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Waiting on financials, man. Getting the product out there is one thing, selling is another. If numbers are good, expect a nice boost to the pps, if not... well.
MINE
I'm not going to fight anyone here on this stuff as well, since it's all personal opinion anyway. I think they've got the bottle design down now, but I agree with the "fizz" point. If the "experts" in mgmt think it will become a hit, then more power to the name. I'm not a beverage expert either, but as a customer the name vitamin fizz doesn't stick out like a vitamin water or sparkling ice to me. I understand why they used "fizz", there's just something odd about it when used in a sentence. Like "hey can I get a v-fizz" or "can I get a fizz". The name makes sense for the product, but it will obviously lead to being labeled in a jokingly fashion by the younger crowd. We'll see how effective the product and name is soon :).
I'll be completely honest on the bottle design of Vitamin Fizz, since we're talking about appeal of products now. Vitamin Fizz's old bottle design (imo) looked like a cheap store brand knock-off. Having colored bottle caps and the new labels (should) bring a lot of eyes to the brand, but it will still be difficult to switch people from their preferred drink of choice. Does anyone know if stores are still carrying the original designed bottles because personally, if I were in a store looking for a nice refreshing drink I probably would skip over the product, and pick up a sparkling water or vitamin water based on label alone. Sounds stupid to have that mindset, but a lot of hard work goes into brand appeal in beverage creation. Of course, ultimately taste beats it all, but brand recognition has a lot to do with the psyche of individuals choice preferences in beverages (imo). If you were in a store and had no idea what vitamin fizz was, would you just pick it up if it were using the old designed bottles?
Looks like the 10-Q will be more important than originally thought. What will happen if numbers aren't good? Also, how much up-side are we seeing here dependent on financials? Expecting a 15 tick move either way personally. Don't see this hitting .01 ever again, unless Vanis can truly pull off some amazing PR's.
This next 10-Q is supposedly going to give us some guidance on the plan set fourth. Hopefully the financials fall in line to deliver some positive momentum with it.
As someone sitting on the side-line with a neutral outlook on the company until the 10-Q, I wouldn't be a buyer with those numbers. If Vitamin Fizz doesn't break-out in its core region, then what does that say about the product? Does it mean mgmt should burn more money advertising? Does Vanis cut Vitamin Fizz and focus on Avanzar? This is a whole lot of speculation, and no one wants to see Vitamin Fizz fail, so let's wait and see how well the product is doing on the next 10-Q. I wouldn't buy into a distribution company on its own. Vitamin Fizz is the product that needs to succeed because if it doesn't, then mgmt will have to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they'll be doing with THC or other products still in development. More time = more investor money. Avanzar in itself is not what I initially bought into.
Just my opinion.
MINE
It's what I'd like to see. "At minimum" 100% was probably a little too stringent (can't edit now). Realistically, I think a 65% increase based on the locations added since the previous Q. I won't be doing any crazy calculations, until after we get the 10-Q. The v-fizz brand equity deal, along with Avanzar have my focus. Not sure what to make of everything else, since we've seen PR's focused on formulations, rather than products being introduced into the market. I just hope for everyone's sake there isn't another increase to the SS. Would be nice to see blow-out earnings with a aggressive share buy-back announcement, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.
It's a toxic cycle that the stock is in right now, which is why many don't "invest" in the OTC. Whether the company does well or not, I know there's nothing the average retail investor/trader can do about shorts or "manipulation". A lot of the issues comes back to the share structure being increased over the last year, and makes future runs more difficult based on the type of company this is. That's all my opinion though. You need specific news or an event to change sentiment of this stock. The 10-Q could do that if it's good enough, but does it really sit well with investors that there's a selling off or pushing down of the stock on a weekly basis, and that the stock has had trouble holding gains?
What are you hoping for to turn this situation around? seriously. I know some have "said" they've averaged down from > .02 all the way to where we are now. What do you think will make this stock go up?
You fail to realize how these runs happened in the first place. The news that accompanies them makes them happen, and each run has reached a lower pps than the last due to the bloated share structure. Do I think a run to .01 can happen again? yeah, but certain news pushed this up to .01. Specific news that people care about like "wiping debt" "clearing toxic notes" "celeb endorser/ advertising" etc. This all happened in a pretty short time-frame as well on the last run. I'm not saying the CEO should pump fluff PR's every week, but runs like the previous one don't just happen without a reason (not likely at least).
The market is still trying to determine a fair market value, and no it's not based on your valuation calculation. Next 10-Q will truly determine whether all of the moves Vanis has made is paying off because they'll be factored into the numbers. Of course, we can say this next Q isn't as important as the one after it, but as long as there's controlled debt, great increase in revenues, and properly managed expenses, then we should see a nice rise in MINE.
I wasn't a fan of the last Q, but maybe this one will change sentiment. Of course, you guys really need to understand the significance of the share structure increase to the pps from last year. If the float, A/S was a billion less, we'd probably see .01 potentially hold long enough for the OTCQB status, and maybe even positive moves to the upside with news. A buy-back would really do this stock good imo, and soon if mgmt is capable of doing so at this time. Even incremental buys go a long way imo.
Many traders have been catching a falling knife since .01 fell. .0033-.0029 (potentially) are all areas I'm watching for the short term on the chart, but volume has terrible for a while now. This scares me the most. People are genuinely uninterested with this ticker. 10-Q should be able to turn this around if it's good enough. Here's hoping for good numbers.
Yep, that's why many brokers don't offer the option because it leads to specific order requirements that don't go so well in a fast moving market. Usually, smart traders split up their large sell orders, so AON on the bid isn't a very successful strategy. Unfortunately the alternative leads to a lot of partial fills or awkward fills on tickers like MINE because OTC trades less liquid than big boards (usually).
There has been plenty available to sell for months now. Remember, all the "longs" who loaded 2 years ago? Shorts are definitely not the only ones selling down here. The short #'s don't even come close. Seems to be a lot of impatience from both flippers/longs. I've been sitting the side-line since the THC PR.
AON orders can be skipped if the order was set too late or there are a mix of sellers less than your order. That's what I know, and I tend to not use it often in the OTC.
Wow .0034 hit. That's surprising. Love reading the excuses. A lot of hope riding on the next 10-Q, while the news has created sell-offs. Never a good situation. Just amazed at the blaming of manipulation. It's not cheap shorting tickers in the OTC, trust me on that. Hope to see this turn around soon. Sad to see shareholders in this spot :/ .
Good luck to anyone in. URBT news brought some interest. Will keep it on watch.
Everyone is able to make financial decisions on their own. There is no reason to listen to others on whether a stock is a buy/sell/hold. The 10-Q will reveal everything people want to know, like was mentioned earlier. All posting on these message boards is just useless chatter anyway. I've just been through it all, both the good and bad. I only hope I'm wrong in my assumptions/ prediction on what financials will look like next Q. Hope it's great :) , so I can get back in because the drink is actually good, but like any other trader/investor I have my concerns.
Good luck.
Evil market makers took my shares a while ago. I got shook out. Too bad they didn't fall in "strong hands" because apparently they keep showing up on sale every day.
What I have a hard time understanding is how a drink with 100% vitamins can't make it in an over-saturated market. I mean the name Vitamin Fizz and colored bottle caps should be reason enough for someone to pick up a beverage that tastes better than a coca cola, sparkling ice, or even vitamin water. I can't believe it. Just crazy. The stock should be trading at .05 by Future's amazingly accurate calculations. Doesn't make sense :S .
Also, I'm horrible at reading charts. Is MINE still in an up-trend, and how many shareholders still exist on that accurate spreadsheet? Thanks all. Long and strong.
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That's the thing, some people make irrational decisions and get fed up. The 10k ETRF bid at .0038 might be lacking, but the PUMA 10k was hiding a lot more behind it. Remember it could have been a .0036 limit AON, hoping the .0037's-.0038's would fill, but didn't happen. Simply said, there's a lot of frustrated individuals in this stock thinking that all the positive news would lead to an increase in the PPS. Some don't cut losses fast enough, and wait till a breaking point. Everyone trades differently, remember :)
Good luck to you, and your investment. Will be waiting for lower, while I trade other tickers.
It makes perfect sense. PUMA is at .0036 with 10k hidden block at the bid. An AON is a perfect explanation for why orders above didn't get filled above and skipped entirely.
DEFINITION of 'All Or None - AON'
A condition used on a buy or sell order to instruct the broker to fill the order completely or not at all. If there is insufficient supply to meet the quantity requested by the order then it is canceled at the close of the market.
'All Or None - AON'
For example, if you send an AON order to your broker requesting 200 shares at $15, the broker will not fill the order unless he or she can obtain the 200 shares at $15. This prevents investors from having orders half filled before they expire. This is contrary to a common limit order, which is commonly partially filled. For example, if 150 shares trade at $15 and then rise to $17, the 150 shares will be purchased by the investor with the limit order and the remainder will be bought when the shares fall back to $15. If the trader had an AON order then he or she will not receive any shares and will have to resubmit the order the next day to buy the 200 shares at $15.
I can't help individuals understand the market. If you don't know the rules of trading, shorting, etc, then that's your problem. No professional opinion here. The ask looks "thin", so if there was a heavy volume push then maybe this wouldn't be trading this low. If people stopped buying on the bid so often, then maybe you'd see an actual push to positive territory, but that's none of my business.
Lol "manipulated". Again, with these conspiracy theories. Brokers try to give retail the best PPS they possibly can. Could have been an old-school call in for a long to sell their position.
The only way that individual would have gotten their AON order filled was to sell through all of the bid to the next 2 million bid. Isn't this obvious? That's why those orders are still on the bid.
Wow, someone is really "holding this down". Unbelievable.
Lol, "holding it down". Love it. Keep telling yourselves this. Maybe if a few "whales" showed up then you wouldn't have to worry about them "holding it down". Wonder what the pps will be before the 10-Q.
I hope everyone else is loving this action as much as I am. Been holding a core and trading a core every leg up. 1.00 bound imo :)
Last and final post of the day (been a bit talkative on the board today). Bad Hemp, it's simple man. SoCal is their prime spot that MINE hopes to build off of. This shows one of two things. A. Sales haven't been good in other locations and management is playing safe with expansion OR B. they think So Cal is going to produce some amazing revenues that won't be seen in other potential locations, so national expansion will take even longer than anticipated imo, until they generate enough to expand naturally.
Not a bad move, but will create an environment of heavy scrutinizing of financials by outsiders if So-Cal its major location doesn't produce outstanding revenues. All imo.
Being on "back-order" can mean one of two things. Either they can't meet demand online because the product is actually selling a lot of product or they aren't allocating enough to that portion of business due to retail fulfillment requirements. It means nothing without some type of confirmation PR stating exact numbers sold.
Retail can't even sell this POS because there isn't much interest on the bid. 2.3 milli retail bagholder looking to get out at .0039, who will slap the ask?
Explain the UK move in a non-biased logical manner please. How are you going to go national when Vanis makes these idiotic moves over-seas. I thought it was a copy and paste model that made sense, did Vanis paste in the wrong place? I mean if you can't even sell the product in its country of origin, what makes you think it will sell better overseas? Doesn't look well planned imo. I hope for investors sake the product sells well enough in So-Cal. This location based on the recent PRs looks to be your lifeline revenue supply, along with Avanzar imo.
thousands of percent increase doesn't mean much when that original number was practically nothing. Assets haven't shown any meaningful return "yet", so we will see how much Avanzar provides to MINE's bottom line. Going to be an interesting 10-Q, hopefully it doesn't get delayed. I'd hate to see longs wait any "longer" for a catalyst to change momentum :)
The stock says different. PPS degradation ever since last 10-Q is apparent. NY #s being kept very quiet, and focus has been on So-Cal for a reason. Growth doesn't seem very "exponential", and the UK move was a big "?" mark for what this company is looking to accomplish. Very strange moves, and bad acquisitions imo. Next 10-Q will be of huge importance for longs because I personally don't believe the product is selling enough. No one is winning right now, other than shorts.
Anyone have the 2 year chart showing this "up-trend" I've been seeing posted for over 2 months? I can't seem to find it. MINE.
The smart ones did wake up. The most active chatters have been slowly selling this down blaming manipulation. I mean any excuse right? Where did that one guy go, the one that said .004's was "bottom"? Oh, guess his technical analysis didn't work this time. Next KO, next MNST, next fizzy drink. bleh.
It needs a lot more than that imo Strike. It doesn't take a genius to see they need to back-track now and sell heavy in So-cal (as all the PRs point to it being the focal area). Vitamin Fizz from what I've heard and seen from friends isn't doing as "well" as I'd have hoped in NY. Looks like this one will be a loooong process. Hope longs have $$$ to keep management's plan in-tact. If the investment is going to .01+++ no reason not to triple quadruple down on it right?
IMO.
Yep, I have no optimism that the situation will turn around after hearing from some friends who looked into some NY spots. Did a little "DD" on how we're doing, and let's just say I'm not touching MINE because of this. Trade on your own DD though. I don't think Vitamin Fizz is a slam dunk like bagholders believe it is. Hope I'm wrong :)
All imo.
OH WOW , .0037!!!! All the talks about "LONGS BEING REWARDED" and "I GOT IN at near bottom 2 years ago!" "flippers wish they bought this low!!!" isn't looking very pretty anymore. What happened to holding and witnessing experts do great things for shareholders? Looks great so far. .0037 down over 60% from the highs this year! Wow, I'm impressed by Vanis and co. They really impressed me with their ability to bring shareholder value. Crazy.
.0091 was a great exit personally. I wouldn't be surprised this POS makes a move back up, no longer in. Amazed people still fall for this, but hey, Git r done. Good luck to all.
HJOE looking pretty solid so far. Only down 34% no biggie. Not like a gap-up post event blood-bath wasn't expected or anything ;/ .
Sorry to all the bag-holders.
TIMBER. What happened to this one? I can hardly believe it hahaha.
Oh right, I forgot I'm talking to a penny expert. I'm sure you played this one perfectly champ.
Show me proof bro, or I don't give a shit lol. No paper account either.