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Carguy,
Your order for sweet and sour pork has been placed. I may not hear back today, but there is always tomorrow. Apparently (I've been told), they have to keep calling and calling until someone breaks and spills the proverbial "fried rice".
But it's done.
Beth
I've only personally met one reporter from the PS, but I can always put in a call and ask somebody from that organization to ring Kramer Levin and order some chinese...
Beth
San Antonio, Texas.
I don't think we've ever met. Ilene has been pretty good about making sure I know who is who. And I think I would have remembered meeting the "Voodoo Man".
Beth
I started buying in around a week after the seizure. Then I started researching the case and buying more. After that I started doing DD and getting involved with filings. Now, I'm a Pro Se Objector, who travels to DE or wherever I'm needed to plead our case.
And I'm still 40.
Beth
Well, now that you mention it...
Could you call Kramer Levin and order me a pizza?
Beth ;)
Well done Voodoo.
Now give me a well thought out, well written definition for all of them.
Beth
Hey...since nothing is going on today, I was hoping I could get some help with something. I am putting together a list of definitions. And if someone tells me to check the iBox, I'll throw my coffee at them through the interwebs. I've already done that. But it's not comprehensive enough for my project.
I need definitions for the basics. Like POR, DS, GSA, Creditor, Senior/Junior Debt, etc. Think about as if you are explaining this to someone who doesn't know anything about bankruptcy. Come up with as many terms/acronyms as you can think of and define them.
If you're willing to help, just respond to my post here. Thanks,
Beth
There's a good chance that money will be coming back. If they get nailed for this, and it looks like they will...I would imagine that the court will disgorge all of their representation expenses.
Beth
OMG! Michael, I'm Catholic and that's just disgusting...
Where's the nearest church?
Beth ;)
Hey...how come I'm not on that list? I can't believe I've been snubbed. How insulting.
Beth
As I was perusing the docket, I noticed something very interesting. Of all the objections filed on behalf of Nate (of which there were 18), 15 were sent in by our European brothers. Pretty stunning.
If any of the Europeans are reading this, I want to personally express my gratitude for your dedication and support. We sometimes forget that we have a huge number of shareholders across the pond who have a dog in this fight and are doing their part to keep us all afloat. I just wanted to let them know...your voice matters and it's being heard loud and clear.
Thank you brothers, you are much appeciated by this American.
Bettina Haper (Beth)
Thank you.
I didn't have much time to work on it. About two days. But since Appaloosa threw in the towel, I won't get to nail them with it. What a bunch of girls.
Oh well, there's always the confirmation hearing...
Beth
Funny, that's what I said...
Beth ;)
Sorry Don.
It's just that one day everyone trusts him and the next he's being treated like the hanta virus. This wasn't just some epiphany he had one night. And it wasn't just him. This has been building for months and a lot of us have been concerned about this. Gibson's just taking the sword for all of us.
The thing is...the objections that the judge is siding with were all handed over to SG prior to the hearing. Prior to the objection deadline. The only argument they used was one of my objections to the debtors' failure to disclose an asset sale. They blew off every other objection. The NOL's, the taxes, the valuation, the hidden assets. And those were the issues the judge recognized in her ruling.
Now, I'm not saying the DS is the be-all-end-all. It's just one battle. The main event will be the confirmation hearing. And we were laying the groundwork for that at the DS. But for many of us, council is lacking. And it's extremely concerning when we're getting this sort of representation from a firm with such a stellar reputation.
I defended Willingham as long as I could. I think I was the last holdout. But even I can't justify it anymore. However, everyone needs to figure this out for themselves. Just like I had to.
Beth
It's still a moot point. Even if that were true (a novel explantion, I'll grant you), there is nothing we can do about it legally. As shareholders, we can only do what we are doing now.
Trying to find out what is in their confidentiality agreement would be nothing but a waste of time. It wouldn't be like the Hoffman motion, which might have generated something damaging.
Besides, it's a non-issue unless the confidentiality agreement effectively renders the EC's council unable to represent us. Which I doubt Susman would ever agree to or the judge would ever approve. If what you're saying is true, it would be like stripping the EC of council. And the judge would never allow it.
Still, it was an interesting idea.
Beth
One other thing...
You said that you knew who Willingham was but you didn't know Gibson. Well, I'll tell you who Gibson is.
Gibson is the person responsible for at least 25% of the DD that exists.
Gibson is the person responsible for coordinating, editing and writing at least 6 objections.
Gibson is the impetus for at least 3 people traveling to Delaware and appearing before Judge Walrath.
Gibson is the person who has spent thousands upon thousands of hours of time away from his family working on this case.
Gibson is the person in the background who doesn't get the credit that I do. But now he's being attacked for warning people about something many of us have been worried about for several months.
Willingham...sits on a committee. I don't know him.
I know Gibson.
Beth
Don, my dear, I'm not entirely sure how getting our hands on the confidentiality agreement relates to that post. Or how it necessarily benefits us at this juncture. We are pretty far deep in the weeds right now and I'm thinking that the burning the POR is the priority.
Beth
I do know Gibson. And he doesn't work for Appaloosa. I also know James and Ben and Nate and Mike and Ilene and LargeGreen.
But hey, you don't know me...do you? Heck, I could work for K-mart.
Beth
I'm sorry, but they DO work for us. We are equity. They serve the interests of all equity, not just a few individuals on a committee.
And I have every right to question the job they are doing. Especially when myself and others have to take untold amounts of time away from our families to work on this case and file objections. And then go to Delaware to debate points before the judge that our lawyers should be making, but aren't. And I know these arguments should be made because the judge keeps agreeing with us.
So no one can tell me that it's a simple matter of "not being privy to the EC's legal strategy". The only strategy that is working for equity right now is the one individual shareholders have been presenting in court. And that is FACT.
Beth
On a lighter note...
You all bought Nate lunch while we were in Delaware. I forgot to tell you that. Sorry. But I made sure to get him a meal and a beer on you guys.
Beth ;)
Well Mordicai,
I have seen the inside of a courtroom, many times. And while I'm not a lawyer, I was raised by one. And I spent a good bit of my youth around some pretty sharp legal minds here in Texas.
But that's not why I have the audacity to question our attorneys. I have the audacity to question our legal team because I am their boss. They work for us. And since I am pretty familiar with many of the issues in this case, I know certain things that should have been addressed...haven't. Now, being my father's daughter, that gives me pause.
I'm not the only one who has concerns. And the only thing I find audacious about that, are the lawyers who seem to be offended by the idea of a client questioning their representation. EVERY client should question their representation, to make certain their interests are being assured throughout a legal proceeding. And any lawyer who is too thin-skinned to have their strategy questioned...is in the wrong business.
Now, I have never claimed to know it all. But what I do know is this: myself and a few others have been carrying a lot of water for this case over the past months. The DS would not have been altered if we had not shown up. The NOL's, taxes and valuation would not have been pushed if we had not shown up. And the EC would not have it's IT argument or it's depositions if Nate had not shown up. These are things our attorneys should have done. Not us. We gave them the information beforehand, but nothing was done with it. So we got on planes, trains and buses and stood before the judge.
Some may consider it audacious, but after everything we have been through and seen (which I would remind, is more than most here), we have reason to second guess what is going on with this case. Again.
Just sayin'.
Beth
As for me...
I have no problem going it alone. I suppose in the end, I don't place much value on what these people "think" they can take from me. I realize that most people can't live under these circumstances, but...I guess I just don't care about what happens to me.
Beth
If anyone here has incriminating evidence...
Contact luv2shop or Dudebug and get my email addy. I'll be appearing at the confirmation hearing and I'd love to hear from you.
Beth ;)
So easy...a vampire can do it.
I sent a message to the EC regarding the SS#'s and asked Govinsider to call someone at SG.
The debtors have no legal right to any shareholder's SS#. Period. This is blatant intimidation. Although, if anyone wants to have some fun, flood the UST with complaints. And report this attempt to extract SS#'s to your State Attorney General as "attempted identity theft".
And be sure to spell Brian Rosen's name correctly.
Beth
If anyone can help look for pre-petition values on these subs, that would be great. And we need them pretty fast.
Beth
Fish,
This argument won't work unless we can find multiple assets of non-debtor subsidiaries that were sold to JPMorgan. Which we are working on right now. If you want to help with that...
Beth
Hey Mordicai,
Could you contact me at bet0001970@yahoo.com? I'd like to ask you about this and something else.
Beth (Bettina)
Well Jest,
March 2011 is very different than March 2010. Forget about the PPS and just think about how deliciously sinful Vegas is. Win or lose, you can still get your picture taken with a showgirl.
We'll be celebrating the company and our fight, no matter what happens.
Beth ;)
BD, that's hilarious.
Speaking of litigation...I haven't seen Rosen feasting off the flesh of the dead lately. Do you think that means something? And I wanted to know if you were gonna throw in on the "bill padding pool". At this point, they're giving 7 to 1 odds that Rosen will charge the estate for the time he was supposed to be on vacation.
Go WaMu!
Beth ;)
I'll consider it. Thanks.
Beth
Ilene said a request to be heard wouldn't be necessary. And no. debtors' council has not responded to my objection. There's still time. I'm guessing they're waiting until the last minute...or they'll ignore it, hoping I'll go away.
They have to know by now that I'm showing up to the DS hearing. It's all over the boards.
Beth
Hey Ilene...
When I get to Wilmington for the DS hearing, you're gonna have to show me around. BTW, should I be filing a motion to be heard? Or will the judge just let us speak?
Beth :)
Yeah. The key is always to save the documents and then post the links. Whether or not you think they might be important. You never know. Save them anyway. You can always delete them later if they turn out to be worthless. This has happened so many times, that some of us just started automatically saving the instant we find stuff. And then saving as soon as stuff gets posted, in order to back up whoever posted it. I know that I don't take chances anymore. Another good idea is buy a separate drive and store your docs on that (if you can).
Beth
The "Bets Objection"
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229110222000000000011.pdf
This objection is actually part of an action that has been planned by the Mason Group. There will be multiple objections going out in several rounds. Look for them. Also, I and hopefully another person will be appearing at the DS hearing (provided we are allowed to speak), as well as the second confirmation hearing in May (should it come to that).
You all know me by Beth. The Yahoo board knows me by Beth, Bet, and Bets. A lot of people have made much to do about all of this, but it has been a group effort. I'm just one face.
Beth
Uzual...
You are correct. Like I said, I'm going to the mattresses. And there's more to come. A lot more. We're slicing the DS/POR into little pieces. Also, I'll be at the March 21 hearing and the May hearing as well.
Rosen better wear a cup.
Beth
Debtor's Council hasn't failed us. They have actively sabotaged us. We have evidence of outright fraud. So this is not some failure or dereliction of duty. This is active criminality. And for the life of me, I have been beating my head against a wall trying to figure out why any lawyer would take that kind of risk.
I'm gonna really hate it when the answer finally falls out.
But more than that, I really hate these people. And I'm really getting sick of all the showers I have to take every time I turn over another rock and find some toxic sludge underneath. Not that any of this matters because the judge will never do anything about it.
Beth
"This isn't Italy or some other country where a judge acts as a quasi-prosecutor. We have an "adversarial" system where the court can only respond to issues raised by the parties, not initiate action on his/her own."
Oh, I don't know...I think our judge initiated plenty of action when she testified in her opinion last month. It may not be in line with our normal adversarial system, but it is what it is. I mean, come on. JPM shouldn't have to pay what it owes because it might cause them fail? Not even JPM would dare make that argument.
As an individual shareholder, at this point, I don't trust anyone (especially the judge) to do for me what I should have been doing for myself. And I'm certainly not waiting for something fall out of the sky and change the course of this case anymore. I'm going to the mattresses.
Beth
Uh...I hate to break it to you, but Dallas doesn't count. If it were Ft. Worth or Houston or Austin or San Antonio or Corpus or any number of other towns...well, that would be different. And public office on the national level certainly matters.
But the man is a raging dillhole. And the fact that the citizens of Dallas elected that type of person, only further illustrates the "unique" impression the city has made on the rest of the State. I'm betting he won't be taken seriously anywhere else and most people will find it as insulting as I do.
Beth
The very idea that this guy would have the gall to run for public office in Texas makes me sick. I hope they crucify him. I know one of the candidates (I dated him in high school), so I don't have any problem feeding his campaign all the dirt on Leppert that we have. Although, I'm not entirely sure that Ted would use it. He's a class act.
Beth