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As a matter of fact Videophones are said to be the next Comcast product already being tested.
Comcast currently can use videophones....OJO Worldgates phone can call IP to IP on the data path as can many others simply making it a link to the modem....
They (Comcast) just chose their phone service to travel
off internet and through long distance carriers etc because of QOS.
Rumor on other board says purchase order PR is imminent...
anyone think there is anything to this?
Mike do yourself a favor and repeat this sentence over and over and see if you get it or not.
I refuse to keep arguing with someone who continually makes the same mistake and then says he isn't doing it...
You really need to look at what you are posting before you post it...
"The only difference is that Comcast only uses the portion of the INTERNET that they control."
Mike,
Why then did you continue to argue after I posted this?
Posted by: wiredog
In reply to: Michael Allard who wrote msg# 17065 Date:8/28/2005 9:51:41 AM
Post #of 17329
Mike do yourself a favor and look up VOIP...and then the last word...PROTOCOL.....
you can use that protocol anywhere...and Comcast uses it on their own network....NOT on the internet...
LOOK I went through a 3 day course in it...trust me I know what I am talking about...and I am getting tired of humoring you here....
There is NO internet involved.....
Please move on to something that you have a better handle on.
****************************************************************
I clearly explained the difference between the word VOIP as a PROTOCOL and said it was not being used on the internet in Comcast's case...to contrast it with traditional voip services like Vonage .why then did you continue to argue....??
STICH you are simply on drugs......your below statement is so completely misrepresentative of my posts with the very inept Mike Allard that it is unbelieveanle...
I posted about 5-10 times that Comcast had its own network...HE ARGUED BACK THAT NO THAT WAS INCORRECT THAT THEY HAD VOIP...I SAID NO ITS NOT TRADITIONAL VOIP THAT RUNS ON THE INTERNET . HE THEN TRIED TO WEASEL OUT AFTER I POSTED 2 ARTICLES SHOWING COMCAST HAVING THEIR OWN NETWORK..
If he was so right then why did he argue with me about having their own network??
guess you can't answer that...
Your next assumption about my skills is hillarious...If have hands on spliced fiber and have a far superior background to you (the poser) ever will...
But your picture is real pretty for a little gay boy.
"Wiredog, please, for your sake, just stop. Describing in minutia the process of plugging things into a set top box that might channelize the various signals or IP traffic until it reaches the edge of Comcast's core network is irrelevant. Unless the call is going ONLY to another Comcast customer, and thus can stay channelized it HAS to go either to twisted pair or to the Internet. In the second case, if there is no QOS the call quality would be very poor."
"Becase your answer implies that every person called by a comcast customer recieves the call via ComCast's private network. I find this unlikely. Comcast does not provide service to everyone."
unbelieveable...you guys. This is really easy stuff...
It is their network just like verizon has their own network etc...
That doesn't mean if you call someone from Verizon that you only use their network...you use phone networks of other companes also....
IT JUST DOESN'T TRAVEL ON THE INTERNET.
lets please move on to something else....this is getting very tiresome.
"Okay...so does this mean that using Comcast VoIP a Comcast customer can place a call to ANY Customer on the via VoIP, either terminating into the POTS network or to another Comcast Customer (on their private voice network) or to a non-comcast customer but one online who is capable of receiving a VoIP call?"
they can place a call anywhere just like if they were using verizon
you are really lost.
"You denied on more than one occasion that this was on Comcasts own network..."
this was the entire basis of our argument...
I could not have possibly said this more times to you.
I kept saying "no, Comcast has its own network"
to which you would launch some counter argument....
had you just agreed you would have saved face for yourself...
and now , unbelieveable you are trying to weasel out of it...
It has subsequently become incredibly obvious that you don't have a real strong cable/broadband background....
You didn't even seem to know what an EMTA was or that channel allocation per product is done for each and every product and implying this was for QOS is hysterical...
Quite frankly you make me laugh that you keep it up.
Please do yourself , and the board , a favor and go back to something that you understand....
You can't be this dense.
To all regarding Mike Allard...
I think he is someone that is interested in technology and yet has very little experience...
Earlier, about a month ago I saw him post some stuff that he seemed to know about, and some of that may be phone releated.
HOWEVER, I would take 90% of what he posts with a huge grain of salt as I have seen him literally make a fool of himself with
very sketchy if any acurate information on subjects he has taken on.
Please do not consider this a person who "knows his stuff" without actually checking to see if any facts are true....
again he appears a conscientiuos guy, but I have seen him state stuff which is pure BS and then try and back it up...etc.
Better to filter his posts in some areas.
Mike.
At some point either you get it or you don't.
If your thrust is that you are an expert...No , you are not.
Sorry.
Normally people aren't so obstinant and stupid. When proved wrong they simply move on.
The "EMTA" is the voice "box" that Comcast is using as their means of transmitting and recieving ip voice...
Your knowledge is obviously so lacking that you didn't even know this basic fact.
Without and "EMTA" there would be no phone servcice...and yes OF COURSE there is a channel dedicated for phone use...there is also a channel dedicated for internet use and one dedicated for On demand and serveral dedicated for HDTV and even more dedicated for digital and analog cable...
don't try and learn something that you have no business talking about on the internet, let alone arguing about it.
At this point I don't care if you are 10% right, because you are 90% wrong and I am MORE THAN TIRED of correcting you..
Give it up and stick to what you know, because it sure aint this stuff.
No it simply means that it is their network and that no data will travel on it..its a voice network owned by Comcast.
Not sure why this is so dificult.
get a grip...
You denied on more than one occasion that this was on Comcasts own network...
to try and back peddle away now is almost comical...
seeing as you may or may not be right I still beat you 2-1...
Think about a network that has only phone traffic...
no where near the type of bottle necks as on the data path...
Most of the quality of service is that they DON'T use the internet....
and THAT is a quote from a post within the last hour or two on this board.
"Comcast has begun trial service runs outside of Philadelphia, in Indianapolis, and will soon add Springfield, Mass. Unlike Vonage, which routes its signals over public Internet routes, Comcast's service will be through its own network, according to company spokesman Bob Smith. This will enable the company to provide its customers "significant quality assurance," he says. But going through a private network means portability is more limited -- there's no adaptor to take with you traveling. A Comcast unlimited call plan costs $39.95 a month and it does the installation for"
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/26/pf/comcastvoip/
*************"This will enable the company to provide its customers "significant quality assurance"******************
my informmation was that QOS is not employed because there is no data traffic on the line....NO prioritizing needed...
That is what they said in the classes.
seriously, I kind of feel sorry for you....
It is Voip only in that it digitizes and send the voice in packets....
It is not the traditional VOIP which is what I have said about 4 times now....
It doesn't use the internet...
Check my past posts, I have said this numerous times...
your use of the word VOIP is a smoke screen for the fact that you said it used the internet....
I said it didn't....
anyone looking at this can see you were wrong.
The fact that you aren't man enough to admit it is realy shocking in light of your prior posts on this board.
you sure are a sore loser...
just admit it and be a man...
Their network is not the internet....
I've seen 3 year olds with more integrity.
guess you aren't quite as humble as you should be when someone shows you that you are full of sh*t...
LOL
Here's another one Mike....
how are you feeling now?
read and learn......
"Comcast has begun trial service runs outside of Philadelphia, in Indianapolis, and will soon add Springfield, Mass. Unlike Vonage, which routes its signals over public Internet routes, Comcast's service will be through its own network, according to company spokesman Bob Smith. This will enable the company to provide its customers "significant quality assurance," he says. But going through a private network means portability is more limited -- there's no adaptor to take with you traveling. A Comcast unlimited call plan costs $39.95 a month and it does the installation for"
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/26/pf/comcastvoip/
geeez imagine that:
"This will enable the company to provide its customers "significant quality assurance"
Hey NlightN...(LOL) what does this say?
"Unlike Vonage, which carries the call across the Internet all the way to wherever the recipient may be, cable companies now typically pay long-distance carriers to transport calls out of their system area, adding to their cost. Comcast, however, is building its own national IP network to skirt those fees. "
***COMCAST IS BUILDING ITS OWN NATIONAL IP NETWORK TO SKIRT THOSE FEES
http://www.vonage-forum.com/printout134.html
now hang your head in shame....
as I said, POSER.
You are a complete imbecile...
Worse that that you don't even know it yet...
DO yourself a favor and contact any official at the company and tell them that their phone service goes out over the internet...and you will get laughed at.
Its ione thing to be ignorant, its another to announce it to everyone in the world...
But keep it up. Your credibility is shrinking into negative numbers....
Because you are so ignorant I WILL dig up the actual press release that describes it....
I have a 1 inch thick description of it...
You are not an objective person...
You are a bitter poser with an aganda...
I said it is not VOIP in that earlier post because it is NOT traditional VOIP that is commonly referred to...
You were snagged in the trap as has been others here...
Read this and learn...
"Unlike Vonage, which carries the call across the Internet all the way to wherever the recipient may be, cable companies now typically pay long-distance carriers to transport calls out of their system area, adding to their cost. Comcast, however, is building its own national IP network to skirt those fees. "
***COMCAST IS BUILDING ITS OWN NATIONAL IP NETWORK TO SKIRT THOSE FEES
http://www.vonage-forum.com/printout134.html
It makes me 3 times more knowledgeable than you or any of the other posers that don't even know the basics that are being discussed.
they had a lot of switches left over from the AT&T broadband aquisition, which had been using switching technology and simply used those switches....
no problem....
they wanted to avoid QOS...beause they could not guarentee
quality...it was bad...even with QOS..so they built their own network...albeit it is a small network that connects to other phone networks and comcasts customers in system get their calls over the cable infrastructure....but it simply avoids the internet altogether....
Dude...my posts about asnap were not current..they were to prove a point to That poster who said akk I do is hype...
You guys are an embaressment...
There is no internet involved in comcasts phone service....
Please stop embaressing yourselves....
They have "soft switch" technology and their OWN network....
This is the problem with the internet...everyone thinks they are an expert....
stop embaressing yourself.
these were posts from months ago.
I hope they sign the big one.
Mike do yourself a favor and look up VOIP...and then the last word...PROTOCOL.....
you can use that protocol anywhere...and Comcast uses it on their own network....NOT on the internet...
LOOK I went through a 3 day course in it...trust me I know what I am talking about...and I am getting tired of humoring you here....
There is NO internet involved.....
Please move on to something that you have a better handle on.
Mike.
I'll try not to insult you because you have been civil.
But, NO . Comcast does not use the internet and it is NOT VOIP
Comcast calls it CDV, and they have their own network just like Verizon does or anyone else.
Please do the appropriate research before responding back.
If you need help feel free to ask any questions that you want.
that's a put down?
get over yourself.
Again my assumption is that you crave attention. Whether you do or not I really don't know...but showing endless details about who you are etc....again that is the most logical assumption.
I came here to talk about the company's prospects...somehow you still think this is about you...
Guess what ?
I could care less who you are.
You haven't impressed me, and your life bio doesn't thrill me either.
sorry, maybe the tech/personals would be a good place for you.
LOL.
QOS attempts to ensure quality of the bitstream when error correction (which is the usual method) would be useless because voice calls must be immediate...
COMCAST needs no QOS because it does not travel over the internet....
POSER.
Gee Mike, great research////
Posted by: wiredog
In reply to: kwmule who wrote msg# 8009 Date:4/12/2005 6:59:19 PM
Post #of 17051
"Asnap isn't stating his opinion. He is saying "I just spoke to....sales dept said..."etc
and it is always 100% wrong.
No one seems to remember or hold either Asnap or the company accountable....
It is amazing to me that an officer of a company can make so many statements back to back that turn out to be 100% false...
I don't really think I have ever seen anything like this.
Notice all of Asnap's communications from the company are always in his own words....he never posts an email or a fax he gets from them...
That way the scam can keep on going....
The latest is that AFTER CLYW posts there 10k we will get trials and prototype info....
GREAT...after. and the fine print is that it is 6 months after or 1 year after .....
Its a big BS game....never changes...
I am amazed people keep listening to Asnap over and over again."
..............................................................
Posted by: wiredog
In reply to: blshtry who wrote msg# 8001 Date:4/12/2005 4:08:09 PM
Post #of 17050
"Hey Blish,
did you try contacting the company?
either by email or fax and if you could post the response in its exact form that you recieve it some of us would appreciate it.
Asnap and others I am sorry to say are full of BS.
I don't believe one thing he/they post.
Its too bad.
Because the fist 500 times Asnap said good things were coming I wanted to believe him.HE just posts the same thing over and over."
and theres plenty more where that came from....
are there any other challenges that you would like to "accept"?
LOL.
hey Mike.
Great guy. Your skeptical.
Go back and read my posts over the past year . I have tons of skepticism in them.
While you are uninvested , I am invested. And I have reached the conclusion that the scam question has been put to rest.
So while you pontificate about the industry etc. in reality all that matters to longs here is if they sign a sizable deal or two...not whether it even includes asnap, or if they are currently registered in some organization, and not even (as unbelieveable as it might seem to you) whether their patent will hold up.
So bash away.
But while you are at it ask yourself how the stock will react if that 4 million phone order materializes....
in the last month we have seen
1.pictures of their phone
2.heard that they have bought into the manufacturer of the phone with am option to buy , and
3.secured a potential 4 million phone deal.
speculate, postulate, pontificate....
but at the end of the day if this is real we win.
period.
the stock will fly because greed is contagious. when traders see the stock move they will jump on.
That is the way markets work.
stich
"I am no Internet newbie and I know full well the risk of divulging my name or identity. In my case I did so because unlike you I don't feel the need to hide behind an anonymous shield "
more like the opposite.
you for some reason need attention personally to yourself...
I have no doubt about that.
As to your cheap shot about my credentials...I live and breath the stuff so I definately do not need to prove myself to you....as to your credentials...most of what I saw about you was bike racing....
Not really a strong resume in my opinion.
I guarentee I've seen in action over the last 15 years far more products and services than you can even dream of...
It's only defamation because you chose to "out" yourself with picture and webpage etc....
Stupid is as stupid does.
LOL.
LG I believe there was a direct quote from an official at Sliepner .....
You can borrow my glasses if you want...
We are equally committed to securing orders for over 4 Million Calypso C1250i WiFi-GSM-GPRS mobile phones in the next three to six months," says Bruno Motta, Vice President of Marketing of Sleipner SA.
PS. don't be angry all your life...
LOL.
4 million phone order = bad news I suppose, as the stock is down today.
I guess 8 million would be REALLY bad...
LOL.
Its not me doing it but my take on this is that as I said before you should not have given out your personal info on this board....It is an invitation for the nuts to come out of the woodwork and wreak havok on you .
Lesson learned I hope, but I suspect not.
4 million phones at 100$ a piece = 400 million $ in Revenues
May take a run at 1.00$ by the end of day....