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Bullrider...................................Fortunately!
There is a preponderance of proof out there and I have taken the trouble to read, study and research one hell of a lot of it. Since it seems as though you haven't, I am certainly not going to go back and drag out all of these "proofs" for your lazy, unenlightened, under-educated butt.
This "prove it" retort is wearing thin. In any good debate it is unacceptable. It is assumed that both contestants are well versed in the subject matter rather than carrying a red wagon full of "proofs"
From various previous posts, it is apparent you are not very well versed in most subjects you broach, however you may pick one you feel well versed in and I will attempt to debate you on a point. Choose either side of the argument if you like.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo...what is the topic?
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The Original dpb5
Whatever happens to you (or your bread) is a direct result of what you said, did, thought or felt before the incident.
You manifest your own destiny. Through inattention, improper presentation, faulty invocation, unpreparedness or an inability to recognize opportunity...you and you alone are responsible for the burnt toast.
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smart_sassy................................I am an atheist
The genuine article. I have studied religions to a great extent in my life and adhere to a life of mainfest destiny, personal responsibility, right action.
The Zen way is used often in my life. Such as, when traveling? Should a bus stop beside me while I am ambling along...that is good...if the door opens...that is opportunity. I always get on. It is not to have a destination but to travel.
I am perfectly capable of manifesting practically anything I want through "correct action" "dissemination of desire" and "initial effort". I will wait patiently for many years for the correct color FREE gabardine shirt size 17 neck...or $2.00 at Goodwill...I am very practiced at it although I haven't been able to manifest a ham and cheese/w mustard on pumpernickel yet.
I believe that luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
Being a manifest destinist I realize that if you call some guy a stupid idiot at a cocktail party and get punched in the nose, you brought it upon yourself. I am not "liberally" inclined to call the police and have him arrested...and they will arrest him, not me!!! Yet, I am responsible and at fault. I understand the term word "invocation" very well. I can make most anyone do whatever I want by what and how I say to them...that is in person.
The internet is unique...you can say anything you want. There is little in the way of fetters. I grant you, some people may not talk to you again. I find that I can provoke people to come out with some pretty interesting stuff. I had one guy so incensed that he hired a lawyer to pursue a libel suit. The lawyer sent a letter and I replied by telephone. He and I talked for a half-hour and laughed a lot. The "client" paid for the phone call also. Don't bother wasting your time (or money) on lawyers and libel suits.
People say things they would never reveal to anyone else. They also dump a lot of interesting stuff on my shoulders. I find that what you post eventually defines and describes you closely and accurately.
Don't you?
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Hey, look what I found! Did someone lose an argument?
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Chrisau...........................the transparency of the TOS argument/suggestions/people etc. involved, lends itself to humor.
The thread extends throughout the board.
Hey, put some more hot water in that coffeee or it will never go round.
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Thanks Phil...the fallout migrated to the Hangout...there they are launching a pre-declared vendetta.
I was so injudicious as to tease BOP in a couple of PM's for losing the argument at Q&A.
Maybe he lost his girlfriend also??? (Lucky guy)
lol...lol...lol...lol
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By the way...........................about Bird of Prey
Bird of Prey is upset because he and his girlfriend lost the TOS and change of policy argument over on the Q&A board and I teased him about it in a PM.
Fact is Bird of Prey came unprepared to the argument. He is only here in an attempt to ridicule anything I say.
Ulterior motive can lead someone like him far astray.
Tweet Tweet Tweeeeeet! Here Birdy Birdy Birdy.
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Chrisau...I'll trade a Hot donut for a TOS post...eom
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NW...knowledge is NOT based on belief or faith as you so state...and all the repetition by you is not going to change that.
Your insistence is exactly what the "God is real folks" do. They insist on a preposterous belief.
It is not preposterous to "know" or "believe" that there is a Spain. There has been just too much evidence presented to you in your lifetime to imagine anything else. Spain is there.
And by the same token, there has been nothing repeatedly offered to you as evidence throughout your life as to the existence of God. God is not there.
Pay Attention!
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smart&sassy
I am not aligned with any political belief/organization. Where does that leave me?
He said openly.
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NorthWesterner
You want to doubt all of these things because if you embrace them then your belief in God becomes hollow. No one is going to laugh at you, they are going to say; "Welcome aboard"
God IS dead! The christian/religious cults of the world are in a desperate race with progress, adapting their dogma and beliefs as fast as their old beliefs become the subject of universal laughter.
Get out of the whirlpool...or be an Anna Mae. (Children's mythical character that eventually gets sucked down the drain of a bathtub)
And don't forget to wash every crevice of your brain son, remember, today you are going to meet...
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NorthWesterner...without ANY doubt!...I know!...eom
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NW...that makes sense to you?...good luck with it.
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Suggestion regarding Girl, Boy and Cub scouts...........lurking in the supermarket entrances.
Give them $5 and tell them; "Here, I don't want any damn cookies" or "Here, I don't eat that shit"
You want to be supportive of these organizations without getting tied up in their goofy offerings.
I think they should sell tomatoes or bananas myself, although I don't know what paule's wife would do with 3 cases of tomatoes and a stem of bananas.
Hey, if I can't ring the bell and laugh maniacly while ho ho ho-ing to the shoppers at the top of my voice, Santa gets NOTHING!
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Paule?...saltonthehair of thetailofthedog that bit you?
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joemoney...get a grip on the term "in context"...eom
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paule...VERY nice post and essentially correct.
They are trying an argument that was buried in hilarity and labeled "moronic" many years ago. I find it highly amusing and insult them just to watch their inane argument break down into semantic accusations, petty side trips such as ants, and generally sliding around out of control trying to pin me in some silly contest akin to wrestling with pigs (and you know where that gets you) lol...lol...
Actually one of the participants posted that it was a personal vendetta more than an argument. Of course, this puts him at a disadvantage and I make him come unglued quite easily. What fun!
The theory of the Absolute; the grounds for a unique, alive substance and definable purpose to the entire universe, (and this as a concept of God), is quite feasible.
I as you well know, realize that EVERYTHING is alive in that every single atom is joined by the same force. Nothing in the universe is dead or static. Everything moves at a rapid pace and in incredible unity on a sub-atomic level. Organic and in-organic or no longer terms of definition. They should fall from the general language in years to come.
There is nothing in the universe that does not know instantly when I wake up in the morning. The communication channels are instantaneous. You shift an atome here and it shifts every atom of the universe at the same time.
This is a "godlike" structure to us mere beings and in time we will understand all of it. In the meantime you can feel free to see it as God and even worship it if you like...but don't break out your silly Bible and tell me it is all "in this hearya book boy."
The whole story of Christ is quite similiar to Hollywood writers and their productions. It has been made up as time goes along. The constantly changing script of Jesus is for the ignorant and weak-minded.
I know, I know, some people claim to have a personal revelation concerning or brought on by their prayers, doubts whatever regarding Jesus. Me too, only I called it LSD.
I carry a plastic LSD on my dashboard from that time on.
Wait a minute, the neighbor's dog has a message for me...be right back.
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paule...and hot donuts in the AM, don't forget, HOT donuts.
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joemoney
Any old stupid opinion in a pinch...what's yours?
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judd
You joined on 20 March 2001. As I remember your password was (censored), if that doesn't work try (censored). I know, because I set up the account for you.
This grandfathers you. And if you keep up that funny business with Jaynie that is going to grandfather you to.
By the way, I sent in the $50.00 anyway since the posters are really doing a neat trip here I don't care what they think of Matt.
BobZunbrunnen and you should get along fine, he has one of those goofy John Deere hats just like yours.
Where was I? Oh yeah, welcome.
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Heyyyy judd,
I was gonna write you but I don't know how to spell out a bronx cheer. Is it Braaaatttaatataa? or is it Fahhhwaaapppp?
Say hi to Jaynie...tell her those pictures of you got rid of my ants. "Helpful Hints" #365 by ola...don't worry, I'll bill you.
$120 for a sign that says "DUMP TRASH HERE" ?????
Can you buy me a drink?
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NorthWesterner...a JW?...hahaha no wonder...moron...we DEFINITELY do not argue with morons. They just drag you down to their own level and beat you to death with experience.
Hahahahahhahahahahahhahaahahhaa Jehovah Witness? Lol...LMAO...ROTFLMAO Hahahahahahahhahahaa
Sorry, I don't wrestle with pigs. hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaaaaa. Sheesh lol...lol...lol...
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NW
My Bird of Prey post applies to you also, in every respect, but one.
You didn't start out declaring "I'm gonna get you" or however Bird of Prey termed it.
Like I said, your comprehension skills are either severely retarded or you choose to argue inanities just for the hell of it. I am not interested.
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Bird of Prey
It sounds good...especially the part where I say I "know" all about psychology.
I know without any doubt, that France lies alongside Spain. I don't have to see for myself. I rely on the veracity of experts in the field. They have recorded and reported their findings in the field and those that came after them have repeated the work and confirmed their conclusions. This applies to all the sciences whether your psychology, ant husbandry or Geography.
This is perfectly obvious.
Secure in this knowledge, waiting for my investigations should I find them necessary, I can say I "know" all about the field...whatever it is.
There are no "experts" to verify the existence of God through experimentation and expedition. There is no GOD. You may wish to believe there is one and fervently argue of his existence but to the scientific community...you are a bunch of goofballs.
Your Christian "scientists" and graduates of your Christian Colleges are a bunch of goofballs trying to ride the coattails of legitimate science.
People laugh behind their hands at you.
There are no "accidents" in the evolutionary process. You either evolve according to the conditions imposed by nature, or you die.
In the face of a superior argument you attempt to read into my words what any sensible person doesn't see. This isn't about God or no God...this is something personal as you so declared, and you will take any leverage you sense might exist whether fair, in the spirit of discussion, honest or not, to advance what you see as a vendetta.
You are a patently absurd person and I will always have you on the defensive.
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NorthWesterner..................................acknowledge or move out.
"I know everything there is to know about ant psychology...if you have any questions I will find the
correct answers in the research and experiments of the known experts in the field."
This is the third try. I can't make it any simpler...if you can't understand this then you are correct...we have nothing further to discuss.
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NorthWesterner
Short attention span? Once again:
know PRECISELY what stage of intellectual development ants have reached.
In ANY field I am not well-versed in, I rely on the veracity of others who have recorded and reported their findings in the laboratory and field. Most importantly I believe those who have come afterwards and repeated these experiments in confirmation.
You either believe these people and support their conclusions or like Jehovah Witnesses you suffer severe paranoia regarding any reported findings in every field.
How can you have the arrogance to doubt these people in support of a clearly specious argument regarding God?
Just because their findings disagree with your untrained assumptions about ant intelligence (or whatever) is simply a demonstration of your towering ignorance.
You sound JUST LIKE a Jehovah Witness the "towering" ignoramouses of out times.
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NorthWesterner
I know everything there is to know about ant psychology...if you have any questions I will find the correct answers in the research and experiments of the known experts in the field.
Since I have no interest in ant psychology at this moment, I will leave them to their specialty.
Do I have to spell out every little thing I say?
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Bird of Prey......................................I can see?
"I can see the effect of God through those that believe in him."
I can see that perfectly normal and a lot of abnormal interpretations of normal phenomena are your back yard. I am sure your "inner voice" (You know, the little voice in your head?) is actually your neighbor's dog telling you what God wants.
Let me check your post for some more foolishness:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Yep, lots more foolishness in that post.
You deliberately misunderstand, misconstrue, and misrepresent what I am saying because, quite frankly, you haven't the tools to make a good arguement.
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Bird of Prey...................................Once again:
Zealots and fanatics are not known for their sense of humor or abundance of character.
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NorthWesterner.......................You are both wrong!
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The Original..............................Rest Assured!
That is precisely correct!
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NW
You missed the whole point, read my post again.
We are not talking "authors of publications": we are talking the accepted, respected and very FINAL authorities in the field of________(ants if you like!)
We are not talking some goofy Christian "expert" with a degree in ant psychology from some goofy Christian University.
I know everything about ant psychology, I trust the recognized authorities in the field. I don't question them nor should you be questioning them through me.
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Bird of Prey.............Why don't you get up a petition?
YOU have a grip on the situation I see, just petition to have Matt ousted. Tell us more!...lol...lol...lol...LMAO
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Bird of Prey
What we are against is the slow chipping away at the site akin to the rights of Americans slowly having been "chipped away"
No rules are fine...the good judgment of the Admin is sufficient. If he has to make rules and then adhere to them, he is wide open to manipulation.
Why get into it? He is the boss and that is that. Who are you to insist on showing him how to run things? Suggestions are fine and MIGHT be acted on, but demands are to be ignored.
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mikeygoldisback
Thats it, really piss him off!...lol...lol...lol...eom
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BobZ...........................regarding NASCAR and F-1
For technology contributions...F-1 takes the cake.
By the way, right/left hand turning NAS cars are entirely different from left turn NAS cars...IF you have the money.
"Work up" lefties don't do well at Heartland...granted.
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HEY! Bird of Prey...taking on another loser?...lol...lol
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Bird of Prey.................................I seeeeeee!
Like black holes, we haven't yet developed the tools to detect God? lol?...Hahaha...lol
"I tell ya boy, he's out there and by golly the day will come when everyone will know it, and you boy, will be dammmmmned to hell...get right with God you idiot...NOW!...He's a coming, and you gonna be left out, ya hear?"
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NorthWesterner
I know PRECISELY what stage of intellectual development ants have reached.
In this field I rely on the veracity of others who have recorded and reported their findings in the laboratory and field. Most importantly I believe those who have come afterwards and repeated these experiments in confirmation.
What you are doing NW is jumping out there into something you actually know nothing about...ant intelligence.
You either believe these people and support their conclusions or like Jehovah Witnesses you suffer severe paranoia regarding any reported findings in every field.
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NorthWesterner
H2O is generally accepted as 2 Hydrogen and One Oxygen atoms in an atomic lock called a molecule of water. It has been for quite a long time now. It has been demonstrated in 100 ways. It isn't a theory or a belief and requires no faith...it is a proven historical fact. There are no core beliefs here that are questionable. The force that holds them together is being intently studied and the how what etc. has not been determined. It is believed that eventually we will discover everything there is to know about this bond and it will be a simple, historical fact in time. We do know there are no genies, devils, gods or tooth fairies in there holding these molecules together however.
If you believe Science, Math and Literature take faith, I see it as an attempt to drag them into your argument to augment your Religion's weak position.
Religion, God and the putative god Jesus...do not in any manner approach reality nor is there any factual evidence for their existence nor has there ever been. 5000 year old Biblical accounts are great Hollywood material. Faith in something so vague and improbably old and twisted with time is an impossible stretch for clear thinking people.
It would be great to live forever (we think) but good luck Ponce de Leon.
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