.
Looks like the money flow is sufficient, currently oversold but no extravagance. Bollinger Bands flattened out as well as the 50SMA. Looks sideways to me! Accumulation… you think? Look at your chart! You decide!
Regardless, it’s going to break one way or the other, sooner or later.
Bottom line: You can praise or criticize this ride all you want but you’re either onboard, or you’re not. Your choice.
BOOMER!
I didn’t!
Obviously, you missed the point.
Oh, and silence is good sometimes.
It’s as simple as this…
The whereabouts of Hakki. CSpace is going nowhere without Hakki.
If he’s at the OU/Tulsa lab during the business day, we more than likely have some sort of an agreement with somebody. If he’s not, we have no agreement, thus no news, only continued silence.
To me, the waiting game involves the all-important display partner. We apparently haven’t proven ourselves… and funding demands it.
Thus the frustration.
We’re on hold.
Good question, your guess is good as mine…
NDA would be my answer, though. A degree of success with technology development may be required prior to a public announcement. Company reputation is paramount.
You tell me why the 3-month silence.
Chemi, here’s another analysis in a nutshell…
Projected federal funding in 2014 didn’t affect SCHOTT North America in its decision to divvy up monies to create a new subsidiary to help develop CSpace. They apparently wanted a cut in its potential… regardless of its uncertain future at the time.
We know that our optimum image space maturity is on hold. But why? Yeah, yeah, I know. Federal funding… is the accepted and standard answer. But!
What about a display partner to mature our image space in the interim? Why wait on anticipated funding? We’ve got work to do! Listen, that optical engineering firm will be taking the same gamble as SCHOTT did… and he knows it! We have nothing more than disruptive innovation in-waiting. He just wants to be a part of its future. And I bet he’s got a good idea of what that future may bring.
And I would imagine that news of a 3-way JDA would work wonders with our PPS while we wait out funding news… this year, or next.
I’ll fire up those drums Playman…
when I know that Hakki’s at the OU/Tulsa lab instead of his ma & pa operation over on Harvard. Then I’ll do my best John Bonham rendition of Stairway to Heaven that you’ve ever heard.
I’m ready to play.
I’d like to know…
which office Hakki’s commuting to each morning… the one at Skelly & Harvard (OPTECKS) or the one at 43rd & Yale (OU/Tulsa lab). He’s either working with Badia at their place or hopefully with George, Mark and whomever on the last leg of CSpace.
Who says we have to have federal funding? Yeah I know, Vic did and a few other Company bigwigs. But that didn’t stop the newly-created SCHOTT Defense to say to us “Who the heck needs taxpayer money? We’ve got our own stashed away for just what you’ve got – technology that is potentially disruptive! We like the challenge – that’s why we were created! Just look at our name – we’re not named “Defense” for nothing! But most importantly – and you remember this! We have contacts inside that vast mysterious complex of military industry; we know our way around that place and we know how to play their game. So listen, we’ll supply the glass expertise but you find the crew who will put the sparkle in the space that they’re looking at – and on their dime. That’s all we ask. Together, we can make this thing work.”
Hopefully, we found the display giant’s subordinate and Hakki’s leading their crew, along with SCHOTT’s, working on the CSpace finale.
Apparently we haven’t proven ourselves quite yet with the last patent application. And perhaps the fed/gov told us a couple of months ago “Show us the proof, Doug! We’ve got some bucks here, big bucks! But show us the proof! You get your act together, get a display partner, build that unit, prove yourselves, then we’ll talk. Oh, and in the interim, don’t breathe a word. Got it?”
Hakki’s not history…
The OCAST grant began September 2013. Six months later we signed a JDA with SCHOTT, then in May 2014 we read that a “laboratory prototype / demonstration unit” was being developed with Hakki in-charge. The addressing and imaging systems were maximized and a patent application was filed late-January 2015. Mid-January 2015 Doug is named VP of Technology & Business Development. I would imagine that Hakki’s responsibilities were over or close to it at that time; he resigned in March, thus the grant cancellation.
We began work on the LP/DU with an advantageous partner. The development of PP1 was shelved along with the grant money by the more pressing prototype presumably funded by SCHOTT’s JDA. Matching grant money couldn’t compete with the new partner’s glass, free of charge. Simply stated, grant money couldn’t provide what we needed to advance. We took the opportunity with no regrets.
Fruits of the SCHOTT JDA are in the current patent application.
The only thing remaining is the development of an optimum image space material to complete TP3... if that’s still in the cards. Otherwise, the LP/DU2 via a JDA with a display firm and SCHOTT will fulfill our image space needs. And when that happens, whose name do you think will be first on the list of inventors of our next patent application?
As of August 14, 2015...
the issuer had 893,741,151 outstanding shares of Common Stock.
http://ir.3dicon.net/all-sec-filings/content/0001144204-15-049783/v417383_10q.htm
I agree wholeheartedly, IowaStateman…
Razorman was good at crunching numbers and no doubt we could use his expertise when that 10-Q’s released.
Admin, what about an early release for the razor?
And yes I agree also in encouraging the Weatherman publish his perceptive writing from the other channel. I copied it earlier for my log.
Here’s the latest presser from Duryea:
http://www.us.schott.com/english/news/press.html?NID=us599
Bottom line…
CSpace is owned by the Company, 3DIcon. It was designed that way by the amended SRA with OU. And if you own a share of TDCP, you own a share of the Company, but more importantly, you own a piece of CSpace.
Forget about the Company for just a moment… let’s talk CSpace.
You may think “my TDCP shares are worthless, or close to it.” Go ahead and think that, they’re your shares! Or you may think “man, I’m sittin’ on 10-million shares, win or lose, I have other investments to carry me over… I’m comfortable with that.” Whatever your thoughts and hopes are of this thing, at least you own a piece of CSpace.
And yes, CSpace could be bought. Vic could be bought out, no doubt! But what’s CSpace worth to him and to us? I have no idea, but if someone’s deeply interested in CSpace, they’ll talk about it.
I’ll put it this way: What if you didn’t have a play in TDCP, and what would you do if we got news of funding and an announced display partner in the same PR… or! CSpace is currently being negotiated for sale?
CSpace future is what we’re betting on. And our bet is placed on nothing more than the profitability of disruptive innovation.
It’s all about CSpace. You either own it, or you don’t.
From the March 31, 2015 10-Q, F-8…
“The SRA also amended the previously existing agreements between the Company and OU such that all intellectual property, including all inventions and or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, developed before July 28, 2008 by OU under the SRA is owned by OU. All intellectual property, including all inventions and/or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, developed jointly by the Company and OU at any time is jointly owned by the Company and OU. Finally, all intellectual property developed by the Company after July 28, 2008, including all inventions and or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, is owned by the Company.”
The “amended SRA” is key. Sorry about your confusion.
Thank you, Cyclonefan!...
Thank you for clearing that up. Now… maybe we can move on.
That said, I don’t believe OU had a hand in the development of our so-called “Ultra High-Resolution Volumetric Three-Dimensional Display” currently on application for patent; its provisional was filed July 26, 2013. So “all intellectual property developed by the Company after July 28, 2008, including all inventions and or discoveries, patentable or un-patentable, is owned by the Company.” In other words, it’s all ours.
Yeah, SCHOTT R&D helped immensely, no doubt, but that JDA didn’t put their name on that patent application. And I bet our new display partner in-waiting won’t have their name on our next IP, either.
Here’s some more from the same (our last) 10-Q.
“CSpace Patents are as follow: On December 28, 2010, USPTO approved the pending patent called “Light Surface Display for Rendering a Three-Dimensional Image,” and issued the United States Patent No. 7,858,913. On August 21, 2012, the USPTO approved a continuation patent called “3D Volumetric Display” and issued the US Patent No. 8,247,755. On December 13, 2011, USPTO approved a continuation patent called “3D Light Surface Display,” and issued the US Patent No. 8,075,139. On July 31, 2013, 3DIcon filed provisional patent called “Ultra High-Resolution Volumetric Three-Dimensional Display,” (US patent application serial No. 61859145).”
Regardless of CSpace’s future, again, it’s all ours.
For what it’s worth.
“At the current price, 3DIcon…
could be purchased for very little.” I’d say .0009 is a “huge discount”… at the time it was written in mid-March, we were at .002.
Here’s the email in its entirety:
“Not contractors that I’m aware of. Stock is sold to raise funds as is reported in the quarterly statements. It is agreed upfront that these investors would not dump stock to damage the price. The problem is that when this happens (stock price decline) it makes it more difficult to raise funding through PIPEs. Key right now is to keep the company alive while trying to make some progress in the technology to help support getting the govt to invest. At the current price, 3DIcon could be purchased for very little. Have a nice day. By the way, nice article published yesterday in NASA Briefs. While it does not bring money directly, it at least helps keep it in front of the Fed.”
I was wondering at the time if in fact it was Doug’s email and in answer to what question.
Is this the email you were remembering?
3Dman, please enlighten me…
What’s a “talking tool”? Is it Doug Freitag? Or could it be Jordan Spieth’s driver?
Yeah, I hear what you’re saying…
They may or may not be too reliable at this stage… but again, they don’t lie.
And I must say, I’ve read a lot of what I consider, pure BS lately, regarding the Company and its employees… and what’s more, it’s written as certainty.
So I don’t always believe what I read… but at least I can trust the charts.
It’s just a tool… and it can’t talk.
Suit yourself…
But charts don’t lie.
And within that 11-week .0008-.0011 range…
We’ve had 36 black volume bars compared to 15 red volume bars… a bullish effort, it seems to me. Yeah, a few hiccups here and there out of the range with that “teaser,” as you put it, at .0019, and the 4-time .0007 lows.
But overall and within that 11-week range, we’re seeing some sideways movement with the Bollinger Band center turning up… not to mention, the MACD and RSI have turned positive since mid-June.
Now if only the Weekly would conform…
Golfing. The Ivhd cat bought ‘em all…
And I bet Armani scarfed up a few prior to that… not to mention M-invest’s investment into our stash. Cstutz (like that moniker) I bet has a claim staked out, too!
Ultra High-resolution Volumetric Three-dimensional Display...
http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150029315&IDKey=6F8490D3A314&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522%2526OS%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522%2526RS%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522
Okay, so it’s Hakki’s baby…
I don’t care whose baby it is! They’re husband and wife… or at least I hope so!
OCAST and OPTECKS are irrelevant to our primary objective… and that is: obtain federal funding for optimum image chamber material development. We’ve simply got to have it to move on as I’ve described in the sticky above… this, I believe held true over a month ago. I believe it more so, today.
Kman, I love Oklahoma too, but right now our obtaining federal funding is crucial.
BOOMER!
Badia's baby. We'll see...
Optecks is a Texas Instruments Authorized Design House based in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA that is dedicated to providing both standard and customized solutions for DLP-based systems and products in a wide variety of applications. DLP technology is being employed in a continually growing variety of important and high profile applications, including a variety of displays, 3D printing, DLP-based spectroscopy, 3D machine vision, Lithography, and the manipulation and control of lasers... Optecks' engineers and technical staff have over 10 years of experience in the design of optical, electronic, and software for DLP-based systems and products. In addition, Optecks has a portfolio of patents to draw upon that cover a variety of solutions for several DLP-based applications, which allows Optecks to provide solutions that cannot be found anywhere else...
He may not hold a candle to Hakki…
but his name is on our current patent application along with Mark Willner’s. So does Mark have the stature?
Hakki, as the CTO, managed the build out of the LP/DU. The LP/DU was the creation of our JDA with SCHOTT. And I would assume he managed SCHOTT personnel, also.
Someone’s going to manage the build out of our proposed PP1, the completion of our TP3, or whatever prototype is up next. And that will include SCHOTT personnel as well as our new partner’s people. Doug, as the VP of Technology Development will, no doubt, manage any new IP development.
In other words, “it’s our tech, we need your glass and we need your optical engineering expertise to make this thing glitter. But just remember, it’s our IP, you get a cut, but again, it’s our IP. Always has been and always will be. Unless of course, you want to purchase it.”
Chemi, we’re broke. Hakki’s making a living the best he can. But don’t you think he’s “on call” just across the river down Memorial Drive into Bixby? I do. You bet, I do.
“Key personnel.” From the January 15 presser…
“In his new role as Vice President of Technology and Business Development, Freitag will oversee continued advancement of 3DIcon's 3D volumetric display technology, while managing key personnel who will work to further grow the technology and bring it to market. His focus will remain on 3DIcon's patented CSpace® technology, and the development of the image chamber material with joint development partner SCHOTT Defense, a federally focused subsidiary of SCHOTT North America, Inc. …”
Yeah Kevin, my eyes were deceiving me…
And just the mere sight of something different seemed like maybe a distant oasis. It was only a mirage.
There’s a mental toughness required to exist in this expanse of CSpace desert.
What we’ll do to obtain disruptive innovation.
I’m tired.
False alarm. Go back to sleep…
Was thinking the website ours… Vic’s a contributor. Sorry.
The Chairman's Blog has a new charm...
to its format.
http://www.thechairmansblog.com/3dicon/news/
What’s up with this? Confidentiality freeze about to thaw?
Your thinking is on the money, Cycloneman…
From the annual report: “… Schott is one of the world’s leaders in developing specialty glass for many applications, including display technology. This partnership, coupled with the expertise of Doug Freitag, should facilitate the Company’s federal funding strategy and our ability to create the unique materials required to advance the CSpace technology.”
And this: “… Most of the engineering work (optics, electronics and software) is complete, and the focus is now on the image space materials.”
Create the unique … image space materials. Hmmm… hey Walrusman, is this the fracking we need to get the oil to the surface? And if it is, is the driller going to be our display partner using SCHOTT’s rig and our drill bit?
If, in fact, we’re experiencing a confidentiality lull…
I’d like to think that there’s ongoing partnership-JDA talk to placate the NIH and Air Force grant bureaucrats… with Jim and Doug in the mix of things. Surely, the fed/gov wants to know who the optical engineering firm is that’s going to help visualize – enlarge, animate and color – CSpace before that selection committee acts.
We’re not a complete team, yet. We need that display partner.
Excellent Countman! And you know what…
I don’t blame you for trying to get a feel for our current dilemma through this board. I took it a step further however and wrote Vic an email July 7 concerning our grant proposals, but thus far, haven’t received a response. My commonsense approach is that he must maintain confidentiality until he can make an announcement… then he’ll do so.
I will say this: That maze of networking within that industrial / security complex that Doug has to deal with to cut deals, has got to take time… several months, time. Not to mention the time required for our partner’s JDA.
Oh, and Count, I’m pretty good at marbles… Rings, especially. And I’ve still got that Tall that won many of my buddies ante’s in that ring.
My intent is not to argue with anyone…
I’ll debate you if need be, but not argue with you. And some things aren’t worth debating. And yes, I do have my interpretation of “several months” regarding the NIH award notification, and in my opinion, it’s not worth debating. So pick up your marbles and go home.
Countman, that’s why that dictionary is free…
Clonefan hasn’t failed to see anything…
Keep this in mind about the Company’s communication aspect:
“While we can understand your desire for more details on these and future submissions, competition and confidentiality sometimes prevents 3DIcon and our team members from making any public statements until we have been notified of selection. We will, however, continue to keep shareholders informed of new developments whenever possible to continue our emphasis on transparency.”
- Victor Keen, CEO
The March 3 letter said that “we will not know the outcome for several months” for the NIH proposal. So defining “several months” is up to individual interpretation. And this was mentioned also: The Air Force award “will not occur until early or mid-summer.” Summer is 23-days old and the dog days won’t be over for another 72-days.
Yeah granted onelove, the suspense of the unknown is uninspiring to say the least, but this is all we have to go on. Personally, I’m relying on the confidentiality aspect of this ongoing drama.
Of course...
Here’s our latest patent…
http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150029315&IDKey=6F8490D3A314&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522%2526OS%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522%2526RS%3D%252522refai%2C%252Bhakki%252522
And you are correct, 3DIcon is the applicant.
(It’s stickied above, #28778.)