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scalechoppa i suggest you start doing your dd as well and start by the board of directors of Cetek (history affiliations prior business etc )
the company is quite secretive about theirs whereabout ...also they are in Share buyback issue ..and should have a websiteup before theend of the month .. now for P and D you have to go Raging Bull for the excitement don't count on me .....sorry
credit rating A+ !! revenues between 5 and 10 millions $
https://secure.businesscreditusa.com/tab_report7.asp?sch_abinumber=433798238&si=50212367623924&VendorID=200000&fromPage=payment
there is no patent Hilal doesnt trust patent at this level ...period
Corning is only speculation not a fact ..
on Ellen Tormey the other director she was with Sarmoff
and that's heavy duty
Sarnoff's Life Science and Systems Business Unit is a world-class center where leading-edge biology research and innovation are combined with advances in electronics and miniaturization to transform drug discovery and delivery, medical devices and diagnostics, and genomic/proteomic research
www.sarnoff.com/
the proof a conference see her name 4 Pm K27
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:4e2W3XRnsssJ:www.mrs.org/meetings/fall99/progbook/ProgramBookK.ht...
so here we go again incredible Rolodex and for the few who have doubt in this Co .. we can't bring more talented people in this Co ,idf the price go down fine incredible opportunity to leverage lower so no matters what we win ....
also mmm..
http://www.sarnoff.com/products_services/displays/index.asp
UMRS SEEKS NOMINEES FOR 2004 SOMIYA AWARD
ON INTERNATIONAL COLLABORATION
look closely Shigeyuki Somiya also wrote a book with Spriggs, Richard (cetek Tecknologies ) these guys are the finest in their class if you wnt more info about the book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0126546401/qid=1076023437/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-101403...
draw your own conclusions February 20 !
The International Union of Materials Research Societies (IUMRS) is seeking nominations for the annual Sômiya Award, which recognizes research on real materials conducted by a research team whose members are drawn from at least two continents. The submission deadline is February 20, 2004.
Sômiya Award recipients are selected by the IUMRS Commission on Awards. The winners receive an award commemorating the occasion and free registration to the annual IUMRS International Conference where they present their work. This year the conference will be held at the 9th IUMRS International Conference on Electronic Materials (IUMRS-ICEM 2004), April 12-16, 2004 in San Francisco, U.S.A.
The following criteria are used by the Commission on Awards for selection:
<sum> The team to be honored must have collaborated across at least two continents (e.g.
N. America, Europe, Asia, Australia, etc.) some time during the last decade.
<sum> The collaborative work must be of the highest quality and well recognized by the international materials community.
<sum> The impact on technology or society is also a major factor.
The IUMRS was established in 1991 as an international association of technical groups or societies which have an interest in promoting interdisciplinary materials research. The annual Sômiya award is named in honor of Dr. Shigeyuki Sômiya, Emeritus Professor of the Tokyo Institute of Technology, and later Dean at Teikyo University of Science and Engineering. Dr. Sômiya is a winner of the MRS Medal and the Japanese Scientific Academic Award.
-more-
Professor Sômiya spent his post-graduate years in the U.S. and embarked on a series of collaborative research and exchange visits in many countries, starting in 1969 with the U.S.-Japan Workshop in Ceramics -- the very first in materials science. He also actively pursued joint work with colleagues in Europe, and brought many international materials gatherings to Japan.
The 2003 Sômiya Award for International Collaboration in Materials Research was
awarded to a Dutch/Chinese research team, Dr. Klaas de Groot of IsoTis NV and
Professor FuZhai Cui of Tsinghua University, for their investigation of "Biomimetic Calcium
Phosphate Composites".
Information about the award and submission forms are available at www.iumrs.org and must be received at the IUMRS Headquarters by February 20, 2004.
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Part 2 Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .
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HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
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The Basher 'Pack' Mentality
Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.
Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.
Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.
What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.
Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK.
here is the "Bible "
The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.
Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?
Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.
IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.
The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, HONEST Intelligent and Cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.
You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.
Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.
DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!
This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0
Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.
A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.
Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid? see post 2
Recap from "Mephures " I agree 200 %
Board ! do you like to play chess ?
Imagine one second that you are the owner of a very interesting company, near to receive the fruits of years of hard work.
Imagine that you have a lot of shares, not in your hand, but theses shares value nothing (near 0.0001 by 1000K)
Imagine that you want to value the shares you have , to take back a greater control of your company (you have had to distribute this shares during the hard times).
You decide to reduce the amount of the shares, of 2/3.
and you decide to organize this buyback with some MM.
Imagine that you are not a PR people but a scientist, and when somebody call you (Round), you are so happy and proud of what you are doing, that you say "better than ...".
Imagine that "Round" is a fervent able to post more than 3000 posts on a board, and aggregate a lot of people, and in consequencie the price of the share begin to explode.
People doing some DD ....
The result of your single sentence is enormous ... it is the opposite of all you want to do, but you are not a PR nor a MM and you will need to do something to avoid the worst (price of the shares going to high for your buyback).
your first objective was to reduce the number of shareholders, your new objective now, is to avoid the price's explosion of this shares and at the opposite to reduce the price.
In this case, you decide to not release the PR, you first imagine to release, because you were very proud of your job, but to release a "kind" of PR.
As your are honnest, you will not lie, don't telling all you can say is not lying, is just being cautelous. :)
As you say by the end of the month, you will emit it, just in time, you are waiting for people being tired to wait.
But still people is here hopping, and not selling ... the MM are not able to terminate their contract, the price is too high for you ...
You realize at this time that the shareholders are not your friends, they were never here, when you need them (in hard time), they just want to get the profits of your work avoiding you to concretize your plans.
The best solution is to shake a lot, them, and the more resistants at least will receive the benefits of this quality, and the others .... ciao ....
In anycase you have to reduce of 2/3 the number of shareholders, if you please them, they will never run out ... and you will never be able to concretize your buyback.
OK, a lot of imagination, in poor english, but .... we are not necessary for this company, we know that, and M Hilal know it too, for this reason we don't have any information.
He needs to reduce the number of shares, buying back, if he please us, we will never sold "HIS" shares. he is in a strong position (better than we can imagine, may be !) and we are in the weak position, everything depend on a word or a sentence he will never give to us till the end of the buyback.
If he gives good informations, the price will jump.
I cannot understand that people here is still waiting for some miracle.
You have to think like a scientist, his strategy is technical, he will win by himself, (it is a one man show), he will not get cash emitting and selling shares why ?
If your product is not ready, you are not able to lie and to emit a PR by week to convince shareholders.
If your product is ready or near to be ready, the money come by itself ... you don't need anymore of the shareholder's money.
If you make your DD, and you own the sufficient money to wait for the end of the buyback, I think it is a great opportunity.
If not, better jumping soon, it will help to terminate sooner the buyback and to drop down the share price.
Just some ideas ....
Recap and very interesting ,,You should read and live by ..
By: burlaptocashmer
31 Jan 2004, 06:09 PM EST Msg. 54337 of 56656
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A Retrospect Of Last Years Stock Holder Addresses:
April 5. 2003 Saturday: FIRST QUARTER
"Substrates samples were being sent out to grinding houses for evaluation."
The Cetek "Process" is all about producing a ceramic substrate WITHOUT microfissures.Grinding houses are in business to remove these flaws. To produce a substrate without microfissures would put us on the map in the ceramic world. To send them out to "finishing houses" was to get them to validate our capacity and to let them potentially know WE ARE GOING TO ROCK YOUR WORLD soon.
"Analysis of feedback is in progress"
I Believe that Alfred University played a role here. Dr. Earl, is a ceramics expert faculty member there, and has done consulting with MOT AND CTKH...interesting. You might find his paper: "Cordierite Honeycomb Structures Formed By Reduction Extrusions Processing" and interesting read? Was this a report on what was being done at CETEK as it relates to their potential money making "Process" ... interesting potential tie in? And for all you "pink" stock bashers that say we are only a "smoke and mirrors" company, we have the information to prove WORLD CLASS R&D is going on!!!!! And an impressive list of PHD's from their last SEC report they filed.
What else happened in Q1?
An INCREASE in the size of their ceramic plates to 12 inches.Hilal writes:"...this size plate was significant, as it is the largest size that the industry has YET to build."
Remember they have just begun to build them this size and it is VERY difficult to be consistent. NO ONE has done this yet...emphasis on N-O-B-O-D-Y! Why do we care? Well, we are working towards, among other applications, Big...B-I-G (CNT-carbon NANO Tube) displays that will show tomorrow's Superbowl Game on your entire living room wall! But we are just beginning here and so for now it is only (ha) 12 inches. Remember the furnace here is the key to building larger substrates but nobody has this type of furnace...or do they? OK, let's move on and as we do, keep looking for developments and follow through on Hilal business plan.
Hilal goes on to talk about marketing our ideas here for the first time. He is working on getting the word out and look what happens:
WOW. Now we read that we are going to build a unique furnace and not only that but an INTERNATIONAL company has heard about our little Poughkeepsie venture and is giving us a contract! Nice marketing Hilal and fast too! Do ya think this British Firm would waste their money without doing research that we are the only ones capable of doing the work. Man, we must really have a "unique process" to get them to come all the way over here to find little 'ol us. I wonder if Cetek can deliver the goods and if this British company will like it and if this means we will now have an INTERNATIONAL reach? Not bad for a subpenny stock! Oh wait there's more... " This program is long term and several units are to be built." We shall see...?
One last little tid bit at the end of this Q1 that is amusing for a subpenny:
"...if our plans are successfully met, we should be able to show a profit in 2003."
A WHAT... PROFIT? Interesting. This company has been in business since the early to mid 90s, I believe, and they have never talked about ever making a profit. Hmmmm. I wonder if this will happen? Let's read on...
July 30, 2003 SECOND QUARTER Address:
In this report we see right off that we have generated revenues! So we are now making money? (Remember the Q1 statement about profit? is something happening to make get us beyond debt?) Interesting, cause again in the last known SEC filing they stated that to date no income had been EVER generated from the CETEK "PROCESS." Baby steps...
Hilal writes:
"Revenues were 223% higher than the same period last year"
Interesting, revenues from what? Let's look further...
Hilal gives more details on his business plan: Oh, by the way, this is the SAME business plan he has been working on since the early to mid 90s-he has NEVER wavered-he is a man possesed!
He writes:
"Production of the 12 inch substrate has taken off..."
WOW, I like that "taken off" part, kind of sounds like another comment we have reportedly heard recently... "Better Then You Can Imagine" but I digress.
OK, back in Q1 we were just experimenting with this 12 inch size substrate BUT in Q2 we go into "production" of this substrate. More baby steps...
Also from the report:
"Yield is improving"
Remember this is very difficult to perfect and we are now getting better and better at this process through our R&D.
He also now mentions the "C" word: CUSTOMERS! Is this where we are getting revenues from?
"Our customers are indicating special interest in the Cetek's large-size substrates and its unique properties."
So we learn here that word is spreading now and that our tiny company has a "Hot" large area SMOOTH ceramic display substrate that could help customers make a really big display. Wonder who these "customers" are? For additional DD search under "Sintering wide area ceramic thin film substrates."
In this Q report Hilal also states he needs money and hints towards shopping for financing. Class A commons are also mentioned to help build equipment for further development of the plan. Money, as in an emerging company, is becoming an issue and Hilal is really needing cash to do cutting edge R&D.
"Notwithstanding the delay in financing..." Were they working on deals with third part financial companies? Hilal pushes on...
"Notwithstanding the delay in financing, several pieces of equipment, as well as certain jigs and fixtures, are being built."
I think it is very exciting that not only are we doing cutting edge research in a unique ceramic field but we also have the capacity to MAKE OUR OWN equipment-talk about a talent pool. All this and we are a sub penny ... unbelievable!!!! But again I digress.
At the end of Q2 we read of a "share holders meeting" hmmmm.
Why hold a share holders meeting if, as some have bashed here, they are not even a real company? I find it ironic that it was originally held at the Stardust hotel in Vegas ha.
October 27th 2003 THIRD QUARTER Address:
OK, third quarter has now been completed and it is only 4 months since the last report. Are we still working the plan?
Right off the bat our CEO states:
"Substantial progress has been made on all fronts over the most resent quarterly period."
Again I like the word "Substantial" I am getting the read, from between the lines now, that Hilal is getting excited but this might just be my bias."
Let's review once again what they were last working on in Q2:
1. Actual reference to generating money at 223% increase year to date.
2. A consistent 12 inch substrate with growing yields (more of them being made but still need a lot more before they can be considered seriously).
3. Customers were mentioned and a beginning demand for these substrates.
4. Cycle times (production) was being limited by lack of equipment. BUT an additional furnace was mentioned to help in the speed of this production AND this furnace was being built in house to save money. (Shows me a company that is resourceful, prudent and competently staffed). Again, we are a SUB PENNY operation.
5. Trying to secure funding for Flat Panel Displays and Hilal implied that he was looking for deals but it was slow going during this quarter. Might I mention it was slow going for the ENTRIRE economy during this time and the fact that they are fighting to make a dollar is just amazing.
6. First share holders meeting announced. Time to do a little show and tell and generate some "buzz" with investors.
So far very encouraging in that we have made "SUBSTANTIAL" progress,according to Hilal, in all of the above. More baby steps ... wow. Is it safe to say now that we have learned that we have invested in one hard working CEO and company. Again, may I remind you this is a SUB PENNY stock. It is real and has all of this going for it in the NANO sector. But wait ... some have bashed that they are only a machine shop and are NOT a nano play. Let's see if we get greater clarity on this issue?
OK, we continue to read that they indeed had the August shareholders meeting and that the company has reelected officials and directors. I do not know who all sits now as directors but according to my DD in 1999 they had 9 members with 3 PHD's!!!! You can read about them in my past DD reports here. Did they reelect these same scientists? Tell me, if you had a PHD would you work for a "Smoke and Mirror" stock that had nothing going for it other then printing shares ... would you throw away 12-15 years of school not to mention your reputation. I don't think so! FYI: The success of this and any R&D company is in the quality of their "Brain Trust." In this case we are at a point where "Brain Power" is the highest power needed to continue our efforts and grow pps.
These share holders saw actual substrates and heard from management concerning a : "...wide range of subjects including an industry overview, some technical discussion." They also talked about the business plan ... could this have included talk about a financing deal? In the last report money was the key and in this report Hilal says they made substantial progress. What deal(s) were they working on?
Mention is now made of a share buy back plan. Is this just a fluff PR? Why do they not mention specifics times and amounts? We can only hope that more info. is shared in upcoming reports. Hey, don't companies do buy back plans to improve financial deals with third party lenders? hmmmmm. One last thing about this share holder meeting:
FYI: From what I have learned concerning this shareholders meeting 6 people came to that first meeting, one from Brazil. Two post on RB every once in a while and the amount of shares they own would cause your head to spin. At this meeting did Hilal shared some "amazing" info. that has kept everyone that came to Vegas more then confident in their investment? I think they know what they have and are biding time here with a somewhat amusing detachment as many here flip and swing and bash something few have little clue of and it's ultimate worth. Follow the money people...they are holding all there shares... will you?
OK, for all the NANO doubters that say we have no involvement in this explosive sector we have the first reference with the word NANO: " Nano Particles and Flat Panel Displays." Exciting! But Hilal states they only have "modest activity" so far in securing funding for this field. More baby steps...
January 30,2004 FOURTH QUARTER Address:
Does the business plan continue? Have we made any progress? We all were expecting the moon shot and our expectations were so high. Some sold off thinking it was empty but was it really? In light of the entire year was this not further confirmation of what an amazing stock this is turning into? Let's dig alittle deeper:
We have in the opening sentence something that is nothing short of AWESOME for a sub penny. CETEK "...reports that the fourth quarter of 2003 was the first profitable quarter in over 4 years." WE MADE A PROFIT and we trade @ .0060?????? Unreal!
PEOPLE do you appreciate what this means? It should easily take us to penny land alone. A profit from all the above mentioned work. If you were a workaholic CEO that lived and breathed this company for years and had to R&D on a shoe string in a little hole in the wall shop in Poughkeepsie with nagging share holders all the time calling and wanting "details" and you turned a profit for the first time in 4 agonizing, back breaking, everyone doubting you and naked shorting you YEARS!!! ... Is it any wonder you would not think this statement" better then imagined"???? I am proud to hold this issue.
It gets better...183% better. " Revenues for the year 2003 were 185% higher than the year 2002." The baby steps are picking up...
The next thing that Hilal announces is an OFFICAL connection with the Bush Nano Bill. (That's a fund with $4 billion in appropriations.) Could it be that if you read between the lines and place the timing of this address that a deal is very close to getting some of this governmental funding?
THESE ARE JUST MY VIEWS but why mention this at the top of the most anticipated PR in the history of this company? We all know about this news already so why mention CETEK and BUSH right at the top of your report?...it is also the largest paragraph in a short report. What would happen to our pps if government funding was in the works but it was not able to be finalized in time for this report...dare to dream.
What else about this interesting paragraph?
The other thing this does is forever kill the "Cetek is not a Nano play" bashing. Again, have you researched any Nano stocks with a pps of .0060? This alone will be huge for us as "Nano" is spreading like wildfire in the investment world. The best part is, the higher our price the more serious investment dollars will come our way. People, we are part of the mythical ground floor or a real company that has something to offer the most explosive sector in modern history. As many major financial journals have already commented: ...this is far bigger then the internet explosion WITHOUT the bubble!
But it gets better:
Remember the furnace is the "womb" of our CETEK PROCESS:
OK, in the last year Q's we went for talk about a furnace to building a proto type to marketing a product to getting at least one customer in the UK to multiple long term orders. Is that progress or what? ALL IN A YEAR! But did we deliever on this promise? Did we come through in our business plan? Did we make the furnace? In my DD I saw pictures from the plant. Many of you have seen them too. There is a post on the yahoo BB board and not just one either! We know that they made 50k profit per unit. They have several new clients maybe someone in Ohio and the state of New York is involved somehow in this work. Read the last SEC filing they did. We were working with NY officals in that they provided the funding and we were going to pay them a royalty. Read about it in my past posts. Very cool stuff. Do you think the state of New York would partner with a SUB PENNY stock. Well, they did!
So again I ask have we made any progress here? Are the pieces fitting together? Is this really another great report? Let's continue to read:
Hilal writes in Q4: "LARGER (emphasis added) sintering furnaces,in the ceramic area, WILL come on line the first quarter of 2004." OK, this is huge. Todate we owned the attention of companies like MOT (yes, I know the deal is not current any longer with but deals can be redone in a heart beat.) WHY? Because we had the only substrate that worked for them and it was the largest at 12 inches. Now we see that a LARGER furnace is coming online. And this furnace increases the capacity by "threefold." Why do we need a threefold capacity increase? Are we gearing up for bigger demands on our ceramic work? Does this mean a larger then 12 inch substrate. WE KNOW IT HAS TO MEAN MORE PROFIT DOLLARS FOR THE LARGER UNITS!!!
How about our clients:
Well, we ARE delivering on all we said we could do. "Shipments on Schedule."
How about the British client. Did they like what we built them in the past- not years but months- did it meet their expectations?
From the Q4 report:
"Cetek's primary customer from England, for whom we are building special furnace(S), has ISSUED Cetek Technologies MORE orders for the LARGE furnace(S). This product has GENERATED STRONG DEMAND in the United States and overseas. SUBSTANTIAL sales for this product line are expected throughout 2004 and INTO 2005.
WOW! This is chock full of PPS rising kind of stuff. We know the "British Firm," from past information, is a huge player over there. They not only liked the work we did but ordered more then one original furnace$. THEN they issued (as in checks) orders for our NEW ENLARGED furnace we built$$. Not just them but we are now generating "strong demand" in the United States as well$$$. And they must be good as we now have SUBSTANCIAL sales for this "PRODUCT LINE" a subpenny with a product line. Ya got to love that! Oh and not just last year but strong demand for this whole year AND INTO 2005!!!!
Now do you think that will effect our pps?
Wait there's more.
We now have offical word that the mythical buyback has begun and it is continuing for the benifit of Hilal and his stock holders.
Sometimes the big picture need to be viewed in small snap shots. That's exactly what Hilal has done in each of these Q "Addresses" and the picture is awesome! A we are just a SUB PENNY STOCK!!!! Not for long.
The above is IMHO and each investor should do his or her own DD. Pink sheet stocks are very risky.
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News Forbes January 30, 2004 ...very good
Importantly, Cetek made a significant advancement during this past quarter, to become ... Nanotechnology:
Big Potential In Tiny Particles Forbes January 30, 2004 ...
http://nanotech-now.com/
First beeboy please dont write in Capital letters , then don't repost three times this is not Raging Bull and Pump and Dump landscape
we try to have a rational discussion here and with you here we don't have that at all ..!
rnke news is on going ,,,,
Narendra 2 question are you located in Knoxville Tn ?
Narendra .. question you seems so confident that you might look like an insider ? any clues ?
about agrd interesting point
beware sound strange that " the news" is not a business wire yet !
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AGRD&read=9212
on gbll good luck the RB board on it looks kind of scary ...
fraud scam ... you name it .. the small vol did it hopefully not too many got burned
what's the deal with nnco nncoe ?
IESV need to get rid of Nite ! then we jump to 0.056 ..0.007
the following might happen with CTKH:
1) Share buyback completion announced with some details.
2) Nice revenue increase detailed on 2003 progress (10/27/2003 pr stated 230% revenue increase over prior 9 month period), I would guess this report/pr should be seen around the end of January.
3) A Deal with Samsung, Motorola, or other company for flat panel televisions or other CTKH products.
4) Progress and completion of their specialty reclamation furnace they have been contracted to build by British manufacturing firm.
5) Ceramic business is shown to have been turned around nicely as the 2003 years pr's seem to indicate. Also, prototype of the larger ceramic substrates being shown and possible additional sales there.
6) Nanotechnology particle deals and/or sales.
7) Fuel Cell deal comes to fruition with FCEL !!
8) Intangibles, additional applications of their products become known. IE additional uses for their ceramics and nano particle products. New deals, etc.
Why would CTKH buy back shares unless they felt the company was now in position for a nice rise in share and company value? How would they buy back shares unless they had money to do it? Both seem like positives to me.
Basically, anything can happen, but if any of the above occurs, expect a nice jump north
Of course do what you think is right for you.
no insult please mr eric T
IBZT: DD - facts and anticipation and my 2 cents worth
ANTICIPATED NEWS :
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- TechTV will announce the finalists on Friday, January 9 at 9PM Pacific Time for 'Best of Show' CES Award in the 'Mobile Computing.
- Radio Shack & other retail distribution partnerships (perhaps Walmart, Circuit City and others)
- Additional media coverage (CNBC rumored again this week)
- Sales & unit shipments
RECENT NEWS:
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- Jan 8-11, 2004 IBZT showcasing much anticipated Virtual Keyboard, FMpocketRADIO & XELA Case/Keyboard at the Consumer Electronics International Consumer Electronics Show 2004 in Las Vegas from January 8th - January 11th, 2004 (the biggest retail show of it’s kind in the world).
- Jan 5, 3:03 pm ET iBIZ's Virtual Laser Keyboard is Nominated for the TechTV 'Best of Show' CES Award in the 'Mobile Computing. TechTV will announce the finalists on Friday, January 9 at 9PM Pacific Time. A press release will be sent out and the list of finalists will be posted on www.techtv.com.
- Dec. 31 IBZT - News), was covered today at 11:20AM Eastern on the "Tech Watch" segment on CNBC
- Nov. 11 IBZT - News) announced today sales volumes reach two year highs.
President and Chief Executive Officer, Ken Schilling stated, "Since November 2001, we have been rebuilding our product offerings in and around the PDA accessory industry. Last April at RetailVision Spring we launched two distinct and innovative products, The Xela Case/Keyboard, and The CF (Compact Flash) Pocket Radio. In September we began shipping The SD (Secure Digital) Pocket Radio for Palm handheld devices.
The retail response for these products has been extremely high resulting in record two and a half year sales volumes. Also, in September, RetailVision Fall, we launched the new Virtual Keyboard winning us nominations for Best New Technology and Best New Accessory. Today we have a backlog of orders for the Virtual Keyboard with new national retail chains.
We anticipate delivery in mid to late December and will be in full swing with Virtual Keyboard deliveries by the end of January.
IBZT PRODUCTS
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Virtual Laser Keyboard:
September 2003 , RetailVision Fall, we launched the new Virtual Keyboard winning us nominations for Best New Technology and Best New Accessory. Today we have a backlog of orders for the Virtual Keyboard with new national retail chains. We anticipate delivery in mid to late December and will be in full swing with Virtual Keyboard deliveries by the end of January. The Virtual keyboard has garnered the attention of retail giants both nationally and internationally.
Jane Wells, CNBC Correspondent, said the Virtual Laser Keyboard is "an accessory that embeds laser-emitting as lens, infrared matrix that is projected out to a flat surface ... as you type into it ... it reflects the image back to a small camera that sits inside of the device and it registers a character." Wells also said, "It even makes a little tapping noise to make the whole experience more life-like is compatible with Palm, Pocket PCs, laptops and desktop PCs.
The Virtual Laser Keyboard will be available for $99.99 from major retailers, e-commerce sites, and iBIZ Technology's own e-commerce site in 1st quarter 2004. An upcoming version for cell phones will be available in 4th quarter 2004.
FMpocketRADIO
The industry's first FM Radio for the PDA Market. Now both Palm & Pocket PC users can tune into FM Radio anytime & anywhere.
XELA Case/Keyboard
Dec. 10 IBZT announced XELA Case/Keyboard is now shipping. The ultra-compact XELA Case/Keyboard is the only keyboard on the market that is designed for conventional two-handed typing as well as single-handed input. IBIZ's patented design allows the XELA Keyboard to transform into a Case for your PDA right before your eyes.
My 2 cents.......
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For a .058 stock with all the above going for it and still hugely undiscovered, this still seems like a no brainer.
Good luck all.
RNKE will break the penny today ...
rnke 0.085 ! going up ...
rnke next on the line ..imo
no ideas but Im interested about your 6th sens on CTKH ?
lol white that' was good .. now ihave to listen and watch for my 6 post i might talk about something more profitable ..
about ieme dallas if i may let me rephrase politeley
i will post the following and as my opinion without beeing rude about i share the following information might save some $ for a more profiatble operation
Results of Operations
The company ceased operaring in August 2002 and is in the process of seeking a buyer for the remainig public shell corporation. A comparison of results for tis period to any other would be meaningless.
Liquidity and Capital Resources
The company is unable to continue as a going concern.
cthk info about buy back http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/031027/275682_1.html
what about lbtt 0.14 going to explode soon imo