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This part of the PR is a laugh lol Quote;
"The Company intends to support by actions a stable cadre of value based investors who share the same objectives. Some of those people are already investors and others are being actively sought. RTG is building a foundation and continues the business plan execution as will be reflected in its annual audit and subsequent 10-Q's."
"INTENDS to support BY ACTIONS"? What actions? They have not done anything all year to generate revenue yet, have they? Acquiring Brand-E has generated what? What Value did Brand-E really bring to RTGV? It sure didn't show in the share price?
And then this; "A stable cadre of value based investors who share the same objectives"? What Objectives? To just Idly sit QUIET While our Investments DROP IN VALUE SOME 90%? I'd like Linda to find ANY long-term Investors out there that would Tolerate this?
This PR is BS pure and simple, they are trying to blame the dropping share price on Investorshub posters instead of the real reasons like Convertible debt that has robbed Investors equity some 90%, they seem to pay for everything with new shares because they don't have any revenue coming in that I'm aware of? So it's really convenient to pass the buck and blame UNHAPPY INVESTORS, Well who wouldn't be unhappy when their Investment has been cut in half? or like many here, 80-90%?
There's one scenario that I have not heard anyone mention here, that just might be a possibility for the walkdown?
I know dam well that there was a massive short on RTGV from a year ago, and from early this year, as well as some in the springtime, I have not seen any real evidence of any short-covering on that "unreported short position", unreported because it was "shorted against the box" (short selling in lieu of convertible debentures). Bottom line; This may be the first evidence of short-covering that we have seen since it began? This is just my opinion, but it very well could be what is happening?
I mean hey, I totally agree with Threeflight concerning Linda Perry and the rest of the board, if she truly believes that this Ihub trading forum has any bearing on the share price, then she is Incompetent to be the CEO of a Publicly traded company.
When it comes to the share price of even Penny & Sub-Penny companies, the Bottom-Line is "REVENUE, REVENUE, REVENUE"! Where is it? Where is any Revenue being generated for RTG Ventures at all? Because I don't see any evidence of any revenue being generated here? What good is acquiring Brand-E if there is no revs being produced?
I mean Geeesh, what is the Business Plan of this Company in the first place when it comes to Revenue being Generated from anywhere other than "ISSUING STOCK"? They have PR'd several business plans but have not followed through on anything yet that is evident? Am I wrong to say this? I don't think so, but if I am would someone please point out where any revs are being generated?
As far as the walkdown in shareprice, the only people that would possibly benefit financially from this is a short that needs to be covered, and if they are truly going to follow through with the Name/Symbol change like they PR'd, the short MUST be covered prior to this, (another possible reason for the moratorium PR).
3F; Ya know it is starting to look like this last PR that they issued was put out to attempt to keep shareholders at bay, what I mean by this is; "To try and keep shareholders from getting P/O'd" because of the share price. When really the last PR was a joke.
I said that to say this;
It is starting to look like they may have (Probably did), Issued someone a bunch of shares for something, (Cash maybe?), who knows, whatever. But they prob issued someone a bunch of stock, KNOWING IT WOULD BE DUMPED INTO THE FLOAT, Depressing the share price even further, like we are seeing now. So they issued this Moratorium, to make it look like they are being responsible with the company stock, "AFTER ISSUING A TON OF SHARES". It's almost like the Bait & Switch routine, but only they are using a PR to try and appear to shareholders as being responsible, when in reality they are being very irresponsible. Then trying to cover it up with a PR. Who dumps stock at 0006? or 0007 for that matter? I doubt if it is someone bailing, it's most likely stock that was issued just before the last PR, IMO.
This is only my opinion, I'm not saying this is what is happening, but I wouldn't rule it out?
"WHAT IF"??? Here's a thought, just something that popped into my mind after reading thru many posts here from the past week or two.
It seems that trading has dried right up on RTGV, other than the few retail trades that go through here and there. The company releasing any info about "ANYTHING" has dried up as well, other than the moratorium on issuance of shares, which could show another reason why trading has dried-up (oops I mean SELLING has dried up, which could explain the no-volume). My point is the fact that not one of the things PR'd last spring have come to pass, other than paying off the convertible debt, of which I might add the fact that it seems that Most of the debt seems to have already been paid off by the convertibles that were sold, diluting shareholder equity from the .01 range down to .001, the board didn't put a stop to it until the share price hit .0009 back in Feb. which only left approx $90 some Grand of debt left to pay off. Point being; They let the majority of the debt to be paid off BY INVESTORS EQUITY.
Here's the WHAT IF;
What if they have Clammed Up for a reason? Maybe they don't want any Investors buying right now, But why wouldn't a company want Investors buying in? A company would only want Investors staying away for one simple reason, "If They have something to HIDE"! If the company has something that they don't want people to know about, maybe they Lied about several things? I don't know if they did or not, but one thing is for certain, nothing they PR'd last spring has came to pass yet, that is for certain. So if trading dries up, and the Investors that were here just sell off, take their losses and go away, then theres hardly anyone left to "ASK QUESTIONS" or Inquire about all those things they PR'd that have not happened? This was just a "What If" question that I was thinking about.
It's about time! Hopefully this is the beginning of the final move forward and never look back on the 001's or 002's again, or the subs altogether. Name/Symbol change should be coming soon as well?
Hmmmmm It seems like I have been saying this for Month's now??
NioStar; So tell us what happens if they happen to get this paltry $95K Convertible Debt "PAID OFF"?
Then what?
Are you saying that "They Will Still Raise the A/S Anyways"? If they get NON-Convertible, NON-Toxic Financing, and start bringing in Revenue, are you saying they are going to Keep issuing shares to pay the bills, keep the Dilution Going anyways?
I know they have a bad track record in the past, but remember that when it comes to Stocks, the Past in NOT a Predictor of the Future.
When it comes to Known "Pump & Dump" Companies well sure then we can predict with relatively success that a Pump & Dump company will continue to repeat itself, But is RTGV a known Pump & Dump outfit? Just because they have issued shares to pay the bills doesn't make them a Pump & Dump company.
If the RTGV Board has "Learned from their Past Mistakes" (which we all hope is the case) and they have a business plan that will Truly Work this time, then in fact this might really get off the ground and Lift-Off. You Cannot say for certain that Your Prediction is 100% correct. I'd say your prediction is a 50/50 Guesstimate, and if you're wrong this time, and they do get this off the ground, and RTGV does run-up into Pennyland, theres going to be alot of people very happy they DID NOT Listen to you.
In my opinion, it is considerably arrogant of people who are making a 50/50 guesstimate on the future of a company to say that their prediction is 100% correct, when the fact is you "Really Don't Know For Certain" You're basically "Guessing" Based on the Past Performance of the Company, which is not a determining factor on the future (unless RTGV was a known P&D of which they are not).
ace65; You just asked the Million $ question, that's what everyone that is Betting on the Company here is waiting for.
ACTION FROM THE COMPANY!
Until the Company starts producing Revenue, starts making Money off these Mergers/Deals, the Software Platform they developed, and all the other things they say they have for the Future, Until they Put these things Into Action to begin Streams of Revenue Flowing into the Company, Until then,
"NOTHING is going to Happen"!!!
They will keep paying the bills with New Shares, getting further into debt. Making the float harder & harder to move going forward, Turning New Investors off in the Process.
Personally I have been very optimistic about the Company going forward, and I still am optimistic, but the fact Remains that Until the Company PUTS THIS BUSINESS PLAN INTO ACTION The "Intrinsic Value, Market-Cap & the Value Per Share" is NOT Going to just Magically Increase!
REVENUE, REVENUE, REVENUE! We just don't have any yet, the Company is paying the bills with stock, the Officers are Living off the Stock (Except 1 who has stock options instead of a salary), Shareholder Equity is paying for virtually everything right now.
We were told that after the 8K they had a Ton of things to PR, where is it all? The 8K is 10 days old now & we have had one little measly letter to shareholders & the stock dropped into the Mid Teens. We really need to see some action from the company, or even the Stronger Longs are going to start thinking twice about holding?
ace65; That's an easy one. I've said this several times before, but we will probably see a lot more of this in the next several weeks leading up to Aug. when the 6 month window is set to expire.
The Financier who holds the Convertible Debt note, who agreed to the 6 month window, can/WILL start converting again after the 6 month agreement expires, "That is ONLY If the Company Has NOT Paid the Debt Off". If the Company gets the Debt paid off beforehand, there will not be anymore converting (Dilution) like there was last Fall through Jan 2012 into Feb. when they were granted the 6 month window.
But until the debt gets paid off, it is in the Financiers best interest to keep the share price down as low as possible, because the lower the share price the harder it is for the Company to get financing, and the more shares the financier gets when it comes time to begin conversion again (if that happens).
They WILL do whatever they can to keep the share price down until they are paid off. I read where the debt is only $95K, but you have to add interest into that now for the past 6 months, and if a company is broke $95 can become quite alot of shares to issue.
I'm basically painting a worse case scenario, if the debt doesn't get paid off. $95K at 001 is 95Mil shares (001 is where is was trading when the conversion stopped back in feb), 95Mil shares is not counting interest on the debt.
davidam; Is there anything you can tell us about Exactly How the Board is going to pay off the Current Convertible debt that comes due in Aug. when the 6 month window expires?
I mean more specifically, getting the "Friendly Financing" as they worded it in the Feb. PR, so the market doesn't get flooded with more dilution than we already have. August is only 6 weeks away and we have not heard diddly from them other than "Linda is 100% sure" they will pay it off. I'm not trying to be negative here, but frankly I would like to know more about how they plan to do this than "Linda is 100% sure", seems to me she has been 100% sure of things many time before only to find that things were not as she thought they were.
I (and others) would really like to see something from the company that tells us "They Have Learned Some Valuable Lessons, and WILL NOT Be Repeating Past Mistakes".
I think that would assure most shareholders that things are really on the up and up, and not just "Take Linda's Word For It".
And if they get the Holder of the Toxic note paid off before Aug. then what? How does that fit into your theory??? No More CONVERSION Going on if they pay off the Debt Holder RIGHT?
Of course Restricted shares count, how could you believe something like that? They are always part of a companies Issued Outstanding Number of shares.
That's exactly the reason they increased the O/S to 750Mil, so the Preferred conversion shares "That Are NOT Convertible for at Least ONE YEAR" I might add, Those shares are Figured into the O/S already. YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.
Past Performance of a Company, does Not Determine the Future Performance it Will Have. Just because there has been Past Failures with RTGV, Does NOT Mean that the Current Venture will fail.
davidam; I just checked out the board here since the market closed for the weekend and found these postings about VERT, Here is something the company might want to read concerning The Vertical Trading Group, from the SEC (from 2009 I believe);
Excerpt Quote;
(Note: VERT is widely recognized by investors as a market maker who abuses their market making obligations and manipulates stock prices for profit. They are the firm the less than reputable clients trade through when they want a “job done” and this enforcement case, despite the paltry fine, illustrates their willingness to avoid the rules.)
Here's a link to the complete article from the SEC.
http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-08-09/s70809-3684.pdf
This is the whole paragraph (Not the whole article) I took the above excerpt from regarding VERT.
Quote;
The Vertical Trading Group, LLC ( CRD #104353, NewYork, NewYork) submitted a Letter of Acceptance, Waiver and Consent in which the firm was censured, fined $25,000 and required to revise its written supervisory procedures regarding the One Percent Rule; the dissemination of quotations to vendors; monthly order execution information; SEC Regulation SHO’s locate requirements; the acceptance of short sale orders for threshold securities; maintaining identical quotes; market order protection; best execution for block orders, not held orders and orders with special pricing terms or conditions; reporting the capacity in which trades are executed; ensuring the accuracy of trades reported on the member’s behalf; the tick test; and books and records. Without admitting or denying the findings, the firm consented to the described sanctions and to the entry of findings that it failed to properly identify orders as short sale orders and, therefore, failed to report to the NNTRF the correct symbol indicating whether transactions were buy, sell, sell short, sell short exempt or cross for transactions in reportable securities, and to properly mark the orders as short. The findings stated that the firm’s supervisory system did not provide for supervision reasonably designed to achieve compliance with applicable laws, regulations and FINRA rules concerning the One Percent Rule; the dissemination of quotations to vendors; monthly order execution information; Regulation SHO’s locate requirements; the acceptance of short sale orders for threshold securities; maintaining identical quotes; market order protection; best execution for block orders, not held orders and orders with special pricing terms or conditions; reporting the capacity in which trades are executed; ensuring the accuracy of trades reported on the member’s behalf; the tick test; and books and records. The findings also stated that the firm failed to produce documentation that it enforced its written supervisory procedures concerning the marking of order tickets and locate requirements. The findings also included that the firm failed to report the correct symbol to the NNTRF or OTCRF indicating whether the firm executed transactions in reportable securities in a principal, “riskless” principal or agency capacity. (FINRA Case #2006004088101)
Do you feel sorry for those who sold under 003 thinking it was Crashing? Believing those who were saying "The Sky is Falling"? I know I don't, I've learned my lesson a long time ago about having Weak Hands.
Up 28% so far & VERT off the ask, I don't think anyone is going to be loading up in the teens or low 002's like they thought?
Think theres some of that "Sellers Remorse" going around right about now?? LOL
I thought the LA trip was to Review the Final terms/draft of the deal? If everything was right on with the terms, & final draft, then from there it would be on the Attorneys to get the paperwork completed and filed and whatever else needs to be done.
I know there is more than just filling out an application for a CUSIP/Name change, it's a complicated process that doesn't happen overnight. Attorneys move like snails much of the time, so I think we just have to wait it out at this point.
Sure there comes a time when we can say "They've had more than enough time to get the paperwork done" but 2 weeks? I don't think we can really say that yet?
Threeflight; Reality speaking,
PR's are not really going to do anything for the share price right now "Unless They have something Accomplished to Release" and until they Have something accomplished to put out in a PR all that's going to happen is Flippers taking profits, selling into the PR's.
Personally I think we've had enough "Updates" It's time to "Chit or get off the Pot" as they say, Get It Done then give the world a Real Meaty PR with some Real Changes, Something Accomplished that's going to move the Company Forward and start bringing Revenue in. We don't need any Fluffy Updates anymore in my opinion, The Company needs to get these things Completed, then we will see some real action.
The 6 Month window for getting what the company PR'd as "Friendly Financing" gives them until August to get new financing, did you bother to read the PR from Feb?
Born4this; How do you know they failed to get better financing? They haven't even went through the Name/Symbol change yet, or signed the Acquisition deal and filed the 8K, so what do you know?
Another "GUESSING THOMAS" I Suppose??
SIObserver; Here is what is really going on, IMO. I've posted this before a while back in April/May.
But for those who didn't see it, read this from a former Professional that worked as a Market Maker, an excerpt from a write-up where he is talking about Convertible Debt & short selling penny stocks on the OTC, quote;
They (convertible note holder/hedge fund) have sold a ton of shares that they don't have and did not borrow, but they will pass that short position back and forth among themselves so it doesn't matter, they already have your money. The shares that they sold short are not actual shares to begin with but merely IOU's that they are legitimately "supposed to deliver" but rarely ever do, they short against the convertible note they hold. The MM's swap these "short sold IOU's/share entitlements" back and forth as they need to. This can go on for weeks, months, and even years.
The tricks of the common MM are plenty and step 1 is only the begining my impatient friends. Here's how it works in a nutshell, this is common practice so many reading this have probably seen it happen before.
Step #1. Is to drive the price down causing confusion as well as setting off an accumulation by investors.
Step #2. Is to make the price fall a little more causing panic selling.
Step #3. Trade it sideways for a while to get shares back from impatient investors that were looking for the quick buck.
Step #4. Drop the price slightly again to set off a little panic in the longs that just watched the stagnant market for a while.
(Step 3 and 4 is when there will be MM accumulation)
Step #5. Run the price up and unload the inventory at a premium and start the whole process over.
ulfahl; These Finance Firms that borrow money out to small & micro-cap companies that trade on the OTC get away with "Financial Murder" and the SEC hardly ever does anything about it, the only Markets the SEC ever really polices and takes any action on is the Big Boards, DOW, NASDAQ, S&P, ect. ect. The OTC is basically "Unregulated" when it comes to many of the rules they enforce on the Major exchanges. They are way too understaffed to Police the OTC market, there is so much of this garbage going on in the OTC theres no way they can stop it, they have a hard enough time catching the crooks on the major exchanges. Sad but true.
One thing that the Holder of the Note "CANNOT GET AROUND" with RTGV is the fact that "ALL SHORTS MUST BE COVERED BEFORE A CUSIP/SYMBOL CHANGE" so whatever their short position is that they shorted against their Convertibles (and I'll guarantee that they massively shorted this stock before they were ever issued 1 single share!) (because the lower the share price the more shares they get, and they short against the "Convertible Debenture Loan" so it doesn't show up on any short report), This all Must be Covered before the CUSIP/Symbol change can take place!
So many people have got the wrong idea about Dilution, so many people think that when "New Shares" get sold into the market, they think it's "The Company" that's diluting when 90% of the time IT'S NOT!
Most of the New Shares that get sold into the Market on stocks like RTGV (and any other stocks that have a "Toxic Finance"/"Convertible Debenture" Loan deal),
It's the FIRM THAT HOLDS THE NOTE/LOAN Who is selling the New Shares into the Market!
According to the Agreements these companies sign with these Toxic Financing Firms, they Financier has the right to go to the Transfer Agent and Demand Share Certifications for Repayment of the Loan, they cannot hold more than 4.9% of the outstanding # of shares at any one time, and according to SEC rules they can only sell a certain % of the daily volume (which is another reason why they short & cover in the same day, to create volume).
Sure it's the company that signed the deal and borrowed the money, but whenever you have dilution most of the time it's the firm they borrowed from selling the new shares. I'm not saying I know exactly what is going on with RTGV, but the fact that they have a Toxic Finance deal says it all. The are supposed to of had a 6 month window, but like I've said before I don't believe the firm holding the note has stuck to the deal.
chief42; Here is a link for you, it is to a list of all MM's info from Alphatrade, you don't have to be a paid member to access this list. Look the MM's up alphabetically.
http://www.alphatrade.com/techSupport/marketMakers.html
If they get rid of the Convertible Debt (Toxic debt), get alternate financing that does NOT dilute the stock (The Feb PR stated they have a 6 Month window to get "Friendly Financing" in place), it seems that everyone is under the assumption that what the company refers to as "Friendly Financing" means NON-Convertible Financing, where the company makes Cash Payments on the debt instead of Toxic Finance where the Note holder just goes to the transfer agent and gets Millions of shares to sell, and the shareholders get stuck paying off the debt instead, which always turns into a LOSE/LOSE situation for the company. Not only do Investors stay away in droves, but the Toxic note holder almost always short-sells the stock into oblivion in order to get many times more number of shares issued to them for conversion.
Bottom line;
If they get rid of this Convertible debt, there prob won't be any need to increase the A/S anymore than what it is.
RTGV is going to pop bigtime and they know it is INEVITABLE, but still they are doing everything they can to keep this down as long as possible, there's only one reason for this, the toxic financier is still short, and this isn't a short position you will find on any stock data website, because they massively short-sold against the box/against their convertible debt position/shares that they were/are entitled to under the terms of the Private Equity Loan agreement, and if RTGV has not paid off that debt yet, like the Feb PR that said they have a 6 month window on, then they have all the reason in the world to try and keep this down as long as they possibly can.
RTG Closes the Merger deal, company Name/Symbol change, ect. ect. Saves the Day! IMO
That's something I have been saying for years about CEO's of Small/Micro-cap Companies trading on the OTC Penny Stock Markets, one of the biggest things that the Majority of the CEO's of the Small/Micro-cap companies are Lacking are "STREET SMARTS"!!!
They don't teach this in College!
This isn't something they can just turn to a chapter in a book and read up on.
Until they actually go out and "BECOME PART OF THE PENNY STOCK TRADING COMMUNITY" and learn to trade Penny Stocks "FOR PROFIT", learn the ropes, learn all the tricks MM's, Hedge Funds, Trading Groups (Pump & Dump Trading groups included), and all the other crazy things that happen in the Penny Markets "THAT SEPARATE THE PENNY STOCK MARKET" From the DOW, NASDAQ, S&P, ect. ect.
Until Penny Stock CEO's actually do something like this, I don't believe they can "Truly Relate to the People who Invest/Trade Penny stocks for a Living". I'm not talking about the once in a while Investor that might buy shares of a Penny stock once in a Blue Moon, I'm talking about those of us that have basically made a Life out of this, that Trade Pennies Full Time, or even Part-time, many Part-Time Penny Traders know how this Market works, a person doesn't have to Trade Penny stocks Full-time to know whats going on here.
This is where CEO's and other Board members of most of these Penny stocks miss the boat. They can't really relate to the people they "NEED, WANT, DEPEND-ON, TO INVEST IN THEIR COMPANY" and so we have countless missed opportunities for Companies just like RTGV to Further/Better themselves. Just my opinion/2 cents based on years of trading Penny stocks and dealing with CEO's and other BOD's in this market.
3F; Ditto! An update on the review that was supposed to take place last Fri. would definitely have helped New Shareholders in their decisions to buy in, as well as those sitting on the fence thinking about getting in, not to mention todays share price support (that appears to me that MM's may have Zeroed in on some stop/losses as well as create some Panic selling among newbies).
Same thing the Pessimist's were saying last Friday!But LOOK! ROTFLMAO.
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Heres a link to a Live 60 Minute chart posted by Epic a while back. As you can see the RSI has retreated nicely back under 70 which is great for this slow accumulation to take us higher, instead of having an overbought situation and people selling off to take profits. This seems to be setting up to take us much higher if we can break through the resistance between 0046 - 005. This slow accumulation is exactly what this stock needs right now, keeping the flippers away, and the continued buying is taking shares away from the impatient and into Stronger Longer Hands!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72575793
Actually a lot of people get it wrong when they say that the Company is Diluting, sometimes yes they do, but most of the time it is the Financier that is Converting debt, better known as Toxic Financing, Loans that get paid back with shares, ultimately it's the company that signed the loan, but the Financier is the one that gets shares issued to them by the transfer agent and then sells them on the open market.
The "Druids couldn't stop the Bloods from getting the WHITE CANDLE"!!! LOL, Someone should make a movie out of something like this. You've got Boiler Room, and Wall Street, I'm gonna write a Screenplay called: "Pump, Dump & Paint" The story of Rival Message board Stock Market Gangs, You have your Pumper Gangs, Basher Gangs, Short selling Gangs, Hedge fund Thugs, Toxic Finance Sharks, ect. All Battling for the most Greenbacks they can get, anyway they can! LOL.
Yeah, what happened to your "Prediction" of 001 this week?
Idiots trying to keep the chart from looking great? Something like that maybe? Obviously someone here who is angry with the company wants to make a statement, really stupid if you ask me.
Run into 4PM & close at a new HOD over 004 would be so Bullish for next week IMO.
Anyone selling today is going to have whats commonly known as "SELLERS REMORSE" next week, IMO.
I think that's why we haven't broke 004 yet, there are some smart Traders accumulating right now, and they are not breaking 004 for a reason, their looking to pick-up as much as they can in the 003's from weak hands before the 8K, and other news comes out that is going to take this much higher.
RTGV = Sleeping Giant that's waking up, IMO.
Mark; Really, Their not doing a RM? I was under the impression thats what they were doing, since RTGV is basically a shell. So what are they doing then, using the acquisitions to restructure the current corporation and just change the name/symbol? That would prob mean no CUSIP change then, if they are only changing the name? I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what it is they are doing?
No price movement? We went from 003 to 0039 before lunch and your not happy? Nice and slow upward climb is what we want here. A fast run-up leads to dumping and massive retracing.