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"You responded only with generalities and completely ignored a detailed list of 12 of the most important specifics that clearly set KBLB apart from the other piint sheets"
yes i absolutely did...i almost never finish any of your posts...they are too long..i did once glance through your list...some of those points have existed for quite some time...others sound exciting and huge....and yet the pps is trying hard to hit the yearly low...
thats why i ignored them..to date they have meant nothing to the pps...and the pps is really all that concerns me...not the hopes and dreams that are posted as potential...
kblb needs no help dropping like a rock...it does quite well all on its own...and on other occasions, it allows itself to be manipulated there imo...and it occurs frequently enough to be a good trading stock...i simply know when to buy and sell it...
you didnt hear me screaming buy like everyone else at .11 all the way to .08...you didnt hear me saying .11, .10 etc would hold cause it was such good support...
you dont see me wasting time with d/d?..i simply buy low and sell high..and am doing so again...
i know it infuriates some to think i am as good as i am...but hey...i really am..lol
"A point worth noting about your post, IMHO, is that, except for the line at the top you are quoting, it could apply (and be cross posted to the board of) absolutely any pink sheet stock whatsoever. And that applies to the great majority of your posts (just about all of them if you just switch out the ticker symbol)"
yes thats correct...im glad you realize that...since 98% of pink sheets fail, then its actually quite logical, is it not?..
"My point is that it's all just generalities with nothing specific to KBLB whatsoever. Which is not surprising coming from someone who frequently brags(!) about not doing any DD"
yes it all generalites...there are thousands of pink sheets..im not going to get specific about all of them..so yes, generalities are in order...
as for kblb, why should i get specific about it?...when the generalities stop applying to it, i may...its a one man pink sheet operation and its funded and run exactly like a typical pink sheet..it trades like a typical pink sheet..its manipulated like a typical pink sheet..everything about it is typical pink sheet..
but the investors of course think the potential of kblb is far more than a typical pink sheet....guesss what?...that is typical pink sheet also..lol
"Since KBLB has many very unique things about what it's doing and its situation, that approach of ignoring all that leads to a grossly distorted picture IMHO"
and that line can be found on every typical pink sheet message board in the world..just change the 4 initials to any other combination of letters...
"This is not "gambling", it is investing"
kblb is most certainly a gamble at this point and to attempt to portray it as a good long term investment is complete insanity...
the pps will not drop below .06...that is my prediction and i am sticking to it...why you feel it will most certainly drop below .06 i have no idea...im pretty sure its not your idea tho...and if it is the power hedge fund guys idea, he will be proven wrong...
if something real happens the stock will go up..if something really big happens the stock will go even higher?...well yea, i guess thats pretty safe to say...and it evidently made the listener quite happy so terrific..lol
"The one year is still trending up until it goes below .06 I do not care to draw it for you"
please..give it a shot...id like to see this bending crooked trend line..
"This is not for your benefit or should I say consumption"
this benefits no one
this is the stock market...it is not worm science...i dont care how long a chart you look at...kblb is NOT in an uptrend...it spent years at .01 and finally came alive in sept '10...it is still higher than .01 ...but that does not constitute an uptrend in the stock market...
"Actually he is not saying ANY of those things nor anything even remotely like them"
the contact with the guy was not made on a professional level therefore the guy isnt to going to be as blunt as he normally would be..plus the person asking the question is already in the stock and obviously is in love with it..therefore you will have to have some social skills to understand the meaning behind his words...but the meaning is very clear..
"All he does say is "It's gambling, pure and simple"
no..if thats all he wanted to say then he would have said just that...he didnt..
"and completely ignores even the possiblity that there might be some way to distinguish between what he calls "the 98%" and the successful stocks"
i dont recall the posters high powered buddy using that phrase...but he knows there is as do i...but no one on this board is going to be able to do it because you cant google that kind of thing..nor can you do it with d/d...you learn thru doing..thru years of experience...and why on earth would anyone want to scour thru the dirt to find an investment when you can make money trading almost all of them if you choose?...learning to trade would be far more profitable in the long run...
"But it's something else entirely to pretend like making the distinction is not possible, which both you and lowfunds do"
its not going to be possible for you or anyone else on this board...you may as well throw darts at a stock board...
"You constantly portray timing trades in and out as if it was dead easy, when it is very clearly far from that"
just because something is very difficult to someone doesnt mean it must certainly be difficult for everyone...its learning how to do it that is difficult..and its not something everyone can learn...but if trading is what someone wants to do, you have to put in the time and effort...it wont happen overnight..
i just gave you the recipe for the next buy and sell...if you want more than that then you will need a crystal ball...the market is a fluid situation and you roll with it or make adjustments as things happen or fail to happen...
"INHERENTLY MUST be far from easy, because it is inherently impossible for even the majority to do (the total losses MUST equal the total gains. That proves that your representation of it as easy is dead wrong"
the losses must equal the gains but the winners and losers dont...there are a heck of a lot more losers out there...about 2% of individual investors actually know how to trade...the rest are floundering around or scavenging thru the pink sheets looking for a good long term investment for some unknown reason...the 2% will on everage make money...the 98% will on average lose money...some quickly, some more slowly, but almost all will eventually lose more than they make...thats why there are mutual funds...thats where they belong..
"Yet you apparently cannot even conceive of the possibility that there are ways to make the distinction between companies with good prospects and companies with poor prospects"
there are all kinds of ways...fundamental analysis is a very good way...but when you are talking pink sheets, forget about it...its wasted effort...theres no reason to go looking there for a "good investment"...go buy a lottery ticket instead...much better odds..for all on this board anyway..
"Just because, as you frequently brag(!), you do no DD at all does not mean that no one does, nor does it mean that it cannot be a very useful tool"
i do no d/d at all on kblb..its a penny stock and i trade it...d/d would be a waste of time...and i have made a lot of money trading it and will soon do it again...all with no d/d..
most everyone else does seem to do d/d and most are now on the losing end of their kblb investment...
i prefer to make money
"The chart shows we are still in an uptrend"
you might want to double check this with your high powered buddy...kblb is NOT in ANY kind of uptrend...and if you think he said so, you are thoroughly mistaken...
"We will not see a reversal until slightly lower than .06"
doubt that
there has been selling...there has been no capitulation...
unless you know what you are doing, you wont understand what he is telling you....
he knows you are a long term investor...so he is speaking to you as a long term investor....no t/a is not nearly as important as fundamentals to a long term investor..particularly in a stinkie pinike...
he is asking if you think the company can develop a product worth selling...if so then its all good...
"this is not a pretty looking chart"
which is exactly what i was saying which was the opposite of what you said..
"but it can become a good chart if the company comes through the way you hope it to come through"
yes...what he is saying is that it is up to you to figure that part out...
"So this is another long term story about whether this company can get this product off the ground and become a growing profitable entity"
in other words, its the typical pink sheet dream...you do realize thats what he is telling you?..
"That said, there is no guaranty that it will bounce from here or how far it bounces if at all"
and that pretty much says it all....
it could also be a classic example of other things as well...thats the problem with pink sheets as opposed to legitimate stocks..and thats also the problem with trying to compare anything from the pink sheets with legitimate stocks...theres no comparison..none..
one scenario involves shorting the pps down and making money when you cover...and theres no worry that any unexpected news will come out or any other development will occur with the company at the wrong time...because you know no news will come out...lets just say you are fortunate that way...
then when the pps turns around and starts to climb up, you help it along...and when it tops out you can also sell the shares you got at a 20% discount...just on the off chance you have any of those...and you might just have a very good idea when some sort of decent news may come out...because you are just lucky that way...
not exactly a pump...not exactly a dump...but still very profitable...
illegal?..yes...hard to prove?..yes..worth a chance?...some would say yes...in the pink sheets, many would say definately yes....many have done so...
good thing with kblb's incestuous relationship to their financier that nothing like that is going on...
you make it sound like this amount of tax loss selling is normal...well actually it is for pink sheets...and since kblb seems to do everything and is run just like a typical pink sheet, i guess it should really be no surprise...
although everyone wants to say that kblb is different than all other pink sheets, it has proven itself thus far to be absolutely no different...
yes tax loss selling does occur in normal stocks but it should not be to such a degree that it drops the pps by 30%..lol...no that is not normal and no it is not good...
the reason there is so much selling is that there are apparently so many with losses...
its amazing that some try to dimiss the situation by saying "well look at the chart, it happenend last year too"...lol...yes it certainly did at about the exact same prices as last year as well...and when it does it next year at the same prices, what will be said then?..no problem, happens every year???...
even if there are tax losses at the end of the yaer, they shouldnt devastate the stock price and you should want them to happen at a higher price not the same price over and over...
i do agree that an explanantion from the company is not in order...theres nothing they can say...kblb has sucked as an investment over the last year.....but it was pretty darn good as a trading stock...
as for how you can tell the difference between a pink sheet pump and dump, scam, simply poorly run company, one that will flop because of poor financing or who's product wont fly etc....the answer is....you cant...thats why i have said over and over you DO NOT INVEST IN PINK SHEETS, YOU TRADE THEM!!...
buy low and sell high...thats all there is to it..forget the noise and nonsense...never mind the hype and cavier dreams....
who cares about the science or whether the worms fall in love or dont...none of that matters...and the truth is, no one on this board really has a clue about the science involved with kblb...NO ONE...
having said all that, .075 is a good place to buy...the pps will likely drop lower but .075 is still a good buy...the pps should not drop any lower than .06 and the likelyhood that you will get any shares at that price is slim...you should be able to get some in the sixes if it goes that far...you can wait or start accumulating now...
im looking for something around a double...but will just see how it plays out...if things are looking weak, i will take less...if things are looking strong, i will wait for more...but my guess is something close to a double..
and more than likely a sell before the cc is going to be how to play it...
i said what i said and i was very clear about it...as far as kblb leaving the pink sheets next year, well that was said last year and the year before...and it will be said next year also...
"Many penny stocks have moved up to the regular exchanges. KBLB has many aspects that are vastly different from most, if not all, other penny stock and has the potential to move up to a regular exchange very soon if its technology is a success"
change the "kblb" to any other combination of letters and you will find the exact same statement made on every penny stock message board...they all think they are unique and not like any other penny stock...and 98% of them will fail..
every pink sheet is a 6 billion dollar company just waiting to happen...lol
what an individual investor does with his money cannot ne compared to what a company does with investor money...
i dont specifically use the pumps but i do benefit from them...and what kblb is doing is pure bs...no amount of finger pointing will change that...
and the chart is not a "killer" chart...and no pro worth his salt will tell you it is..
"So wait...if they don't have anything invested, then that means we get to use their intellectual property for nothing?"
you've got to be kidding me right?...kblb paid for it...if sial gave it to them for nothing, then that would be considered an investment...they got paid in cash and shares...you would think that a "partner" wouldnt have charged them anything since they delved so deeply into kblb and are so sure that huge success was sure to come of it...
but nope...no investmenst and no partnership of any kind...and no credibility invested either that couldnt be easily brushed aside...
"We get to use Zinc-fingers for nothing?"
ummm....no..where did you get that ridiculous idea?..
"If the zfn did not work....how bad for SIAL would that be? "
not a problem at all...they will say that the zf process was a huge success...the fact that kblb failed to capitalize on that success is unfortunate but my goodness are they pleased about the zf process...lol
what did you think they were going to say?..."we're sorry but zf sucks"...lol
"I don't have too"
no you dont...but you did try..and failed..
"Sigma Aldrich is a strong supporter"
now that is a more reasonable statement...i doubt its accurate but at least its more reasonable...
"and they stand to benefit greatly. So do Notre Dame and Wyoming"
so does anyone owning shares....the difference is that people paid for their shares...they take that risk...sial, nd and wyoming did not invest a dime...quite the opposite, they were paid for their involvement...they stand to lose NOTHING...they may gain but will lose NOTHING...therefore their "support" is in words only..and theres been very few of those...
"When the weak hands and bleeders finish panicing"
calm down, theres been no panic selling..lol
i dont know about any golden ticket and i dont know why you have to cheapen any good that kblb might do by using such phrasing but yes, kblb is getting close to a bottom and will be a good trade here soon...
if kblb does fantastic sial will reap rewards...if kblb falls off a cliff, sial and nd lose nothing..absolutely nothing...after all nd is simply paid to do a job...sial was paid to provide zf...sure they both have said nice things about kblb, but thats expected...and nd will gush about the science they are involved in but not kblb...
no one can teach you how to see the reality of a situation...that takes experience..every situation generally has multiple outcomes and if you can see the possibilities and how to deal with them before they happen, thats valuable...no college will teach you that...
yes credibility is valuable...thats why neither sial nor nd has any on the line...thats why they would never put it on the line for the likes of kblb...any credibility you think is on the line can be easily brushed aside by sial and nd...
you are not too far off...kblb is indeed getting close to a buy point...no doubt about it...but i say so as trade and without the drama
"Everything is declining. It is a near perfect comparison. Why can't you be genuine? Most stocks declined yesterday"
the overall market is up today...kblb is down...there goes that idea..
kblb is a pink sheet with very low volume...it is unaffected by the overall market and never really moves with it...
"It is a gamble that someone will not make 1.2B go poof. It is a gamble that any company will be profitable in any given quarter"
if you trade, none of those things matter...thats what you guys dont get...investing is more of a gamble than trading..
"You rely on SIAL's, UND's, etc.. Major difference when you have partners with VESTED interests. That makes KBLB a much lower risk. Increasing odds in your favor. LESS of a gamble"
the first thing you have to do is think rationally and understand the reality of the siuation....sial is not a "partner" of kblb...they do business together..kblb pays them for zincfingers...kblb pays nd to do the research they do...thats why nd does it..they stand to make money money if kblb does well..but neither of those supposed "partners" stand to lose a thing if kblb fails...VESTED interest means nothing...if you want to see if the odds are in your favor, you have to be serious about what you are looking at..fooling yourself into believeing something is real when it is not does not up your odds at making money...it increases the likelyhood you will lose..
"It isn't like KBLB is waiting for partners. They have them"
in business, partners share risk...they help each other..sial has done nothing except sell zf to kblb..they have no risk and no money involved..other than shares they were partially paid with..kblb has no partners..
"It isn't like KBLB does not have a product. The product is silk"
i presume you are talking about some form of spidersilk?..the only form of commercial spidersilk they have, they cant seem to sell..so.........
"It is a given that someone will buy a superior product"
in kblb's case,no it isnt...that superior product has to be sufficiently superior to cause a manufacturer or retailer to change long established business arrangements...that product has to be manufactured cheap enough so that it can be bought and sold profitably...it has to be of sufficient quality etc etc etc..and again, no kblb is not like aapl or any of its products....again there is no comparison of any kind...not even remotely..
"It is dishonest to say that KBLB is a gamble at best"
things can change...sometimes from day to day...you have to be ready to react to the changes...but in the case of kblb, what hasnt changed is that it IS in fact a gamble...
like i said, it takes a lot for the sec to act on a pink sheet...placing a caveat emptor on pink sheet takes little effort on the part of the sec...and all those caveat emptors should have been completely shut down...they are not...
now take a look at all the pinks that should be on "caveat emptor" or shut down....yes the evidence most certainly supports my conclusions...
it seems you have had a breakthru...you are finally compelled to admit the painfully obvious fact that the arrangement is unusual...WHEW!..that took a while...
as for the bad part of the unusual equation, reread my posts...its all there in plain english...
and with no d/d..lol
the nov 14 pr could have come in dec, jan ,feb or march and you would still be claiming it came at EXACTLY the time it should have...
when it comes to pink sheets you will be relying on the sec's inactions..lol
the arrangement is completely unheard of by anyone on this board...no one can site any examples of anything similar...and you and i both know many have tried to find one...
thousand of companies..no similar arrangement..
but nothing unusual there?..lol
i will give you money but only if you make my guy your IR...nothing unusual?...
you can cite all the s-1's you want...it doesnt change a thing...
"They threw Martha Stewart in jail for AFAIK just asking her paid investment adviser for a good stock pick which FGS is what she was Paying him for!"
no that wasnt it at all...
"One reason to assume that Ben H. is NOT passing any inside info to CSC or anyone else is that if he were suspected of this, even if just by a pattern of sales from CSC, the feds would be sticking Very Close to his rear end"
there are tens of thousands of stocks out there...just how many sec investigators do you think there are?...and the truth is, they couldnt care less about pink sheets...they pretty much only take a look if there are complaints...and then the stock would have to have a pretty big following before they get too excited...and it would help if the investigation were to be an easy one...
and if there were any wrong doing, kblb has certainly seen to it that the investigators would have a very easy time of it...
the question is, who says they didnt see anything unusual...you bet they saw something unusual...what they didnt see was something illegal...2 different things...
dont think the sec is giving their seal of approval on the situation..it is very suspect...just not illegal in and of itself...although i would say imo, its very borderline...
under normal arrangements if one party or the other should, lets say, unknowingly, violate an sec rule, the other party would be unaffected...under the arrangement that kblb has with csc, they have tied themselves so completely together that both would surely be affected regardless of who the offending party is...
and csc being who they are, is that really such a smart move on kblb's part?....i mean, really???
"So, if the SEC didn't see anything "unusual" about the agreement then that is good enough for me"
who says they didnt?...
havent bothered to dig into calm seas much...waste of my time since im not invested here...just know what others such as manshoon have brought up...look up his posts..
but let me ask you this...have you heard of any other financial arrangement where the company loaning the money demanded that one of their boys be made the ir of the company they are funding?...seem a little odd to you?..
some have said that it seems perfectly logical for calm seas to want one of theirs to be on the inside of kblb so they can keep an eye on their money...lol
but seriously, do you see the problem with such an arrangement?...add that to what manshoon brings up and its a HUGE problem...
ever wonder why the pps doesnt move with all the great news?...wonder no more..
"I didnt say you lived here. You can't live here mojo this is the internet"
and yet, some certainly seem too..
"You didnt say anyone, you said a monkey. You shouldnt change what you said to make yourself right"
pure nonsense
"You said yourself you dont read the science, so any opinion you have related to science is made up (again, all here know you said yourself you dont care to read the science). So anything you try to have an opinion on related to the facts of the science should not be taken seriously"
no science involved here at all..purely business..
"No one wants your hand out"
not rue..i count you as one..
"I'll take your point of view on thanking Fraser and say, Thank him for what!, there is no proof they've done anything! Why should I thank him? When Fraser knocks on my door and brings me spider silk, then maybe I can give him credit. I dont hand credit our for agreeing to something"
thye scientists have accomplished some things..whether its good enough or not remains to be seen..whether kblb can ever do anything with it remains to be seen...but yes, you most certainly should take my point of view..i agree with that..
"You're in penny land mojo. There is no such thing as standard business practice here. You're not new to pennies are you? I hope you dont think they all follow standard business practices. You could lose a lot of money that way. I didnt know you had such blind optomistic faith for penny stocks"
there most certainly is such a thing as standard business practices...whether they are followed or not is another issue..just like standard accounting practices...and it has been shown that kblb doesnt always follow those..lol..but they exist also..
"I didnt know you spoke for those around you, is there a mailing list I can get on? How do you know who's here and when? You don't. I guess I'd be upset at the irrelevant comment but I am pretty happy knowing you don't see %700 and that feels pretty good"
i repeat..most werent here when kblb was a penny...anyone who was and has 700% gain is because they let a 2000 to 2500% gain slip away...twice..lol..not very good imo...anyone trading as i did has about a 700% gain or close to it without even trying very hard...
"If ultimate success comes, moving the price a penny on 10 shares will prove to be much easier than moving the price a dime on 1 share"
no..not really...
"Having said all that, I have strong doubts whether KBLB has done anything that the SEC would crush them over"
they dont have to have done anything themselves...if calm seas has, thats all it will take...it will be clear that due to the unusual relationship, they assisted or allowed cs to do the dirty deed..it would be a pretty obvious conclusion...kblb allowing calm seas to have an inside man at the company?...the dirt will be all over kblb no matter what...at least imo..
and no one on this board will ever find any conclusive proof of anything in regards to the above...you will only hear of it when it comes out..if there is fact something...you cannot google that kind of info..
"I know I myself dont stay somewhere I dont like"
i dont live here..i just visit here...if i had a stake in the company and didnt like it i would sell...dont confuse the stock market with a chat board...one is for making money the other is for laughs...and kblb has been good to me as a trading stock...not so much lately but it will again soon enough...
"and to say a monkey could sign agreements with Notre Dame and Wyoming is totally skewed"
not really...pretty much anyone in the business world could have done that..it was really no big deal..
"Also to critique how long it took to get the SIAL deal done, when knowing that SIAL wanted to verify what KBLB was doing before working on ZFNs for them"
and who told you this?...kim?..lol..yea ok..even if sial did want to check out kblb, you think it took 6 months?..with all their scientists, expertise, employees, money and experience doing this on many other occasions, you think it took sial 6 months to figure out if it wanted to sell zfn's to kblb?...i dont think so..
"so then you have to give credit to the lab and its scientists because thats what SIAL saw when they agreed to let KBLB/Notre Dame work with the ZFNs"
i dont know if sial looked at all...and i dont know what they saw...all i know is so far ive seen nothing myself..i dont hand out credit because someone says they did something...i hand out credit when i see results...not before..
"and then you have to give credit to Kim choosing Dr. Fraser/ Notre Dame"
my guess is there was a pretty darn short list of possibilities..more likely everyone should thank fraser for agreeing to work with kblb..
"Also to make sure they were working with approval and not ripping of science from the University of Wyoming was a good thought to take care of too"
standard business practice..
"Most crappy pennies dont care who they rip off. Not getting license agreements or approval for things are usually the kind of things that are found out by penny investors and that in turn sinks the ship"
theres no point to bringing up crappy companies to try to make kblb look good...either it looks good on its own merits or it does not..
"You see a stock that's down a couple cents from last Dec. I see a stock up at least 700% for over a year"
well you can see whatever you choose...i wasnt here when kblb was a penny...neither were most investors...so what you see is irrelevant
"What are the biggest doubts in KBLB as an investment?"
where to start?....the company acts, behaves, and is run just like a typical pink sheet crap stock...its a one man show with no oversight whatsoever...its pr's are misleading and say nothing difinitive..and imo that is done purposely by the company...they are not just funded by a bottom feeding financial company, they are in bed with them...the financial company insisted their man become kblb's ir guy..many have tried to expalin away this colossal blunder by kblb but it is uttery impossible...that is just a terrible situation that kblb not only didnt address but instead chose to continue....it doesnt even matter whether kblb is involved in any shady dealings that cs may have going on (and imo they most certainly do)...kblb will get dragged down with them..and rightly so..the situation is pure stupidity...and theres no reason for it...
everyone thinks that kblb's success is dependant upon the science..it is, but only by half..the rest is up to kim...and so far kim has done nothing...hes showed me absolutely nothing..
other than the horrible decisions i stated above, what has he done?..filed for patents?..signed agreements with nd and wyoming?..a monkey could have done anything that kim has done so far..and probably without the horrendous decisons from above..
the sial deal is about the only thing that kim has done..and im pretty sure he was steered in that direction by fraser...and it did take him forever to get it done but i guess that is one accomplishment...
i could go on..i have my doubts about the science and what they can actually produce and doubts about whether kim is the guy who can "git er done" but i guess thats enough for starters...but i will reiterate, regardless of what anyone else may think, the cs deal is an absolute blunder of humongous proportions...imo you all had better pray that the sec never looks into kblb and its financial arrangements...the problem is, it doesnt even matter if kblb did anything wrong or not..because of the arrangement, cs will take kblb down with them...and imo thats exactly how they want it..
"How much do these issues hold back/weigh the company down?"
well the pps has gone nowhere in the past year...supposed great news coming out all year long..supposed great progress all year long..and yet the pps is lower now than last dec...and it is damn lucky to even be where it is at now..
so far monstersilk has done nothing for the pps...many of the board experts thought that the platform worm was going to rock the pps..boy was that going to be an achievement of monumental proportions!...hmmm apparently not...of course the expalnations for the failure of the platform worm to budge the pps are many...but the fact is, it should have moved the pps substantially...so should have some of the other news...they havent..why not?..see above..
"Are they something that KBLB could/could not change or fix?"
some yes some no...basically, thus far i see the ceo as a complete failure and have zero confidence in him to properly run the company...
"Is is something that only you know and is somehow secret?"
lots and lots of experience...and i dont try to delve into the details of a company and its products...i dont try to become an expert into all that the company does...anyone doing that will just fool themselves and end up convincing themselves of things they should know better than to believe..
and theres no point in calling and talking to anyone from the company..they all will become your friends and you will like them..and they will only tell you the truth when it is good for the company...they will never tell you the bad now will they be truthful about anything that doesnt help them..and imo they will in fact lie to you if it serves their purpose...yes i said it...they will lie... i said you will become their friend, but you will not be their friend..
and you know what all that great news means?..a lower pps than before any of that news came out...the market is telling you something..
"now fast forward stock price is .26c"
with 10 times less o/s the price would likely have risen 2.60 instead of just 26 cents....you are talking about a scenario where kblb would have 50 mil o/s rather than 500 mil....again, thats how the stock market works...
you think kim gave you some kind of gift...he didnt...in this world, you dont get something for nothing kid..
"your right mojo. I was confused and blinded by all of the extra stock in my account that I just didn't see it"
you do realize that all that "extra" stock was worth exactly the same as the stock you had the day before the split?..or excuse me, the "dividend" lol...
there is a reason that this example is given "They are usually issued in proportion to shares owned(for example, for every 100 shares of stock owned, a 5% stock dividend will yield 5 extra shares). "
in the example the person is getting 5 shares for every 100 he owns...not 9 shares for every one he owns as in what kblb did....the difference is a stock dividend is issued when the company profits...those profits are shared as a stock dividend..what kblb did is a f/s...there were no profits and absolutely no reason for anything that could be called a stock dividend...calling what kblb did a stock divident was misleading and complete bs...
"oh now I remember It must be the definition of a dividend that had me confused "
yes..do read the definition and pay attention to the examples..they give those examples for a reason...
"A dividend payment made in the form of additional shares, rather than a cash payout"
again..a dividend PAYMENT..rather than a CASH PAYMENT...do you think kblb considered giving you CASH as PAYMENT?...because they were doing so well financially?..because they were so profitable?..this is when dividends of any kind are given out...and they are handed out as FRACTIONS of the shares held...not 9 times what one owns..lol
"These distributions are generally acknowledged in the form of FRACTIONS PAID PER EXISTING SHARE. An example would be a company issuing a stock dividend of 0.05 shares for each single share held"....
again, just paying attention to the definitions tells you everything you neeed to know...
"then Kim had the nerve to hold press conference and run my shares up over 2500%"
yes they went up on more misleading bs...but thats another story...if the o/s had been 9 times less, then the stock would likely have risen proportially higher...thats how the stock market works...if you think you made more money because of the forward stock split, you are mistaken and completely misinformed..or perhaps misled..
"But what you said was in no way misleading!! :)"
finally..an accurate statement
lol...stock dividend?..yes that is in fact what kblb called it...but that not what it was...you know what that statement is?...its purposely MISLEADING
"Because what he is hinting to without putting it in print is that he thinks KBLB is a scam"
yes, im real shy about saying what i mean...lol...no im not hinting that kblb is a scam...but i am saying that there is no evidence that anything that has been done so far will result in sales or revenues of any kind...
they've got monstersilk and have not managed to do a thing with it..perhaps its not all that it has been cracked up to be..ever think of that?..yea i know perish the thought..not that it doesnt exist (or technically exist) or that the scientists arent completely thrilled at what they accomplished..but simply that its not something anyone is going to buy..
perhaps pss will fare better...it should...if it is in fact pss..but im wondering why kblb doesnt have it yet?..yes i know, many think they have it but are keeping it a big secret..or maybe they actually already told us they have it but we just didnt realize it...anyway, back to reality, they aint got it....and i know it takes 45 days for the worms to fall in love and 45 more days for this and that and the countdown shouldnt start until october yada yada...thats a bunch of bs....there should be pss right now if it was doable...
"By saying what he says in his post, he thinks the company is misleading or lying to us"
yes that is correct..imo they have and continue to...
"He also thinks that Notre Dame and Dr. Fraser are involved in this conspiracy to mislead and lie to KBLB investors"
actually no...if i thought this i would say so..i never have...as i have said many times, the scientists are thrilled at their accomplishments...what kblb does with those accomplishments is another matter because so far they have managed to do nothing with them...could be because the accomplishments are not good enough...you can try to blame the scientists i suppose but i doubt they gave kblb any kind of guarantee about results...
"He thinks that the spools of silk from the 2010 press conference were just props and are just another tool to mislead the investors"
everyone saw the spool and just assumed it was the real deal...i dont..i never do...not with pink sheet stocks...its ridiculous to simply "believe"...i dont know what those spools were...perhaps it was monstersilk..if so, i dont know what the quality of the fiber was...i dont know if it really any good at all..marketable or not..i dont know if it could be massed produced..i dont know if it could be manufactured profitably or sold profitably...nor does anyone else...
everyone saw the spools and thought kblb had arrived..they were going to be millionaires within a few weeks...guess what?..nothing happened...you can speculate as to why nothing happened...you can make excuese all day long...you can say kim never actually said this or that..or that he started over..or that he had to get agreements in place blah blah blah...but in the end, nothing happened...
"He thinks that everything KBLB has PR'd are just carrots to mislead investors"
the pr's paint a rosy picture with insinuations of progress and information that can be interpreted 12 different ways and dont really commit to anything..i think the pr's that kblb put out are very typical of pink sheet companies..and that aint good
"Personally I like the fact that we are stable and flat. It keeps the 'flippers' out. Slow accumulation is good"
what difference does it make?..if good news come out and the pps starts to move, the flippers will come...and theres nothing you can do about it..and dont kid yourself there champ, much of this accumulation (which really aint much) is going to get flipped...and by all the longs on this board as well...
you like a stagnant and flat pps?..you must be in heaven then...but most other investors/traders like the idea of making money..
slow accumulation is good...so is fast accumulation and medium accumulation....pretty much any accumulation..lol
"I wish Kim would be more clear in his PRs"
he could be..very easily...he chooses not to be...
it appears that kblb has just gone a 4th step beyond where they started...but have completed nothig as yet?..
they are fine and confident in what they have created thus far but are advancing beyond into custom fibers...and just what have they done with what they have created thus far?..nothing..
if you want to believe kim, apparently the science is doing just great...but the business is doing zippity doo dah...
the science (assuming its even real) isnt going to make the company a dime...its what the company does with the science that will make money..
bigger worms...patents galore...more zinc fingers...claims of fibers...then better fibers...now custom fibers...what fibers??..i havent seen one yet!...what happened to pss?...i thought that was the holy grail?..it sounds like its being kicked to the side of the road in favor of some other carrot...
some posters are now saying they did not buy into kblb for the fibers anyway...what??
lol..if something substantial doesnt happen soon, this company is going to be in world of hurt..and by substantial i mean something real..something someone can see..something someone can touch..something someone can quantify..something that actually exists besides mere claims from the one man show...
well thats great...unfortunately thats what you said about 2011...and if it doesnt happen in 2012, im sure we will see it again for 2013..
doubt they have any customers...it appears that now that they have a bigger worm, they are trying to make it smarter...wonderful...
but how about just selling something to someone?..
again, i maintain "the results seem to indicate that kblb couldnt go commercial without patents in place"....
thanks for all your opinions and speculations...they dont change a thing