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Well, a person could just give up and walk away like so many wish to see from longs holding hundreds of milllions of commons that are gonna cost the FDIC/JPmand arm and a leg.
Addtionally, even if I can't make it to speak in court, there might be someone willing to restate the same points.
But we know the judge does read docs if she chooses. Often objections full of relevant facts are received and kept in chambers for for weeks before being posted to kccllc.
I'd rather write the court and the other 50 people at the DOJ, bankruptcy Review, etc. than complain on a message board.
Gotcha FSSHN, I'll check now so you dont have to wait. I know from one 10-k link, yo can change the date parameters to get the other or from another company.
I also have a relevant shareholder letter - might be the one. right after receiverhip.
Give me a few..........
Thanks everybody. FSSHN, I got these off the 10-k's of EDGAR, I will post links tomorrow at some point tomorrow night when I get back from work.
I have them saved .
AND I did send one to Rosey LOL and about 15 others, including our dear Judge and SS/AG.
In the actual objection, I put paper copies of each 10k with highlights where the WMI companies are located within the JPM 10-k's. I was going to try and wait for the 2010 due March 1st for more knockout punch, but wanted this to get to JMW's desk in plenty of time. Incidently, the last JPM 10-k was out early Feb. 24, 2010 - Why the delay this time??????? Dotting I's, crossing T's, erasing Z's LOL??
I will give her an update about 2010 if the DS is approved, that way i have a built - in reason to resubmit this objection with more information.
To me, this is the simplest, most clear cut reason why this Cwrappy POS POR can be shut down, its so simple even the tiny details within 'the details' dont really matter, like DG1 says, it all there in black and white, END OF STORY!
POR denied, Rosey removed, creditors crammed, etc. It cant get any clearer than this.
If nothing else, the only way the debtors/FDIC/JPM can challenge this, is proving they have the authority to move those billions in assets by providing a 3.1a or some other document; which they would've by now if they had a ligitamete reason to shift holding company subsidiaries.
Changes are a comin!
Here is my objection to DS and is mailed today. May it sink the cWrap or force a 3.1a or equivalent. (minus the exibits which are in the mailed copies.) Few subtle shout outs to Diamond Guru in there!!!! IHUB's online format has changed the layout here, but the real one isnt so jumbled.
February 25, 2011
Hon. Mary F. Walrath
United States Bankruptcy Court
District of Delaware
824 Market Street, 5th Floor
Wilmington, DE 19801
Re: In re Washington Mutual, Inc., et al. Case Number 08-12229 (MFW) (Jointly Administered)
Objection to the Modified Disclosure Statement
Dear Judge Walrath,
I am objecting to the Modified Disclosure Statement based upon irrefutable evidence of bankruptcy fraud as shown in the 2008 and 2009 10-K annual financial statements of JP Morgan Chase, NA.
I am an aggrieved shareholder from the day of receivership whose 401k was completely destroyed. I am both a preferred and primarily common owner of WAHUQ’s and WAMUQ’s. I have collected information to share with the court that has not been put forth as of yet.
Since March of last year when the Global Settlement Agreement (GSA) was announced, and the stock price deflated in epic proportions many minutes before Mr. Rosen could even speak the words that equity was out of the money, I became accutely aware that the debtors were not upholding their fiduciary duty to the estate and what was left of shareholder equity was about to be pummeled again beyond imagination.
Most aggravating to myself, shareholders, and outsiders around the world looking in with disbelief, even more than the money lost after all these years, is the blatant and continued bankruptcy fraud and insider trading of massive proportions that was and still is being perpetrated by the GSA triad of the Debtors/Council, the FDIC, and JP Morgan under the approving eye of their legal representation.
There are countless shareholder objections already with regards to Washington Mutual Inc.’s missing assets on the docket dealing with the debtors ridiculously inaccurate, unaudited, and misleading MORs, missing NOLs and VISA shares, the $4 billion on deposit still waiting for summary judgment, the missing $25 billion plus from the initial Chapter 11 filing, the $10 plus billions in Washington Mutual Inc.’s BOLI/COLI assets now blatantly residing with JP Morgan, the fire-sale of Washington Mutual Inc’s Cedarbroooke Lodge and downtown Seattle high rise complex with artwork by JP Morgan during bankruptcy proceedings, and the illegal gifting of NOL’s to TARP taking JP Morgan, etc., all of which put equity unquestionably into the money, much to Mr. Rosen’s chagrin and best efforts to date.
Instead I am going to speak about the most blatant evidence of fraudulent conveyance and theft from shareholders by the Debtors/Council, aided by the FDIC, and abetted and ‘fenced’ by JP Morgan behind the back of Your Honor’s court. The evidence raises enough questions that make this ‘wrap’ charade of Mr. Rosen worthy of the wastebasket at a minimum, and a sincere but unencumbered push for honest valuation of the Debtor immediate and absolutely necessary; all the while supported by a new law firm, who performs ALL its fiduciary duties to the estate, not just to those whom he is legally conflicted with and beholden to.
The proof has been in plain view and ‘black and white’ in the corporate 10-K filings of Washington Mutual Inc. and JP Morgan since day one. When a comparison is made of Washington Mutual Inc.’s 10-K within 6 months of receivership and Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing, to JP Morgan’s 10-K over the last couple of years, one can see which Washington Mutual Inc. holding company subsidiaries in bankruptcy were illegally transferred during bankruptcy proceedings, by and through piercing Washington Mutual Inc.’s corporate veil, both upon the receivership and continuing after Washington Mutual Inc.’s Chapter 11 filing to this very day, behind the back of Your Honor’s court.
For the courts convenience I have attached the following and highlighted the Washington Mutual Inc. subsidiaries appearing in JP Morgan’s 10-K’s without any legal justification:
Exhibit A: Washington Mutual Inc’s 10-K, excerpt of the last available List of Subsidiaries dated 2/29/2008, within 6 months of filing Chapter 11 declaration.
Exhibit B: JP Morgan’s 10-K ending 12/31/2008, excerpt containing List of Subsidiaries.
See pages 3, 4, 6 of 11.
Exhibit C: JP Morgan’s 10-K ending 12/31/2009, excerpt containing List of Subsidiaries.
See pages 3,4,6,7 of 9.
Exhibit D: JP Morgan’s 10-K ending 12/31/2010, (not available till 3/1/2011). I will send in an addendum to this objection with further analysis for the year 2010. For now, the picture is crystal clear by analyzing the years 2008, 2009.
Comparative Analysis of JP Morgan’s 10-k List of Subsidiaries retaining WMI subs:
For JP Morgan’s 10-K 2008, we see the following Washington Mutual Inc non-banking subsidiaries; that should be part of the assets of the Debtors estate in their Chapter 11 proceedings which puts equity far into the money; but have ‘vanished’ and magically reappear with JP Morgan; and that are NOT part of the FDIC Washington Mutual Bank “whole-bank” receivership. There are a total of 25 non-banking WMI subsidiaries fraudulently conveyed to JP Morgan by the Debtors/Council and the FDIC:
California Reconveyance Company Commercial Loan Partners L.P.
FA Out-Of-State Holdings, Inc. Ahmanson Marketing, Inc.
FA California Aircraft Holding Pacific Centre Associates LLC
WMRP Delaware Holdings LLC Irvine Corporate Center, Inc.
Rivergrade Investment Corp. Savings of America, Inc.
WaMu Insurance Services, Inc. Washington Mutual Community Development, Inc.
HCP Properties, Inc. Pike Street Holdings, Inc.
Providian Bancourt Services Seafair Securities Holding Corp.
Second and Union LLC Stockton Plaza, Inc.
Washington Mutual Brokerage Holdings,Inc WaMu Investments, Inc.
Washington Mutual Mortgage Securities Co WM Marion Holdings LLC
WM Specialty Mortgage LLC WM Winslow Funding LLC
WMICC Delaware Holdings LLC
For JP Morgan’s 10-K 2009, we see the above 2008 Washington Mutual Inc. non-banking subsidiaries still blatantly remaining with JP Morgan. Suspiciously, 4 of the above, Washington Mutual Brokerage Holdings, Inc., WaMu Investments, Inc., WM Specialty Mortgage LLC, and WM Winslow Funding are missing in 2009. What Debtor holding company assets that could put equity far into the money, were in these subsidiaries before the JP Morgan chop shop – the BOLI/COLIs, cash, real estate, all the above? Is JP Morgan trying to bury the ‘corpse’ so to speak after stripping the valuables? Does JP Morgan’s part in the ‘robo-signing’ foreclosure scandal gripping this nation have anything to do with the rapid fencing of Washington Mutual Inc.’s real estate assets?
Fraudulent conveyance blatantly continues in 2009 with the help of the Debtors/Council and the FDIC as JP Morgan snatches up an additional 8 more Washington Mutual Inc. holding company subsidiaries such as Ahmanson Land Company, CRP Properties, Inc., ECP Properties, Inc., North Properties, Inc., WaMu Asset Acceptance Corp, WaMu Capital Corp., WM Asset Holdings Corp, and Washington Mutual Preferred Funding LLC.
There are now a total of 29 Washington Mutual Inc non-banking subsidiaries fraudulently conveyed DURING bankruptcy proceedings in Your Honor’s court to JP Morgan, aided and abetted by the Debtors/Council and the FDIC. What is the value of these subsidiaries and why were these particular ones illegally transferred during bankruptcy proceedings over this year? Is this more money laundering through ‘robo-signing’ foreclosures on WMI holding company real estate assets by JP Morgan? What immense value do these 8 companies have for the Debtors/Council, the FDIC, and JP Morgan to continue to commit bankruptcy fraud by secretly transferring WMI holding company assets throughout these proceedings behind the courts back?
California Reconveyance Company Commercial Loan Partners L.P.
FA Out-Of-State Holdings, Inc. Ahmanson Land Company
Ahmanson Marketing, Inc. CRP Properties, Inc.
ECP Properties, Inc. FA California Aircraft Holding
Pacific Centre Associates LLC WMRP Delaware Holdings LLC
Irvine Corporate Center, Inc North Properties, Inc.
Rivergrade Investment Corp Savings of America, Inc.
WaMu Insurance Services, Inc Washington Mutual Community Development, Inc.
HCP Properties, Inc. Pike Street Holdings, Inc.
Providian Bancourt Services Seafair Securities Holding Corp
Second and Union LLC Stockton Plaza, Inc
WaMu Asset Acceptance Corp WaMu Capital Corp
WM Asset Holdings Corp Washington Mutual Preferred Funding LLC
Washington Mutual Mortgage Securities Co WM Marion Holdings LLC
WMICC Delaware Holdings LLC
For JP Morgan’s 10-K 2010 List of Subsidiaries; which has yet to arrive as of this objection statement; it can only be worse - if the past is indicative of the future, it will be full of more obfuscation and bankruptcy fraud with continued aiding and abetting by the Debtors/Council and the FDIC as the prior years 2008 and 2009 above definitively attest. I will update this court with a further comparison of 2010 as an addendum to this objection after March 1, 2011. I felt it urgent to get this to the court’s attention before the Disclosure Statement hearing and felt it comfortably sufficient in detail to prove the point enough at this juncture.
Conclusion:
In summary Your Honor; while reflecting upon today’s hearing of February 25th, 2011, the court was rightfully concerned about the $31 million the Debtors were moving around without your permission; I was suddenly reminded again of the obvious trail of billions of dollars in equity in JP Morgan Chase’s 10-K’s and driven to speak about it - that which has always been out front and center and in ‘black and white’ before us all since day one. The past, present, and future become crystal clear as these facts get the opportunity to speak for themselves on the court record.
It is clear that the Global Settlement Agreement comprised of the Debtors/Council, the FDIC, and JP Morgan Chase, is nothing but an alibi to provide the necessary cover to smash and grab anything of value that belongs to the shareholders. They have done their best to make the ‘story’ so convoluted, in hopes that everyone will have a theory, but no one can sort out the facts. Your Honor, the facts are here in the simplest of terms, in black and white; irrefutable!
There can be no other response or priority to these fraudulent activities, than stopping the ‘cwrap train’ in its busted tracks and immediately removing the Conductor Mr.Rosen of Weil, Gottshal, Manges, who as the charged gatekeeper of the estate, has willingly and unforgivably let this fraud be perpetrated against the true owners of Washington Mutual Inc., again and again.
Second, decisively cramming down or completely disallowing the claims of those inside traders, who bought for pennies on the dollar and still feverishly work day and night based on their privileged seat at the GSA table, to pillage and pirate every scrap of value that belongs to an honest equity.
Finally, I wish that Your Honor demand and quest for a true, immediate, and absolute valuation of the Debtors, whereby we can emerge from Chapter 11 in a manner worthy of everything this country stands for, and that the whole world’s investment community is watching and waiting for.
I pray Your Honor grants us this relief, which is fair and reasonable.
Sincerely,
I don't get it either. This inability of the judge to grow a pair is the most frustrating and frightening aspect of this whole case to me. My lack of understanding why, is what worries me the most on this investment.
I usually just shove it to the back of my mind, and as this is my first foray into BK's or any stock for that matter, I tell myself it just is what it is.
The DD is strong amongst us, and I beleive she puts her foot down when absolutely necessary, in her mind at least. It must just be how it works in giving every individual/corporation/group their rights of due process. We can see it clear as day and she probably can as well, but the wHedgies still legally get to operate according to the rights we all would have if we were in there shoes. I am sure if Susman felt worried about it he'd file something to her court and JMW would get pissed and do something.
The fact that SS hasnt yet is fine with me as it reinforces my personal belief that he already has what he wanted in the first place, he just wanted to make sure there wasnt any other tidbits or colluders before he drops the hammer.
nice post L!
Yawn! Evidently.
Appaloosa and Owl Creek served objections and responses to EC
Appaloosa http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110225000000000012.pdf
Owl
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110225000000000016.pdf
FYI If anybody is looking for a list of WMI subs that has an actual source to back it up rather than the list we pass around alot and take for granted, myself included - Feb 29, 2008 is the most recent I could find by starting in early 2009 and working backwards in time. I've always worried/wondered where exactly this subsidiary list came from.
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=5769335-1470222-1482034&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=10353&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcompanyid%253d10353
Anyone have JPM 10-k 2010 list of subsidiaries they can refer link to? Working on DS objection letter to court. Thx
No doubt Voodoo, if Willingham left, I'd have to take a moment or five.....but the DD is so strong I'd eventually stay all in!
FYI- Similarities in Bet's objection to others is part of the plan...from Gibson on Y
"Our goal for these objections was to send in multiple copies to the court of each objection to both:
a) insure the debtors respond
b) have backup representation in court
So if you see a copy of Beth's filing (as in deek) IT IS NOT PLAGIARISM, it is merely fellow committed longs assisting each other and having a contingency plan. Beth is our planned rep for that filing but we need multiples if, for any reason, she could not attend.
There are 5-6 more objections coming and each may end up in multiple copies.
This is part of the plan, executed a bit clumsily--my error."
Thx Lawrence. Can you get into the WAMU specific listings? I can get to their main site, but when I go to WAMU it says IExplorer cant display?
I have a couple little pet projects; one to send to SS and also one for an upcoming DS objection; I am working on but can never find the time to sit down in a quiet space, gather my thoughts back where I left off, and finish them - always time to do a quick DD dig which is what I really enjoy the most.
Finding time for children,family, spouse, and WAMU is a lot of cooks in the kitchen. LOL
Is it just my computer or can anyone get into kccllc now to check Wamu?
so are you thinking that when she mentioned difficulty of collecting against JPM in her opinion on POR denial, that that was sort of a misleading label, that since the JPMC has the assets, she didnt really speak to them? Kinda still trying to give cover to a settlement if one should avail itself?
thx catz. dont mean to argue, just really feel what I read. thanks for your thoughts.
I realize they are talking about WAchovia as an upcoming transaction. But with REich's concerns, to me they digress for a moment.
The FDIC knows that the WAMU transaction is not closed either and by that token they would speak of it in the same way as Whachovia.
They dont know what it is going to cost them in the long run during that meeting, or now......reflected in Mr. Thomas' statements here.
And I agree "They are talking about a transaction that had YET to happen" - The WAMU transaction, that to this day is not closed.
AIMHO
I take it like this.....at the moment :)
the middle part of quote mentioning 'no cost to corporation' is clearly about WAMU.
"Mr. Thomas responded that, if the current
projection of no cost to the Corporation for the instant
transaction holds up, there will be no special assessment"
then the very next sentence, to equal out the reverse of the above sentence,
"Mr. Thomas responded that, if the current
projection of no cost to the Corporation for the instant
transaction holds up, there will be no special assessment"
clearly still talking about WAMU and I beleive if the BK screws equity than nothing changes.
Then the very next sentence after that, all in the same paragragh, Shelia Bair quips....
"Chairman Bair then added that
the Department of the Treasury has already agreed that, if there
are any losses attendant with the transaction, it will
separately fund those so that the Corporation's cash balance
would not be depleted in any way."
WAchovia was a buyout and the losses the FDIC was taking were already negotiated. Why mention any other losses unless none were thought to be assumed as in WAMU's case.
In the next sentence "She expressed her
thought" means to me she is getting back to the early subject of conversation being WAchovia, and that since Treasury has already agrreed to go against its principle in backstopping WAMU losses, it would do the same for WAchovia/Citi which hadn't happened as of yet.
AIMHO
FDIC Board Meeting minutes Sept 08 Bair says Treasury will pay up
http://c0182412.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/2010-0901-Wachovia-Package.pdf
There is a lot of dialogue about Wachovia, BUT page 93, OTS's Reich asks some question about WAMU and OMG, I think the context is about WAMU resolution, woven into Reich's fears of how Washovia could turn out. Read what Sheila says at the end! LORDY! Someone double check this, but it reads to me that we should hold out for every fuchin penny as Treasury has agreed to pay if indeed the FDIC is left holding the bag!!!!!!!!!
pg 93
Director Reich then inquired whether litigation risk could
come about from the fact that equity and debt holders were wiped
out in the acquisition of Washington Mutual Bank, Henderson,
Nevada, by JPMorgan Chase, National Association, Columbus, Ohio,
facilitated by the Corporation just on September 25, 2008. Mr.
Thomas responded that no one has a right to a systemic risk
determination. Director Reich then asked whether there is any
exposure to the depository institutions industry for a special
assessment. Mr. Thomas responded that, if the current
projection of no cost to the Corporation for the instant
transaction holds up, there will be no special assessment. On
the other hand, Mr. Thomas said that if it turns out that there
is a cost from the transaction as a result of the systemic risk
finding, then the industry would be assessed on assets minus
equity rather than on deposits. Chairman Bair then added that
the Department of the Treasury has already agreed that, if there
are any losses attendant with the transaction, it will
separately fund those so that the Corporation's cash balance
would not be depleted in any way.
Doesnt seem bad when you realize that 3% of the toxic mortgages were WAMU's, and the rest were mostly Bear Stearn's and JPM.
It's always about what the media isn't saying........just saying.
I'll give it a shot HROLLER.
Great summary, writing it down!
Fed Reserv Board of Gov Scott Alvarez in FCIC interview with Comissioner Holtz-Eakin that
"Yes, WE agree that there should not have been intervention in WAMU".
There you have it, another top govt official after Neil Kashkiri, saying that WAMU should never been seized. pg 84 2nd paragragh
http://c0182412.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/2010-0901-Transcript.pdf
and that's not even adding in what the DC litigation could bring later on, or will they lump that in with BK assets to make us go away in a lock, stock, barrel buyout.
With respect to mortgages only, JPM is signing as both grantee for the FDIC and grantor as JPM.
How? IHNFI. Seems clearly illegal unless like I've always suspected after a difficult 3.1a search, that there must be an addendum or another non-placebo P&A between FDIC/JPM that is allowing JPM to "manage" the assets on behalf of the FDIC, until the final price is established and the deal finally closed.
How else can anyone sign for both parties unless there is some paperwork to 'OK' this. How can title companies insure this without some 'OK' paperwork.
I think there is some other contract that the public is not privy to. I am trying to quiz all the title people I used to work with to see if I can get something, but I don't have the influence I used to.
I should have been more specific, of course not commons, but preferreds.
Same here. Money aside, I can't resist this story, like a moth to the light - and how it ends and what that will say about our country, which I refuse to give up on.
Cussip #, that's a great thought. Maybe why the EC is ok with the lockdown....maybe the request is coming soon after details from wHedgie discovery.
We could be extinct and broke or rich. Nobody knows.
But that's what's crazy is that even though POS POR is denied, noone will release the shares 5 weeks later.
KCCLLC says that debtors say they have to stay locked and EC is in agreement????1!! WTF
They are trying to keep shares locked down whhile they force the remodeled POR and votes through.
The latest about that is that Dollhairs on Y called EC and they said they would look into it.
So KCCLLC is obviously more than ever an agent for Rosenterd's lies - as it appears the EC is looking into it.
But there could be an EC strategy with going along with the lock so who knows.
good points. I think in two cases, if JPM buys WMI all out or WMI kills equity in a POS POR, than any NS don't have to be covered or exposed. IMO
So if your JPM and you knew eventually you'd have to pay something, you could NS it, if it took that extreme, to insure you pay little or next to nothing. If WMI wins in BK you pay little, if equity/EC wins they pay more. The longer the drag it out, they think there will be less players to pay. I hope everyone is like me. the longer this goes the more I buy and have tripled my holding these last few months.
This is why I dont want to settle with them for peanuts, they cant keep playing these illegal games going around the circle screwing over a differnent group of shareholders every few years.
Vampires.
Thanks for that reminder, NS's is the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
Maybe the EC wants preferreds locked up for the moment also because it helps keep an accounting of shares available/spent.
Is this when Ilene said there was some throwing under the bus?
Other creditor parties? Isnt JPM/FDIC claiming to be a creditor in this case also?
Hot dam, if we can get this turkey to sing like a canary, then JPM/FDIC might finally feel some FIRE!
Thanks. Time to read.
I keep trying to think of what is worse than risking the penalties of bankruptcy fraud and insider trading............why are they so afraid to give commons (and really preferreds will never see a cent due to "certain circumstance") a cent?
Naked Shorts? The key to their hostile takeovers past and present and the key to making billions. IS THEIR WHOLE ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY THROUGH NAKED SHORTS AT SERIOUS RISK OF FIRST EVER EXPOSURE?
What needs to be hidden so bad, that they will go to this trouble? They are desperately clawing/pushing/hammering to kill equity with Cwraps, etc making up the rules as they go along.
Something, somewhere, they are trying to bury must be bloody awful. Yet the corpse is in rigor and parts keep popping up through the soil, LOL, and they keep pushing and shoving the bits back down.
KCCLLC now holds our locked shares, not DTCC - and EC is agreeing to this...?1??!@?@#1??????
from Y from Dollhairs
OK in addition. I just got off the phone with Joe Bunning at KCCLLC 888-830-4644 who is the claims agent.
I was told exactly that the debtors were not going to release the shares until the new POR is considered AND THAT THE EQUITY COMMITTEE was in AGREEMENT.
Naturally, I immidiately contacted Susman Godfrey and left a message for the trial team.
**
WTF!
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_W/threadview?m=te&bn=86316&tid=688010&mid=688010&tof=1&frt=4#688010
I wonder if EC really is in agreement to allow them to keep shares locked, or since KCCLLC is Rosenfraud's byatch, they are doing whatever he says to say if not true. We need to verify this with the EC!!!
People have been on quite a wild goose chase from their brokers who pass the buck to DTCC, who then say they NEVER EVER even got the shares from the broker and that it is being locked down through KCCLLC.
This should be a new DD topic. Why is is sooooooooo dam important to lock down shares?? NS?
I think this topic is the chink in the armour to killing these guys once and for all - and probably tied directly to the wHedgie insider trading from the beginning.
Well stated Chiron. Thanks. Been a murky issue to wade through.
DIMER, Then fight like he11 and find some positive ways to get your money back instead of always parroting the same rant.
Maybe BK odds are typically tough, but buck up camper, let's do something about it. Use your skills, you obviously have them to have acquired so much wealth prior to seizure. If your gonna roll over, than keep quiet and get out of the way.
It's like bitc$%ing about politics, but not registering and excercising your right to vote. Start digging up DD, start writing media again and again, etc. Most people here are fighting for you and know what the dangers and percentages are in BK's.
You got thrown a wicked pitch in life, more than I, so let's get busy and crack this thing out of the park.
de Jesus! I'm on post 666, had to say go WAMU rock n roll......tad superstitous.