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Ask Barry M why no audit has been done.
Let 'em have it soso.
Steve - time for some BD levity?
The sun had just set as the shades were being pulled down at the Oil City office. Inside, several persons were scurrying about trying to verify the amount of Company shares they controlled.
Mario was on one phone calling his wife to have her check on the quantity of shares gifted to their two year old son. His estimate of 55 million shares would not be far off. Big Daddy Joe was on another phone asking Jayne to verify the amount of shares he had gifted to another young family member.
That number would exceed 60 Million shares.
Miss Represent and Miss Leed had already erased the ficticious well numbers that had been drawn up to give any one visiting the office, a false sense of asset ownership. They were scribbling share counts and adding them up on the board for all to see. Problem was - they were so accustomed to doubling and adding thousands to any numbers, they were quickly confused.
As Xavier Con was busy eyeballing Miss Represent, Miss Leed informed everyone that the number of shares outstanding was still not known by anyone in the room.
Silence gripped the office. No one dared speak. All waited for Big daddy Joe to produce the unknown number. But, even he was at a loss as to the actual number of shares out. He barked orders to get the numbers of shares the family held. Surely it would be enough to fend off an unwanted coup from defrauded shareholders.
Meanwhile, some nineteen hundred miles to the North, another group was busily tallying their own proxied shares.
This group had hard and fast, factual documentation, and was simply adding up the total number of shares. They could only hope they had enough to override the corrupt and criminal forces that were running the Company.
Both groups had simultaneously come to the same conclusion. Knowing how many shares were out was imperative.
But, even as they pondered, Big Daddy Joe was uncovering the printing press in an effort to guarantee his side would win.
As the night wore on, Big Daddy Joe was hanging the newly printed share documents to dry.
As the Oil City crew sat silent, watching the paper drying, Big Daddy smiled and offerred:"Not to worry. We can declare a two thousand for one stock split for the "L" shares!"
Ingenious, as it was, Big Daddy Joe was still uncertain how many of the coveted "L" shares were in the family coffers.
"That will certainly quell any takeover attempts by those Yankee fools."
Once again, all was well in Oil City. Mario went home to recount his now two-thousand fold shares, as did Jayne, and the little ones. Tomorrow they would all celebrate at Jayne's restaurant. There was asecond reason for the celebration - the restaurant was now totally paid off as a result of diverting additional funds from the company to the establishment.
There would be no need to hire ladies of the evening for the upstairs rooms for additional revenue generation.
Meanwhile - up North, folks were fretting the obvious. Without knowing what percentage of the outstanding shares they controlled, all was a mystery. Perplexed and mentally exhausted, they faced a long night of posturing.
The next day both groups would issue a PR, claiming their own sweet victories. InvestorsHub would be adorned with limitless questions and confused posters. If there was any good news in all of this, there would be two less posters pontificating the effects of projected prices of oil.
One thing was clear - Big Daddy Joe had proven himself to be a good family man....
They were certainly frustrated and wildly accusatory - but they had the same Q's we all have:
What does BD actually own? How much of Lanza's posturing was smoke and mirrors?
Did the 'good family man' own anything tangible - or is BD a purely ficticious producer?
Were there ever any profits - and were they all diverted to Lanza family enterprises?
With Lanza still in place, what additional evils is that man capabale of - now that he knows his days (both as a free man, as well as a company manager) are soon to be over?
Let's hope at least two of the new directors aren't overly gullible and blind to reality!
Its going to be exceeding difficult to deliver a comprehensive audit with nothing to audit - no books, no written agreements, no cooperation, no paper trails, nothing to incriminate the master.
I wonder if Lou can recreate the 'magic board' depicting wells, production, ownership, etc....
Looks like I'm not the only one with legal action against the crew. Without auditable material, the case gets more difficult. Perhaps a cover-up fire next week? A destructive Flood perhaps?
Going to be a long winter...
Metro,
I was thinking the same thing.....but two scenarios are possible....neither are welcome!
Did I miss something about specific posters getting the boot?
TIA
The worst case scenario is that Lanza has lied about EVERYTHING.
Lied about owning any productive wells.
Lied about owning any leases beyond worthless non-productive wells.
If anyone doubts Lanza's expert sophistication for hiding, concealing, misrepresenting, ignoring, and outright stealing, they may want to reconsider their thinking.
There could be so many unpaid bills and liens, an audit will take a year to fully identify, isolate, and confirm the viability of the company.
All the lying while, Lanza has been issuing and selling more shares from day one to now. With that amount of money coming in, Lanza didn't need any revenue from phantom wells.
Does anyone doubt Lanza's expertise in defrauding, deflecting, and moving money to areas where it can not be traced, found, recovered, or recouped?
Does anyone believe Jayne will suffer financially if she is again ordered to pay $500K in penalties for her part?
Does anyone believe that Mario will not be allowed to retain any monmies deflected his way....or any of the other scheming Lanza nepots? Given the great familiy man that Lanza has been described as, no one should be surprised at how well he took care of family.
Does anyone think that Lanza will be cooperative in sitting down with the new players and discussing his criminal acts and fraudulent behavior - or be willing to provide accurate descriptions of assets, cash flow, etc?
How quickly everyone dismissed Barry M's resignation comments.
How quickly everyone ignored the reasons for Ellis's sudden departure- especially given his statement upon accepting his brief role.
The good news is: that is the worst case scenario. The Best case scenario has yet to be painted - we'll have to wait for that to unravel.
Who knows, perhaps despite Lanza's criminal intentions, he may have just landed on a significant piece of property which will make us all rich. That would certianly be a happy beginning.
Spunky, some folks post information. Some folks do their own DD - and some even willingly share what they have learned so that others invested in BDGR can make a more informed decision.
Others, kinda like the type you see in your own mirror, prefer to assail what others bespeak.
Regarding Lou, neither you nor I can speak for him, but I'm sure he knows how I feel about Lanza. He knows how I think he was too gullible, too quick to trust, and too easily manipulated by Lanza. Gee, right about now, I'd even bet he acknowledges that Lanza is, was, and always will be a crook.
Perhaps he has learned a little something about people.
Maybe you can take a cue from him......naw...you already know everything about everything. Forget I mentioned it.
Keep on assailing. Keep on attacking. Keep on accusing. Makes the board a bit nore interesting.
BUT, If you think you might be up to it, try to find out how many shares of BDGR are outstanding as of Friday. When you find out, post the number. I'll be happy to play your role and attack your motives and crediblity....naw....I'm not like that. You've got the character flaw for that.
While you're playing assassin, I'll be working with some very serious folks to oust Lanza permanently.
Happy Sunday Spunky.
You're truly a work of art Spunky. First you question all that I uncover. Then you challenged the facts that are now well known. Now you seem all to willing to accept that which many of us espoused so long ago.
But then again, who knows what you'll reveal tomorrow. Maybe you'll surprise one or two of us with some new-found knowledge?
I reckon that would suggest Lanza is not such a 'good familiy man' afterall...eh Lou?
EGAD! Is this the very same Maverick who disbelieved all those baaaaad things that were being posted about Lanza? Have you come full circle now? Are you sufficiently educated as to the facts now? Have you now accepted the fact that Lanza is what he has always been and always will be?
CONGRATULATIONS, Pal, and welcome to reality. It took you a bit longer than it took Lou, but at least you've arrived.
Posted by: maverick one
In reply to: None Date:7/30/2007 7:43:14 PM
Post #of 10734
57 TBird...are you for real amigo? Because it is certainly obvious too me you are here for only 3 reasons buddy.
#1 You do not beleive a word that comes from Joe...which is your opinion... I then wonder why do you go on and on attacking the man, management and the company in whole? Why are you here? OH LOL...but we all know why you continually bad mouth the company and it's management now don't we? You certainly are one of the "bad guys" on here my little Tijuana 3 legged 1 eyed Chihuahua or we can nickname you Fluffy the Fluffmaster. You absolutely offer nothing but BS on a daily basis of attacking the company and management with nothing backing up your fluff attacks. For every post that you post the more we know your scheme and it's not passing the French Mustard test I'll tell you pal. Nothing would make me happier to see you go away LOL. If this emboldens you then we all know you have a possible problem with #3 below.
#2 You ran out of kotexes this morning when went you went to the bathroom and you realized you are really not a women...after you looked in the mirror and the wig you were wearing was hanging off the backside of your head with your lipstick and mascara were smudged and running and the beard showed through your rouge. Go figure buddy LOL. That's about as much as I believe your verbal assaults and attacking constantly 24/7 ful lcourt presses with negative barrages on a daily basis on the company and the management.
3. Your not regular on a daily basis and everytime you post here it is because your bowels are swollen and red with major irritation. Everytime you post that's what I'' think forever LOL...everytime I read these posts attacking Joe, BDGR and Lou on here I just howl because you and a few others stick out so bad that you can be scene from the Space Shuttle orbiting the earth. I'm as happy as life can be...you on the other hand are a very miserable human being. Get a life! But we all know you have none because with every stroke on your keyboard your burying yourself in more poop than you can scoop LOL.
The Mav
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Ranks right up there with : "Lanza is a good family man."
We should EACH send Fannel an email and tell him why they can't afford to wash the windows and remove the unsightly bugs.....
Can't tell - there's no name at the bottom....
Press Release Source: Black Dragon Resource Companies, Inc.
Black Dragon Announces September Sales
Wednesday October 3, 8:00 am ET
OIL CITY, LA--(MARKET WIRE)--Oct 3, 2007 -- Black Dragon Resource Companies, Inc. (Other OTC:BDGR.PK - News) ("the Company," "Dragon") announced today that the Company produced in the month of September 6,323 barrels and shipped 4,420 barrels. Dragon had 10 leases with oil that was not picked up, which represent a total of 1,181.04 barrels. These figures do not count any gas sales. However, Management goals were close, if the oil had been picked up (5,601.04). Oil was picked up off of 40 separate leases.
This shows that the Company will not be profitable in September as hoped. Cash on cash the Dragon will be short around $77,000.00, which can be made up in operations.
Dragon will be looking to acquire more shares in the month of October with prices this low. The Company will do its best to acquire another 500,000 to 1 million or more shares.
Production per average well is still around .669% of a barrel. Dragon has 3200 plus barrels of sellable oil in the stock tanks. These figures will be updated every month.
Lastly, the Dragon has replaced a couple of dozen tanks. These tanks were drained, and the oil now sits in large storage tanks; oil, gunk known as BS and water. The tanks range from 200 to 500 barrels. This month Dragon plans to start cleaning these storage tanks and by this work, will hopefully add an additional 500 to 600 barrels a month.
About Black Dragon:
Black Dragon Resource Companies, Inc. is an oil and gas exploration and production company currently focused on the acquisition of mature, producing and existing domestic oil and gas fields. This focus has eliminated exploration risk, reduced costs of completion, and provided rapid generation of income in a niche market where larger independent and major oil companies are not positioned to compete. Black Dragon intends to recomplete additional shallow producing wells and to expand its focus to include drilling of new wells some to deeper levels and to purchase additional leases.
Forward-Looking Statements:
Certain information discussed in this press release may constitute forward-looking statements within the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and the federal securities laws. Although Black Dragon believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions at the time made, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to unpredictable and unanticipated risks, trends and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, the continued production of gas at historical rates, costs of operations, delays, oil and gas reserves and revenues to be derived therefrom, plans to drill additional oil and gas wells, acquisition of additional oil or gas leases, maintaining mineral lease rights, continued maintenance of the oil field and properties, price of oil and gas, marketing and sales of oil and gas produced, government regulation, future financial and operational results, competition, general economic conditions, and the ability to manage continued growth. In addition, the Company's ability to produce audited financial statements, its ability to accurately forecast its operating results, and its ability to achieve profitability or generate positive cash flow are uncertain. Black Dragon assumes no obligation to update or supplement forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements.
Contact:
Contact:
Black Dragon Resource Companies, Inc.
318-995-0710
bdgr@bellsouth.net
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Source: Black Dragon Resource Companies, Inc.
Anyone who has not yet spoken with Mike Ellis yet, should do so.
A few folks have already confirmed the same sets of information - as stated by Ellis.
Anyone who believes an audit will be forthcoming NEEDS to hear from Mike.
And, everyone needs to know why Lanza chose Zorne as his CFO!
Lastly, everyone needs to know what assets BD has.
Far be it for me to post real information here and be blasted by half a dozen (pumpers and bashers) again accusing me of having some absurd motive.
Post # 6359 was not far off the mark!
Hey - Remember these fine words? "I will not be back." (referring to posting here - not to his active role with BD)
Gentlemen:
Mr. Lanza asked me to post the following to this board and I am doing so at his request.
Gary Zorne
Lou:
This is the only time I will appear on this forum. But, you are not giving a clear picture and the investors are being totally misled by your posts.
1. You never had a “watch” on Dragon. You are and were an outside Director, brought on so the Board would have a shareholder voice. All you gave was your opinion – usually off base, because you do not understand the oil and gas business.
2. As far as my resigning from the Presidency, I stepped aside because Large money was hesitant in coming in because of my IRS problems and conviction for failure to file. Not because of you!
3. Michael Ellis was voted on as President and it took 3 votes.
4. Lastly – Shareholders! Stop and think! Lou stated that he demanded that all operations stop except to work on the wells going down and NOT to put on any new wells on our leases in operation.
How dumb is dumb? We have 550 plus wells on pump. We own over 1200 Bore Holes. We have over another 100 leases to work on. If we followed Lou’s direction, we could lose half of our underlying value. They do not give away oil and gas leases – you pay BIG money for good properties. We are talking Tens of Millions or more in Lost Lease Properties. We are a Development Company.
Mr. Ellis sees a lot of deep reserves that the majors never drilled, and Lou says stop going forward and improving the company net worth. He wants to get the Company Cash Flow to meet expenses. Please! You stop – you shrink in value. I have told this to Lou, but he hears only what he wants to believe.
Mike Ellis sees the big picture. I do not agree with him on all things, but all in all, we the shareholders of Black Dragon are Lucky to have him. People like Lou would bankrupt this Company.
As far as myself - I am not stupid. I would not give 5 years of work and Billions of Dollars in Oil Value away. Let Mike do his thing for the next 3 to 5 years and see how much money you make. The Lanza’s put a good package of leases together. Now, let him put modern technology to work and convert this to cash in our pockets.
Lastly, you folks should not have had the ability to buy Dragon under 75 cents a share – here it is at 5 cents. A stamp costs more. As oil prices are over $80.00 a barrel and going higher – you folks should be buying these shares up like crazy and taking delivery. I am not a Broker – this is my personal opinion.
This is what Lou should be telling you, he has been out here – He has talked to the people – this is a REAL DEAL – Mark my words, the Dragon could change your life. $50,000 buys a million shares; $10,000 buys 200,000 shares.
We could sell 2 leases and bring in around 5 cents a share or more – we currently have 130 leases and 100 additional leases to put on line. You do the figuring – Lou can’t.
I will not be back. The future will prove me right.
Did everybody see the June 30, 2007 Financials on Pink Sheets? Did you notice that Shareholder Equity went up to 10 Million from 7 Million? How many Companies show that kind of increase in Net Worth?
That was on my watch Lou.
Joe
FAR FROM IT!
In all probability, the trial will be postponed tomorrow.
Odd you would say that, but....
Two unknowns here:
(1) Who knows how many shares are controlled by the current BOD, including all the Lanzas, from Joe to Janyne, to Mario, to the grandkiddies, on down? Is it more than enough? (better yet, who knows how many shares are currently outstanding?)
(2) Does anyone know that the M&B audit will be an SEC compliant audit? Or, will it be a simple, routine audit review of operational numbers as provided by BD - with office receipts as evidenciary material.
An SEC compliant audit is both extensive and expensive. Of course, no one bothered to ask Barry M (CFO) which type of audit M&B was conducting.....Oh wait! Lou, Ed, and I did when we met Barry for lunch. I believe his response was, "No."
Some time later he posted here that we should understand the reason(s) why Lanza did NOT want an audit to go forward - and ask Lanza why he refused to pay for it.
I beleive Barry M also stated, at the time of his resignation, that he could no longer trust BD's management to do the right thing, nor could he expect any production numbers stated by the company to be true. I wonder what Mr. Zorne (CFO) would reply to those same questions today.
Knowing the answers to either of these two questions will go a long way in understanding 'what is what'.
But, even forgetting ALL of that, who can verify what the prior month's production numbers were for BD? And, more importantly, how much revenue (ie % of that production) did BD receive from that production.
Are the 1,000 stripper wells worth anything or were they simply fodder for Lanza to promote his fraudulent scheme?
Even that aside, we know suitors are interested in BD's DEEP Drilling rights...that may well be where the growth in production and Profits will come from.
Can new technology be utilized to extract additional oil from any/many/most of the stripper wells as suggested?
Lots and lots of unanswered questions.
-If an audit reveals past malfeasance - no surprise to any of us.
-I an audit reveals past production well below stated numbers in BD past Press Releases - No surprise there.
-If an audit reveals discrepancy after discrepancy in stated data versus actual - No surprise there.
-If the audit reveals a Lanza cash cow or two or three for his other companies (Four Star, Petrol, etc, etc) - No surprise there.
Given that, of what import is the audit of 2005 and 2006 to anyone? Eh? Think about that for a minute or two -
Now, how about current production -
How about current cash flow status -
How about the installation of efficient operations and the end of Lanza cash cows -
How about the end of nepotism and the implemplementation of cost controls, including realistic pay for defined services - How about the things that are far more important than 2005 and 2006 numbers -
Methinks we all know what has occured in the recent past, and we are all screaming for updates on today's events.
When we see those updates, we can absolutely forget about the past crap from RM & JL and look forward to tomorrow. None of that prior garbage will mean anything (excepting lawsuits and criminal charges).
Reminds me of a bank being embezzled by one of its employees. The bank would rather eat the loss and terminate the employee quietly, than embarass the bank, lose reputation, and risk losing customers. Heck, a bank would likely give the employee a great reference and hope he goes to work for a competitor of theirs. BD is clearly better off without RM & the L's. The lack of any embarassing headline will help them secure future funding and attract moralistic employees, not to mention running the risk of losing investor confidence.
Everything I see from here on out has no resemblance to the L Regime and past fraudulent activities.
BTW, not that it matters, I have learned nothing to suggest that Joe Lanza is not a good family man. Lou did get that right!
Happy Wednesday!
A B S O L U T E L Y ! ! ! ! ! ! !
No support for Lanza from me - none at all, given his longevity of lying and deception.
I was gratified to see that Lou, despite his lack of understanding of his role as an 'outside director' actually prohibiting him from gaining any factual knowledge of the day to day and month to month happenings - did his best to represent us.
Explains why he was never able to get answers to the most basic questions - he was not part of the loop and its now clear that the real management didn't consider him in their decisions.
Hands tied, face covered, ear muffs in place, and gagged, there wasn't a whole lot he could do for us. T'would appear, as stated earlier, that Lou was installed to placate us (shareholders who screaming for updates, an audit, etc) and nothing more.
Does the term "presidential press aide" come to mind? Go forth young man or woman and tell the American people what they want to hear - just don't tell them anything substantive, or anything that could cause consternation - I'll feed you lies - you won't know they're lies - just repeat them. I'll get you some discounts on stock for yuour efforts. What are you doing for dinner this evening?
If you thought I was in any way supporting Lanza - HA!
Well - I'm certainly glad you were there to type for Joe - I understand his eyesight is not the best and he rarely uses a PC. Obviously the post was addressed to Lou with some very interesting comments for us all to digest. My thanks to you both for sharing these insights, it does explain quite a bit.
"you are not giving a clear picture and the investors are being totally misled by your posts."
Somehow that has a familiar ring...Do you think that is because of what Lou was or was not conveying?
"1. You never had a “watch” on Dragon. You are and were an outside Director, brought on so the Board would have a shareholder voice. All you gave was your opinion – usually off base, because you do not understand the oil and gas business.""
So, Lou saw his outside director role as something greater than you had intended?
"2. As far as my resigning from the Presidency, I stepped aside because Large money was hesitant in coming in because of my IRS problems and conviction for failure to file. Not because of you!"
I think most of us knew that was clearly the case.
"4. Lastly – Shareholders! Stop and think! Lou stated that he demanded that all operations stop except to work on the wells going down and NOT to put on any new wells on our leases in operation. How dumb is dumb? We have 550 plus wells on pump. We own over 1200 Bore Holes. We have over another 100 leases to work on. If we followed Lou’s direction, we could lose half of our underlying value."
Likely so stated due a lack of knowing the oil business as you referenced.
"Mr. Ellis sees a lot of deep reserves that the majors never drilled, and Lou says stop going forward and improving the company net worth. He wants to get the Company Cash Flow to meet expenses. Please! You stop – you shrink in value. I have told this to Lou, but he hears only what he wants to believe."
I have witnessed that same occurance many times. Deafness trumps integrity every time.
"People like Lou would bankrupt this Company."
Despite this, he remained a Director?
"You do the figuring – Lou can’t."
Harsh, but perhaps accurate. I guess we all needed to know more sooner, and still do.
Hopefully you will continue to post, if not for Joe or from Joe, but for all BDGR shareholders who are starved for accurate and timely information.
The more we all know, the sooner we know it, the sooner we'll feel comfortable with our BDGR stock purchases and commit additional funds.
I'm sure you've seen the myriad of questions being bandied about - from how many shares out, to when the audit will be finished, to when we can expect to begin to see monthly
production figures on a regular basis, etc. Anything you can provide in the realm of public information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
I'll yield to your obvious higher intellect and capacity for proactively seeking the truth.
Let me know when you find it.
Or - Let's all call BD and see what we can learn......
Or - Let's check with someone in Oil City who is knowledgeable regarding oil pick up from certain tanks....
Or - Let's all check in with the local oil drillers and see what they might know regarding certain specific areas of drilling activity/inactivity.....
Or - better yet - let's all pretend that:
(1) Nothing is happening,
(2) No one knows what's happening
(3) Mr Ellis chose to work for BD because he has an incredible desire to be associated with criminals and failed enterprises...
(4) Not one single company or group of investors has the slightest interest in purchasing Lanza's worthless properties..
(5) The reason no news has been forthcoming is because there is no news to forthcome...
(6) Mike Ellis is married to Jayne's sister
That way, we don't have to concern ourselves with wondering about real facts, be they good or bad.
I like the way you think Spunky......might make for a good sitcom...
A long term pessimist - I am NOT. I bought this stock based on PR's that I innocently believed were accurate and represented a strong potential for growth for BD.
Subsequently, as we all found out, the PRs were laced with lies and misrepresentations. My Pessimism came (and quickly grew) as a result of thoroughly researching Lanza's background, and seeing what an absolute crook this individual was.
After meeting with Barry M (Acting CFO at the time) I cmae to realize that no amount of good intention and management expertise could alter Lanza's M.O. of consistent fraud and deceipt. I firmly believed the Lanza family fund could not be breached by an outsider.
I sold. (keeping enough for legal representation)
I bought back when the stock was around $.09 (after it had rebounded from the .05 -.06 range). I did so because every indication was that Lanza would soon be ousted, and the company would grow (or not) based on their actual assets.
Of course, I had NO IDEA what assets they might actually own or control, given all the lies, unanswered questions, and constant deception.
Of the 1,000 wells that Lanza acquired, how many would ever yield anything productive? Of the ones that would, what percentage of that production would BD actually own or control? Just what was the potential for BD? Were they simply a mechanism to funnel funds to Lanza and his wonderful family?
Certainly NOTHING emaninating from the company was any where near believable, so I sought some truth elsewhere.
Now, with Mr. Ellis at the helm, and many operational and structural changes brewing, my faith has been completely restored. Many changes are coming - some are already in place.
Mr. Ellis may not have known all when he took this job - he certainly does now - but, he has been given the task. With multiple offers on the table and others being considered, the choice is his - to sell all or part, or to manage to profitability.
Either way, the current price is ridiculously low.
Instead of all the crap that permeates this board, I'd much rather see everyone doing some calling, reading, and other research as to what is happening in Oil City - and then sharing what they learn. Between those who love to accuse, challenge, attack, and condemn, and those who post lovely "I think" thoughts, the board has deteriorated to a point where it is no longer realistic to expect to read anything of note.
The absence of any credible data from anyone at BD is obscene.
Answers to the simplest, basic business questions are not forthcoming. If I can get this information, any one can. The fact that no one is officially sharing that data is a concern.
Gary Zorne makes his quarterly appearance on the baord and then fades into silent oblivion. Who appointed Zorne? I rest muy case.
I have high Optimism for BD.
I maintain great Pessimism for the likes of Lanza and anyone he personally chose to do business with.
Still frothing I see:
"And though you think you may know all the ways I get my information, I assure you, you only know what we have discussed."
I neither know nor can I guess at what methods you employ to gather information. You seem quite content to banter while I'm content to try to get more verifiable data.
C'est la vie.
Soso - Ellis and Lanza are akin to Oil and Water. (Ellis being Oil and rising to the top). There is NO love lost.
On the attack mode again, I see.
There you go again -
"that you claim to be so good at"
See if they offer remedial reading near where you live. I claim only to do diligence - never said I was good at it.
Get a hobby, it might relieve some of your obvious stress and distress.
BTW...Lanza IS gone, in case you hadn't noticed.
Much like Spunky, you are prone to atack, accuse, challenge, label, etc. Shall I post another fact and have you two go bonkers again?
Reference your marvelous posts after I posted I had indeed learned what the number of shares out were - Data that was not forthcoming from our illustrious Director. Data that was easily confirmed but no one attemted to verify.
Some prefer to search for the truth, seek out the facts, verify, - others prefer to exercise their fingers on the nearest keyboard to accost.
Gotta ask yourself the question -
Exactly. Right on. Too bad others can't see that light.
Since YOU seem to desire the last word so much, I'll let you have it.
Spunky, that was my line to you.
In every post you expose your LACK of knowledge to the nth degree. (including your perception of Barry M and what he brought to the table)
I have no ego. If I did I certainly wouldn't be responding to your silly posts.
When no one knew or bothered to find out how many shares of BD stock were out there - I did - and I posted what I found.
If you think that's being claivoyant, that may well explain your frustrated posts. Of course, when I did post what I found out about the 99M share count - several posters (charts and his kind) went on their own personal tirades.
I have posted many facts about BD, as I learned and confirmed them. I have been labeled a basher and a pumper. What facts have you posted?
Since you much prefer to accuse, name call, and challenge, I'll leave those fun things to you.
I'll keep trying to learn all I can about BD's current status.
Happy Friday.
SPUNKY, YOU ARE SO ILL INFORMED AT THIS POINT IT MAY JUST BE POINTLESS TRYING TO EDUCATE YOU.
FYI: Mr. Ellis is doing all the things we had hoped would have happened LONG before this. The FACT that he has not opted to include Lou (or any other inherited director or employee) in the loop of evolving events is no mystery. (well then again, maybe it is to you)
The next alert you see from Mr. Ellis will be very welcome news to us all. (even you, if you are a shareholder)
If you believe for one nanosecond that Mr. Ellis is friends with Lanza, you could NOT be more wrong. That is the very essence of your TOTAL misunderstanding of what is taking place at BD.
Your lack of ANY semblance of accurate knowledge of what is now occuring at BD is simply mind boggling.
Instead of your personal challenges, accusations, and outright belligerant behavior, why don't you at least try to become better informed as to what's happening performing something called due diligence. You might just like what you find out.
Your comment: "Lou is our man, but appears to have been cast out of the inner circle. That in itself should tell you that he is a good guy. The fact that Lou has his hands tied should tell you that your current BDGR management could give two pieces of anything about you or any other share holder."
Really dumb. Mr. Ellis is avoiding all Lanza appointees, Lanza personal friends, etc,in his daily decisions. I would do the same thing - not knowing who Lou is, what Lou represents, what Lou has tried to do, and Lou's own personal stake in the financial well being of the company. He has NOT tied Lou's hands, as you suggest. He is ignoring Lanza's appointees as they are, to him, just that - Lanza appointees.
For my money, I admire all that Mr. Ellis has done to date, and is planning to finalize in the near term. Given what he inherited, and the investment community's perception of BD,
he certainly has his work cut out for him. He knows what needs to be done, and is well on his way to executing.
As for Dragonman - he appears to be merely stating his concerns for the very same things that your complaining questions are seeking answers to.
You clearly have no idea, not even the REMOTEST CLUE as what is transpiring right now. If that upsets you - do some of your own diligence - or simply wait for the next few forthcoming announcements.
My guess would be that Mr. Ellis has found himself knee-deep in ykw (uncovering, discovering, and otherwise finding out that all he thought he may have known is really BS perpetrated and misrepresented by our buddy Lanza).
Now he looks at the staff and directors of the company - all Lanza appointees and he really has to take stock of what he's inherited. Best option - clean house - rid the company of the inefficiencies, misrepresenters, and any nepotism that might exist. (not to mention Petrol & Four Star contracts)
Starting fresh gives BD the chance it needs. Lou, likely, has not been a personal favorite of Mr. Ellis (1) He WAS put there by Lanza, and (2) Lou DID refer to Lanza as a Good Family Man. Neither could have impressed Mr. Ellis. That. in itself, may explain quite rapidly, why Lou has not been forthcoming with any data on BD - he may be completely out of the Ellis loop. (We are all known by who we associate with and Mr. Ellis only knows the Lanza-Lou relationship was instigated by Lanza. What else is there to consider - knowing Lanza's propensity for deceit and fraud?
A temporary director, appointed by the COB, can be removed by the company. There was no shareholder vote to add new directors. Perhaps, Mr. Ellis has already acted in that regard?
JMMHO, of course.
Oui Micky, Oui!
Hmmmmm....since GOOD news is typically released and willing shared.....
So Solly Soso...
He only able to provide data on Petrol and Four Star at this time.
Maybe latah....
Despite numerous attempts by countless investors searching for accurate information - PUBLIC information at that, Black Dragon, and You (yes you) have been either utterly inept, eggregiously incompetent, or simply unresponsive to those requests.
As a result, some of us (me included) have had to repeatedly call, often visit, and obtain information the old fashioned way.
You have demonstrated your own capacity, WELL before you became a temporary director, to conceal information that you likely deemed negative in nature. You were willing to share some of that data with selected individuals (me included) and when I shared that same information with the board and others, you became incensed.
"I'll be the last person you share the share count with." Well, I shared it with everyone because the information was readily available.
"You don't know the July production numbers."
If I believe that statement, it makes you look completely foolish, since everyone now knows the July production number.
Either you don't want to share that data, or you haven't seen any reason to. Save the thunder for the actual PR release? Sure, why not, but for heaven's sake - state THAT is the reason why you haven't publicly stated the numbers - instead of looking unresponsive or totally ignorant of the facts - It might send a message that you do represent the shareholders and that you are knowledgeable of the facts. Certainly better than sharing limited info with a limited audience. JMMHO, of course.
You can't have it both ways, Lou. Try as you might, the word Integrity does not fit you.
Right back at ya fella.
Be very careful what you say and to whom you say it. And those shares you recently acquired...very interesting timely purchase for a director...Got a mirror?
Oh, just FTR, I am not needling.