“AON orders are not shown on the specialist's book because they cannot be traded in pieces. “

https://www.nasdaq.com/investing/glossary/a/all-or-none-order

The litigation is happening for many years now. But the dilution was causing that whatever happened to GERS that was positive, didn't show in the PPS, even though people kept on buying hoping it would change.

Now, since dilution stopped, we can see what effects the price. If you go back a few months, you'll see that at the time the chance on a settlement increased, the PPS also increased. With a stay announced it either dropped, or the price leveled and went down or up a bit more slowly.
Now (almost) everybody knows that the litigation still might take a while. People who are in, bought mostly in in the low cents level and hold on to their shares. People who want to buy, mostly hope for a better price. That's why the spread is so large. People are patient, because they know it still might take over a year until the lawsuit ends.
Once in a while drops in a small amount of shares to drop the price, or someone buys a small amount to rice the price. Also sometimes someone looses their patience or is just in need for some money. That's causing the swings.
We didn't see them before the last RS, because the dilution killed all hope. Now the dilution is gone, and you'll see this effect.

Din’t forget, all or none bids don’t show up on the bid side. These are just some of the bids.

Can I consider it proven enough and case closed, since you don't reply to the answer I gave you on your request?

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=139510391

Yep, that's the great thing of going from 0.0002 to no bid. every order is a buy slapping the ask at 0.0001.

There are a lot more buy's going to happen if people are willing to sell:

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=139403997

For that, there is ONLY one reason. Before the last reverse split GERS diluted the hell out of it.
Look at this link: https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=126571953

And this link for a history of previous reverse splits.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=123077010
On April 4th 2017 GERS performed the last reverse split. Since then, there has been no sign any more of dilution.

Before that, the dilution was so high that the price could only go down. But the R/S brought the float back to 20 million, which hasn't changed since then. And since most who hold these 20 million aren't willing to sell, there is little pressure on the PPS. Yes, some might get fed up waiting on the outcome of the litigation. And some are in it for the small profit. But the largest past of these shares are held by people who know what is at stake, and who know why to hold.

A few came by and jumped in after learning a bit about it. But they often don't know it might take more then a year. So if there was another stay announced, price dropped a bit because those sold. Making it possible for others to get cheap shares. These are the only moments that you's see a bit larger volume moving the PPS around. The rest is just people playing with shares, like fishing...hoping someone gets nervous and sells.

That proofs what we are trying to tell you. GERS isn't responding to other news, due to the lack of SEC filings.
And since GERS will not start filing again until GERS thinks the time is right (I don't think they will act differently because of a small share holder complaining to the SEC). That might be before, or after the lawsuit is over.

But until then, what happens in the market doesn't matter. Until then, the only thing that matters to the share price is the progress in the litigation and if some shareholder needs money to buy a burger.

Settlement seems off the table. A lower court now first has to decide, then there will be an appeal.

Might be a block of shares that moves along as the price rises?

Hi Harry,

The proof you are looking for are in the GERS trading statistics.
I hope you are still willing to look at, and answer the question I've asked before:

Please explain me these jumps/drops too:

0.136 to 0.09 on Feb. 2
0.08 to 0.05 on Feb. 14
0.0594 to 0.0853 Feb 21
0.077 to 0.0501 on Feb. 27
0.0501 to 0.08 on March 8

These are only the most recent month "Large" closing price changes. One of them is known to you, as the change that happened due to the news you've shared.
As a proof that GERSlanders aren't caring too much about that news, you'll see that most price swings here happen without a real reason. Just because trading is very thin, the difference between the bid and ask is very large and someone decides to buy only a few hundred dollars worth of shares, does make this a stock that is reacting more to the willing of one person, then to the real value of this stock.

If I would sell 500 shares today (sorry I will not, because these shares will be worth over $1000 some day) @ 5 cents, the value will drop immediately. I could do that for reason just to hope others will sell too, and I will be able to buy more. It will not say anything about the value of GERS, and the market of ethanol.

Also, please look at these charts:

And tell me what the charts of the other companies have in common with GERS? This is proof (you asked for proof) that shows that the trade swings of GERS differ very much from those from other ethanol companies. Companies that trade a lot more, file reports, and their results are directly related to what happens in the market. There is no way that GERS behaves in the same way related to the market. So either all the other ethanol companies don't resnd to that kind of news and GERS does, or GERS doesn't, and the other do. Which one is it?

Maybe this chart that shows the share price of the companies in the past year, even makes it more clear, that there is no relation between GERS and how the market behaves.

Well, that's what watching the paint dry does. Some seek entertainment in trying to find out what KK and his wife are up to....others try to find connections between normal stocks that tend to anticipate on market related news, and a stock that only reacts to officially shared news directly related to to the company, due to a very long history of reverse splits, chills, lack of filings and a very wide spread between the bid and ask.

It's a bit like the movie "The number 23". Once someone gets obsessed with a relation between two activities, they just keep on seeing it, even if it doesn't exist. No matter how irrational it seems if all other evidence points the other way.

I must admit. I admire the persuasion in the posts. The fact that the opinion is shared, and the perseverance. I think he is a nice guy, just trying to help others with sharing his ideas on trading. The target audience might be mostly people who are looking for a few hundred dollars profit, to maybe a few thousand at the most. Yes, GERS could be nice for such a trade. But I think, the float here is just to thin for making such a profit more then accidentally. Also if more people want to go trading here that way, it wouldn't work, because buying or selling GERS, even if it is just on your own fixed ask/bid, just has a too large effect on GERS.
For that there would need to be more people willing to offer the ask too, or to sell on the ask.
There are just so little here wanting to buy GERS, and those who are are mostly just interested into holding until the lawsuit has ended.

The only thing that might change it are filings, that might attract more interested people. But even then, people would need to sell. And like me, most here will nog sell at any price what so ever, until after the lawsuit ends. Most who are in for a trade, own to little shares. And the it would just be passing on their couple of thousand, to the next who does the same. And there will be no way to buy them back for the real profit.

Why take a few hundred dollars, when you can have thousands?

Never thought I would start reading the GERS board for entertainment, and the BTZO board for news LOL

I swear you, I sneezed on all of those dates....I honestly thought it was me who causing it.

Sure.

Beside that your numbers are wrong (typo), please explain me these jumps/drops too:

0.136 to 0.09 on Feb. 2
0.08 to 0.05 on Feb. 14
0.0594 to 0.0853 Feb 21
0.077 to 0.0501 on Feb. 27
0.0501 to 0.08 on March 8

I don't have a reading comprehension problem. I understand it perfectly well.
To you it doesn't matter the volume it took to move the price up
It doesn't matter how much money it did take to move it up.
It doesn't matter it moved up a lot more often, because the spread has always been wide.
It doesn't matter the ask is still at 0.5
It doesn't matter other ethanol companies didn't react in that way.

To you the only thing that matters is that the price went up on the day after the tax cut. That's reason enough to say its related.

To me it sounds a bit like the professor with the frog.

He says "jump" and the frog jumps. And he writes down "A frog with 4 legs jumps 3 feet"
Then he cuts of a leg and he says "jump" and the frog jumps 2 feet, so he writes it down "A frog with 3 legs jumps 2 feet"
He cuts of another leg, says "jump" and the frog jumps 1 feet.
He cuts of the third leg, says "jump" and the frog jumps 3 inches.
Finally he cuts of the fourth leg and, he say's "jump", but nothing happens...he tries it again and say "jump", but again nothing happens.
One last time, he shouts "jump!" to the frog..but the frog stays where he is.
The professor draws his conclusion and writes down "A frog without legs is deaf"

I think we agree to disagree.

I guess they limited trading because somebody reported them (to the sec?) LOL

LOL, a buy of a couple of hundred dollars is caused by the tax cut? Woow that’s great. I don’t care about all the other drops and rises anymore, as long as market related news is shared, once in a while we will see a jump in pps, and if one of the many price movements is then, caused by a few hundred dollars, it’s proof GERS trades on market fundamentals.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

I did, the 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th are monday’s.
Now tell me, where is the increase in volume?

I did post another reply correcting that

Yes, of course it might help to let GERS be a company that's more likely to attract serious investors by the time the litigation has ended. But as long as there are no sec filings, it will be of no influence. Everything else that is positive for the market, isn't positive (or negative) for GERS as long as no one hears about it.
It's the tree in the forest falling.

Also, the effect will be minimum IMO compared to the total effect of the award/windfall. In other words, the result of the lawsuit will have a much larger impact on the SP on its own, then the all the other market related news on its own.
Yes, combined it might be of more value then just the sum of the two.
But still, the largest part is the effect of the result of the litigation.

As long as there are no filings, it would be stupid to invest on GERS in the expectation that the market is now better.
Just because, you can't measure the effect on GERS without filings, and that makes there are much better reasons to invest in GERS. However, people (and more important institutional investors) who trade in a company based on true market value, often will not buy into a company that doesn't file, and mostly trades on speculation based on the outcome of a lawsuit.

However, if GERS will start filing again before the end of the lawsuit, then market information will be interesting again. Because suddenly they are a normal company again.
But, information that came effective in the past, isn't going to have a immediate effect anymore. They will only have an indirect effect on the numbers, and with that on the SP based on the earnings and revenue.
New market news, can still have a immediate effect on the company if they started filing.

That's how I see it.

Most moved up from Feb. 15th to feb 26th. down again after that. Some have been shaking around. But GERS didn't follow them. The last move up at GERS might look like the same moment some others did. However, GERS did only move on a 5000 share trade. So, very little volume.

Sorry, missed you where probably talking about the Friday after the tax cut was announced. Was it on February the 8th?

Anyway's, looking at al volume on all friday's. There is no significant increase in volume or price on any friday IMO that is really tracking attention. Saying something was on.

I don't understand how that proves that people would be buying GERS suddenly at the ask, because of a tax cut.

You talk about Fridays closing price due to that tax cut. Now look at the volume of the past 5 day's. Friday was the 16th.
Does it look like someone was really convinced buy the tax cut?

I'm not saying it isn't positive news, I'm just saying it has little to no influence on the SP.
You have been following GERS for a while you say. Then you know that GERS is trading very thin, and even the smallest buy or sell does move the needle a lot.
GERS has been moving the past week on very low volume. Not many buyers. Those buyers, didn't buy many shares. If these buyers bought because of the tax cut, I think it's not because they have been reading it here. Those who read the posts here, are mostly into GERS because of the pending lawsuit.
Now there have been some positive development, making GERS more tradable. That might help GERS to be traded more often. But so far, the volume has been so low, that even if someone bought it because of the TAX cut, and because of your call, it doesn't matter anyway. Because the amount of shares that matters for real on the short term, can't be bought anyway at this SP.
People who look to make money out of the result from the Tax cut, would need to wait until numbers are being released. Now why would you then invest in a company that isn't filing reports?
Don't you first need to determine what the value of your investment is, and the growth possibility?
People who are smart enough to invest based on such information, don't invest in GERS, because you will not get to know the result.
And people who are smart enough to invest in GERS do it for the lawsuit, because they know that's the only thing that's certain here.

I know we had this discussion before. It is IMPOSSIBLE to undo six reverse splits by a good ruling. I'm not even going to do the math anymore. But if you like calculate, the ward there would be needed to undo all of those RS. Another option is that you find, your or mine previous post about it.




Dear Harry, you can have all the credit for that as much as you like. The reason why you are the only one sharing that, is probably because you're the only one caring about it.
As long as GERS isn't reporting, there is no positive news (except for details about the result and ending of the lawsuit) that will have more then a little impact on the SP.
To be honest, I don't care at all how good GERS is doing. I just care about how the SP is doing, and especially after the lawsuits end.
All other information, is just peanuts compared to the impact that will have. So why care.

Yes, if GERS suddenly starts filing again due to your tremendous input regarding the SEC complaint, and the filings contain very good information which is even better due to the other information you've shared, the price might move up significantly also. And it might be reason for you to sell and get your profit.
But for me, and I think for most GERS shareholder, it are still peanuts. Because only the lawsuit result really matters price wise.
Yes you might wanna do a flip. But I think that once this starts running due to real results, it will only move up and there is no time for flipping.

Then you are probably the only one who knows about it. Consider your self lucky. A lot of people tried to find other posts by him, or to find out who he is.

He is our Keyser Söze (without the sexual intimidation)

I think he is a politician

of course, how could I be so dumb to think that, what we have been discussing for years on this board, that GERS should be able to be traded at all brokers to make the most out of the lawsuit. To attract more investors and to come out of the pennies.
How could I think that KK was so smart to decide to do something to remove the chill by himself. He couldn't possibly be thinking the company he runs is better of, when they are taken seriously. And that when they win the lawsuit, the price can rise way more, if he got rid of all the chills and warnings.

Of course not.... after years of dilution, years of a chill, years of stopping filing, years of toxic financing, years of complaining investors who have lost millions of money, reverse split after split....it had to take one big investor talking about filing a complaint to the sec.

I'm so glad you got here!

No reason for this to run without filings or a PR about this company

LOL you had me there....well it sounded too obvious anyway. Choosing one of the smallest towns in Canada probably
I can't wait to meet your wife... Maybe KK will send his wife too? She's gorgeous too, however I don't think she will be half as nice to meet as your wife.
Looking forward to the party... that will be the best party ever!

There are even two K's in SkunK LOL. He (or she) is a mystery and a legend.
The mystery might go for you too a bit. However you shared your parts of your personal live. Residing in Whitehorse, Married, a son who is a lawyer, probably you're retired. Also you are a patient, reasonable man, but one who sticks to his opinion, unless if people come with reasonable arguments. You are always willing to listen and you take others seriously and don't make fun of them, unless if they really ask for it.

In other words, you don't sound like KK at all. And if you're the SkunK, you are really good in acting otherwise He is telling a lot less about himself.

Wasn't it even the board of GERS that thought you where the Skunk?

And you don't win until you buy!

I bought 4 bitcoins at $400 and sold just above $200. I bought 1500 shares of XPO at $11 and sold at $15 okay it wasn’t a loss. But for both goes, I better held both a while longer. My loss would have been a very big profit. And my gain would have been peanuts.
Patience is all I needed, and patience is what I have with MXSG.

Then how can you say that the POG was an excuse made up by Mexus, and not stated by Argonout. It seems to me Mexus is the most reliable source here, because I've never read that Argonaut called the POG an false excuse. Everything else seems more like false excuses to support an incorrect opinion.

No link to BTZO 8k, but just to the other: http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=12628774-962-11228&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=953768&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d1627611

Sorry, I'm almost at my 15 posts limit.

Probably E-motion as a subsidiary of Bitzio, has shares. Not publicly traded shares, but shares that have been owned by BTZO (Like GERS has shares, wich are owned by BTZO, but these are publicly traded). If BTZO sells their 100% ownership, they can have received that compensation as a company. Remember we, shareholders own BTZO, not every asset they own. They can buy and sell assets without us knowing it. They probably should notify us, but they don't.

This makes sence that way (by the way 12retech trades at 9 cents, so you can calculate the money involved. And also the debt of E-motion is being transferred to 12retech):

He even said:

With the word "This" and "it" he referred to the removal of the DTCC chill. So this isn't connected to your action. You said it yourself. Keep it real. In doubt, ask him....he will be probably glad to explain "it" to you.

Then why This reply from you saying

and also
to this post saying

While you say