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Muzo: 6 BILLION DOLLARS...MUAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
so this is where you admit that you lost the argument but you need professional help dude. don't delay getting it.
you are the one who said "Because they are sampling right now". Someone is stuck in a conceit for sure.
what's really illogical is to take a 5 month old prediction of samples and claim "they are sampling now" and assume a publicly traded company is claiming they have actual chips in hand with demo videos and assume that they are not telling the truth. and insult people when this is pointed out. par for the course in this group of course.
You do understand the cognitive dissonance there right
not at all but I am sure you are projecting here. I am just stating that altera claimed they would have samples by now, or as early as two months before now and that there is no indication that has happened where as you claimed that they must be sampling now based on their prediction.
On the other hand xilinx has shown actual chips in several demos.
And now you think altera has told the truth and xilinx has lied. Who is guilty of cognitive dissonance ?
Because they are sampling right now according to the press release
we are now in the last month of fall 2015 and there is no indication, leak, innuendo, pr which states that stratix 10 is actually sampling. the only indication you have is a promise from a 5 month old pr (which are apparently cheap to produce).
any idea why that's the case?
PR releases are cheap...
that's such a lame come-back but you have to admit altera can't even afford them apparently.
by the way if you want to see some real 16nm finfet fpga in action here are some videos:
http://bcove.me/4ntnxkqb
http://bcove.me/3f5977yf
http://bcove.me/cranqoxi
That pr says: "Engineering samples of Stratix 10 FPGAs and SoCs will be available in the fall of 2015"
have you seen any actual "stratix 10 fpgas are sampling" pr?
xilinx had a pr which said "taped-out" and another one which said "running in the lab, sampling" about 16nm+ zynqs.
Be sure to let us know when the
dial for ARM server market share flickers above zero at either IDC
or Gartner ok?
i am sure i won't have to. there will be enough external indications of it ...
When there is market pull for them.
does that requirement apply intel's mobile chips too? so 14nm mobile socs will be out When there is market pull for them
by the way, msft is already complaining that fpga over pcie latencies are too long for their catapult accelerators. if x86 with altera fpga blocks were available they would certainly be buying them. of course microsoft deep learning groups needs don't count as market pull in your mind
btw intel skylake xeons will not start shipping till 2017 even though they have some skylakes today
They sic having problems making a working full scale product or
realized too late that current cores just won't be competitive?
Not exactly confidence inspiring.
yep, pretty soon there will be production quality 24+ core arm processors with xilinx accelerators in them. i wonder when we will see altera accelerators in intel chips.
after 3 years altera hasn't even started sampling their fpgas on intel foundry (and they had to be acquired to continue?)
Not exactly confidence inspiring.
qualcomm announces 24 core arm server processor and announces collaboration with xilinx (xilinx already has finfet fpgas unlike the other fpga vendor
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/10/08/qualcomm-makes-significant-advancements-its-server-ecosystem
xilinx is sampling 16nm finfet fpgas, i still can't get my hands on a decent skylake notebook (waiting for precision m7710 or thinkpad p70)
http://press.xilinx.com/2015-09-30-Xilinx-Ships-Industrys-First-16nm-All-Programmable-MPSoC-Ahead-of-Schedule
With Intel delaying the launch of its Skylake processors and Kaby Lake - which was originally scheduled to replace Skylake in 2016
I wonder what that means ...
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150922PD204.html
he raised it from $3 to $5 which makes it a ~67% increase.
obviously you can make up as many as you want. doesn't mean there is the least bit of credibility in them. altera can't even sample a 14nm intel chip after 3 years and you think there is a rumor that apple will use it? good luck with your delusions.
i don't know 6. it seems a9x is being produced by samsung 14nm and tsmc 16nm fabs in some ratio. i guess a10 might be also distributed like that but there is really no 3rd foundry option for apple's second generation finfet processor.
TSMC secures A10 chip orders from Apple, says report
TSMC) will be the exclusive supplier of Apple's next-generation A10 processors with volume production to kick off starting March 2016
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150914PD210.html
We think that a combination of productivity software support from Microsoft and Ultrabook-like non-Intel hardware from OEMs such as Apple and Samsung could potentially start eating into Intel’s core notebook business in both consumer and enterprise end-markets.
nah, can't happen ...
IPad pro next week?
it seems there will be a new device from apple a 12.9" tablet which probably supports multi-window iOs, (better) multi-tasking and a mouse. I think this device will show which direction Apple is going in terms of cpus: Ax vs x86.
are you kidding me? they are "double the performance, ... of five-year-old PCs" how can they be not game changing? and with this improvement who can claim moore's law is dead ?
broxton is not till q3'16
can you post a link to that?
Will Barrons and Goldman Sucks tell us you can power the cloud w/ Qualcomm?
if you believe the rumors, at least part of the cloud providers seem to think that at least some of the cloud will be powered by arm based servers in the future. this rumor is false till it's true.
maybe not:
Qualcomm still supplies modem chips for next iPhone, sources claim
Josephine Lien, Taipei; Jessie Shen, DIGITIMES [Monday 17 August 2015]
The sources believe that Intel is unlikely to obtain modem chip orders for the upcoming iPhones. However, Intel could win orders for the 2017 iPhone models as Apple is searching for additional modem chip suppliers apart from Qualcomm, the sources noted.
Intel's modem chips are also built by TSMC, using the foundry's 28nm process technology, the sources added.
this is a tsmc 28nm part, right? how much of that $1B goes to tsmc I wonder.
I'm considering the Xeon mobile announced recently. Lenovo already announced P70 with it. I'll consider the equivalent MBP when p70 comes out and get one or the other. That should last me as long as my current SB notebook if not longer.
-- sent from my g4
skylake shortage: no reason but high demand? i am sure yields are excellent.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-confirms-skylake-shortage.html
Alibaba has been using some servers based on AMCC’s ARM based design. We believe that Alibaba is planning on expanding its deployment of ARM based servers with Cavium’s CPU; we would expect this ramp to occur in 1H:16. We also believe that Foxconn Group is also designing and building an ARM based server CPU for Alibaba through Socle Technology, a developer of system-on-chip solutions. Foxconn gained control of Socle Technology, a Taiwanese company, in CY14. Alibaba is one of the big eight data center operators and we believe that its commitment to ARM based servers is a significant development [...] In addition, we are hearing that Amazon, Facebook and Google are working on ARM based CPUs for servers
i'm sure it'll come to pass for nil;
Such a burden you carry
Once again you have missed the point but by now it's to be expected.
no, i think he understands that "getting all offended by people calling good, God-fearing people like Tim May racist" is not a burden for you; just a fact of life as it should be.
weirdos coming out of the woodwork to defend their brethren; fine group indeed.
i feel like i fell into deliverance ...
oh, i was talking about the three old white guys who have been bitching about the minorities killing intel instead of considering that other old white guys have driven into the hole it's in because they missed the whole mobile train. one of these 3 stooges is a known vicious "mud people" bigot well known from his posts on siliconinvestor and another is a phuddy/duddy who can't say anything bad about him. awesome crowd overall ...
Intel's had a nice track record for investing in Israel so I don't know that the company is anti-semitic
I am not sure why you are trying to refute a claim which wasn't made. It is certainly true that the Hassids in Haifa saved Intel's bacon after the netburst debacle.
when did this group become the dumping ground of bigoted anti-semites?
is their burn rate more than $100 monthly ?????
my burn rate is more than $100 monthly, so it's no big deal
let me quote from that piece and see anyone will think it's out of context:
The market has been declining here in Asia ...
But the company, which was getting most of its revenue from the PC business, ran into sharp headwinds as PC prices fell and its customers' tastes shifted toward tablets and smartphones...
2 snapdragons and 1 atom
Can Error Detection and Correction take care of most problems ? After all even DRAMs have failures and so do magnetic hard disks and tapes.
those are what's called soft errors. current flash technologies suffer from hard errors ie cells with error stay with error and the number of such cells grow over time. of course this is about dram; the other two are not in the same running for the discussion at hand.
- Altera will gain share if they can get to a leading node faster than Xilinx
i am not sure when/how this can happen. altera has probably taped-out stratix 10 in q1 (after several qs of delay) and claiming samples in the fall. xilinx taped-out their tsmc 16nm finfet last month and who knows when they're going to have samples (q1/q2'16?) if intel quits foundry, altera will be more forced to use intel tools/ip which will slow them down to intel's speed. i think foundry was a way for intel to gain some speed by allowing outside tool & ip vendors into their system. if they let it go, it's going to be tougher for them (imo).