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Imagining probably unneeded, just accurate pinpoint measurement of temp as water crosses some plane defined as the edge between chambers.
As I attempted to indicate, the need for some "fancy" instrument is very, very, very difficult to comprehend given the mandate Wanderport gave to Intertek (if the PR was stating it truthfully - too bad I feel the need to make such "if" qualifications but I do given the PR history).
Simple instrumentation is all that is needed for the mandate.
This is not design/engineer time.
The overall temp and energy in, temp out plus rate of flow is all that is needed to demonstrate efficiency, and doing these tests with the differently configured magnetrons allows analysis of scalability. If efficiency needed to be measured highly accurately then an analysis of the water would be needed to determine its heat capacity due to its dissolved solids, etc. but that is ridiculous as efficiency as experienced in the field, in peoples' homes is what the simple technique would give.
Agree, it was mismanagement. I was just pointing out bad budgeting had as much to do with it as did missing their PR production guidance. It looks like, even if they had hit their guidance their planned cap ex was too high (i.e. terrible cost of production).
Some year plus ago when they were doing placements I was vocal on here that they should stretch the funds spent on TPW by trying to prove up the shallow resource as it would have lower cost to develop (i.e. more easily be shown to be economic) and it could show that there was a ladder to the deeper levels (i.e. earn on the way down) and as the deep deposit type (distributed small vein echelons) was not likely to prove up a whole lot without a prohibitive number of holes.
Well, looks like we are there now. Possibly not because it makes sense but because CD realizes it is no longer possible to gamble on expensive long drills. If it would be possible to get some management that could figure how to generate interest and get the shareprice moving I doubt anyone on this board would be against that at this point. But is that realistic? Is that possible? I am doubtful that a skilled talking head or good financier could do a whole lot unless there are some good results to be shown.
Now that is Golden
What a shame that Andrew is the only one left to cheer for himself and WDRP.
ROFLMFAO.
POM POM RAH RAH Andrew!!!
It sounds like you are referring to one of my posts. I was trying to cut Wanderport the benefit of all possible doubts, stretching my brain around how a company like Intertek could need a piece of equipment they did not have but needed to test the MCMHU. I was not, and do not, think that there is any possibility of discovery of some hidden energy etc. such as your post hints might be involved.
As I understand Intertek was hired to test the existing unit in a mode where the magnetron firing is manually set, then change the configuration/setting and test some more. The manual configuration was indicated in PR, apparently due to the failure of the unit to correctly control the firing of the magnetrons.
The point of the testing was in later PR said to be to show the near linear scalability in heating capability, i.e. with one magnetron so much electrical energy in gives so many degree-gallons out, two magnetrons firing using twice the electrical energy gives twice the degree-gallons out, etc.
If that is the case, then as a number here have observed only fairly simple test apparatus is needed. What I was doing in trying to cut some slack was considering what if they were being required to measure the temperature rise in each cavity of the multi-cavity unit. Now mind you, that would not be needed to test for efficiency and for scalability as the configuration of how many magnetrons fire is changed. All the same, what if they were supposed to measure the per cavity temperature rise? They would have to somehow have a temperature measurement within the multi-cavity volume between cavity 1 and 2, between 2 and 3, etc. But the internal volume of the cavities are exposed to microwaves, and we all know what happens when you put something metal in that environment.
Now, why would they be required to make that measurement? Well, it would definitely slow things down. The measurement would be unneeded for showing the overall efficiency of the MCMHU and its scalability. The measurement would be useful at a design and engineering level, adjusting cavity design, but Wanderport is supposed to be past that. So, I could imagine them needing to devise some non-intrusive means to measure temperatures within the cavities, some focused infrared sensing or such, which indeed may be not readily available, because of a Wanderport imposed requirement, but one not related to just testing efficiency and scalability. Those measurements are not needed for the mandate the PRs have presented or the stage this thing is supposed to be at, and those measurements certainly would not be finding any hidden or unexpected excess energy to account for magically extraordinary performance.
Exactly PB, just exactly the situation.
(PS of course LSG mgmt did sort of goof up with the balance sheet projecting cap ex and cash flows too)
Most here likely all hope you are right on both of those counts
Design 1 finished the product
Intertek will finish the testing
End of February is more than adequate
Pretty difficult to see through to a reasonable scenario, or two, that accounts for what you have, imo, correctly summed up.
The one's that rationally fit the events and info provided slowly more on this board are willing to consider but I still do not directly voice.
Of course, since there are 4 chambers, the measuring equipment could possibly need to be present in multiples of what you outlined, but all the items are pretty simple off the shelf stuff - unless they want measurements taken inside the chambers where microwave irradiation would be a complication. However, doing that would be for design optimization. These tests are to confirm efficiency and its scalability. For that entry and exit parameters suffice taken with energy input.
Your ballparked timeframe seems adequate to task, in fact generous.
We will see. However, the skeptic in me is saying been there, done that, a few times. We will see.
the same things are talked about every day
and it seems as if that comment has been seen once or twice a day
The comment is of course welcome, as what else is there to say ?
That actually sounds like a great idea. It would be so nice getting back at least to those days when the pps traveled fairly slowly over hills and valleys 0.01 or even 0.008 up to 0.013, 0.016 with the occasional ascent to 0.03ish. That somewhat predictable rollercoaster was working for me
Now iirc that was before they claimed to have anything more than an idea and intellectual property that they were working on, so if they do as you say perhaps it also should be very early stage and conceptual.
I hear you. There comes a point when one just has to recover something of value, somehow.
So now they need the "right specs" first. What's next?
lol Preobably discovering they had not agreed upon a common language to use for exchanging the specs
then discovering Intertek has no one on staff sufficiently skilled in the selected language in order to faithfully render the specs into a test plan
then discovering that the green card process needs to be followed as there are no unemployed technically savy people with skills in the seleted language
then . . .
and here I thought you were the one against trying to pick at meanings of words . . . the mandate is pretty clear, three things, no need to interpret or attempt to inject meaning . . . Wanderport is paying for Wanderport to receive Intertek's interpretation of Intertek's analysis of Intertek's testing
Intertek is not going to publish any results.
Iterteck was hired to run tests, do an analysis of the test data, and provide to Wanderport their interpretation of the analysis.
If and when anything resulting from the Intertek work is made public it will be done by Wanderport, filtered and selected by Wanderport from what verbage and/or test information gets provided to Wanderport by Intertek.
There was some mention of PRs ?
All the same, go back to the PRs that lead up to and then the one announcing that Robert had agreed to let the company seek outside assistance in order to accelerate the pace of the "final stages" of development, and use a little between the lines common sense.
If no one reminded them they would convince themselves it does not matter.
Design 1 was hired because of the dissatisfaction at the pace of progress under Robert's "keep it secret" do it all approach.
I do not see how things have been any different at any point in the history of this company.
They need expectations laid plainly out before them.
There needs to be something tangible provided to support belief that there is potential for something that can be marketed.
Only that will help to restore trust in the company.
Only that will support the pps.
They have run out of alternatives, hand-waving no longer works.
It sounds like the equipment wouldn't be the holdup, but the scheduling of everyone involved to be able to come to an agreement. Can't see that taking weeks though, but it has.
Indeed. I couldn't believe the excuse when FB'd . . . Intertek failed to plan correctly and could not source a piece of equipment ? Really ? And yet Robert was able to run the tests in-house ?
Unless I am mistaken a company like Intertek will get a piece of equipment shipped express, overnight, next-day, whatever depending on scale of the item. Yet here things sit. Last FB'd statement was something like conferring on how to move forward ? What the hey ?
Is anyone buying into that ?
Someone (Robert ?) at Wanderport needs to step up to the plate, lay out where things are, what the timeframe expectations are, etc. and attempt to start rebuilding some confidence. If the shoe is in fact ready to fall, the company needs to step up and make a floor where it will land.
well stated n1tr08urner
to which I will add that, nice as it would be to push the pps higher by presenting positive statements about the company and its future, imo there are very few that would see such statements and not see beyond to the motives and absence of supporting facts.
Saying that is not being negative. It is being realistic.
The solution to the pps is getting the company to stop sitting on its . . . and do something tangible. The solution is not making good sounding statements that cannot be verified. There may be a time for that. But to be sane one only needs to look at the pair of PRs, accompanied by the circus of paid board hecklers, about the imminent testing to be announced and then the PR about the up-swell of investor excitement, and look at the impact that had on the pps.
No, Wanderport needs to show its hand. That will impact the pps, one way or the other, and it is doubtful anything else will.
The test results are for the manufacturer!
They are for everyone, not just potential manufacturers, distributors.
They are for investors, i.e. pps, and the company.
Remember the comments that yes, there will be dilution in order to fund those stages (if not, to listen to the conference call again).
Check out the website, where investment is solicited.
Test results are to keep the dream alive.
I have thought that of the company for, well, since it was 0.15-0.18 range before the start of the first ree bubble, so it is good to see continued execution that direction.
Each is allowed there own concept of what is what.
IMO the voice of FB has to date not provided one piece of into that turned out to be other than hopeful but unfulfilled anticipation building verbiage, other than a few insulting quips and rare approximation of apology by way on behavior explanation.
Wanderport either does or does not have internal test results.
If not something is very amiss.
If so why would Wanderport not release these as asked by many invested in the company, particularly given the latest, inadequately (imo) explained, delay in the timeline (unspecified at present) to independent results release. How long does the company expect new blood to come to support the pps with no tangible evidence of a viable product or licensing future?
Yep. I was almost surprised to see the positive market reception to the NR about the very expensive delay of default on the short-term bridge funds.
Ah, now that one def deserved a pic !
sounds like you were not around in the time leading up to the meet and greet
the conference call was to appease investors
there was to have been a big reveal at a major utility conference, which was totally missed . . . they had played that up for over half a year
they totally missed that one, no product, no appearance
there was a lot of doubt about the company's all and everything
from that context resulted the meet and greet
to me the "complaining" is not complaining, it is holding the feet to the fire, not letting them pretend things were different than they were
witnessing the truth is not omplaining
it is of course all point of view, and you are correct, some just say F#!! this and walk, but I am thinking they cannot walk
I sure hope he sells Los Azules soon and buys another sold producer.
Now that would be great, provided the yet to be determined size of Los Azules gets recognized. I too would like to see Rob have excess in the treasury while there are so many good projects out there held by struggling, unfinanced juniors.
At some point in the coming months the recognition that economies have been stabalized, the growth rate the new 10 year plan is aiming to support in China, etc. along with virtually endless printing will write a new floor under silver which imo will in turn write a new segment on the MUX chart that will be more to our liking.
Those are encouraging signs, good indicators.
But remember that pyroclastics and flow breccias extend for miles.
Think Mt St Helens, which was small as eruptions go (historically).
That could be, and maybe as you say in your other post pictures come out, results come out, etc and people just complain Maybe. It could also be that people will respond entirely differently.
Here is the thing however. The Meet & Greet only happened because we were getting rowdy and outspoken about being mistreated (i.e. not seeing what PRs had said we would be seeing). That is why the last conference call happened. I am not sure, but would guess that is why the FB attempt at "a new Wanderport" came about. Once upon a time the message was clear that results would only be released when final and verified by a third-party, but it seemed like an accommodation to our "demands" that promises were made to get in-house test results available in the shortest time.
Etc.
What I am saying is that without "complaining" the company would likely not have moved down the path as far as it has, might be still stringing us along with "oops, had to fly to China so slipped back from phase 3 to middle-late phase 2",etc.
The Meet & Greet came about because they saw investor patience was getting very thin. In a sense they trained us to behave this way, as it is the only thing that has gotten signs of accountability from them.
IMO people are not complaining, like some whiners, but just pointing out to the company how badly mistreated they feel. People are not just justified in doing this, but they are also right to do so as we might never find out what the company has, what the company can do unless there is pressure on them to perform and get the show on the road.
A lot that makes perfect sense in that post.
One thing I question however is in
So yes, we have the right to complain. We probably have very little legal recourse or any power to force them to do anything but we absolutely have the right to be upset and let them know it.
apparently someone's emails and/or calls are not seeing their expressed concerns addressed in a respectful and meaningful way
Ex FB: "I would like to remind everyone that it is no longer necessary to sling personal insults at one another. I propose we now focus our attention on the goal at hand."
Most of what I have seen is not "personal insults" but honest, heartfelt (or pocket-felt), frustration at and pointers to examples of NON-PERFORMANCE and DECEPTIVE PRs.
Indeed, let those two categories of things be behind us.
If the company wants to move forward it could easily do so by simply delivering on the pledges Wanderport has made.
Investors/speculators are not out-of-line by pointing out to Wanderport the shortcomings that have stagnated the share market (and threaten to plunge it further toward oblivion). A number of those shortcomings could be easily cured by Wanderport by taking actions to support an image of "a new Wanderport". If there is as was repeatedly indicated inhouse test results, and video of the testing, pictures of "the unit", etc. then release them.
What is to be lost? Or is it that doing so would in fact worsen things?
What say you Wanderport?
That you refuse to acknowledge that people are calling your bluff does not mitigate the fact that those people, and many others, see that you are unwilling to show your hand.
Thanks Gatz for the FB info and for continuing to sort through all the junk and interface to bring us the best of the best
"How about it Mr. Martel?" Where are the promised internal, preliminary test results, as was promised to be made available with all haste multiple times in PRs? "Richard, this is why you have disgruntle investors, you have consistently made promises that you have not kept."
This Tae gets it exactly right.
Not knowing FB, if there is some "unlike" feature, erasing all history of some poster, similar to Russian banishing to Siberia, doing that would be better than putting the terse, quip, rude, off-hand responses out there in the public space for all to see evermore.
The fact that we addressed a few doorknobs in their own language doesn’t deter from this sites usefulness.
The problem is, as I understand things, that we do not have any gold at this point, not deep and not shallow. We have shown the earth has gold scattered about in a number of veins. We have not shown there are any larger, thick veins with continuity in length. Until what is in the ground can be shown likely to be economically recoverable we don't have any gold. That is the problem along with the dilution needed to maybe get to where there is clearly economic gold at TPW.
Good news would be that they had redefined "soon" back to what most people consider to be soon.
Give the man a break.
Fair enough. Maybe so.
Then again, maybe as boss he was twisting Robert's elbow to get something to say. Maybe he is up late at night reviewing and editing what will be a PR so that the words have lots of room to be read backwards and forward without actually seeing what is really being said. Maybe . . .
Oh Beers, the three stooges strike even worse than that.
Your humorous summary of events that transpired between Wanderport and Intertek is good, but remember what Hockmir posted about how such professional testing is carried out. Before the device was even allowed into the lab, or for that matter the cost of the testing to be done was set, the entire test was detailed. The test scenario was then fully scripted, including what tests, what equipment, how configured, done by whom, etc.. A piece of equipment was missing? Yea, right! That is one way of saying that the contract was redefined at the last minute, or that is one way to try to coverup that something went very badly.
Now you are sounding like myself around end of summer or early fall
You go gold, get 'em, they certainly deserve a dressing down !
That post from FB that Gatz just put up, on reading I just said how childish, and this guy is leading this company ? (yes, I know, just a hired independent contractor that is not paid - right)
I absolutely agree that they need to be much more professional, just release actual information in a concise way and in case there are pertinent questions that a number of investors have address those too but none of the constant bickering and name-calling that goes on on FB right now. And none of the "just wait and see how awesome and revolutionary this will be". Just as many facts as possible and nothing else.
I tend to agree with you on this part
At this Point WDRP should just stop with any information in regards to where they are at, go silent, and when Results are in just PR it, with no advance warning.