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One of the top longs on the HSM IDWD board says PillsburyDoughboyFatrickDowns and Bill Scott have already fled to Dubai.
Today, 10:55 AM #1347
vslick
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I am not a basher. But do to the numerous pr's,stock manipulation and outright lies.I have reduced my position considerabbly.I would like to see a copy of the deal the insiders made and if they have received their goodies.Someone should request this under the freedom of imformation act.They should freeze the bank accounts of HLS until this matter is settled.Downsie and Scott have moved to Dubai and are un-touchable by the sec.
Beautiful synopsis. There is no doubt in my mind that the Fatman Downs has been a scamming gluttonous pig when it has come to raking in investor's money.
I don't post here much anymore but I do believe the end game of the IDWD story will have the same result his past charades have had. The money will have transferred from investor hands to his pocket.
If you read carefully the sick demented posts of underhandedvalueDowns on the HSM board, you will detect an utter contempt for all who have invested with him. He says he deserves the total rake and everyone else deserves nothing. He has said this more than once, so it is not hard to understand his mindset.
Downs is a criminal of the worst kind and anyone who supports him in his effort to steal from newbies is a criminal too.
All of this crap is unjustified. FaTRICKS Clowns is nothing but a scammmer
JMH I'm not sure who you are or what your real experience in life is. I can tell you this, though. If you are out running around trying to sell a product to the US Government which does not meet labeling laws, you have a problem.
I can not imagine selling anything that I could not tell the customer (especially the Government) where it is made. You aren't in on some kind of scam here are you? Call US Customs yourself. Ask them about it.
You say you do not know where they are made. There should be a label on them. As in "Made in China" or "Made in Terrorland". Something like that. It's the law.
How is Downs getting those flash drives through US Customs if they aren't labeled? Is he running a smuggling ring on top of all the other criminal activity he has been involved in? Someone should call US Customs and notify them
JesusPower making an appeal to Bill Gates to put his money under Rufus's management. How did Rufus find these simpleton people?
http://blog.myspace.com/jdfrazier
"...Conversion Solutions is an asset management company that does just that, manages assets for other companies. They have 17 Sub and Joint venture companies under their corporate umbrella and are only expected to grow. Their name is Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation (CSHC), their website is www.cvsu.us, and their ticker symbol is CSHD.
They show the SUPER Rich, Bill Gates, etc., how the banks charge 80-100 million/year just to insure their billions in the institution, but if Bill were to put his Billions in CVSU's asset management company, they will save him that $ and make him that much each year, with the outlook for greater profit appearing Excellent. Who wouldn't go for this?..."
Metals starting to pick up again in a big way. Gold broke through 611 resistance. Silver attacking 12.50. The major metal stocks are breaking out to the upside and some juniors like RGL:D breaking out.
The microcap miners should follow soon. Watch for a dollar breakdown after the elections are over and the FED stops supporting.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15440.htm
The Dollar's Full-System Meltdown
By Mike Whitney
10/30/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- The U.S. Dollar is kaput. Confidence in the currency is eroding by the day.
A report in The Sydney Morning Herald stated, “Australia’s Treasurer Peter Costello has called on East Asia’s central bankers to ‘telegraph’ their intentions to diversify out of American investments and ensure an ‘orderly adjustment’….Central banks in China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Hong Kong have channeled immense foreign reserves into American government bonds, helping to prop up the US dollar and hold down interest rates,’ said Costello, but ‘the strategy has changed.’”
Indeed, the strategy has changed. The world has come to its senses and is moving away from the green slip of paper that is currently mired in $8.3 trillion of debt.
The central banks now want to reduce their USD reserves while trying to do as little damage to their own economies as possible. That’ll be difficult. If a sell-off ensues, it will start a stampede for the exits.
There’s little hope of an “orderly adjustment” as Costello opines; that’s just false optimism. When the greenback begins listing; things will turn helter-skelter quickly.
In September, we saw early signs that the dollar was in trouble. The trade deficit registered at $70 billion but the Net Foreign Security Purchases (NFSP) came in at a paltry $33 billion. That means that our main trading partners are no longer buying back our debt which puts downward pressure on the greenback. The Fed had two choices; either raise interest rates substantially or let the currency fall. Given the tenuous condition of the housing bubble and the proximity of the midterm elections, the Fed did neither.
A month later, in October, the trade deficit hit $69.9 billion but, then, without warning, a miracle occurred. The Net Foreign Security Purchases skyrocketed to a “historic high” of $116.8 billion; covering both months’ shortfalls almost to the penny.
Coincidence?
Not likely. Either the skittish central banks decided to “stock up” on their dollar-denominated investments or the Federal Reserve (and their banking-buddies) is buying back its own debt to float us through the elections.
This is exactly the kind of hanky-panky that people expected when Greenspan stopped publishing the M-3 last March keeping the rest of us in the dark about what was really going on with the money supply.
Are we supposed to believe that the skeptical central banks suddenly doubled up on their T-Bills while they’re (publicly) moaning about the dollar’s weakness and threatening to diversify?
That’s a stretch.
According to the Wall Street Journal the Chinese Central-bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan stated unequivocally that “We think we’ve got enough.” The Chinese presently have nearly $1 trillion in USD and US Treasuries.
“Enough”?
The United States runs a $200 billion per year trade deficit with China. If they’ve “got enough” we’re dead-ducks. After all, it doesn’t take a sell-off to kill the dollar, just unwillingness on the part of the main players to stop purchasing at the same rate.
Of course, everyone in Washington already knew that doomsday was approaching. That’s the way the system was designed from the very beginning. It’s all part of the madcap scheme to “starve the beast” and transfer the nation’s wealth to a handful of western plutocrats. That’s explains why the Fed and the White House whirred along like two spokes on the same wheel; every policy calculated to thrust the country headlong toward disaster.
The administration never created a funding mechanism for the $400 million tax cuts or for the 35% expansion of the Federal government. Defense spending increased by leaps and bounds as did the “no-bid” contracts for friends of the Bush clan. At the same time, interest rates were lowered to rock-bottom to put as much money as possible into the hands of people who couldn’t meet the traditional criteria for a mortgage. And, if gluttonous waste, reckless overspending and “Mickey Mouse” loans were not enough; the Fed capped it off by doubling the money supply in 7 years; a surefire prescription for hyper-inflation.
So, which one of these policies was not deliberate?
The financial crisis that we now face was created by design. It is intended to destroy the labor movement, crush the middle class, quash Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, reduce our foreign debt by 50 or 60%, force a restructuring of America’s debt, privatize all public assets and resources, and create a new regime of austerity measures which will divert more wealth to the banking and corporate establishments.
The avatars of neoliberalism invariably use crooked politicians to spawn enormous “unsustainable” debt so that the nations’ riches can be transferred to ruling elites. It works the same everywhere. It’s a form of corporate colonization, only this time the victim is the good old USA.
“The Phase of Impact”
According to Richard Daughty in his prescient article “The Phase of Impact” the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Dept have already manned the battle-stations. Here’s an excerpt:
“Mr. Paulson, the Secretary of the Treasury, is, by virtue of his ascension to the throne, now the head of the shadowy President’s Working Group of Financial Markets (which was created by Presidential Order 12631) and he is insisting that they meet more often, namely every 6 weeks!
This whole Working Group thing was originally set up as a fallback, ad-hoc, if-then defense to deal with possible economic emergencies, but now they are routinely meeting every 6 weeks. He has even ordered Jim Wilkinson, his chief of staff, to ‘oversee the creation of a Treasury Command Center to track markets world-wide and serve as an operations base in a crisis”! (Wall Street Journal) World-wide!! The American government is moving to take control of the world-wide economy as the result of an anticipated crisis? Yikes!”
Daughty goes on to say: “So a lot of the hubbub is obviously being caused by some approaching upheaval, perhaps reflected in something sent to me by Phil S., which is the Global Europe Anticipation Bulletin No8 which reminded us that last May they predicted that the economy would have a ‘phase of acceleration’ that would begin in June, and it “would be spread out over a period of a maximum of 6 months’, which it subsequently did. They said then, and are saying again now, that a ‘phase of impact will begin in November 2006’, and that this impact phase would be the ‘explosive phase of the crisis’.
This ‘phase of impact’ that is due to begin momentarily is, they explain, ‘a period when a series of brutal crises starts affecting by contamination the total system. This explosive phase of the crisis, which will last 6 months to one year, will affect directly and very strongly financial players and markets, the owners of investment schemes with fixed incomes in dollars, pension funds and the strategic relations between the United States on the one side, and Europe and Asia on the other.” (Richard Daughty; “The Phase of Impact” Kitco.com)
Predictions, of course, are rarely reliable and Daughty’s scenario may be a bit too apocalyptic for many. But if we accept the premise that the tax cuts, the expansion of the federal government, the doubling of the money supply, and the $10 trillion that was sluiced into the housing bubble were not merely “honest mistakes” made by “supply side” enthusiasts; then we must assume that this is all part of a loony plan to demolish the economic foundation-blocks of the current system and remake society from the ground up.
Domestically, that plan appears to involve the activation of the police state.
In the last few weeks the Bush administration has passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which allows the president to arrest and torture whomever he chooses without charging him with a crime. Also, unbeknownst to most Americans, Bush signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy, will allow the president to unilaterally declare martial law. By changing The Insurrection Act, Bush has essentially overturned the Posse Comitatus Act which bars the president from deploying troops with the United States. The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007 (as it is called) also allows Bush to take control of the National Guard which has always been under the purview of the state governors. Bush now has absolute power over all armed troops within the country, a state of affairs which the constitution purposely tried to prevent. The administration’s dream of militarizing the country under the sole authority of the executive has now been achieved although the public still has no idea that a coup that has taken place.
Internationally, the falling dollar means that America’s debt will be reduced proportionate to the percentage-loss of the dollar in relation to other currencies. This is a great deal for the U.S. First the Fed prints fiat money to buy valuable resources and manufactured goods and then it nabs a discount by depreciating its currency. It’s a “win-win” situation for Washington, although it will undoubtedly cheat unwitting foreign-creditors out of their hard-earned profits. It’s doubtful that their interests will weigh very heavily on the money-lenders at the US Treasury or the Federal Reserve.
The dollar faces a second crisis at home which is bound to play out throughout 2007. The $10 trillion dollar housing bubble is quickly losing air causing a precipitous drop in GDP. The housing industry is seeing its steepest decline in 30 years and home equity is beginning to shrivel. Housing has been the one bright spot in an otherwise bleak economic landscape. With the housing market slowing down and prices decreasing, the $600 billion of consumer spending which was extracted in 2005 from home equity will quickly evaporate triggering an overall slowdown in the economy. (Consumer spending is 70% of GDP)
By the Fed’s own calculations; “The total amount of residential housing wealth in the US just about doubled between 1999 and 2006 up from $10.4 trillion to $20.4 trillion. (“Times Online”) If these figures are accurate than we can assume that much of America’s “perceived” growth has been nothing more than the expansion of debt. In fact, that seems to be the case. Wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, 3 million manufacturing jobs have been outsourced, savings have shrunk to below 0%, and personal debt is soaring. We have become an “asset-based” society and when the principle asset begins to loose its value, we are in deep trouble. As housing prices continue to decline through 2007 we can expect a full-blown recession. If energy prices rear their ugly head again, (were they lowered for the elections?) it will just be that much worse.
So, how will recession affect the dollar?
Capital has no loyalties. It follows the markets. When America’s bustling consumer market stalls, we’ll undergo capital flight just like everywhere else. The 3 million lost manufacturing jobs, the 200,000 lost high-paying high-tech jobs, the tax incentives for major corporations doing business outside the country; all signal that corporate America has already loaded the boats and is headed for more promising markets in Asia and Europe. A sluggish consumer market could further weaken the dollar and force Americans to begin saving again but, (and here’s the surprising part) the decision-makers at the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Dept don’t really care if the face-value of the greenback goes down anyway.
What really matters is that the dollar retains its position as the world’s reserve currency. That allows the Federal Reserve to continue to print the money, set the interest rates, and control the global economic system. The dollar presently accounts for 66% of foreign currency reserves in central banks across the globe, an increase of nearly 10% in one decade alone. The dollar has become the international currency, a de-facto monopoly. This is the goal of the globalists and the American ruling elite who dream of one system, the dollar-system; with us running it.
So, how will this cadre of plutocrats coerce the other nations to continue to use the dollar while it plummets from its perch?
Oil.
As long as oil is denominated in dollars, the central banks will be forced to stockpile American scrip regardless of its value. It’s no different than holding a gun to someone’s head. They will use our debt-plagued greenbacks or their cars and trucks will sputter, their tractors and factories will wheeze, and their economies will grind to a halt. It’s just that simple.
America cannot maintain its superpower status unless it continues to control the global economic system. That means the linkage between the dollar and oil must be preserved. The Bush troupe sees this as an existential issue upon which the future of America’s ruling class depends. By 2020, 60% of the world’s oil will come from the Middle East. Bush will do everything in his power to control the resources of the Caspian Basin, thereby expanding US dollar-hegemony and paving the way for a new American century
I've been on the phone all afternoon looking for a way to short this thing into oblivion as soon as it reopens. I finally found a place in Belize that said they could short the hell out of it through Euroclear.
They said there seems to be millions of shares available to borrow in Europe. I'l bet it's those offshore funds who were dumping the stock obtained from the original CVSU
Someone needs to cut off the crack supply to the fried egg brains at HSM
Today, 08:15 PM #6901
animalMOTHER
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen
It was up to the SEC to get a deposition from Euroclear that the bonds are not real and they would not give a deposition to that. Conversion has shown the bonds are real but the SEC has not been able to prove the bonds are not real and that is good news. That should explain the post from yesterday and goes to show the validity of the bonds in question.
LOL
Told you their shits WEAK.
WIZZZZEEEEAK
Also according to that old presentaion, Downs was an investment counseling genius. It forgot to mention, however that he was convicted of stock fraud and nearly all that he counseled sued him for grand theft and fraud.
I think it also mentioned that he invented the phone card LMAO!
It mentioned that he was one of the Gay Old Party's businessmen of the year. It forgot to mention one gets that award for giving money to child predators like Representive Foley. hmm. Maybe that explains Jagvik's and phatboi's age.
Hey sparky. If you are trying to harvest IPs why don't you just come over to my house and forget the court trip? I have beaten them all when they tried that crap.
Let's do it like men instead. It will save you some money even if you do have to leave on a stretcher.
Idiot.
So tell us Jag. Was it Jagvik the son, or Jagvik the father who announced to the HSM board you were going for broke with Rufus? lol!
I can't say I really care which one of the two Jagvik12s has lost his shirt. It was bound to happen eventually. I hope you gagged appropriately when you realized Alexander has your money courtesy of those offshare hedgefunds. Or haven't you? Get a load of those pictures from the impromptu shareholders meeting. See how Mrs. Alexander is smiling and laughing? lol! She should be. She has your MONEY
My aunt, who was involved in politics, always used to say, "the smeller's the feller". Another way of putting it is "he who smelt it dealt it". When you hear a con man bitching about some mythical enemy, chances are it is his own actions he trying to cover for. Hopefully you are really a kid and can ;learn something from all of this instead of some old fool your kid has now learned is an idiot and not someone to be emulated.
Today, 05:00 PM #9
jagvik12
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Originally Posted by JonEcash
A fresh new thread, could mean a fresh new move for the pps. Still here with a bunch of IDWD and HLS shares. Don't post too much here, just waiting for pay day. Cheers to the longs!
Nice to see you still around Jon! For the first time, I was going to flip for more IDWd shares, but I may miss the boat here with majority of funds tied up... funny how this works out...but still sitting on a bounty of HLS shares that will make up for it if I miss the buyout.
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Jagvik is like all the other crazed lunatics who have followed the Pied Piper Rufus to their financial graves. He blames Miles, the Messenger instead of Rufus, the perp.
Does it surprise you that people such as Jag also support the convicted swindler Downs?
A couple of more stocks down the line, and Jag will be living at the Salvation Army. He likes to feed his dollars to con men.
Personally, I think the stock will reopen on the grey market. It will probably be something like bid 5 cents, ask 50 cents. In a couple of months, it will all be a bad memory for those who got caught long.
If it helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and blame your foolishness for believing a nut case like Rufus on someone else.
In the end, however, you should come to realize it is the guy you see in the mirror who is most responsible for your inevitable loses.
nope Wait a minute. I see you are in BCIT too. Some people are natural marks for con men
Dude. Get a life. This is pure entertainment. Miami Vice kind of stuff. Just getting to read crazy crap like you just posted has made my evening.
Not much longer now. The election is one week away and crude trying to pick up slowly. This one will see another big run once the crude gets going again. The lower prices are an electioneering scam.
I'm up on this again. lol What a great trader. It's a little slow but the payoffs are big. I think this time we break through .25 and run.
This was posted on the HSM board by a guy who must be taking LSD. There could be no other explanation for this fantasy he has dreamed up.
Today, 06:00 PM #8007
phatboi31
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Posts: 2,499 Quote:
Originally Posted by mandm1
I purchased shares of IDWD back last spring at 1.30, I am very lost and was wondering about the IPO list, I already have a marker for the dividends with no price attached...Is that what your talking about or an entirely different dividened? A perfect answer to help me would be what should I expect and what should I do....I have 914 shares of IDWD bought last spring, I also have a marker for 914 shares with no symbol or price in my scottrade account?? Any help is greatly appreciated!! Thanks
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As I like to respond I'll respond to this post. I really don't like telling people what to do, so I'll leave you with this. Do you believe in IDS, HLS? Do you believe in the profit they are making? If you can answer your questions with a simple yes, or no; then you know what you should do. Now if HLS dividend becomes publicly trading then you should see an open price of at least $3.45 just on IDS, and HLS bookvalues, and if you include the 995ad.com IPO then your looking at $7.45pps. But if you look at financials then its considerably higher. Once HLS decides to become publicly trading then you should see a value for your dividend and a stock symbol. If the symbol is three letters long then its going to trade on the NYSE, and if its four letters then it will be on NASDAQ. Until we see filings HLS will just sit there in your account. The IPO list will be taken from the buyout list, meaning if you own the stock the day of the buyout you should qualify or the 99ad.com IPO valued at $5. The share holder list has not been developed so you must still hold your shares to qualify for both.
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Isn't that the biggest bunch of bunk you have ever read? The T/A gave me the numbers several times and at last call told me the company no longer allows him to reveal them.
Either crossbow is making this letter from Downs up or Downs is the psychopath we have always suspected.
It looks pretty good right now. There have been several 20% or more bounces along the way too. Trading this has been working out.
I'd have to agree with you on that. Current prices are so low it is hard to understand. That's why I got back in.
Anyone who could support the lies spun by this crook Downs should be prosecuted along with him. You have been quick to help spread the PaTRICKS lies here for as long as I can remember, including pumping target price predictions of up to 3 dollars per share.
I doubt you were ever associated with the FBI unless the "retired" part was forced upon you. The FBI does not normally help con artists pull scams on people.
Oil and the metals have been back on the move. The Gold crossed 600 again tonight
This was a great reentry area. The stock seems to have a solid bottom at .008 and is bouncing easily off that area. It shouldn't take much news to push it back towards .02.
You mean this hot site that doesn't function?
http://www.995ad.cn/
Crossbow is not exactly the brightest bulb in the patch when it comes to business. He's a much better judge of baseball.
This stock is all over the board. It's been a great trading stock.
I look for the oil to climb after the voters have been suckered.
What a disgusting pile of dog manure is the trickster named Patrick Downs! The guy is a low down mean spirited mongrel of a human being. To simply call him a convicted stock fraudster and felony grand theft grifting con man is too kind!
They are off on a new track. The water purification business is a good one and most generally requires less intensive capital than developing a siver mine. This might be a great opportunity with the stock sitting at only a penny and having a float of less than 30 million shares. The amount of stock in the system is worth less than 300,000.
It might be wise to go back and edit all those posts made in the past 10 minutes. You are spamming like crazy and could easily end up in IHUB jail
ROFLMAO! Do you think Downs can apply this new technology to save the State of Florida money making license plates at his next job?
Transmogrified license plates. A patented invention of prisoner # PD356880838
MGGV up and running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big News on MGGV. It's running hard off support
Good News Today. I got back in a couple of days ago with a little stock. I might add more today if I can catch it right
This just has to get through the elections. Oil should recover somewhat after the Nov. show is over.
This one looks like it has bottomed out. I'll bet it has another run or two left in it. .007 to .01 has served as support for several days now. Few offers come in under .01
This company has been putting out good news and bouncing around between .14 and .23. I've traded it once. I'm thinking of getting back in.
The flash drive is a non event. If they have given the State of Virginia to a used car dealer like overachiever said (bol), then this is nothing but a hokey scam. If the product had any merit at all, they wouldn't have to resort to granting an entire state to a used car dealer. It would have gone to an electronics distributor who could actually move some real volume.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that on HSM.
Jagvik. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a youngster for a moment and are more or less ignorant of market mechanisms. If you will open your eyes for a few seconds, you might see that almost everyone of the so-called bashers on this stock have been the ones telling the truth and the idiot scamming CEOs you seem so hypnotized by are the liars.
First of all. You keep calling the "investment club" of which overachiever has said he was a part, an "investment group". Do you know what an investment club is? You should look into it.
For the most part, investment clubs are made of of people like you. They all put some money into a pool and democratically decide how to invest it. They have meetings and they present DD to each other and they vote on how to allocate their funds. Most investment clubs are comprised of Grandmothers, fathers, mothers, brothers and friends. They often run their own portfolios as well and do the investment club thing as a hobby. They are not some big bad conspiracy.
I would imagine the people who have felt they have been swiindled by Downs are simply people who opened their eyes one day and said to themselves, "GEE. This guy is lying to us". Let's face it Jag, you would have to have an IQ of less than 30 not to realize Downs is a lying son of a bitch.
Next, I read one of your post over on HSM this evening. This is what you said.
Today, 09:29 PM #7305
jagvik12
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If HLS commences OTC first, maybe they can follow suit with other companies in the battle against shorts-NOBO seems to be gaining national attention amongst companies, it would be nice to have HLS prevent the shorts from indecent exposure before it ever happens.
Good night all.
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Assuming you are really as lacking in knowledge as it seems and this is all not an act, I would like to advise you to educate yourself so that you are not taken in by the likes of Downs or Rufus in the future. The NOBO list is nothing more than a list of Non Objecting shareholders. It is a little more comprehensive in listing total shareholders than a DTC list because some people do not object that their names and addresses be reported to the issuer if their securities are held in street name instead of holding the physical certs. But it will not be all that useful in exposing some conspiratorially large short position..
http://www.cwilson.com/newsletters/securities/slb-dec04.htm
Guys like Rufus and Downs are con artists, Jag. They use terms and things like NOBO lists to make it all sound so official, but what you will most often find is that the guy who is the most crooked CEO of all is the one who is always "fighting the diabolical shorts". There just is not all that much shorting done on the OTC which is not connected to insider stock sales or financing arrangements.
One of these days, I may reveal to this board who I am. I can assure you that I know a hell of a lot about this scam and unlike some of the idiot speculation which has existed on that brainless HSM board, I never worked for Downs in his office in Orlando. I have looked into this very closely however and given my experience in many areas of the securities field, believe I know exactly what Downs is doing. Downs will eventually go down. He might enjoy a few years of scamming, but unless he flees the country, they will get him in the end. The guy is a reprobate and can not seem to help himself from taking one more chance. Doing one more scam and besting one more newbie. Trade this stinky POS. It is a big con job. Of that there can be little doubt. How many times does someone have to lie to you before you get the picture?
I can't speak for every basher who has shown up on this board but I have known a lot of bashers in my life and very few of them ever have a financial interest in bringing a stock down. They do it for good will or as a hobby.
One of the bashers who has been here is a retired CEO of a company which was sold to an NYSE firm One of them used to be a very well known internet expose' writer. Of course, Janice has been here. Jim Bishop makes no secrets about who he is.
Wake up Jag. I'm not teaching you any more than this.