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No quarter is asked...
And none shall be given.
So, when you gonna quit with the threats already and get down to bidnez?
BTW, I brought my nutcracker.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
If I held as much of this as you claim you do (not questioning you though) I would have been very nauseous some time ago.
Very Interested to hear what else vegas comes up with. His reputation sits in much higher regard with me than Wolf ever did.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
My apologies, your post #263 referred to removal of several PA posts. I presumed all removed fit in that category.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Confirmed, none of my posts were removed. MMMARY's PA upon me was removed before I had a chance to read it. Just as well.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
OOOOHHHH violence!!!!
Take thine nightstick and remove it from my presence. It's odor is offensive.
I have not yet begun to demonstrate my contempt, I will pay no homage to a mere pretender to the throne.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
MMMAry.
While you are correct that you are not responsible for proving the alleged slanderous statement incorrect, you are mistaken as to Sara's responsibility for the PR. IN order to win a slander suit against her you would need to prove that she had prior knowledge that the PR was false and/or had the reasonable belief that the PR was untrue at the time she republished it.
It appears to me that there is some question as to the veracity of the statements that refute the PR in question. As such you could be slandering Sara by many of your posts lately.
Of course as with any suit, the real question is not of right or wrong...but what can you get if you win. Considering that it is very likely that niether you nor Sara have sufficient net worth to make winning a suit worthwhile, what is the point of your continual browbeating of what she posts?
There are only a few potential outcomes and none of them have a high percentage chance of success. Mostly it appears that all you can accomplish is to continue to fling mud at Sara and in response she will fling mud back at you.
This is very unproductive and not the kind of posting style that IHUB wants to encourage.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
MMMARY,
tony's been sued before
He hasn't lost these cases. He's in a few suits right now. Check it out. Do a little real research, simple sara. You are slandering him by posting the above statement.
Very contradictory post MMMARY. First you confirm Sara's statement, then you accuse her of slander for making the same statement.
If Tony has been sued before then Sara is stating a fact and one can quote facts all day long without slandering anyone. Regardless of the positive or negative nature of the facts, everyone still has the right to proclaim them. You seem to have little trouble proclaiming your own opinion, but also there appears to be a blind spot when it comes to those that opine contrary to your beliefs...regardless of the facts.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
My apologies to OB, K-bob and the rest of the board. Today my stepson graduated from high school. I was celebrating instead of defending us from Raging RBer's. Please forgive.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
You may have your crown, trivial as it is.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
I agree that the information is important, especially in the event of something untoward going on. I don't feel that the way it was done, in this particular case, was appropriate. In general, it probably isn't a good idea to post anyone's home address on the net. But, I see nothing wrong with sharing HOW one can obtain information that is in the public record. It still leaves one open to abuse, but it is not as simple as reading it on an open chat board.
My advice to CEO's that might fear a lynching...
Don't steal the shareholders money and move to the Bahamas!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Bob,
Not questioning the veracity, just the necessity.
After all it isn't necessary to kick the horse after you've shot it.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Kewl!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
>>Ah, you flippin' RB people. Geesh. <g>
Now I'm insulted! 8>)
It was just a thought, don't sweat it!
Of course, the more stuff I get the better I like it here...and the greater the chance I stop by with a dozen KK next time I'm in Tallahassee!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Bob,
#1 - please don't post in all caps...shouting gives me a headache.
#2 - please refrain from mentioning by name those from the "old" board that do not post here. While it isn't a rule, it is bad manners.
#3 - Although I don't disagree with your assessment of the current situation, does your post provide any useful information? Something we haven't discussed already? I understand you need to vent, but this is not the best place for that.
I just don't want to see this desend into the anarchy that is the "old" board. Maintain a high standard and the types that would posts someone's address will know they aren't welcome here.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Best of luck to ya!
See why it's a good Idea to start with a high number when suing these scoundrels?
Also, I had a thought..(NOT AGAIN!!!!)
Would it be possible to indicate on the personal profile page the number of posts a person has made? how about what boards the person is Chair of? Director of?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
wxwatcher,
Have you ever heard that it is better to remain silent than to say sometning mean, nasty, negative, bad, hateful etc. ?
We all want to know the status of production. We can only wait until the Company chooses to reveal that information...or we could post nonsense, but that would make this board too much like RB!
And No, it doesn't make sense to remain quiet if production is still running or has been resumed. Only reason to remain silent would be that they have no "good" news to tell us.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Count,
It can get very expensive suing everyone.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Vegas,
If the OS slows... Well a whole bunch of things have to happen to slow the OS growth. It won't stop anytime soon. If one is considering speculating in this stock, one should keep a very close watch on the OS.
IF...would you be a buyer at current price? When I was young my mama often reminded me that IF a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt on the ground either! To answer your question though, NO I wouldn't be a buyer at this price. If all of those mentioned in the PR come true it likely won't be at this price anymore, if it is then the OS will have increased significantly!
For your last question what would it take?
Well, since I see nothing in place that will likely slow the dilution for the foreseeable future, this is a difficult question to answer. I do believe it is possible to make some money here by trading in this stock one need only to figure out where support and resistance are to locate your entry and exit points. I would only buy for trading purposes, not as a part of my portfolio.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Then your post as well as my response and the subsequent responses should be deleted from this board as off topic. If you wish to continue this it should take place in the parking lot.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
MMMARY,
Any thoughts, anyone?
Yep, let she who is without sin cast the first stone.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=133119
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=131870
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=131264
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=130228
There are more but the point is made.
And as a copyright attorney once told me "a copyright is only as strong as the holders ability to enforce it"
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
That would be in keeping with what I know about manufacturing and distribution. It is not uncommon to use at least part of date when coding a production run. Would be nice to know for sure that production took place in May...and June...and will continue...hmmm?
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank, Not on the label...on the PET bottle itself. Black ink, combination of letters and numbers or may just be numbers. Look on the bottom of the bottle or near the neck. They will be very small.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Muel,
Now you know why I only took a taste this morning instead of throwing a wad at it. If it flew, I'd be ok. If it didn't I'd not have locked up too much cash.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
I have had a thought, I know they are rare but I do have them from time to time.
We have here and on the "old" board several folks from several different regions buying the product from several different sources for an extended period of time (boy, does that sound positive!). We also are speculating on the continued availablity of product due the the filing saying that production has been halted. As vegas has pointed out, the production codes are on every bottle sold. If the various individuals able to obtain product would report the codes on their bottles and the source and the time frame when they made their purchases it might reveal if all shipments are from an old bottling run or if some are from a more recent one. Just a thought, and a chance for everyone to help do a little DD!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Long,
does anyone have a comment on the reduced quantity of outstanding preferred shares? Gave insiders a little cash to reinvest last quarter?
Perhaps the shareholder converted to common and sold into the market to raise cash for operations? Or sold somewhere else?
Good work on the 10Q changes! The more eyes on the filings the harder it will be to hide things.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
OB,
produced and warehoused enough product to carry on while they are resolving what ever differences that exist
Yes, but don't forget that a "problem with qualty assurance" was mentioned in the filing. How much of the production run had to be scrapped? Could that be where the $300,000+ figure comes from?
You know if Tom could just tell everyone the specifics of what went wrong with production it would help. And it goes without saying that the minute production resumes(d) he must(should have) put out a PR to calm investors.
Sure wish you hadn't missed that plane to Ketchum!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank,
Are we to ASSUME that production has been reinstated? Although it makes no mention of a return to production that was stated as halted. It appears that we are supposed to ASSUME the it was by inferrence that without production AVBC would be unable to meet this large demand.
Personally though I have a problem with ASSUMING anything...
You know the old saying about what happens when you ASSUME...
It makes an *** out of U and ME!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
News release:
Ambra Resources Group Inc. And Venture Energy Inc. Announce The Purchase Of A Working Interest In A Ten Well Drilling Program In Wharton County, Texas
BusinessWire, Monday, June 25, 2001 at 09:35
VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 25, 2001-- Ambra Resources Group Inc. (OTCBB:ABRG) and Venture Energy Inc. have each purchased a working interest in a Ten Well Drilling Program in Wharton County, Texas.
The major partner and operator is Consolidated Petroleum Partners 1, LLC of Austin, Texas. The first Well of the Ten Well Drilling Program is currently being drilled and the second and third Wells will start drilling immediately. The Company has done a thorough analysis of this proposal and has had it cleared through Legal Counsel in Austin.
Each Company has purchased a 1% working interest as a starting point and will consider larger percentage participation in future programs with Consolidated Petroleum Partners 1, LLC. Results of the drilling program will be released when received from the Operator.
Ambra Resources Group Inc. is fully funded, has no major debt and is looking for future growth opportunities.
By the Board of Directors, Ambra Resources Group Inc.
CONTACT: Ambra Resources Group Inc.
John Hickey, 800/698-3377 or 604/669-2723
www.ambraresources.com
KEYWORD: TEXAS INTERNATIONAL CANADA
INDUSTRY KEYWORD: ENERGY OIL/GAS MERGERS/ACQ
Today's News On The Net - Business Wire's full file on the Internet
with Hyperlinks to your home page.
URL: http://www.businesswire.com
Copyright 2001, Business Wire
Companies or Securities discussed in this article:
Symbol Name
BB:ABRG Ambra Resources Group Inc (BB)
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
DM,
While we can easily pull up the trades from that period and make a reasonable estimate of the number of shares sold, we cannot directly attribute any sales to any one entity.
I use the term entity because if we can believe Kbob (I see no reason not to), TG has been converting and privately placing his preferred to raise cash and avoid filing 144's. The entity(ies) he has done this with are then either holding or selling their shares. Amazingly much of what bob revealed fits with what Gary and I suspect has been happening all along.
Come with me while I tell you a tale...
In June of 2000, a CEO was in need of cash for his business. He was taking heat from shareholders due to all of the 144's he was filing. After all he had the filings on automatic, he was selling all the time. So he contacted some friends in the business of selling stock and presented a plan. I'll sell you stock at .06 it currently trades at more than that and you can selling it to your customers at the going rate. This(these) Financial Advisor(s) Jumped at the chance. The CEO had a requirement or two though, they had to take 15 million shares or so. And they weren't supposed to just dump the stock, "put in the hands of those who can hold it", he said. Alas the first that he trusted immediately began to sell shares short knowing they could cover all the way down to six cents. The CEO was angry, promises had been broken...they are ruining my company! He tried to reneg on the deal but they had him in a fix, eventually a deal was struck but the damage had been done.
With no choice but to continue he sought other more reputable FA(s) and changed his sales pitch to make them want to hold on. "There are big players waiting to jump in", he said. that should make them hold the stock. Alas, some did but some did not. They sold as quickly as possible to garner their profit, for they don't make money by sitting on inventory. Still needing cash and not wanting to sell openly, the intrepid CEO devised still another means of placing stock, Knowing that the shareholders worring abont convertible debentures, he could not go that route. But he had an Idea! The preferred shares can work like the CD's and he can use those to raise cash...so he did. Alas and Alack, all his efforts seem for naught, he is still strapped for cash...sales are insignificant...and production is currently halted. What ever shall he do now?
The above is pure fiction. Any resemblance to actual events is purely coincidental. No individual or company should be inferred by it's inclusion here.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank,
Forgive me, but I must tweak you on this one...
I know you remember the "SHOWTIME" PR's. As I recall they clearly indicated the inititation of a party-like atmosphere.
And some folks on the boards thought that the Walmart and/or Target PR's also signaled the beginning of a party.
And a very long time ago weren't you commmenting about Pom Pon(sic) Girls and such? Sounds like a party atmosphere to me.
As for this being the end of the party...maybe, maybe not.
I do recall a couple of MNF games that surprised Don Meredith after he had finished crooning.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
I can only call it like I see it. If it had been negative I would have let you know that too!
All investing has risk. It always boils down to acceptable risk versus the potential reward. For the potential reward this has an acceptable risk IMHO.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
P.S. thanks for the helpful DD site at least I didn't have to go scrounging al over the net looking for what I needed. Good job to the builder, Sergio.
Don't forget these!
"I've got a very bad feeling about this." - Han Solo
Bad is never good until worse happens
Hane's Law: There is no limit to how bad things can get.
I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent.
It's as bad as you think and they are out to get you...
Nothing is ever so bad that it can't get worse.
The Feces has contacted the rotating oscillator...to bad you're downwind.
Bad things go away faster if you whine about them.
G'night all!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Hello everyone!
I see muel went ahead and posted my comments on structure over here for me...thanks!
I have a question for those that are over here and still posting at RB...
WHY?
200 posts of absolutely nothing! What a waste of bandwidth. One of these days I will learn to stay away from there too! I hope that this board will welcome my brand of DD as I do tend to follow what I invest in. Even if it is just a taste. I expect to learn much from you guys.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank, as you pointed out correctly day before yesterday, several investors have said "That's it! or We're doomed" after reading the latest 10Q. I can recall many such comments shortly following the RS, and who can forget Wolf's famous white stuff caper. I referred to those times that "investors" have "written off" AVBC. I actually take this as a positive sign, that whenever the "investors" think it's over Tom brings this company back like a phoenix out of the ashes of their despair. Perhaps we will see such a resurrection this time as well.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
No_money1,
I too am often amazed at how this keeps on going after all it's been through. I agree that Tom has been brilliant in the legal machinations necessary to stay in the game. However as some of my detractors have accurately pointed out it cannot go on forever. There are only so many grocery chains capable of nationwide or seminationwide distribution. But this company has been written off as dead several times. I cannot recall a company RSing a stock and scoring a twenty bagger in the following 18 months...but this one did. However, although Tom does control the company with an Iron fist at some point he will have to deliver or quit...that time could be a long time off though.
What it all boils down to is this...
One side of the coin says Tom is running a scam for the benefit of Tom and that he will never, ever make it anytrhing more than what it is.
Another side says that this is Tom's Dream: to have his product in every grocer in the country and that he will do whatever it takes to get there.
And then there is my position...Either way I don't see anything good for being a shareholder right now.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
P.S. Caught your correction...only hope that Gary found it as flattering as I did!
P.P.S. I have never noticed an aftertaste either, aside from Suntea and Java, I enjoy all of the flavors with a preference for the same ones Oldblue likes (now there's a scary thought!).
Well, we are speculating on this after all...
I thought that Delifruits was the Overseas bottler...
And I'm just reading the 10Q, looking for an answer...
As always time will tell.
Have a good weekend. I'm contemplating the events of the past few days, I'll let everyone know what I come up with when I come up with something.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank & Vince...
My thoughts on Orders...kind of get tied up with my thoughts on production.
For the previous two quarters AVBC had sales of roughly $550-600,000 each. These were reportedly due to the agreement with Lyons Magnus. Who, as I understand it are supposed to be bottling for AVBC. Not the sole bottler, but the primary bottler for US production and distribution. I have presumed that the bottler that halted production is LM...but something in the filing is giving me pause.
In the subsequent events section it begins by stating that in MARCH an agreement was made to begin production. Now if that is the LM agreement...where did the sales for the two previous quarters come from? Didn't an agreement already exist prior to MARCH?
If it isn't an LM agreement who is it with and why isn't it an LM agreement?
I admit I was expecting a number greater than $600K sales for this quarter, but not much greater. I'm not sure of much of anything concerning revenue potential or previous revenue sources as regards the water business for AVBC. I am presuming that the product is well received in the locations it has been in (anecdotal evidence suggests this) and that those locations are reordering. I can only hope that the production issue will be resolved before any reorders fail to be filled. The possibility of an additional bottler is encouraging and could be the answer to the US production question.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
DM,
about throwing good money at bad money.....it might be wise to read it before you make that purchase at .03. I will not even think about it until tg is out of the picture 100%.
Good point, I was referring to averaging down, where it is often better to take your loss that try and recover by spending more money.
At .03 and under though a number of risk factors diminish. At that low a price selling stock to fund the company isn't really feasible, it just takes too many shares to make any money. Likewise for short sellers and/or CD holders. Usually they want to start covering at that point as opposed to continuing to sell at high levels. Not enough profit for the effort required.
Like it or not AVBC is structured so that it can't be taken from TG unless he wants to give it up. If you want to play this game you have to play by his rules. By their own admission several long term players have made money with AVBC. Buying when the blood is running in the streets and selling when things look better. At .03 and below, TG or no TG this would be a small buy. I wouldn't throw big money at it, but a taste before has been very profitable. Somehow TG always seems to raise this from the grave. maybe he will again. shortly after the RS the stock bottomed near .12 and just a few months later was pushing a dollar.
We might go for quite some time before we know anything about production, in that time we could still see lower prices for the stock. But if Production kicks back in we could easily see a run back into the mid teens or maybe better.
I'll buy at .03 or below and sell at .15 regardless of who the CEO is.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank,
No apology is necessary. We are all trying to learn here. I really do appreciate you and what you have to say. It requires me to be on my toes, because you would never let me get away with any BS. And that is as it should be.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Frank,
Sometimes you show that you are a lot smarter than some people give you credit for. I too would be a buyer at .03. There is not much point to selling short at that level and even the shorts would cover at that point. Bound to lead to a rise. IF production can be brought back online quickly.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com