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THE PUNISHMENT OF THE FALLEN ANGELS - THE DESCENDANTS OF CAIN - THE LEGENDS OF THE JEWS - LOUIS GINZBERG
THE PUNISHMENT OF THE FALLEN ANGELS and the Rephaim, Anakim and Nephilim.
[7] Grown to manhood, Noah followed in the ways of his grandfather Methuselah, while all other men of the time rose up against this pious king. So far from observing his precepts, they pursued the evil inclination of their hearts, and perpetrated all sorts of abominable deeds.
[8] Chiefly the fallen angels and their giant posterity caused the depravity of mankind. The blood spilled by the giants cried unto heaven from the ground,
and the four archangels accused the fallen angels and their sons before God,
whereupon He gave the following orders to them:
Uriel was sent to Noah to announce to him that the earth would be destroyed by a flood, and to teach him how to save his own life.
Raphael was told to put the fallen angel Azazel into chains, cast him into a pit of sharp and pointed stones in the desert Dudael, and cover him with darkness, and so was he to remain until the great day of judgment, when he would be thrown into the fiery pit of hell, and the earth would be healed of the corruption he had contrived upon it.
Gabriel was charged to proceed against the *******s and the reprobates, the sons of the angels begotten with the daughters of men, and plunge them into deadly conflicts with one another.
Shemhazai's ilk were handed over to Michael, who first caused them to witness the death of their children in their bloody combat with each other, and then he bound them and pinned them under the hills of the earth, where they will remain for seventy generations, until the day of judgment, to be carried thence to the fiery pit of hell.
[9] The fall of Azazel and Shemhazai came about in this way.
When the generation of the deluge began to practice idolatry, God was deeply grieved. The two angels Shemhazai and Azazel arose, and said: "O Lord of the world! It has happened, that which we foretold at the creation of the world and of man, saying, 'What is man, that Thou art mindful of him?' " And God said, "And what will become of the world now without man?"
Whereupon the angels: "We will occupy ourselves with it." Then said God: "I am well aware of it,
and I know that if you inhabit the earth, the evil inclination will overpower you, and you will be more iniquitous than ever men."
The angels pleaded, "Grant us but permission to dwell among men, and Thou shalt see how we will sanctify Thy Name."
God yielded to their wish, saying, "Descend and sojourn among men!"
When the angels came to earth, and beheld the daughters of men in all their grace and beauty, they could not restrain their passion.
Shemhazai saw a maiden named Istehar, and he lost his heart to her. She promised to surrender herself to him,
if first he taught her the Ineffable Name, by means of which he raised himself to heaven. He assented to her condition.
But once she knew it, she pronounced the Name, and herself ascended to heaven, without fulfilling her promise to the angel.
God said, "Because she kept herself aloof from sin, we will place her among the seven stars, that men may never forget her," and she was put in the constellation of the Pleiades.
Shemhazai and Azazel, however, were not deterred from entering into alliances with the daughters of men, and to the first two sons were born.
Azazel began to devise the finery and the ornaments by means of which women allure men.
Thereupon God sent Metatron to tell Shemhazai that He had resolved to destroy the world and bring on a deluge. The fallen angel began to weep and grieve over the fate of the world and the fate of his two sons. If the world went under, what would they have to eat, they who needed daily a thousand camels, a thousand horses, and a thousand steers?
These two sons of Shemhazai, Hiwwa and Hiyya by name, dreamed dreams.
The one saw a great stone which covered the earth, and the earth was marked all over with lines upon lines of writing.
An angel came, and with a knife obliterated all the lines, leaving but four letters upon the stone.
The other son saw a large pleasure grove planted with all sorts of trees.
But angels approached bearing axes, and they felled the trees, sparing a single one with three of its branches.
When Hiwwa and Hiyya awoke, they repaired to their father, who interpreted the dreams for them, saying,
"God will bring a deluge, and none will escape with his life, excepting only Noah and his sons." When they heard this, the two began to cry and scream, but their father consoled them: "Soft, soft! Do not grieve. As often as men cut or haul stones, or launch vessels, they shall invoke your names, Hiwwa! Hiyya!" This prophecy soothed them.
Shemhazai then did penance. He suspended himself between heaven and earth, and in this position of a penitent sinner he hangs to this day.
But Azazel persisted obdurately in his sin of leading mankind astray by means of sensual allurements.
For this reason two he-goats were sacrificed in the Temple on the Day of Atonement, the one for God, that He pardon the sins of Israel,
the other for Azazel, that he bear the sins of Israel.
[10] Unlike Istehar, the pious maiden, Naamah, the lovely sister of Tubal-cain, led the angels astray with her beauty, and from her union with Shamdon sprang the devil Asmodeus.
[11] She was as shameless as all the other descendants of Cain, and as prone to bestial indulgences.
Cainite women and Cainite men alike were in the habit of walking abroad naked, and they gave themselves up to every conceivable manner of lewd practices. Of such were the women whose beauty and sensual charms tempted the angels from the path of virtue.
The angels, on the other hand, no sooner had they rebelled against God and descended to earth than they lost their transcendental qualities,
and were invested with sublunary bodies, so that a union with the daughters of men became possible. The offspring of these alliances between the angels and the Cainite women were the giants,
[12] known for their strength and their sinfulness; as their very name, the Emim, indicates, they inspired fear. They have many other names. Sometimes they go by the name Rephaim, because one glance at them made one's heart grow weak; or by the name Gibborim, simply giants, because their size was so enormous that their thigh measured eighteen ells; or by the name Zamzummim, because they were great masters in war; or by the name Anakim, because they touched the sun with their neck; or by the name Ivvim, because, like the snake, they could judge of the qualities of the soil; or finally, by the name Nephilim, because, bringing the world to its fall, they themselves fell.
Paule Walnuts
Not 100% sure about this.. The Nephilim of Genesis 6 are still being created by the fallen angels. UFOs, Aliens, proof of life on Mars, popular culture's obsession with Star Trek and more recently the Cydonia pyramid and sphinx --- these elements are all part of the rebel angels' plan to deceive even the Elect. This page hopes to clarify who is denoted by Elohim, and Benai Elohim, cherubim, seraphim, the rebel angel's hybrid creations the Nephilim, and the common notion that Ezekiel's encounter with the "wheels" and the "living creatures" was a UFO SIGHTING. While the extraterrestrial beings who pilot UFOs are indeed mentioned in the Bible, Ezekiel and the prophets did not confuse these "aliens"-- the rebel angels -- with God's own angelic messengers.
Seraphim, Cherubim & Ezekiel's Wheels
Aliens, Nephilim & the Days of Noah
Do not rejoice O Philistia, all of you, for the rod of your striking is broken, because a viper (Antichrist) comes forth from the root of the snake (Satan) and his fruit is the fiery flying seraph. Isaiah 14:29
What is a "seraph"? The root form of "seraphim" in Hebrew connotes the members of the angelic host whose distinguishing characteristic is brilliance, or fire. According to Isaiah, these brilliant angels are the tools of Satan himself, the angelic host following him in his rebellion, and the forces behind Satan's End Times Deception... Ufo phenomena.
For specifics on how the Antichrist will use the fiery flying seraphim, check out UFOs and Antichrist: Cydonia Mars and End Time Deception
The book of Revelation gives a description of demonic miracles manifested by the false prophet on behalf of the Antichrist for the world to see. The most prominent of these is the calling down of fire from heaven, as the prophets of Baal were unable to do in Elijah's day. God ALLOWS the Antichrist to counterfeit miracles on an unprecedented level during the Tribulation. Consequently, Israel and the world will believe the Antichrist, (ministered to by the rebel angels disguised as "aliens" bearing ET technology and wisdom) is the true god.
Many believe the most blatant example of UFOs in the Bible is the account of Ezekiel and the Wheels. Although there are many accounts in the Bible that do indeed support the fact that ancient man was visited by the rebel B'nai Elohim, fallen angels pretending to be "aliens mistaken for gods", this reference to "wheels" and "creatures" in Ezekiel does not describe UFOs.
"Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel upon the earth beside the living creatures one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction ... the four had the same likeness being as it were a wheel within a wheel. The four wheels had rims and they had spokes, and their rims were full of eyes round about. And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them and when the living creatures went, the wheels went with them, for the living creature was in the wheel." Ezekiel 1
Ezekiel 's Wheels with Living Creatures Refers to the
Zodiac and the Gospel in the Heavens
Far from being aliens in UFOs ... Ezekiel's living creatures refer to the four points of the zodiac, THEY ARE CHERUBIM. The zodiac alludes to the coming of Christ. Cherubim reflect the glory of God, the zodiac reflects the glory of God, they are all interconnected, according to God's plan.
The "wheels within wheels" are the terrestrial planets going around in their orbits, "and when the living creatures went", that is, when the constellations of the zodiac went around in the heavens, "the wheels went with them," the planets in their orbits went around with them, "for the living creature was in the wheel", the constellations orbit along a "wheel" as do the planets. As for the "eyes all around", this refers to the Zophim, the Watchers (from the same root as eyes) - and their other celestial counterparts.
The Nephilim
UFO'S And Alien Abduction are Nothing New
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of man. For as they were in the days before the flood...
Just what was going on in the "days before the flood"?
The B'nai Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the B'nai Elohim CAME IN TO the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them -- they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (from the Interlinear Hebrew Bible Genesis 6)
Baalhazor," Lord of the fortresses" provides a connection between Baal and the god of the Antichrist. Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalbamoth= Lord of the high places, Baalzebub= Lord of those who fly, or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place.
Baal is identified as Satan by Jesus himself, Matt.10:25 Mark. 3:22 Luke 11:15.
The Antichrist will honor Satan, called Baal, Lord of Fortresses, Lord of the High Places , Lord of those who quickly fly (in the high places), Prince of the Power of the Air, and obviously Prince of the Power behind flying craft in the high places...ufos.
Incredibly, the Bible explains where Satan currently resides, and connects him with forces in the atmosphere. . . Paul says we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with wicked spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12. Hence Satan is called "the prince of the Power of the air" "the prince of the aerial host" Eph.2:2. The confederation of rebel angels is seated in the atmospheric heaven in the spaces above and around our world. This fundamental of scripture contradicts many traditional concepts of "hell" as the domain of the devil and his minions . King David recognized this fully when he wrote:
For who in the sky (the atmosphere),
shall be ranked with Jehovah,
who among the sons of the mighty
is like Jehovah? Psalm 89:6
While the New Testament uses the Greek word "demon" to refer to these "sons of the mighty", the Old Testament uses revealing descriptive names. Words which describe these beings, such as b'nai Elohim, "sons of God", Zophim, "the watchers", and Malakh, "messengers", (translated angel in English), are used for the "aerial host" often regardless of alignment. New Testament demons were understandably associated with evil, since originally the Greek term diamon meant "any deity", and the Bible consistently portrays only one God. There are three main terms for demons in the New Testament: daimonion (demon; 60 times, 50 in the Gospels); pneuma (spirit; some 52 times) usually with a qualifying adjective such as akatharton (unclean; 21 times) or poneron (evil; 8 times); and angelos (7 times of demonic agencies). Daimon (demon), the term commonly used in classical Greek, appears only once (Mark 8:31) ( Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Walter A. Elwell (Ed))
Scripture explains that Satan and his host of fallen angels rule over this planet, it also details a hierarchy of demonic echelons.
Jesus Christ explained to his apostles what events would immediately precede his second coming, "It shall be exactly as in the days before Noah entered the ark". Matt 24:38 , Luke 17:27. What is the significance of this statement and how does it relate to Ufos? The Flood epic Gen. 6 begins with a strange account of the "sons of God" (b'nai Elohim), taking wives from among the daughters of Adam.
"In those days giants [nephilim] were in the earth, the men of renown of whom ancient tales are told".
The word which is translated, "giants", in the King James version of the Bible is, in Hebrew, "Nephilim", which means, "Those who fell, or ... the fallen ones". Jude, the brother of Jesus describes them as "angels, having left their first estate in heaven". These fallen angels came to earth for a serious purpose.
The "fallen ones" sought to merge with the bloodline of Adam, because of the promise to send a redeemer through Adam's kinsman. The Hebrew says that the Sons of God saw that the women were a fit "extension", for they sought to extend themselves into this realm from the spirit realm, as well as to extend themselves into the "children of the promise" the lineage of Adam. Satan tried to prevent the eventual birth, in the distant future, of the Messiah.
The mating of human beings with angels resulted in hybrid creatures, evil spirits with human bodies. The human \ angel hybrids began to corrupt and destroy the human race, resulting in the Deluge, "the end of all flesh" except Noah and his family.
Scripture uses other names to describe these degraded fallen angels and their descendents in addition to the word Nephilim, they are. . . .
Rephaim - from the root rapha = spirits, shades Gen. 14:5
Anakim - race of giants Num. 13:33 descendents of Nephilim
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Gen. 14:5
Zuzim- the evil ones, roaming things Gen. 14:5
Zamzummims - the evil plotters, Deut. 2:20
Zophim - watchers, angels who descended Num. 23, distinct from "holy watchers" aligned with God
Sepherim - the many. . . .
The book of the Jubilees remarks that Jared or Yeh-red, an Old Testament patriarch, was so called because in his days the angels descended upon the earth - Yaw-rad "descend". It is interesting to note that "Jordan" comes from that same root word denoting "descent, coming down or falling" - Yar-dane "the place of the descent". Jordan, "place of the descent", is located in the ancient boundary of Israel. Israel is currently a major location for sightings, and the fallen angels in disguise as "aliens".
The Book of Enoch explains that the Sons of God descended first onto the mountain called Hermon which in Hebrew means desolation, in the land of Jordan the place of the descent. The rebel angels intended to thwart God's plan for the earth by destroying the descendents of Adam. Satan's goal in organizing the nephilim / human hybridization program was to pollute the bloodline that would produce Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Kinsman Redeemer. Now that it is so close to the end times, satan has orchestrated human/rebel angel interaction on a grand scale. The plan is now to prevent any flesh from being saved.
By gentically manipulating human genetics, whether through the guise of "alien abduction" or by supplying willing mortal accomplices with the proper technology... there is currently being created humanoid hybrids who are not-quite-human. These gentically altered humans are no longer Sons of Adam, and no longer able to be saved by the Kinsman Redeemer. The second wave of hybrid "nephilim creation" is satan's last effort to destroy all Sons of Adam, so that none can be redeemed when Jesus Christ returns at the End of the Age.
2 Thes 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan withall power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness ofunrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, thatthey might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible,they shall deceive the very elect.
We are told that the endtime delusion is so strong that it will deceive the whole earth into accepting the antichrist. This lie of the end times will even fool many who think they are now Christians. This website is intended to counter the End Time Delusion, so that fewer people will be seduced by The Lie when it is allowed to come on the earth in full force.
Mistaken notions about the "Elohim"
Despite what Sitchin and others among the "we are the aliens" ilk claim, the word "Elohim" does not refer to an ancient race of godlike beings who are responsible for the creation of the human race. Elohim refers to the Creator God of many aspects, not to be confused with those He created, the Sons of Elohim. The plural B'nai Elohim were "gods", they were the Sons of God, stewards of God's creation before their rebellion. These "gods", the B'nai Elohim, are mistakenly thought of as one and the same as Elohim, but they are merely created beings, seeking to usurp the glory that only God Himself deserves.
Satan and the B'nai Elohim encourage the mixup, and distort the very name of God, Elohim -- in Hebrew elo=God, and im=the Hebrew masculine plural. Satan has already convinced many (like New Agers, Sitchin, Hoagland etc.) that Elohim describes the angels, the "many gods".
ELOHIM is the name God revealed to Israel which describes His nature, His multiple aspects.
Even though the Bible is full of references to Extraterrestrials, the popular notion that Elijah was taken up in a UFO is false. Significantly, the account of Elijah testing the prophets of Baal delineates the separation between the false gods, the many manifestations of the fallen angels on Earth, and the True God ELOHIM.
Elijah gathered the priests of the "baals" with the people of Israel, and proposed a challenge, a contest between God and gods:
"THIS DAY SHALL THE TRUE ELOHIM BE REVEALED."
1 Kings 18:24 And you shall call on the name of your god; and I
I will call on the name of Jehovah; and it shall be,
the god who answers by fire, he is the God.
18:38 And fire fell from Jehovah and burned up the burnt offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and the water that was in the trench was licked up by it. And all the people saw, and fell on their faces, and said
"Yehovah, He is THE ELOHIM!
Yehovah, He is THE ELOHIM!"
Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel,
the Lord your God, the Lord is one.
Literally translated, Duet 6:4 declares, "Shema Israel, Yehovah Elohim, Yehovah echad!"
I AM Gods, I AM unified.
Clearly, the definition of the name "Elohim" signifies the one God who is the Father and the Son and the Spirit. There is no basis in scripture that "Elohim" means any other god than Yehovah. This is why God is able to declare:
The testimony of two witnesses is true.
I AM that bear witness of myself, and the Father
who sent me bears witness of me. (John 8:17)
The Bible declares "At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall a matter be established".( Num. 35: 30; Deut. 17: 6, Matt. 27: 16). It is also interesting to note, that it is the second person of the Trinity that is especially called "the faithful witness" (Rev. 1:5).
The fact that Elijah himself will take part in the first 3 &1/2 years of the tribulation as one of the witnesses of Rev.11 further demonstrates the prophetic nature of the historic challenge between Baal and God in 1Kings 18. In the end times Satan will counterfeit the miracle of fire falling from heaven to persuade the people of the world that Antichrist is God (Rev 13:13) with the help of the "fiery flying seraphim".
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/noah.html
Paule Walnuts
Angels, An Objective View
by Davy Russell
POSTED: April 98
A poll that was published in TIME magazine showed that 69 percent of people believe in Angels, 46 percent of which believe they have a personal guardian angel. Descriptions of these angels include a wide range of appearances. Some are only lights or a hovering golden halo; while others describe their angel as human, half human, or even animal! Angels are said to descend upon those who are in need of salvation (from evil or hell), or who need direction in life, in pain or suffering physically or emotionally, or to those who need simple things such as directions or a winning lottery ticket. Angelic encounters are sometimes life-changing, but always leave the experience spiritually/physically/emotionally revived, comforted, and less negative. "Rocky" situations in one's life are handled easier and with less stress.
"Angel contactees" usually describe an instance when things are so bad that they go to a solitary place alone (a bedroom, etc...). An angel then appears. Heavenly music and/or joyful music is heard, a warm, tingly light is felt, sometimes invisible arms are felt embracing the person in distress. Communication is usually telepathic, not always in words but emotion (like a transfer of positive energy).
There are numerous other angel stories which involve deceased loved ones visiting those they left behind to reassure the grieving of their well being after death. Or someone will get a vivid image or sudden thought of a close friend or family member minutes before learning about their death. Other stories include lights from familiar sources "forming" into angels (or angelic shapes), a halo suddenly hovering over one's head, or even a mysterious person who saves one's life or helps them out in any way. The "angel" then disappears before being thanked, giving the bewildered a conclusion that they were "touched by an angel". Sometimes angels are not seen but felt. For example, someone may be approaching unseen danger when they are suddenly yanked or pushed out of harm's way by an unseen force. An old wives tale says that when you hear your name called, and you look around to find yourself alone, your guardian angel just saved you from danger or temptation.
Angels or angelic-like beings are mentioned in many other religions including several middle-eastern religions, often as animal spirit guides in native American or pagan cultures. However, the majority of angels are reported by people of Catholic or Christian (Protestant) faiths. This is probably due to the fact that angels are mentioned over 300 times in the Bible.
According to the Christian Bible, angels are workers and messengers of God, who work in Heaven and on Earth. Two distinct angels are named including Gabriel, the messenger angel who gave Mary the news of her divine pregnancy (Luke), and Michael the arch angel. Other Biblical angel encounters include the two men that warned Lot of Sodom and Gomorra’s destruction (Genisis); the multitude who proclaimed the Christ Child's arrival to the shepherds (Luke); the angel who escorted the apostle John in the book of Revelations and defeated Satan; and the angels who comforted Jesus at the garden of Gethsemene on the night before his execution.
The Bible also mentions other types of Angels or heavenly beings called the Seraphim and the Cherubim as described in Ezekiel and Revelations.
Ezekiel 1:5-14 / Revelations 4:6-11
The majority of angels mentioned in the Bible depict wingless beings who take the form of a man. The only exceptions are the Cherubim and the Seraphim mentioned above and only one mention of a winged, female angel in the Old Testament.
Oddly enough, the description of winged women and children angels are found mostly in non-Christian mythology. Cupid, the sprite who makes lovers out of people by shooting them with special arrows, resembles the flying children made popular during the Victorian and Renaissance period.
According to palm-readers, the angel line is found running next to the life line. They can see how influential one's guardian angel is in their life by deciphering the angel line.
Skeptic's Notes
The problem with the majority of alleged angelic encounters is that highly religious people are likely to interpret coincidence as divine intervention; or a mysterious "human" hero as an angel sent from God, when infact, they were just benevolent human beings.
Also, mara-like experiences or dreams could be interpreted as angelic visitations. Maras, OBE's, NDE's, and Alien Abductions all share similar aspects of an angelic encounter. (Read more here.) Some UFO believers (usually the religious ones) think of extraterrestrials as angels (or demons). So called "space brothers/sisters" are supposedly watching over and protecting humankind, and playing a role in evolution of the human race.
In every angelic encounter I have read, the person experiences positive emotions, comfort, and peace. If you take a look at the majority of angel appearances in the Bible, those who came in contact with angels were struck with terror. The first words out of the angel's mouth was always "Fear not!" (See Gabriels visit to Mary, and the shepherds visitation.) Why has the fear or startled reaction to a strange entity suddenly appearing before you ceased?
Also, angels never appeared as animals or halos hovering over peoples heads. The only animal-looking angels were the Cherubim and Seraphim who, according to the Bible, never leave the proximity of God's throne in Heaven. So, why would an angel come all the way from Heaven and choose a person, not necessarily in danger (when so many others are), and make a mysterious apparition which is not understood by the experience? That doesn't make any sense!
And another thing - there are those who charge money to contact your personal guardian angel, describing them and communicating with them. And there are those who channel angels, especially Michael, the Arch Angel. Why is it that one can contact God or a heavenly being through "Bible forbidden" methods such as divination?
Conclusion
I am not attempting to debunk the existence of angels altogether, but I am sure, as with any paranormal report, the majority of eye-witness accounts are lies, hoaxes, or misinterpreted. Whether these are real experiences or not, angelic encounters have a profound effect on many people's lives. And it would appear, according to the media, that angels are a popular belief. So, what do you think? Do you believe in angels? Guardian angels? Or do you think this, along with the UFO phenomena and others, are merely a mass delusion?
Paule Walnuts
Greg Could you tell me why this is a "must read thread" please? Not that I mind. I wish everybody would say that. Is there any requests you have that would further enhance your appreciation of that site? You are more than welcome to come join in and post.
Many people that know me will attest to the fact that I am a much better good guy than I am a bad one ;O)-...At Bible you need not have any fears.
Paule Walnuts
The fact that you are currently backpedaling from a statement containing no other rationale/reason/purpose than that OF a veiled threat proves the original intention of such statement. As well as how limited your scope of imagination truly is.
You still fail to recognize the simple concept of this site. Who comes to a Parking Lot to have meaningful conversation or debate? I understand that in High school, the parking lot is where you skipped school to smoke weed, jam on tunes, and finger “The MAN”. However in this parking lot we don’t go around sucking on things! As clearly indicated insults and ridicule are the weapons we use to expose the ignorance and unsettle the nerves of our adversaries. The fact that I have to explain this to you yet a third time has me believing you are even more of a pathetic moron that I originally gave you credit for.
"Any idiot could do what you call arguing."
That is what I thought. That is, until I met you. Your failure to conceptualize and inability to function within the premise of this arena proved otherwise. You tried! I'll honestly give you that. A Weak pathetic attempt at an offence, but nonetheless an effort was put forth. As I remained true to the forum and delivered offensive blow after blow, you sat and talked about shiny toys and your attention deficit disorder. Do yourself a favor and increase your dosage of Ritalin.
Methods of attack are a personal choice, however why would anyone waste good ammo on such an insignificant target such as yourself. As with your literary style, ‘Off the rack’ was all you’re worthy of. If as you claim you were above this sort of juvenile behavior than as with your buddy null modem you should have kept your mouth shut. Participation in anyway proves otherwise. Keep lying to yourself. As I stated earlier whatever keeps the walls of sanity from crashing around you.
In response to your statement of rising to the level of my competitor, I am still awaiting any form of challenge. Obviously the one clearly 'wanting' was you.
Now if you are interested in real civil, meaningful, honest debate, come on over to that thread your buddy linked. As for the parking lot, you have been crowned so hard you don't even realize it.
Paule Walnuts
Have a good one Pre. Give me a call.I'd like to check out that map Of Alaska.
Paule Walnuts
I'll give you that.
Paule Walnuts
I know ..It's the day after and the suspence is killing me!
Paule Walnuts
I will have to agree with Pre. Like yourself Matt I already have many credits acheived through Highschool,I plan on going as soon as I finish putting my wife through.If not for any other reason than for myself.
Besides I want to take a crack at those liberal brainwashing professors.
Paule Walnuts
BOP how about all four versions of House of the Rising Sun?
Paule Walnuts
This is how Pre did it...
http://www.mancow.com/ra/bearfigt.mpg
Paule Walnuts
That would be the 1860's and 70's ar ar ar
Paule Walnuts
BOP I can play them. Keep em coming. I enjoy good classical. Beethoven, Genius or Mozart pretender?
Paule Walnuts
Don't forget your swimwear!
Paule Walnuts
Hello Carolyn. How was your fourth? I have 218 message to read here.Get a little alchohol in you guys and wow!
Paule Walnuts
Plucked Chicken...YOU LOOSE MAN! It was that easy.
No matter how veiled, death threats are instant disqualification. Is there any reason why I might not live another 12 years?Are you going to have a part in this early demise? I will give you this, my first victim threatened violence after my first verbal barrage. At least you hung around for awhile.
As for the Corner Bar...You just don't get it do you?You knowing fully well that I refuse to act anything other than a gentleman at Carolyn’s bar, I present you with an easy target. I'll keep on being Mr.Cordial and you keep on taking underhanded spineless potshots at me. What more does one expect from a stalking coward? You lack class tack or any form of social graces for that matter. And once again you fall short in your ability of perception, if you think it bothers me that my friends are taking a liking to you.
I did welcome you in buy you a few drinks and put in a few good words about you after your very first post. After that your way was paved. At least one of us has the ability to differentiate between the different concepts among these threads and behave appropriately.I do think it's funny that It has been almost two days since I have posted and you are still taking those shots at me. Good show chap!
Seemingly you of all people should have been able to understand the concept of "ROLL PLAYING". The years of Dungeons and Dragons with your little friends should have prepared you for this enormous challenge. And just like you did in the bar, break out that witty retort about assuming. You can you sit there thinking its funny and cool to be called an ass. I’ll sit there and agree that you are. And a big one at that! One liners from television is all anyone deserves if they think its cool to act like a slimy green lizard man from a book of fiction as a way to introduce themselves to a group of people sitting around a bar. Again you display the low limits of your intellectual prowess and your inability in social settings..
I did notice how you shamelessly spam your web site of roll playing board games here at IHub every time you post. I wonder if IHUBS sponsors like paying for the advertising you’re stealing on a daily basis. I should have realized however that you do fit the criminal profile quite well. Right down to the sloping forehead and wide jaw suitable for grains and small rodents. The recent stalking and threats of death are just further testimony to that fact.
Paule Walnuts
Did someone say cards?
Don't be giving us your tell signals now. I wouldn’t want to shuffle loose all your money too quickly now ;O) Do you play cribbage?
I live in beautiful green Oregon. I plan one day on going down to Florida for a gator hunt.
Paule Walnuts
Actually this vagabond just folowed me in here. The only person who roasts my walnuts is my wife! LOL
Paule Walnuts
Hey poltroon, you are depriving a village of its idiot. Please go home.
Paule Walnuts
Bwaaa haaaaaaawww haawww.. The only feeble attempt here is the one by you trying to use religion to shame me onto the defensive. Clearly if this is the extent of your offence you came to the wrong Parking Lot!
I must have found some soft spot. Stalking me around IHUB and insulting my friends trying to call me out. Could you be anymore impatient of a fool? The desire for me to continue to pummel you with insults should be admired by sadists everywhere. How obtuse can one person really be?
Now let me explain this for the lowbrow out there. The Corner Bar is where you go have a drink and hopefully an intellectually stimulating conversation. Joking about spraying hormonal fluids all over the walls is about as idiotic as any 41-year-old adult could possibly be. Talk about vapid Mewling. Were you dropped on your head as a child or something?
Speaking of your all of the sudden increased usage of obscure words. BWAAAA ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you are unimaginative and dimwitted. Try again grasshopper.
Paule Walnuts
SOOOOOOOO. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SPIRITS OF THE GIANTS WHEN THEY DIED????
Did they go to heaven?
Did they go to sheol?
Could they be saved by entering into the covenant?
Did they just vanish?
Were they the ones held in chains?
Were they the ones Christ preached to in hell at his death?
Or, perhaps something else???
Paule Walnuts
GIANTS CONTINUED....
It was the purpose of Satan and his fallen angels to corrupt the human race and thereby do away with pure Adamite stock through whom the seed of the woman should come. This would advert their own doom and make it possible for Satan and his kingdom to keep control of the planet earth indefinitely. It was said to Adam and Eve that the seed of the woman should defeat Satan and restore man's dominion (Gen. 3:15). The only way then, for Satan to avoid this predicted defeat was to corrupt the pure Adamite line so that the coming of the seed of the woman into the world would be made impossible. This, he tried to accomplish by sending some of his fallen angels to marry the daughters of men as in Gen. 6:1-4, and producing the giant nations through them.
There are two such eruptions of fallen angels taught in Gen. 6:4; There were giants in the earth in those days (before the flood); and also after that (after the flood), when the sons of God (fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men (any daughters of men - Cain, Seth and others), and they bare children to them (to the angels).
Satan almost succeeded in his plan during the first eruption, "for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth." and of all the multitudes Noah and his sons were the only pure Adamites left to be preserved by the ark (Gen. 6:8-13; 1Pet. 3:19-20). The main object of the flood was to do away with all this satanic corruption, destroy the giants, and preserve the pure Adamite stock so as to make good the guarantee of the coming of the seed of the woman, as in the plan of God.
Being defeated before the flood did not stop Satan from making a futher attempt to prevent the coming of the Redeemer who should be his final downfall. It was now to his advantage that God had promised never to send another universal flood upon the earth. Satan therefore reasoned that he should make a second attempt to do away with Adamite stock. If he came within "eight souls" of doing it before the flood, his opportunities were now even greater, with the promise that there would be no such flood. This is the reason for the second group of his fallen angels being sent to marry the daughters of men. Once again, the unions produced giants, and races of them occupied the land of promise, where the seed should be born, in advance of Abraham. Limited by His promise of no flood, God was then faced with the problem of destroying the giant races another way.
This explains why He commanded Israel to kill them everyone, even to the last man, woman and child. This again explains why He destroyed all the men, women and children besides Noah and his family, at the time of the flood. It also answers the skeptics question regarding why the children were taken away with the adults in the flood. God had to do away with this corruption entirely in order to fulfill His eternal plan and give the world its promised Redeemer. The Redeemer has come now, and so Satan is reserving his forces for a last stand at the 2nd coming of Christ.
Thus it is clear from Scripture that there were giants in the earth both before and after the flood and that they came from a union of fallen angels and the daughters of men.
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About The Author -ref: Pioneers Of Faith by Dr. Lester Sumrall
Born in 1902, Finis Jennings Dake was born again and baptized in water at seventeen. Until then, he had rejected Christianity because of what he thought were the hypocritical attitudes of the Christians he knew. However, he finally met some Christians who lived what they preached. Then he chose to surrender his life to the Lord.
He continued to cry out for a closer walk with God after being born again. Three months later, in May, 1920, Dake received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He described this as a "cool and rushing wind" flowing over his body and said it seemed that he could hear the fluttering of the wings of a dove.
Immediately, Dake said that he became aware of an ability he did not previously possess. He could quote Scripture verses by the hundreds, although he had read little of the Bible up to that time. This was a definite gift from God, as his wife testified to his poor memory in other matters!
In college, Dake made a vow to God that he would never teach one thing in private or in public that he could not prove by the Bible. He also vowed never to change what the Scripture says.
One night at a church in South Bend, to everyones amazement, he began to quote verbatim the entire book of Revelation from memory. With the congregation following line by line, they were amazed as he went straight through the entire book. At one point he smiled at the people and said, "Would you also like the punctuation?"
Dake authored several books, tracts, and pamphlets, although he is best known for his Dakes Annotated Reference Bible, first published in 1960. Together with his wife Dorothy, the notes for this Bible were compiled and edited over a seventeen year period.
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Giants and the sons of God
a study from:
Dakes Annotated Reference Bible
by: Dr. Finis Jennings Dake (1902-1987)
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen. 6:4 (KJV)
Proofs giants were sons of angels
1. The fact that giants or beings of abnormal size in body, have lived on earth is one of the most clearly stated truths in Scripture. The Heb. nephilim from nephil means giant, bully, or tyrant (Gen. 6:4; Num. 13:33). That they were abnormal in bodily size is clear from the fact that men of Israel were as grasshoppers in size compared to them (Num. 13:33). The Heb. gibbor is also trans. giant, meaning powerful, giant, mighty, or strong man (Num. 13:33; Job 16:14). To say that these original words refer to degree of wickedness instead of size in body, is a mistake.
The Anakims were a people great and tall in body (Dt. 1:28; 2:10-11,21; 9:2; Josh. 11:21-22; 14:12-14). Anak himself was of the giants; and if he and all Anakims were so big, we can be assured the other giants were also (Num. 13:22,33). The land of Ammon was a land of giants, for giants dwelled there in old time (Dt. 2:19-20). The Emims were also great, many, and tall as the Anakims (Dt. 2:10-11). Zamzummims were called giants, a people great, many, and tall as the Anakims. They dwelled in the land of Ammon from of old (Dt. 2:19-21). Og, king of Bashan, is described as a giant whose bedstead was of iron and about 18 ft. 6 in. long and 8 ft. 4 in. wide. This is not a measurement of wickedness, but of a material bed for a giant body measuring not too far from 18 ft. tall (Dt. 3:11; Josh. 12:4; 13:12). Bashan is called the land of the giants (Dt. 3:13).
A valley of the giants is mentioned in Josh. 15:8; 18:16. This is the same as the valley of Rephaim, the name of another branch of the giant races so often mentioned in Scripture (Gen. 14:5; 15:20; 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13; 1Chr. 11:15; 14:9; Isa. 17:5). The Rephaims were well known giants, but unfortunately, instead of retaining their proper name in Scripture, the translators translated it dead (Job 26:5; Ps. 88:10; Pr. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16; Isa. 14:8; 26:19); and deceased (Isa. 26:14). The word should have been retained as a proper name in all these places, as it is 10 times otherwise.
Rephaim is trans. giant (2Sam. 21:16; 18, 20, 22; 1Chr. 20:4, 6, 8) and giants (Dt. 2:11, 20; 3:11, 13; Josh. 12:4; 13:12; 15:8; 18:16). The phrase remnant of the giants in Dt. 3:11; Josh. 12:4; 13:12 should be remnant of the Rephaims, for there were many nations of giants other than the Rephaims who filled the whole country trying to contest God's claim on the promised land. They are listed as: Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaims, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites, Jebusites, Hivites, Anakims, Emims, Horims, Avims, Zamzummims, Caphtorims, and Nephilim (Gen. 6:4; 14:5-6; 15:19-21; Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23; Dt. 2:10-12, 20-23; 3:11-13; 7:1; 20:17; Josh. 12:4-8; 13:3; 15:8; 17:15; 18:16). Og was of the remnant of Rephaims, not the remnant of all other giant nations (Dt. 3:11; Josh. 12:4; 13:12).
All these giant nations came from a union of the sons of God (fallen angels) and daughters of men after the flood. Beings of great stature, some of them even had 6 fingers on each hand and 6 toes on each foot and carried spears weighing from 10 to 25 lbs. (2Sam. 21:16-22; 1Chr. 20:4-8). Goliath whom David slew, wore a coat of armour weighing 196 lbs. and was about 13 ft. tall (1Sam. 17:4-6).
The Revelation we have of giants, in Scripture, gives us a true picture of what Greek mythology tries in vain to give. Ours is an accurate account because divinely inspired. Mythology is the outgrowth of traditions, memories, and legends telling of the acts of the supernatural fathers and their giant offspring - the perversion and corruption in transmission of actual facts concerning these mighty beings. The fact that giants were partly of supernatural origin made it easy to regard them as gods.
2. The fact that the Rephaim have no resurrection (Isa. 26:14) proves the reality of giants and that they were not ordinary men. All ordinary men are to be resurrected (Jn. 5:28-29); therefore, giants must be a different class from pure Adamites. Isaiah makes it clear that the dead (Heb. Rephaim) are now in hell (Isa. 14:9). Solomon confirms the same in Pr. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16 where the word dead is Rephaim in the Hebrew Bible.
3. The fact that giants came only from a union of sons of God and daughters of men proves that their fathers were not ordinary men of the Adamite stock. No such monstrosities have been nor can be produced from a union of any ordinary men and women, regardless of how righteous the father is or how wicked the mother is. Many converted men who are sons of God in the sense of adoption and righteousness through Christ, have been married to unconverted women, and no such offspring the size of Bible giants has ever resulted from these unions. If, as some teach, giants were born of such unions both before and after the flood, then why do not such marriages produce that kind of offspring today? Why did this happen in every case then and in no case today?
4. God's law of reproduction from the beginning has been everything after his own kind. It was not possible then, that giants could be produced by men and women (Gen. 1:11-12, 21, 24-25; 8:19) of ordinary size. It took the supernatural element, the purpose and power of Satan and his angels to make offspring of such extra size within the human species. After the variation of the species, which had to do with size only, and when giants had come into being, they then produced others of like size instead of ordinary sized men (Num. 13:33; 2Sam. 21:16, 18, 20, 22; 1Chr. 20:4-8).
5. Not only is it unscriptual but unhistorical to teach that giants came from the union of ordinary men and women. The great question has been: Where did giants get their start? Gen. 6:4 makes it clear - from a union of the sons of God and daughters of men. If the sons of God were ordinary men in the same sense that the daughters of men were ordinary women, then we must conclude 4 things:
(1) That ungodly women have the power to produce such monsters if married to godly men. Or,
(2) That godly men have the power to produce giants when married to ungodly women.
(3) That a mixture of godliness and wickedness produces giants.
(4) That extreme wickedness on the part of either parent will produce giant offspring.
All 4 conclusions are wrong however, as proved every day by the marriages of unconverted persons with the converted and the producing of offspring through the union of a wicked parent and a godly one. Thus, the theory that giants came from the marriage of Seth's sons with Cain's daughters is disproved.
6. The sons of God could not have been the sons of Seth or other godly men for the following 7 reasons:
(1) There were no men godly enough to be saved during the Antediluvian Age except Abel (Gen. 4:4; Heb. 11:4), Enoch (Gen. 5:21-24; Heb. 11:5), and Noah (Gen. 6:8; 7:1; Heb. 11:7), as far as Scripture records are concerned. Shall we conclude that these 3 men were the sons of God who married the daughters of Cain and produced races of giants in the earth in those days before the flood (Gen. 6:4)? We have no record of any such marriage or offspring of Abel before he was murdered. Regarding Enoch , are we to believe that Methuselah and his other children were the giants? Are we to believe that Noah's 3 sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth were giants? If so, where is our authority for this? Had this been true, there would had been nothing on earth after the flood but giants born of Noah's giant sons, for by his children the whole earth was then replenished (Gen. 10:1-32). That would cause another unsolved mystery - how giants became ordinary sized men again.
(2) The time of the marriages of the sons of God disproves the theory that they were the sons of Seth. Marriage of Seth's sons could not have taken place during the first 325 years, for he had only one son of marriageable age up to that time (Gen. 5:1-8) and he (Enos) was not godly. To say that there were no such marriages before Enos would contradict Gen. 6:1-2 which shows that sons of God married daughters of men which such daughters began to be born. Shall we conclude that daughters were not born in the first 325 years? If so, then where did Cain, Seth and others get their wives?
Futhermore, such marriages between godly sons and ungodly daughters could not have been during the last 600 years before the flood, because Noah was the only son of God by righteousness during this time (Gen. 6:8-9; 7:1; 2Pet. 2:4-5). His sons were preserved in the ark because of being pure Adamite stock and not because of personal righteousness. The foregoing facts then, would limit these marriages to the 731 years between the first 325 years and the last 600 of the Antediluvian Age; whereas, sons of God actually married daughters of men throughout the entire 1,656 years of that age. Gen. 6:1-2 makes it clear that this happened "when men began to multiply on the face of the earth".
(3) Gen. 6:4 teaches that there were giants on the earth in those days (before the flood), and also after that (after those days which were after the flood) as a result of the sons of God marrying the daughters of men. If, as is taught, the sons of God were the sons of Seth, we can account for them after that (after the flood), for the line of Seth was continued through Noah. But, with the daughters of Cain (suppose to be the daughters of men), the story is different. Cain's line perished in the flood, both men and women, which means there were no daughters of Cain after the flood, for sons of God to marry.
(4) The Bible gives us no reason to believe that the statement "the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair" should be limited to Cain's daughters. Other families had daughters too, thousands of families which made up the many branches of the race both before and after the flood. These were daughters of men, too. In the 1,656 years before the flood (which is the period in which Seth and Cain lived), there must have been from 150,000,000 to 500,000,000 people. It is unbelievable that so many as half of these were godly and half ungodly; and we know that they were not limited to two lines - the line of Seth and the line of Cain. Regarding Seth's daughters we have reason to believe that they were as fair as the daughters of Cain - beautiful enough to attract men as husbands for themselves. The line of Seth alone survived the flood, so we know this is true. Gen. 6:1-2 therefore, cannot be said to refer only to the daughters of Cain; and the term daughters of men cannot be limited to mean only the daughters of Cain.
(5) The very expressions, sons of God and daughters of men, indicate two different kinds - one the product of God, the other the product of man. Seth was not God, so why call the sons of God the sons of Seth?
(6) It is a matter of record that Seth's children were as ungodly as Cain's.
(7) With the exception of Noah and his family all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth, before the flood (Gen. 6:12), which means the entire race (besides Noah's family) had become a mixture of fallen angels and men, or giants. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam; and this is really why they were saved in the ark. They were the only ones capable of giving the race a new clean start after the flood. It is said of Noah that he was just a man and perfect in his generations (Gen. 6:9). The word for perfect in the Heb. is tamim, which means without blemish. It is the technical word for bodily perfection, and not moral perfection. Hence, it is used of the sacrificial animals of the O.T. which had to be of pure stock and without blemish (Ex. 12:5; 29:1; Lev.1:3; 3:1-6; 4:3, 23-32; 5:15-18; 6:6; 9:2-3; Ezek. 43:22-25; 45:18-23); without spot (Num. 19:2; 28:3-11; 29:17, 26); and undefiled (Ps. 119:1). The use of this word in connection with Noah means that he and his sons were the only pure Adamites left, and for such purity they (regardless of the sons' position in personal holiness) were all preserved in the ark.
Proofs the sons of God were angels
Since it cannot possibly be that the sons of God who married the daughters of men and produced giants by them, were the sons of Seth or godly men marrying ungodly women, then it must be that the sons of Gen. 6, were fallen angels. That this is true is clear from many scriptures, as follows:
(1) The expression sons of God is found only 5 times in the O.T. and every time it is used of angels (Gen. 6:1-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). It is indisputable that the passages in Job refer to angels. Dan. 3:25, 28 calls an angel the son of God. Is it not possible then, that the sons of God of Gen. 6 could be angels?
(2) Some translations, as the Septuagint, Moffat, and others read, angels of God in Gen. 6:1-4, which is the only idea that will harmonize with facts in the passage itself, as well as many other passages.
(3) Josephus says,
"many angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of their own strength... these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians called giants" (Ant. Book I, ch. 3).
Again, he says,
"There was till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day" (Ant. Book V, ch. 2).
(4) The Ante-Nicene Fathers also refer to angels as falling
"into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh.... Of these lovers of virgins, therefore, were begotten those who are called giants"
(Vol. 2, p. 142; Vol. 8, p. 85, 273).
Justyn Martyr, 110-165 A.D., says,
"But the angels transgressed... were captivated by love of women, and begat children" (Vol. 2, p. 190).
Methodius, 260-312 A.D., says,
"the devil was insolent .... as also those (angels) who were enamoured of fleshly charms, and had illicit intercourse with the daughters of men"
(Vol. 6, p. 370).
(5) Both testaments of the Bible teach that some angels committed sex sins and lived contrary to nature. Gen. 6:1-4 gives the history of such sinning. In 2Pet. 2:4-5 we have the statement that angels did sin before the flood and for their sin were cast down to hell to be reserved until judgement. This passage does not reveal that the sin was fornication, but Jude 1:6-7 does, saying:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (as did the angels) , giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 1:6-7 (KJV)
If Sodom, Gomorrha and other cities lived contrary to nature and committed fornication, as the angels did, then it is clear that the sin of angels was that of fornication. According to Gen. 6 this sex sin was committed with "daughters of men."
(6) The one scripture used to teach that angels are sexless, which is Mt. 22:30, does not say that they are. It states that:
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Mt. 22:30 (KJV)
The purpose of this verse is to show that men and women who have part in the resurrection do not marry, nor do they need to, in order to keep their kind in existence. In the resurrected state they live forever, but not as sexless beings. The Bible teaches that every person will continue bodily as he was born, in all eternity. Paul said that everyone will have his own body in the resurrection (1Cor. 15:35-38). If one is a male he will continue as such with all his bodily parts. If one is a female in this life she will be resurrected as such even though her body is changed from mortality to immortality, and is called a spiritual body (1Cor. 15:35-54). There is nothing in the resurrection to uncreate men and women. Christ remained a man after His resurrection and so will all other males.
Throughout Scripture, angels are spoken of as men. No female angels are on record. It is logical to say then, that the female was created specifically for the human race in order that it could be kept in existence; and that all angels were created males, inasmuch as their kind is kept in existence without the reproduction process. Angels were created innumerable to start with (Heb. 12:22) whereas, the human multitudes began with one pair, Adam and Eve who were commanded to reproduce and thereby make the multitudes. That angels have tangible spirit bodies with bodily parts, appear as men, and have performed acts equal to and surpassing those of the human male, is clear from many passages.
The fact that some angels "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation," as stated in Jude 1:6 to commit sin makes it somewhat understandable how a sex sin could be accomplished by them. The Gr. for habitation is oiketerion. It is used only twice in the Scripture, and then concerning the bodies of men being changed to spiritual bodies (2Cor. 5:2), and the angels having a bodily change, or at least a lowering of themselves in some way (Jude 1:6-7). This, in the N.T. helps explain the history of the O.T. concerning the angels living contrary to their nature and producing giants "when the sons of God (angels) came in unto (had relationship with) the daughters of men" as Gen. 6:4 says and other passages confirm.
(7) There are 2 classes of fallen angels - those loose with Satan who will be cast down to earth during the future tribulation (Rev. 12:7-12), and those who are now bound in hell for committing what the Bible calls fornication (2Pet. 2:4; Jude 1:6-7). Had the ones in hell not committed the additional sin of fornication, they would still be loose, with the others, to help Satan in the future. Their present confinement proves they committed a sin besides that of original rebellion with Satan. That it was sex sin is clear from 2Pet. 2:4 and Jude 1:6-7, which fact identifies this class of fallen angels as the sons of God of Gen. 6:1-4.
(8) In 1Pet. 3:19-20 we see that Christ "went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing" . Who are these spirits in prison, if not the confined angels who once lived contrary to their nature - in sin with the daughters of men (Gen. 6:1-4)? We read "Who maketh his angels spirits"(Ps. 104:4; Heb. 1:13-14). If angels are spirits, we can then conclude that the imprisoned ones Christ preached to were angels and the sons of God referred to in Gen. 6, especially since they "were disobedient ... in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing." The very purpose of Noah's flood was to destroy the giant offspring of these angels known as the sons of God who "came in unto the daughters of men."
The purpose of Satan in producing giants
It was the purpose of Satan and his fallen angels to corrupt the human race and thereby do away with pure Adamite stock through whom the seed of the woman should come. This would advert their own doom and make it possible for Satan and his kingdom to keep control of the planet earth indefinitely. It was said to Adam and Eve that the seed of the woman should defeat Satan and restore man's dominion (Gen. 3:15). The only way then, for Satan to avoid this predicted defeat was to corrupt the pure Adamite line so that the coming of the seed of the woman into the world would be made impossible
Paule Walnuts
Thanks Matt and yes very good.
Paule Walnuts
Still shaking that testosterone stick...give him a few more drinks will ya. lol
Paule Walnuts
I'll have to agree with Golem here. I never could understand why anyone would pay for a free service.
Paule Walnuts
Hello SeaHag! Carolyn has it all. This classy lady is never without! Welcome to the bar belly on up and enjoy that tea!
Where are you from?
Paule Walnuts
BTW you’re looking exceptionally good today! How are things?
Paule Walnuts
Hello Bird of Prey. First this is no place to fight and I will have no part of insult slinging in Carolyn’s establishment. I would expect someone who has put on display a solid character such as yourself, would not have to be reminded as how to behave in anothers house(chat site).
If you would like lets have a few drinks together? I’ll buy and then later when I have a few extra moments I will go back to the parking lot and pick up where we left of yesterday. As I'm sure Pre will attest to I love to fight and will argue for months just for shits and giggles so you have no need to stalk me throughout Ihub.
Carolyn I apologize for my friend’s behavior. I'll try and teach him the difference between the different threads and reality. People really need to divorce themselves from their Internet persona once and awhile. Quit taking everything so personal.
Paule Walnuts
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Buy Chrls a drink will ya. lol
Paule Walnuts
Barrel of Blubber this is what the Parking lot was designed for.
"He takes forever and comes up with grade school taunts"
And the masses still showing up every day writing ten page posts telling IHUB how to manage their website while bragging about how they are suing everybody that tweeks their nipples wrong, are the intellectual authorities of the Internet chat rooms….
"I expected much more from KING OF THE PARKING LOT."
Well I already have you whining to anybody that will listen about how I'm picking on you. I suspect in a few more posts you will be foaming at the mouth so hard animal control might decide to haul your ass in.
Tuck your tail and run boy. Your incessant crying is starting to make me ill.
Paule Walnuts
Ah yes Mr. Who’s who himself. How many people you going to sue this week? I am so glad you could grace us with your well written and extremely humble opinion of what people do with a little extra free time.
Go pull the stick out of your ass will ya.
Paule Walnuts
Well you do know what they say about people with short attention spans don't you?...something something Lack of intelligence something...
Speaking of intelligence the 41-year-old child speaks of lesser intellect while he sits and plays Dungeons and Dragons with his little friends’ ages 10-to adult. The beer belly overhanging his 'Big Man' denim jeans as the years of candy and donut holes combined with the extreme lack of exercise have taken toll on his figure. Playing his favorite game War hammer, fantasies of saving the princess with his big 100-ton mechanical war machine run feverishly through his diminutive brain. An O so Obvious phallic symbol, as the food he eats substitutes for the lack of female contact. Pocket protectors and Cheesy Puff stained fingers ensure his continued loneliness.
The parking lot is no good for you. Go back to your board games, as the fantasies they contain are your only solace for living. Here you will only continue to receive the shame and ridicule your life’s aspiration has offered you. Now be gone insolent one! Your head has dented my scepter and your blood has stained my boots.
BTW 7-11 is having a sale on chilidogs and coke. Better run out quick so you wont be late for your gaming convention.
Paule Walnuts
My oh my oh my...Poor sap doesn't even realize when he has been beaten about the head and shoulders with my iron gauntlet...
"So, when you gonna quit with the threats already and get down to bidnez?"
The rapid deterioration in his grammar is proof of the vicious assault.
Clearly when it became his turn to step up and retort. He does so by bragging about his..Ahem.... shiny little toy.
"BTW, I brought my nutcracker."
This leads me to ask if this is the same shiny nutcracker that his mommy gave him in high school? The same nutcracker that he sits with every Saturday night cracking walnuts, while obsessing about the wedgies and toilet swirls he used to receive from all the girl bullies. (cause the boy bullies wouldn’t waste their time) Never having the ...nuts.. to try and stop it, but always running home to cry on mommies shoulder.
Sadly I will wonder if he will ever get the hidden message behind his sweet sweet mothers thoughtful gift? Unfortunately the barrels of cracked nuts In his backyard are testimony otherwise.......
Paule Walnuts
When do you think we will confirm this trip 100%? And..Do you use frequent flyer miles or wait till the last minute and then buy? You know me, always looking for a deal and everything is negotiable. The less I spend on tickets the more I spend on staying a few days extra or that extra tag...It's also called youthful exuberance.
Paule Walnuts
Just say no to AT@T...I will not do business with them either. I am currently waiting for my satellite provider to settle court case. Then I too will hook-up with the dsl for the puter.
Paule Walnuts
I found some airline tickets round trip to Anchorage for $309.
Paule Walnuts
Oh tempestuous one! The only violence today will be the swift brutal destruction of your self-esteem while I bash you about the head with wit and witticism! As the reality in which you grasp is torn away and your world comes crashing down, screams of mercy soon will replace that impudent, arrogant tongue. Although you beg no clemency will be granted.
Like a knife through butter, or a scythe sweeping through the grass, Or to say it like I will hear you say it yourself…
“Big Bad Paule Just kicked Some Ass!”
Recovering from the uncanny carnage unleashed upon your very soul. Be prepared o Jester of fools, for many haunting years of tormenting psychosis as you try rebuilding that tattered libido from the pile of rubble it was reduced to! May God have mercy, for I will have none!
Paule@IhavethebiggestWalnuts/Kingsize.com
Actually No I have not. Here is the overview for everybody else here...
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Interesting site. I will give it a look-see and share my thoughts when I am finished.
I see one thing right off that has raised a flag and that is intercessory prayers. Romans 8 26:28 When we try to intercede are we doing Gods will, or begging for our will to be done over His???? Moreover I believe that only one person may intercede on our behalf has already done so...Prophesied in Isa 53:12 Spoken to man in Jn 17:1-26 fulfilled on the cross and then taught to others in Rom 8 and Heb 7:23-25
There are several other vs. warning about intercessory prayer and accepting the demons of the people praying for you.....Are the people praying for you on your prayer chains the Wheat of Gods fields or the Tears he wants weeded out?
Any thoughts?
Paule Walnuts