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My take in the divis iw simple...They WILL and have to go through with it as their rep is on the line and the promise put them into a corner..BUT my guess is that the divis relase to shareholders is not that bad if an idea..in fact, since Alan own a shit load of shares and the equity fund now will have 51%shareholding, it would be a good and legal way to fill their own poxkets big time...do they not as shareholders get a cut of the divis as well? Ya see what im saying...All the incentive is in releasing the divis ASAP , then the party starts$$$$$$$
PD
thx for the comments...i actually fired out an email today about the website of both hglc and ffgo...lets see how far along it goes. If i was to guess, they are likely waitin for Dr. C to come with his updated valuations to put current info online...dont be surprised if things come together in a month bf drilling plans! Lets see what happens...cheers!
-PD
Original Perspective from a freethinker !
I took this straight from the JUNE 16th PR ...
"The Company is delighted to have grown rapidly into a very substantial owner of Gold Mining & Exploration properties; particularly given the extremely positive outlook and forecasts for the price of Gold.
Company's Gold Mining assets now increased in size in excess of 1,000%
The Company has now, in the opinion of its Management, achieved the critical mass required to expedite its financing plans for the funding of an aggressive exploration policy.
The purchase consideration was settled through the issue of restricted shares of the Common Stock
...so it seems quite obvious that they were actually working very hard to make this asset roster happen...Actually this management has not been given enough credit for this 1000% increase because this announcment came pretty much after the pps took its dive from march to april start and ended low in june...Then, when all this good news was coming out, 1st an investment group tried to take control, and now an equity group is trying to take control....Do you see the potential here$$$$
And this actually clarified why one of the main reasons why the pps even took a nose dive....like I explained in another posting, they released up to 300 billion restricted shares during the months the pps declined rapidly...THIS was before confirmed new like this posting was released...so the market reacted to the massive amount of shares like a dilution occuring, BUT in fact, the last line I provided above clarifies that "The purchase consideration was settled through the issue of restricted shares of the Common Stock", which reveals where those restricted 300 billion shares went...IT WAS TO AQUIRE ALL THOSE HIGH PROFILE ASSETS...The assets are REAL, they have history of gold return...THEY ARE HISTORIC! This is not as comlicated to figure out as every scam supporter is trying to make it....Old management screwing things up with a RS in the winter....Players change...company tries to rectify things...they begin undertaking a MASSIVE aquisition plan to get strong mining assets from various parties...They have to pay with something...so the pay with Restricted shares...the announce the release of shares...they make a fooling divis solution...people freak out screaming dilution, scam...meanwhile, pps drops...management freaks, and starts firing up PR about their aquisition plans before they had time to fool proof everything...they rush things because they are trying to save the pps from tanking...nothing works...BUT some investment group sharks see the wounded 'dear' and decide to take over...Then, another player comes along, who has been planning is own agenda of taking these assets, and company because he knows of their worth and knows how weak 'the company currently is...In comes his troops, sharks, friends, and the rest is history...new equity owner places bid...management does not bite...Equity owner gets aggressive...starts approaching shareholders...gets 31%, but still needs 20%...some investors dont bite it, and so bid goes up...management still does not bite...there is only so much the the equity owner can do to scare management because it will be hard to shake the tree from the rest of the restricted shareholders (as they want the real value ---these restricted holders also are the samee ppl that the restricted shares were given to in exchange for their GOLD MINING ASSETS...why would they sell even for 3 cents? They are NOT the tom and dick investor like us, they are big timers and 3 cents to them is chump change...ok...back to my story....at the same time, the equity groups buddy, who was an insiders of the company, and who has a large holding in the company knows what his buddy is made up and decides to keep buying open market shares of the company...HE is thinking about cashing in big time over the take over and gaining massive credibility for his company and shareholders value. The equity owner gets an idea to load up troops with 50 million dollars to start buying up the company when he give to go signal...BUT he decides to give it to his loyal and long term buddy (adds stipulatons since he cant just go around handing 50 million dollar without folling the rules)and his buddy gets to look like a hero in front of his shareholders too so they both win...Now, the company is ripe for the taking...Of course when this happens, the entire OS sxr or most of it will be held by the new equity group, so they can cancel as many shares as they wish and have the pps adjusted to whatever they want via sharesxr change...heck they can even strip all the assets and liquidate everything...but wait a minute...its not THEIRS UNTIL they mine and PROVE that their is gold in those mountains...Oh yea, it is leased until the drilling....hmmmm? so where do I and other investor fit in...We get to enjoy the fight and the ride up...oh yea,,,wait till the 51% ownership happens and the equity give the go ahead for their buddy to start using the cold 50 mill given for buying up shares...KABOOM...we learn to fly and enjoy the ride...Will we all stick around when its over..it doesnt matter cause they likey dont want the investors in the play...that is prob why there is a 50 mill clean up crew to catch the dropping shares on the way up...in the end we have a fun ride up and make GOOD MONEY, but they, the insiders take this to the end, dig the gold and make A sh..t LOAD OF MONEY...this is just my creative opinion of course, and it is one of the many possibilites that could happen..I just wanted to throw it out there for everyone to chew on as I am starting to realize I have a very different perspective on things...Prob because I dont usually deal with pink sheet and usu invest in bigger companies, and real-estate, so have a very different angle on investing...I see this as a very strong possibility of materializing and have vested the time to express myself and share my thought because this will be my second to last big play of of the summer, untill fall is over, and wanted to take in the good karma by sharing...usu I am not so generous so ya betta appreciate it Feedback? Comments? Cheers to all! Enjoy the play... Preet 'daddy' D will be signing off the board cause he needs to get in play mode and a board the board is much to cluttered....I will be stepping in now and then to keep good old OVERACHIEVER reminded of my challange and keep em in check...my guess is that he will eventually withdraw his position after tonight, but some ppl can be quite difficult, so I wouldnt count on it :)
Preet
I took this straight from the JUNE 16th PR ...
"The Company is delighted to have grown rapidly into a very substantial owner of Gold Mining & Exploration properties; particularly given the extremely positive outlook and forecasts for the price of Gold.
The Company has now, in the opinion of its Management, achieved the critical mass required to expedite its financing plans for the funding of an aggressive exploration policy.
The purchase consideration was settled through the issue of restricted shares of the Common Stock.
Company's Gold Mining assets now increased in size in excess of 1,000%
I am very real, and know how to read chart very well also...The chart started a decline end of march to early april...the reverse split was in DEC, (that is a different story all together), but this march april timeline is your point of focus on many occasions...ok...lets talk about that one then,....over the time lapse of your suggested timeframe, were 100-300billion shares not pushed forward...That sent a HUGE wave that crushed the stock...It is quite simple to expect a crash once that many OS were released....Have you even comprehended the damage that this company has already been through, and you are whinning why they did not go through a 2 for 1 split during THESE SAME months??? YOU make no sense bud, why would a company pull the trigger on MORE shares when the outcome of the already released shared have been so catastrophic to the company??? And have you come up with any creative answers yet? And the challange I gave you? will you dodge that like you dodge the truth?
PD
Ok...well that leave you the easy warm up questions answered..but where are the answers to the 2nd have of the posting...And now that you are 100% confident that it IS a scam...r u willing to put your rep where your mouth is and meet the challange as specified...Think long and hard about it buddy....if it turns out to be legit...your rep as well as posting on IHUB is finished...you would be smarter to not respond to the challenge if you are NOT 100% confidence...However the choice is yours for the making...choose your next steps wisely....then again, you have nothing to lose right? since this is indeed a scam and this is another one on your record as one...On another note, you said you 'been there and done that ie courts but you are here so often to help your fellow investors? why dont you care to go to court for them?? past acheivments have little to do with current ones...to be a real hero would be to prove your 'facts' in the court room...If your getting concerned that your being called on your comments,,,you can easily prove me wrong by answering ALL questions and taking on the challange
By the way, I answered your 2 of 1 stock split question a while back...To summarize why the 2 for 1 was not done is simple...it was a bad management call to try to fix the falling pps with more shares...they prob thought that shareholders would like the idea but the falling pps told them another story..thank god that they didnt go through with it...And around that same time, it is also clear that this stock DID NOT fall on the soul basis of undistributed divi's....It fell because of the reverse split in DEC followed by the distribution of 300 BILLION total shares...Now that they have crashed, they are trying to fix the PPS....when a car breaks down, do you always throw it away? or do most people give it a repair and drive off without a worry? think about it...we give 2nd chances to things ALL the time...why so confident that it is too late for the divis? try to tell that to the ppl that are still to receive them...late or not...they want those divis. ONCE THE DIVIS ARE IN, YOU HAVE YOUR PROOF! You make a lot of statements here, now be prepared to back it up or back up :)
_PD
Priz, check out the challange i put out on HG.. for overacheiver...If he bites, I want a witness! These guys need to put their money where their mouth is...Only unfortunate thing is that it will likely be deleted bf ppl get to soak in the challange and the possible response.
-PD
Read this claim you made on your superheos justice board...
"It's already a 100% provable scam. It's not going to "get hot". Lumb did it with the same shell as West Africa Gold. He did the same thing with it as Great West Gold and now he is doing it with FFGO and it's "sister company", HGLC. The transactions between the companies are not "arms length" and there is no disclosure to this fact.
The divis have never been paid. Open and shut, Lumb loses."
Have a challange for you:
what will you say once the divis get paid?
-since you have been here from Aug 2006 onwards, how many scams have you uncovered.
-how many pinkys have turned out to be legit?
-have you ever been wrong about a 'scam-labeled' company
-what % are you sure that this is a scam?
-are you willing to go to court to protect your fellow investors since your think it is so easily 'provable'?
-have you ever invested in a pink sheet stock
-have you ever invested in either HGLC or FFGO for a profit?
--are you willing to make a wager of your reputation on this claim?
-do you have the wit to answer every one of my questions above..IF so, then I expect an answer for everyquestion in it entirety and with full honesty...You you do this, I will no longer post on the board AT ALL (think about it, you can be done with a BIG HGLC supporter just by a full reply :)
-IF you are so certain it is a scam...I give you a challange...IF this stock is shown to not be a scam, then YOU walk about from not only THIS board, but ALL boards on IHUB including closing down your justice league board for good...What do you have to lose? You are that certain are you not? Well, MR. Santini seems to be THAT certain this is not a scam, since he not only put his reputation on the line, but will face jail time if proven to be a crook??? What do you say? Heck if you meet this challange, I will never post on this board again,...but, if you meet it, then your reputation is offically on the line (it is already on the line in most ppl's books anyways, as you are the key advocate calling it a scam outright...SO, buddy, how confident are you ? [this is a good post, since these negative remarks about this company are slanderous and damaging..so I ask the moderator to keep it posted, and not delete it if they are true investors of this company and are concerned about it well being]
hey buddy, I missed you...where have you been? I saw so many of your posts as of late that this party doesnt seem the same w/o you...Listen, let me ask you a question about this company? I am very curious, as I am impressed with you...108 people marks ...been around since August 29, 2006 on these boards,,,have your own boards....wow! you must have a lot of experience...NO? I feel so small standing next to you man...I dont have any posting history on penny land so dont have the experience you have I guess...well ok....let me ask your expert opinion then....How sure are you that HGLC and FFGO are scams? I meant, since you have made this claim numerously, I want to know how confident you are of it (give a percent confident of it being a scam (with 0=no chance for a scam and 100% being positive it is a scam)....
PD
You bet it! 50 mill will make a big difference...Even this buyback, the moment the valuations are complete, and HGLC takes to offer, will send this stock rocketing...The only leg the haters have to stand on is "it is not real, it is a scam, bla, bla , bla" they have no other argument, since they cannot see the beauty of this play...I guess what ppl stay is true after all ' beauty is in the eyes of the beholder' ;)
-PD
Hey I answered your question by replying to overachiever...Check it out! I want to call him out cause I have something to say to him...
PD
The 50 million dollar buy back starts the moment the equity fund gets 51% shareownership...from the looks of it, it should not take long...Hold tight and follow the facts (press releases and your own DD), but dont surcome to asking such open ended question cause these guys pounch on it with a negative reply....
PD
Oh yea, they know it...we know it...even the bashers know it...lol...we are all just waiting...Just to think, they havent even used one cent of the 50 million dollars yet, and when the equity fund gets 51% and gives the green light....Its game over for these rookie bashers....Another very wild theory...what if these bashers are here to keep the pps down just so the buyback stays cheap???Things may not be what they seem, as we know from experience...This 3 cent number didnt just come out of nowhere? There has to be a strategy in place to make sure the pps doesnt drop during its climb...If you take a good look at FFGO as of late, you will see hints at lumbs and santini's style of play...They are using the buyback when the pps starts dropping...by does this, they not only pick up shares on the cheap but keep shakin the tree to weed out the weak hands...These bashers that create fear to drop the pps, are feeding right into it and making a lot of weaker players lose a lot of money...How do you think they feel? These weak players that get scared and sell just to see the stock turn around? Probably pretty shitty but they are feeding into the scam conspiracy and those that are strong enough to play the chart, Level 2, volume numbers, PR's, among other tools are making a killing...Jesse Livermore (the greatest trader on earth) use to say that, "on a trading day I need silence, I need to speak with no one and listen to know one, as everything during the trading day is a distracion expect the numbers and the tape....If anything anyone says is valid, the tape will tell me" I am almost staring to see how genius livermore was, because he would dare not be influenced by message boards...BUT that was the 1920's and this is the digital future...I guess for us, we just need to be good at seperating fact from fiction while surfing these boards. GOOD LUCK !
-PD
it was mentioned in a recent pr that the equity group has aquired 31% of outstanding shares...that was last week...who knows when they Reach 51%? Could happen any day as they are aggressivly approaching large block shareholders with offers near the bidding price of 3 cents!!!once that target get hit, then in comes the ffgo troops with 50 million dollars of amo, and booooom! The rest is history and if all goes well, this should be in the pennies in no time...look at how quickly ffgo turned around today with company buybacks! 50 mill is a big number for a buyback and it could make a huge difference here since the float is so low...good luck..hope that helps.
-PD.
a pr stated that they will start using the 50 mill once the equity fund has aquired the 51% needed for voting rights...IMO, they are playing it smart cause once they use the 50mill, this stock will explode! If that happens bf the equity fund seizes the required shares, then they will have to up their bid by a lot to convince shareholders to hand over their shares...ss prices go up, ppl will start demanding more for their shares....since these two are on the same team, this strategy will be better in the long run for the equity fund to buy cheaper than they have to....with such a low float, this stock would explode if the 50 million were to be applied....cant wait !!!
-PD
U r going to court over it? Do u really think your words r not slander (laugh) snd now r using the public info card...i did not see any proof of a scam, no charges of a scam, no court verdict on jail time for fraud, no evidence of theft? Can your public records prove this scam? I know many talented lawyers that can help u if what u have is true? Why dont u get the info of ur witnesses and documents and take these guys to count...you seem to have a lot of opinions based on opinions...will they hold in court? Will your slander defence hold in court? You 3 have been on ffgo all day, and now come over here with ur ranter babble? Get lost if ya dont like the play or take a seat and enjoy the show (smile)
-PD
the answers to your statement will be available in a short while when the certs are canceled...stay tuned til then...maybe u will learn that not ALL companies are scams on pinkyland and try to be more objective in ur team america crusade againt everyone...this pps have been damaged heavy by its past...u dont beleive in 2nd chances? Why not bsse opinions on current facts rather than putting the company through yhe same accusations that brought it here in the 1st place....in the court of law, what ur doing is double jeopardy...try using new and uptodate info if u want a new case and convince the jury...some ppl here are smarter than u think...if u want to covince them, they want current facts ( as in when this play started July 11th, 2008)! Any evidence bf that date is indeed double jeopardy and is now slander to a company trying to fix its pps!
-PD
Do you know something that we dont know...you say that it IS a scam? I am calling you what you are, am I not? Oh, you dont like name calling now? I see...and calling a company a scam is not name calling? It doesnt feel good when others call u names but to call CEOs names and companies names is called for...get my point yet? Those 4 letter words are big words and they have clearly pissed of santini (CEO) of FFGO....forget lumb for a second....u r also accusing santini of being a scam by association....his rep is on the line here as he has invested for ffgo shareholders in hhgl...his rep has no weight to you? What proof do u have that santini is a scammer? I know a few good lawyers...r u prepared to take him to court? Maybe he should take u guys to court for slander? How would that be? Do you think u can defend yourself after such slanderous accusation? Maybe all u guys should go to court...I'm not even a lawyer and I see hole in your argument from a mile away..the court would sink you and ur buddies in a heartbeat! I cannot attest for lumb, but santini has backed him up...in my city, when one does that, they are putting their rep on the line and lose it if things go bad...u guys speak of reputations but dont know a thing about respect and reputation...give the man a break, he seems to be working his but off(santani) and needs to be given time hust like everyone else:..its a cleche, but true, 'rome wad not built in one day' and neither was this!
agreed, fear is an unreasoning force that needs to be kept in check! Good luck! The supporters need to step up here and make a wall against the BS that is being posted...Would hate to lose ground on this one troops, so let the war games begin!!Who is wit me?? I already know who is not..lol..They can toss and turn all they want, but cannot stop a bull once it moves..If they try, we all know the outcome of an angry bull All the best this week and next...There was indication that the Dr. Phantom will be arriving shortly with his updated valuation of mockingbird!!!what will happen when this happens??? I'll leave that one open ended...lol.
-PD
Yep, they all split at once...that tells you something too...These guys are not jus creating awareness but they're there to raise doubt...What a game! Others need to step up if this play in gonna run like we want it to. Later man..too funny! Hit em wit an iron clad fist! Thats my motto...But u know they dont quit and will be back 4 sure..Cheers!
-PD
alright!!!lets bring on the heat this week!!! The chart does look nuts right now!!! On all we need is the right catalyst and off it goes.
PD
lol..I didnt know that you were getting rattled up over there either...I am so tired of these guys that I had to challenge them...the come back in such stupid PM that it makes my day...For real, this play is getting more and more interesting due to all this drama...now, I am really wanting to see what transpired...I think I pushed a few button with my postings today...lol you should read some of the comments that i am getting on my PM file..later man!
-PD
I agree fully and am also tired of this BS. I am also speaking directly to the moderators of this board, that none of these posts by myself, nor prisoner should ever be deleted, as these negative posts are just as damaging to this stock, as the posts that you guys 'feel' should be deleted. Let it all out fella's . If ya want to keep your stances than so be it...Dont go around here and post your opinion if your not prepared to have some 'freethinkers' post their opinions as well. This entire ordeal of challenging back and forth is quite stupid as NO one really has the answers...SO why the hell are you guys SO freakin confident in your opinions that it is a scam? DONT ANSWER THAT PLEASE!..lol..it was a retorical question that I already know the answer to, as I , as well as many other unbiased posters, can see your points loud and clear, we are just not going around board to board trying to 'enlighten' ppl that do not wish to be 'enlightened' by you guys...get the messages !...TRANSLATION, ADIOS AMIGOSSSSS!!!! (smile)
-PD
lol..what doesn't make sense to you might make sense to someone else...I love the judgment that you guys pass on anyone that is willing to see this thing as possibly legit...The message that I posted makes a lot of sense to me, since I was indirectly trying to slap some sense into the guy that this position of 'jumping on the beleif' that this play is surely a scam, is just as redicious to me as my position is to you that it 'could not be a scam after all'...It was very relivant to the message board, as this debate of our befeifs about this company have been tossed around for weeks, if not months...I was trying to see how certain you guys were of this 'beleif' that you guys have that it is a SCAM, and was trying to see if you were willing see 'this case' in different light...It is clear that I am dealing with very bias ppl, and know when you call it quits ...It is not nearly close to calling it quits on this play as it is to calling it quits on you guys. Wish u all the best, but will be signing off on this one man show, as it is clear the only guys around today are the guys that only see 'one point of view at a time'. Later !
-PD
If this company moves up, it will ONLY move once things are CONFIRMED and things are no longer viewed at speculation of a scam in the making...IF I bought in at even current price of .006 and sold at .015, that STILL gives the next guys a change to make a profit from ,015 to .03 and if he gives to someone else who was sleeping until the word got out...WELL, that guy can STILL buy at .03, watch the share sxr change and see long term profits above .03 when mining begins..I am being challanged by posters that are convinced that this play IS A SCAM...Their view is that there is NO doubt about it and this WILL go down...My little philosiphy metaphor in my last post was simple (if you are CONVINCED that it is a scam, then that is your beleif...Yea, you all stand by this beleif, BUT if it turns out to NOT be a scam, than you all faught for NOTHING...It was to challenge you guys to think from BOTH sides...IF that is NOT possible, then big deal...We are not here to change others opinions but express our own. And to the comment that I KNOW that it is a scam and a willing to bank profit at others expense???To me it is quite simple, This play WILL NOT move up (and I will not be able to make further profit) until this is SHOWN to be legit by documentation...once that happens, I will play for profit, just cause U do a short term play, does not mean that a long term investor wont make EVEN more profit...I am honest with my position cause I dont play long term, as I am primarity in other oil and natural gas plays that I want to increase a position in...I have been reading many of your posts, as well as the other usual suspects...If my postion has not been clear, I will make it clear...I have written on this board, not to 'pump' or 'support' a scam, but because I have also done my homework here and see the possibility of this materializing...AND only if it materializes, do I see myself making further profits, as well as other ppl making profit if I choose to sell to them...I am a business man above all, and do not sell BS to ppl, (weather it be my real-estate holdings or stock holding)...IF this does not materialize, I have already protected my assets my selling the amount that I came it with...If it drops, I will sell lower (of course, since it takes time to sell), but will have lost NOTHING...IF it goes nowhere, then I will sell at current PPS as someone else assurmes my position (but also assumes the risk/reward of the play)...There are no bagholders here if this play moves, becasue there is already too much suspicion of this play...IT WILL NOT MOVE UNTIL THERE IS PROOF...once that occurs, how can you sit there and pass judgement on ppl wanting to sell early if the receiver also makes profit...I see a common trend, plain and simple, most ppl who responded to my messages are against this stock and cannot even comprehend the slightest possibility that it could be legit...If the risk is too great, then why are you guys even in the stock market? why not try something else safer? Risk is the nature of the beast, but the rewards are also there for the taking!
ps- this is useless volleying back and forth...You guys stand where you stand and we stand where we stand...Pick a side and make a quiet opinion...stop this continuous challanging of my logic or others logic by calling them 'names' and be more mature and professional about things. This is a message board to exchange ideas, not to accuse people of not having a 'concience' or 'moral'...That is childish and very narrow-minded to say the least, and I dont appreciate judement being passed when it is not rightfully due. Good luck to you on your other ventures as this one is not for you as well.
-PD
my friend, if this post was meant for me...then I will answer...I respect money as it is a trading mechanism that allows oneself the function economically...I dont 'throw money into a blender ' as ya say...I have likely done more DD than yourself on this play ( check my post history and see for yourself) if I use DD but not form an opinion as yourself, that does not mean that either is right...the DD is what it is...our interpretaion of the DD is quite different...if all minds thought alike, the would be no diversity of opinion...as I challenged overachiever to think outside the box on the scam stereotype, I will challenge you to do the same...I have seen this phenom many times where ppl die for a belief, but a beleif is a beleif and nothing more...did they die for nothing? No, cause they died for their beleif ...the odd part is what makes them so certain they were right? If they were able to challenge their own beleif, would they still have died for it? Who knows? But the point is, they might have lived just by thinking outside their beleif!!!
-Pd
we will see now wont we...so far i've managed to triple my initial capital, take my initial off the table...so really there's is nothing lost that i had bf the play...AND if this momo comes then its another double or triple straight to the bank!!! ;-$ you see my friend, i play not on fear, hope, or greed, but reason and skill...the chart looks geat! The momo is around the corner...need i say anything else$$$$$
hope u do save some ppl from saving money cause not everyone makes money on everyplay out there...legit or scam? The yin or the yang? Brain teaser or not?ur approach is quite simple...very easy to conclude scam, but also conclude u have NOT and will NOT make any money if this play is real! Ur right of course, as many scams exist...but the word had more or less become a steriotype around these pennyland parts, and it can become quite narrow minded also...Challenge yourself buddy, try to see outside the box on the plays legitimacy also (view both sides as i do)..Read my post again w/o the bias attached...it might surprise u the possibility of legitimacy exist...if u think ur never wrong then u have much to learn about urself...it is human nature to convince oneself they are right...well, good luck to ur other ventures ss this one is not for ya! have aleady got my capital back(as it was coming to me) and i may one day buy you a cofee one day for ur tireless efforts on this play!
PD.
I totally agree with ur post and am starting to see how time consuming dd on this company and its dealing actually are...decided to stop wasting time thinking about it and will be playing the chart, the tape, and momo only from now on...too much of a brain teaser otherwise...Cheers!
-PD
Here is company contact...It is on the bottom of the PR's:
Contact:
For further information contact:
Mr. Michael G. Saner
Hunt Gold Corporation
E Mail: Email Contact
Telephone: (954) 840-6956
Can ppl start calling and email this guy for some damn answers...
Train of thought on my last posting was simple, but wordy so I will try to be brief...If this equtiy fund 'had 90billion shares and has '31% of outstanding shares, then that shows that total distributed shares are in fact 300billion...IF most are restricted, aside from the free floating, then there is no point in trying to snatch more shares up on the open market...If ffgo has 20% of resticted shares, the equity group now has 30%, the dividends is ?10%, and the directors and insiders have a big chunk ?10-20%, that only leaves (just guessing) 20-30% of the OS available for this equity group to try to buy off market...BUT the question is, where the hell is that investment group gone? yea, they didnt own 51% of shares, but i remember that there were large shareholders comprising that group...even if they had 20% of held shares, then that pretty much account for everything...Then, how the heck is this equity group going to take control, if they still need 20% of the OS and there are none willing to sell them...I only way that I can see them taking ownership is buy doing a buyout offer, and hoping that the HGLC managment bites...Now that depends on how high the offer gets...But Im also very confused why this PPS is not following the buyout offer price? Could it be that there are no more free floating shares available and being traded...The volume is very low lately and most ppl are on the fence...ppl are just buying and selling the same shares back and forth at a minor fluctuation back and forth...Likely, the are all sceptic if this buyout is real and are not sure to raise their sell orders to the 3 cent mark...I mean If everyone on this board up their ask to 3 cents, then the only ppl that will be buying/selling this low would be the mm's...It doesn't seem like anyone is really doing anything right now, cause if they did, the pps would either be at 3 cents or drop to the ground on a major sell off...This daily trading is nothing right now and shows that not too many ppl are willing to trade shares right now...Maybe that will change? But just wondering why no reaction? yea...and I dont want the simple explanation of a scam...etc...Lets get some more insightful answers please...Cheers...This one has be quite perplexed as of late, I'll tell ya that much. In a simple sentence, I will sum my thought up...I think that this baby will NOT move UNLIL investor start beleiving that the PPS is worth 3 cents a share..I also think, that once everyone is convinced, then the asks will go up accordingly...It all seems too shady right now and our MANAGEMENT NEEDS to step up and justify why they are not taking the offer and why they think it is worth refusing..ppl NEED to hound this management via email or phone to find this DAMN answer...am getting tired of all the confusion and questions w/o answers at this point...This is NO point in sitting around and waiting for another PPS, and ppl spread the word and begin hounding these guys (WT heck r we paying them for in they cannot answer a simple question)..this ambiguity is geting ridiculous right about now and the negative posts are starting to raise eyebrows.
-PD
Q for anyone to tackle...What happened to the 'investment group' from back in July 11th that took 51% voting control and then lost it? did they actually have 51% of shares (I recall mention that they didnt have the shares but another arrangement was set up...how is that possible)and if now that investment group is still around, with maybe 40-50%, then would that not leave this new EQ group only limited room to buy up the restricted share amount,,,meaning if FFGO has 20 something % and this EQ group has 30 something %, and the divis account for (I dont know 8-10% (26 ??billion of the possible 300billion)) and the free float is 400something million ( .5 to 1% of the total 300 bill)not to mention the board of director shares, and insider shares which are likey not up for grabs at all, THEN...does that not pretty much account for all the shares out there???if that is the case, then where the heck does this new EQ fund expect to get the shares from? I mean, what if a mass majority of the initial investment group are not willing to let go of their postion (where there not large shareholders comprised of the investment group alongside the institutional group),,,,then would not the only other viable option be for this new EQ Fund to do a buyout offer to take over...How else would the get the shares if major remaining shareholders dont want to let go of their shares? They cant buy at open market cause, aside from the float, all other shares are restricted? and the free float is already controlled by FFGO, which this new EQ group already has on their side...Does anyone see what I am seeing? or am I on dope? As much as I didnt care about the detail...It is now buggin me out until the curtain is unvailed...lol...
ps- if this is all true, then would the EQ groups ONLY real option here not be to raise the bid until management bites,,,what if they are not gready, but know this too and are also wanting to have better profits???
-PD
very interesting...thx..but still dont get the ordeal about a buyout...in the situation of a buyout? then are you saying that the buyout price does NOT get multiplied by the OS of 300billion? There is also an indication that the OS number here has been utilized, rather that an invisible cap, since the PR mentions that the EQ fund has 90 billion shares (approx 30% interest)...if 90 billion is 30% of total shares, then total shares would be 300 billion, would they not? Why use a number to 300billion to assess EQ fund piece of the pie if 300billion does not reflect the entire pie? Still very confused about this process and the calculations? Can you or anyone clarify as this question has been on EVERY1's mind for a while and no one seems to know the answer...R there no mathematicains or economics major on the boards??? what's the dillie here in plain english about how much the EQ fund needs to cough up at current bid to take over??these numbers seem too big and it has clearly been the 'talk of the town' on here and even on yahoo message boards...
-P.
****IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS*****
First of all, my overacheiving friend, when you post, please refrain from such headlines as 'breaking news', when the news is an archive. Second of all, you had the 'leadership' to reveal to all your fellow poster of this link and information, however missed some things 'accidentially, I presume' that are very crucial to viewing this...A fellow poster already brought this link up July 28th/08 (Posting #4197) and I will lay this out nice and easy so everyone can follow along (maybe we can have a group hug afterwards?)
1.Go to this link: http://www.mcintyrebaumangroup.com/mcb_properties_az_ca.htm
Then notice the company name (ie.mcintyrebaumangroup)... Remember the bauman part! Also while you're here notice the several mines and as my friend pointed out, notice some familiar names? My friend suspects the HGLC does not own anything...Ok...lets go to the next link.
2. Go to this link:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=31030207
Now, notice the question that this email asks? Do you see who it's addressed to?...info@mcintyrebaumangroup.com...And did you read the response?...VERIFIED. IT'S THEIR MINE!...Did you notice who the return email came from?(frederickcbauman@aol.com)...notice the bauman? Ring a bell? Notice the date of this posting...Remember it!It is important!Ok..now that we have established proof from the horses mouth himself (I challenge anyone to email this company to re-verify or refute the validity of this answer), The next question to ask is why was this information not mentioned in my friends beautiful news posted today? Still wondering?...Ok..Lets go to the next link.
3. Go to this link:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=31012686
Now, notice who this is posting away against our company? and notice what day this posting is? See any correlation with the day that the email verification was posted? Notice a match? Ok..Now that we have verified that my friend was indeed around on THIS board the SAME day that this was posted...The next question that comes to mind? Why o why does he 'overlook' such things? Care to elaborate buddy?
4. I am not going to make a conclusion for you as I think it is obvious, and dont really care if others dont dig deep enough to find the 'real facts'...but this one was to easy to rebutle, as are many posts on the board.
5. Any comments? And holes in my argument? Do share? Certain ppl are doing a number on this play and cannot obviously keep it down...Wonder what one might have to gain by behaving in such a manner? What a perplexing world we live in, wouldn't ya say? care for a hug overacheiver?..lol.
-Preet
I beleive that lumb is not satisfied with only 51% (only voting rights) but wants the whole Shabang (100%) so he doesn't have to answer to anyone...he is after the assets of this company and will likely make a killing after the assets materialize...also, he benefits from the PPS rise and hype by watchin ffgo grow from the process(since they hold the free float and he is now big holder over there too...hows that? Happy (smile)
-PD
hmmm???so I checked his response again to my hypothesis.. You recall me giving him the option of responding with a cold or warm signal?...Well, feeling 'warm inside', as he put it, looks like a 'your quite warm' if ya ask me???Now the question is, how to fully benifit from this entire ordeal, any thoughts, my prisoner buddy??
P.
cheers bud...will contact you when I finish this play and jump on ship for petty land...I have many hypothesis about this one of course and no way to see behind the curtains, but the story that I presented seems quite obvious to the astute thinker,,,Cause that is what he should do if I is not already planning it...simple logic,,,,Oh well, lets enjoy the run up, and jump off before everyone else does...I just cant nail yet where this damn PPS is headed,,,im thinking tomarrow will tell a lot,,,where do you see it goes realistically? I think if it doesnt nail .025, it should test .015, at it already challanged .008-.01 3 or 4 times. Later.
-Preet
lol..I figured out how to PM you without PMing you...I tell you something,,,there is a lot of basis for my hypothesis and I am usually pretty good at figuring things out...I guess we will see what happens, but the reaction is something to ponder for the next while,,,Either way, I wanna make some profit and invest very heavy in FMNJ.PK...I am buzy with studies for a few months and this will be my last active play for a bit,,by that time even good ol petty will get his act together,..lol
-Preet
prisoner, I dont have PM, but we do definately think alike..That response was very interesting indeed and I sent it on purpose to see the reaction...just not too sure what to make of it quite yet, but verrry interesting indeed...Will probe a bit further
ps- I once cld him like the 'joker' from batman, but now more like the 'riddler'..lol.
-Preet
And another question of curiosity that I have for you, S.L., is about this mention of a merger (in the HGLC PR) with another mining company that the equity group is involved in...Is this not a confict of opinion with regards to your stance on seperate management for seperate assets? What is your stance on these merger talks?
-ps..You should read some of my recent posting regarding yourself as the topic of choice this week...Been having to hold off the pussycats with a stick on several occasions...really quite commical if your read em.
-Preet