HI Vegas, Since hearing from you, Vegas, I am restricting my day-to-day trading to just options. Every once in a while, I do convert my call option into a stock purchase, But fortunately not too often. My activity is focused on the magnificent 7, but once in a while I do go to other stocks as well. What I like about trading options on the Mag 7 is the volume and liquidity.

Margin can be used by not-so-deep pockets to gat deeper ones (like me) or deep pockets to get even deeper ones.

COGRATULATIONS.To All the longs; which I know from past interactions, is most of you. I'm still trying to find a short that I can have a reasonable discussion with. Believe me, that is as hard as finding a Republican in San Francisco! ANY INTERESTED SHORTS ON IDCC?

There is nothing on the news front to indicate a massive move like you just had; so I suspect it was just technical factors;. After all. IDCC did set a new high last week! BUT technical factors and I have never jelled. I believe that technical factors are overhyped - I find it hard to believe that technical factors can predict world events. For example, I have seen claims that technical factors can predict if and when the company may expect a buy-out!

Any inout will be appreciated.

you prove your bias in the first line of your post by your inane statement: FSDis a Level 2 system.ave you personally experienced FSD 12.4.5?

Now you have done IT, you have. come out as a TRUE BEAR. If you do not believe in FULL AUTONOMY NOW, you should not be holding ANY Tesla stock. Your fairy tales about EMF didn't do any harm, but any aspersions about FSD will.. WHY?

The main difference between bullish and bearish analysts is in when FSD is expected. AS LONG AS FSD IS KEPT AWAY FROM HAPPENING BY OVER 2 YEARS, the majority of analysts are not required to include impacts in their earnings projections.

THAT is the reason MSM never describes the rate of progress in FSD development.. I KNOW that FSD is progressing rapidly, with new features being added all the time and the number of interventions being reduced. JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT AS THE NUMBER OF INTERVENTIONS GOES DOWN, you need MORE data to find ANY intervention. Just like humans, FSD will NEVER be able to handle successfully ALL possibilities. Even YOU must admit that the situation faced by CRUISE in SF was strange. How often do you encounter that PRECISE scenario, when're a pedestrian is struck by a car in the left lane and ends up in front of you?

I personally think that if TESLA can show zero interventions over ALL the data they already have, which is growing all the time, it should be enough for ANY regulators, that are not actively trying to stop you.

I think the ,main questions about FSD are:

1. First and foremost, there needs to be an exact basis for comparing human driving to FSD.
2. The moment, you can define the exact basis (presumably NHTSA has NOT been sitting on its hands the whole time we have been talking about FSD), it should be easy for TESLA to demonstrate that its data shows that every accident in its database of over 30 BILLION MILES would have been avoided by FSD 13.

Then, FSD can be apporoved for TESLA and the bar defined for the other FSD contenders - I think there are all PRETENDERS.

Kisrun: I am not 99 but may as well be. I am only 77, but because of a diagnosis of PSP, my balance is bad and I have been forbidden to drive by my family. SO I am also anxiously waiting.

I personally think we are extremely close, else ELON would not have made the decision to prioritize the robsyaxi over the compact car. In fact, unlike most mainstream media, I am expecting BNIG NEWS on Oct 10. BUT WHO CAN BE CERTAIN?

DO you remember?

Just a few short weeks ago, TSLA would do extremely well all day, only to drop a dollar or two in the last few minutes of trading, as if there was somebody with a substantial sell order at the market price? Well now we have the opposite situation!

Tesla Trrillionaire: During the week, NASDAQ was uo 1%. TSLA was up over 9%!AND YOU AIN"T SEEN NUTTIN' YET!

If we do indeed beat last year's Q3 by 8% and match last year's record 4th quarter, we would still be short of last year's numbers. I thought Elon predicted at the Q2 conference call that Tesla will beat last year's numbers!

ME and charts? Double tops and triple bottoms? ALL GREEK TO ME!

Dubster, TRY ME. The reason I invest is to make money, The fact that I have always made it SO FAR by being a long rather than a short is not really material. I can easily change my stripes. However, in fairness to me, you have to listen to me also. Deal?

Why do you think I go after a respectable publication like IBD? IBD , just like the other names in post # 88,535, is under pressure to monetize. What better way to monetize (now and in the future) to FORCE Tesla to present its side of the story by advertising?

Probable culprit story for today's decline:
https://finance.yahoo.com/m/2b7817d8-0736-3019-9df5-50b60f0d1022/tesla-in-dead-heat-with-—-but.html

Mind you, I xo not think the market price of TSLA is set by knowledgeable investors like most of you guys. The market price is set by the average Joe,; the only things he knows about Tesla are:

1. They are prone to catch fire. The fire is hard o put out because it is incredibly HOT.
2. Teslas are super expensive compared to regular cars.
3. YOu get extremely low range. Of course a corollary of the low range is high range anxiety.

The corrupt media used by manipulators:

Yahoo
CNBC
IBD
CNN
WSJ
CBS
ABC
NBC.

By NO means an exhaustive listing.

I think that is rather obvious. An ETF that goes up when TSLA goes down.is an obvious hedge for TSLA stock. And the 1.5 means you have to buy just 2/3rds of your TSLA holding. However, hedging s not for everybody. For instance, if you bought exactly 2./3rds in the above example and the hedge performed EXACTLY as expected, you would be guaranteed no losses. BUT ALSO, no upside. WHY EVEN BOTHER?

What headline would you give your story: I would suggest something like: NASDAQ futures trump DJIA futures YET AGAIN!

chk: my 2 cents: MANIPULATION of the corrupt media to scare off the retail investor.

I was wrong. The PCE index will be released on Friday.

WE AIN'T SEEEN NOTHIN' YET!

Tomorrow marks the release of the FED's favorite inflation gage, the PCE index. I think the market expects a good number.

AS of this moment, he DJIA futures have joined the other two indexes in positive territory. Their current performance is as follows:

DJIA up .16%
S&P500 up .36%
NASDAQ up .65%

Does anybody know why CNBC uses essentially the SAME headline for reporting on futures trading? They find out the word-performing of the three indexes and the headline invariably says that that index is little changed. BUT THAT IS NOT THE STORY FOR THE AVERAGE RETAIL INVESTOR who is more interested in the NASDAQ. Is the CNBC brass trying to scare off the retail investor? Today is a perfect example. The futures opened as follows:

DJIA down ,05%
S&P 500 up .06%
NASDAQ up .30%

Surely it is incorrect to focus your headline on the DJIA futures? Or does CNBC genuinely think that the NASDAQ index is of NO interest to its followers?

SON OGF TANGERINE: IF YOU ARE serious about shorting this to k, I would suggest the premarket or after-hours Else, you will just get crushed by the retail investor BULLS! Most retail investors do not care much about the rising P/E, because they realize, just subconsciously, that the E in P/E is based on mainly car sales, which are a minuscule part of earnings going forward.

JJ,I am with you!

And held on to SOME OF THEM!

JJ:Now that you have recognized the genius of the MAN, are yay going to modify your trading at all?

Did you?

Somehow, I posted the following message on the VPLM board!
LOOP; I hope you are well. I am concerned by M3S's post asking if anybody has seen you lately.

I have been missing from this board for many years now as explained in my earlier message. I was visiting just for old times' sake but, when I saw how well the stock is doing, I have decided to place some trades. My newest options strategy is built around straddles at earning time. For IDCC I am thinking of buying 145 strike Nov calls and 135 strike puts with the same expiration date.

Since I am basically ignorant about the recent performance of the stock, I think I will wait a while to place the trades. Do you have any insights into the stock?

Possible changes in my trades. Use December expiration instead of Nov. This variation costs a little more. but it does protect against a delayed reaction to good (or bad news.

Reverse the call and put strike prices: buy $145 puts and 135 calls. MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE initially, but increases chan es of being in the money at or even before expiration.

Thanks, my3s.

thanks, my3s. I cannot think of anybody better to bring me up to speed!

Hello GUYS! I just dropped in for old times' sake. I am sooo glad that most of the old crew is still around- I have already sen Manx read the newest posts by Vegas, amr, bagerkid and my3s. I am so gad that the stock has been doing well, I have been so involved in my current investments (primarily TSLA<, META, AAPL, and NVDA) that I have not been checking up on IDCC. When I saw its current valuation at about $140, I was just blown away, it has been doing really, really well, The 5-year chart shows, that the stock has been on fire lately, ever since. actually a month or tewo before it FINALLY crossed $100 convincingly, unlike the previous two times. The convincing cross of $100 occurred in April this year. BUT prior to that there were momentous rises on two days,. While I could find out what caused those precipitous rises by research, (mainly online), I am sure somebody on thus board can enlighten me from his or her memory. I would rather go that route. REmEMBER NAME FROM MY DAYS AS LA-IDCC-FAN!

INVEST your cash before ROBOTAXI rollout!

Well, there's always tomorrow!

Today's trading makes me happy. It is not ringing too many alarm bells at shorting headquarters at Yahoo and CNBC either, because ALL the storiesd on Yahoo have reasonable headlines, and most are bullish!

What time today do you reckon we will go over Thursday's closing price of $230 and change? I am going to guess at about 3 pm.

Heaven forbid!

Boston, do you still feel the same way after version 12.1.5? If Tesla is a scam, why does Elon work SO hard at improving its cost structure? Why do you think Elon pushes back dates of events? Do you think the recent delay of 2 months in the robotaxi reveal schedule was only in order to implement a change to the front of the design of the robotaxi?

WELL SAID!

A DOWN day followed by a somewhat UP day will NOT cut it. WE have to return to the prevailing pattern of down followed by UP.

Exactly what I thought. However, that was before today's open! Currently TSLA is DOWN just under $15!

chk: I fully understand your frustration. Fortunately my fsd, now up to 12.5.1, runs fine on m HW4 car. I was just notified that 12.5.3 is now installed on my car. Neo word yet on the latest upgrade.