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Goldland -
You have come a long way & are traveling in the right general direction, IMHO, but you apparently think I said that the consultants are being paid off.
Let me be clear: That is not my opinion.
I, in no way, think the consultants are "paid off" entities.
I think there are real consultants, not fakes.
PQ is deliberately obfuscating..... that is obvious, but he is not outright lying about what he is doing. He's just deliberately inspecific. There is a difference.
So, in summary, I do think PQ is being deliberately vague, but I do not think PQ is paying off the guys he is categorizing as consultants. I never said that, BTW, and it is not my opinion.
For the sake of SFMI stock price, I wish he would not be obfuscatory, but, if I am right, in the long run, spending the money this way is not fraud. In fact, if I am right, (and all you have to do is listen to what RK said in the most recent TV show), then what PQ is getting consultants to do is generating results and these results are good for the company, and they will add value to the company at the time a buyer seriously undertakes to buy us out.
Still, the ongoing net-net is that price steadily falls in an environment where info is deliberately vague and there is no way I like what that does to the price of the shares I have put money into.
The trick is to trade it, I think, and I recently bought at .046, sold a chunk at the mid .05's and at .071. So, thats the only way to survive in an environment like we have here. Simple as that.
But, as to the consultants themselves, I am of the opinion that they are doing real, honest, hard work. How much there is left remains a mystery. After all, in that PQ is deliberate in choosing to operate in stealth mode, it follows that it is self-evident that the size of the task has to be an unknown. Its not possible to say how much remains either, because of the nature of the beast.
The info will come out if they file on time. The end of the project he has the consultants working on will be knowable as of the filing that is upcoming. That much is obvious, but as of the moment, and until the info becomes publicly viewable, the project must go forward in stealth mode. Simple logic dictates. Duh!
So, when is the filing info next scheduled to become public? Wink wink. Nod nod. :o)
In any event, Goldland, I needed to be clear, so let me re-emphasize that I do not think the "consultants" are fake parties being "paid off". That was the gist of your post and I needed to be clear that, as regards that particular portion of what you attributed to me, you are incorrect. Other than that, though, you seem to be figuring it out. Well done.
Imperial Whazoo
Hey HR -
I've been following Medinah quietly for a while. Been commiserating some with our good bud dc.
I wanted to ask if you have a feel for which pre-annual meeting day to watch out for. Basicaly, isn't it true that is could be all the way up to the last minute?
TIA for your opinion. I'm not as familiar with the long history of this one as you are.
Imperial Whazoo
Excellent & thanx. Only wish it had been in my possession last night when I was toiling at getting DD done prior to today.
I employ certain routines as regards DD and I just go from company to company picking the low hanging fruit, which, as a practical matter, means that other companies who do prominently post their web link info generally get researched first. This one looked interesting enough to chase a bit even though its generally a lot easier to just skip over it when the DD stuff is not readily apparent.
So thanx.
Imperial Whazoo
There seems to be some confusion here because TE is not TECO, which is the one that the other poster mentioned reaching 12.4 cents and so forth. I was looking for the 4% dividend and then I thought it was cool that I could park money in a 9 cent stock and get 4%, until I realize the board was mixed up, talking about both TE & TECO.
Imperial Whazoo
Say, I just searched Bloomberg/Businessweek's List of Public Companies web link looking for this company's web site. Ita not listed.
And I also looked thru yout posted PR that came out today and its not there either
Anyone able to supply the web site of the company to the restn of us?
Thanx
Imperial Whazoo
An article that might be of interest.
http://www.offshore-mag.com/articles/2012/01/albania-3d-data-reveals-multiple-offshore-prospects.html
Imperial Whazoo
I bought JBII when it crashed and sold it when it spiked last time. Made a fortune.
And listen up: I made that correct, profitable decision by NEVER wasting the firing of a single synapse pondering even the smallest particle of any idea like what was just asserted as a reply to my former post.
I am 100% positive that, were I to let any of the ideas of which that opinion set consists enter into my thinking, it would act like leaven and leaven the whole loaf, ruining my ability to think rightly and make money doing so.
Apart from that, those ideas a indeed ideas, LOL.
Have a nice day.
Imperial Whazoo
That and save the world, LOL.
Minor detail, I realize.
:o)
Imperial Whazoo
If you think I think JB is a good man, then you mistake my precise points for a general defense.
But if he is wicked, he is human, and if he has, indeed created a solution to one of the world's most dangerous problems, then it is equally wicked to assault his numerous flaws with such zeal that the end result becomes a destruction of the hope that exists in the technology he obviously has, indeed, invented.So what if a man is a mixed bag. Wasn't John Fitzgerald Kennedy? Gandi? Churchill?
Get real people. If the vindictive attacks destroy this chance to obliterate the plastic waste problem, what is this idealistic assault on a mere man really going to do to all the rest of us? What is really accomplished by winning some petty argument on a blog board?
What wisdom is there is attacking him and his wickednesses with such vigor that the very brilliant technologial answer he has invented is destroyed?
I am from a family business that was pre-depression and every key person started out as family. We grew into both Dallas & Houston and were the largest of our kind.
Then, as we grew, we got outsiders and guess when it failed? When outsiders with no family comnection got too involved.
So I'm tired of this nonsense that makes his being related a negative. Thats pure tripe, IMHO.
Pure D tripe.
Imperial Whazoo
And this is important because????
My first actual job was tossing papers for the Dallas Times Herald, and they are bankrupt too, so what does pointing out such a thing about Thorold matter? What possible importance does that have?
Imperial Whazoo
Yep. I'm actually from Texas and I was struck by the knee-jerk negative reaction because I took specific note that the guy was long in experience in the Texas refinery business back when he came on board.
It was splashed all over the news when he joined the company. So I had to guffaw at the instantly negative behaviour that resisted granting that he deserved the accolade of being long in Texas based work history in the oil & gas industries that are major businesses down here in Texas.
The truth is as you post. He has a long Texas biography and years of oil and gas refinery legitimacy here in Texas, and thus he can legitimately claim to have obtained his expertise, work experience and work history in Texas.
Imperial Whazoo
Yeah, the break above resistance/support caused me to think of reading the comments on iHub about it for the first time, so you have it right.
I figure its moving because of the contracts and that it will be proving later on if its real or not.
Trade it or buy it on pullbacks to hold onto it while being an investor. All I care about is that it punched strongly through upside resistance near the EOD and closed strong.
It is what it is. Trade it or invest in it. Whatever floats your boat. I just like the move.
Imperial Whazoo
Hey Neb -
Nice chart. What I saw today was not worthy of conclusions until the last hour.
I suggest that, if folks can, they break the trading day, which is 390 minutes, into equal portions. If you look at the volume, its very plain to see that a lot of volume came in in the last hour.
If you put it up on a 65 or 78 minute chart, you will see that there were approximately 3.185 million shares traded in the last hour or so.
And in both those periods, there is a candle that is called a "Hammer"
And the good thing about this particular candle is that it is a very high volume candle.
So, a very high volume "Hammer" in the final hour? That is good for tomorrow, IMHO. Very good, actually.
Oh, and the reason I use 65 and 78 is that there are six 65 minute periods in a 390 minute trading day and there are five 78 minute periods in it.
I have no problem with 10 day, 20 day, 50 day, 100 day and 200 days periods in day and weekly charts because those are the periods used by pretty much everybody who trades multi-day, but I favor having no remainders when I'm charting for day trading purposes.
For example, with 20 periods in a day trading chart, you get 19.5 periods in a 390 minute day. So the analytical question is where should the non-remainder part be balanced? Do I ignore the end and start and put the 19 periods in the middle or should it be at the start and the remainder in the final part of the day? Thats my point, and its why I use 65 and 78, among others, for day trading charting.
Just thought I'd explain myself given that what I'm doing is non-standard.
I know its my own way, which nobody but me uses, but I like the balance it affords, so thats why I use it.
Anyway..... using 65 and 78, the last candle is a very strong, high volume hammer.
L8r
Imperial Whazoo
I'll try, but somebody other than me is adept at posting those annotated charts that you are asking for. I honestly do not know how to put one of those up in a post. I don't even have any familiarity with stckcharts, which is what I've seen is what most folks use.
If you will accept my painting a word picture, then thats my baily-wick.
And I'm trading MDHI & TECO right now so I will have to look at it later. Proly after the market.
Sorry I'm not the immediate resource you need. I simply do word pictures. Thats the main thing.
Imperial Whazoo
I appreciate the info. .
Manners..... simple, manners.
So I thank you for that info and I will now go forward with the Costco specific detail I dared to ask for (horror of all horrors) supplied by you.... politely and with no excess fuss or cuss, LOL, I might add.
Well done and thanx.
Imperial Whazoo
CSTI is TD Ameritrade, so that one is retain sellers.
Imperial Whazoo
I didn't ask that.
I asked a specific question about whether I missed something that was announced that is Costco specific?
I asked a specific question.
Either way... whether there is or there isn't somethiing Costco specific upcoming, I seem to have missed it, and either way, the answer is worth obtaining.
So, whether the TV campaign is relatively better than something upcoming that is Costco specific is not what I asked about.
I asked a deliberately specific question and my inquiry was NOT about the general weighting we need to apply to grasp the upcoming events.
So, is there something Costco specific that I missed?
TIA
Imperial Whazoo
Is there Costco news I missed? I thought that a whole splay of merchandisers, including Costco, were going to be the vectors for this campaign.
So, is there something specific to Costco?
TIA
Imperial Whazoo
Your comment regarding past instance of a national ad campaign is a nice post.
What I'd like is to know what time frame was involved in the move up that you cited?
Obviously MDHI is not going to do an exact same track, but it will be likely that the up move in that stock, is relevant to MDHI
TIA regarding the time frame involved in the move you mentioned.
Imperial Whazoo
What is the link to the Feb 15th affar?
What is the link to the Feb 24th affair?
TIA
Imperial Whazoo
Hey neb -
Love the annotated charts a lot. One day I might find stockcharts worth it to me. I love Stockfetchers, though. I love to fiddle around with custom defined indicators.
I'm pretty much resolved that the next chart tool I learn anew will be one I can progran to, since I'm a programmer by trade (prior to daytrading).
Imperial Whazoo
I've not done the Stockcharts thing before. I use a non-web chart package that's part of my broker's platform and I use Stockfetcher to do custom screens, but stockfetcher is not usable, as far as I know, like stockcharts is. And anyway, if I revealed all my custom indicators in stockfetchers, I'd be telling my secrets, LOL
I've never dabbled in putting charts from stockcharts into my posts, mainly because I just do not want to have to figure out how to chart and mark up stockcharts charts. I've got enough tools to wrestle with and anyway, posting takes time and I lost money by dipping my toe in the pool of opinion over CBAI today. I'm just too much running flat out to post a lot.
So I have to decline the invite to figure it out and chart it in stockchart's tool.
I could cut you a BMP if I had an email and you could see what they are.
And also, there are seminars at http://www.tfnn.com (cost $$) and there is the book on them that came out this year ("The Art of Timing the Trade" ISBN 978-097635291-4)
Hope that helps
Imperial Whazoo
The 100% move of the move would be .026.
I put up a 10 minute and you should too. It shows the first 10 minute bar of the move on Tuesday ran from .026 at open to .032. It spent the next 40 minutes completing both the rest of the open move and the pull back of the open, after which it regaied momo and the big move went about completiing.
The tail on the 10 minute bar that came in the 5th 10 minute bar never got below .03. It was a long tail, too, so the repudiation of the touch to .03 in the tail was profound. And again, the point it got to today, and failed, was exactly the tip of the original move's tail.
So, I think looking for .028 puts you in no mans land.
We saw the attack today on .033 go thru and down to .03, which was the tip of the pullback tail on the opening of the upmove on Tuesday, so I see it as having done work to touch the .03 tail point, but I see absolutely zero evidence that .028 has any meaning built into it.
And anyway, .03 is the .786. Between that and the touch of the tail at .03 that got rejected this afternoon, I could guess and buy at .028, but thats what I'd have to be doing because the area between the 786 (.03) and the 100% move of the move (.026) is no mans land, IMHO.
The 100% move of the move puts it back at .026, and that is possible, but I see no reason .028 would be a particular point to watch the behaviours around.
And we saw an attempt to close it near the end of day below the 618 of .033 and that failed today, so I see no logic that argues that even a 100% move of a move has any legs to it. There's just too much buying above those points to lend credence to a sticking to even a 100% move of a move, IMHO.
Thats what it looks like to me.
Imperial Whazoo
We'll see in the coming days and weeks.
As regards Gartley's, I have not learned whether they have to be prefect. I suspect that there is always slippage and inexactitude. The leg to the 382 did not hit it on the nose and I'll just have to apply whatever transpires with this chart to the memory banks for reference in future instances where the pivots on a butterfly fail to get exactly nailed.
The criteria need to be volume sufficient to have a chart that is not full of gaps in the periods when looking at it inter/intra day.
Up until the recent moves in CBAI, it was often too low vol to be charted the way I've been taught. Now, there is enough vol.
And I was really ticked when .03 got hit. I saw it as the 786 got hit but I did not think to see if it was a gartley butterfly. If I did not have the habit of clicking through my periods like they were magnification lenses, I'd not have seen it jump out at 65 minutes.
I like the way it rejected the takeout attempt.
Lower vol day today that included a serious attempt late in the day to disembowl the .033, but at the EOD, the .033 held. Head fake to drag folks into cratering, but it did not have the UMPH to maintain the break thru the EOD.
Breakdown failed as of EOD.
I did not have $$ to toss into it once I had seen the Gartley and I would defininely have doubled up had I had uncommmitted $$.
I hate missed opportunities like that (and the two slam dunks this AM)
I doubt I'll make the mistake of letting posting distract me from trading tomorrow AM. I blew it for myself. Forget that rot, LOL. Ain't gonna' become a vanity play for my ego twice in a row, LOL. Hate losing money too much to be that insipidly stupid two days in a row.
Imperial Whazoo
Simplified English:
Its almost a perfect Gartley in the inter/intraday chart, using a period other than a daily.... I saw it best with both the hammer & the Gartley on the 65 minute.
Go read my EDIT in the other post a few minutes back.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71368718
Imperial Whazoo
And also.... lookit!! Did it just fail in the break of the .033?
My oh my.... nice.
Well guess what I just saw?
You know anything about Gartley s; about butterflies?
Find out at http://www.tfnn.com and elsewhere, but a bullish gartley butterfly is generally a strike up in wave 1, a 618 pullback in wave two (use the wave 1 range as base for the Fib fan), another intermediate upleg to the 382, and then a pullback to the 786 in wave 4.
It just did exactly that.... well, a bit sloppy on the tag of the 382, but the 618 & the 786 were spot on.
----/edit follows/-----
EDITED: BTW.... when I talk Fibs here and also mention periods like 78 minutes, what I overlook explaining to folks I have not bloged around is that I'm spotting a Gartley usding a chart like a 10 minute chart to base it oon. It jumps out at you in CBAI if you throw it up on a 10 minute, for example, but since the Gartley is using something other than a daily, you don't even get a clue if you just use a daily period chart.
I was looking at 65 minutes just now, kind of like when you were a student and learning to change lenses on your Biology class lab microscope. I stepped thru 10 minute, 13, 15, 26, 30, 39, 65, and 78. Thats when the Gartley and the hammer jumped out at you.
Just treat the periodicity like you are using multiple lenses to look at a slide on a microscope. Thats the ticket to changing the perspective so intraaday & interday patterns become apparent
-----/end of edit/-----
I use geometric SMA's..... by which I mean that I noticed a while back that there are 390 minutes in a day which obviously means that, for daytrading, its not rational to have 20 and 50 and 100 and 200 as your periods (where to place the untidy little slippage that is all the ugly remainder minutes, LOL).
So I use oddball periodicity like 78, 65, 39, 30, 26 and so on.
Anyway, just as a proof, go to the 78 or the 65 right now and toss it on screen. You see that hammer? Nice little signal those generally are.
We'll see.
Gotta say I did not expect a butterfly.
We'll see.
Imperial Whazoo
Terrible, LOL.
It ticks me off bigtime.
It hit the 786 Fib @ .03 moments ago. Lets see if it takes it out.
I seldom post and this rigamarole is why. Not only that, but I missed two slam dunk money maker opportunities due to wasted time at the open when I was typing instead of trading
Unfriggin'
Imperial Whazoo
Oh yeah.... trade the wave form. Don't be blind to the wave form. But that also means to grant the legitimacy of events that actually do happen, and the necessity of trading as though they actually happened.
It is neither blind upside commitment nor it's opposite.
I try to deliberate and use volume and Fibs and hanging men and hammers and pennants and all the tools, but in the end, it all devolves to learning to trade the wave form. Simnple as that.
Bottom line for me.... the big buy at the prior close, confluence at the 618 Fib retrace line, the two huge upside volume events....
....its not rational to miss opportunity that is pregnant and thats all there is to it.
Later, the opportuninty will manifest to take profits. It is every bit as pressing to see that when it happens as it is to actually dane to see the present situation as it really just happened.
Anyway, I'm done with this issue for the day.
I missed the trade in VELA due to pissing and moaning about the obvious here. CBAI is or it isn't as I observe. Do whatever floats yer boat. As for me, I'm done with the read of the action in this moments here. I gotta go make a buck or two.
Peace.
Imperial Whazoo
Yous said
That is a major force causing the downward trend,
That WAS a major force causing the downward trend,
Two excellently telling indicators that lend credence to the thought that there is a change in overall course happening right in front of our eyes.
Like I said.... the two big volume events thet just happened, as depicted by your chart so clearly, are upside events.
Very BIG upside events.
And like I also recognized by my post, the key to exciting my interest was the 1.7 million buy at the .033 point. It was just so darn telling.
And last evening, in my workout time to burn off the stress of the day, I realized that, if .033 is so undervalued that it was a screaming buy, doesn't it logically follow that, at yesterday's close of .034, it is also a screaming buy?
I mean... if a screaming buy as undervalued at .033.... undervalued enough to step up and buy 1.7 million shares in one felled swoop, it is obvious to me that it definitely remains a screaming buy at .034.
Like my kids say.... Duh!!
:o)
Imperial Whazoo
No prob guys. It just seemed to me that the buy of 1.7 million shares at the 618 Fib level and so forth was too important to NOT point out.
Everybody needs to think about what a 56,100 dollar buy in a single execution means. For a .033 stock, its huge.
That person now has a huge interest in holding this above that level because they have a huge stake on the table. They stated, by their act, that this company is a screaming buy because, they basically executed a screaming buy, LOL
I recall standing on the CBT and looking at the corn pits one day and realizing that what we all see as volume bars in a histogram along the bottom of a chart is really guys screaming at each other with their orders.
So when some guy screams out that he'll take 1.7 million at .033, it kind of ought to stop things for a beat or two and it ought to sink in that this big buyer is telling everybody who is there that this is where the value actually is.
And given that he intends to make a profit, what it actually says is that he thinks the thing is a bargain and that it deserves to be bought big time.
He is expecting the thing to go up considerably and he made a buy that, in essence said: "This puppy is way under valued at .033 and I'm going to step in and buy it bigtime right now".
So there is no way I expect this thing to fall from here. Give it a bit of time and I am 100% sure we will retest the tops of the last two days.
Simple as that.
Imperial Whazoo
No ordinary mining operation, development mining operation, or exploratory operation is like SFMI.
SFMI is unique.
They are totally unique because they have above ground rock and they run their company differently because their circumstances are totally different than any other mineral company on planet Earth.
Answer me this, people:
What is better: having no proven reserves (because SFMI has not filed a 43-101), but having a mill, having 800,000 tons of above grond rock, and being able to pour dore bars or having to spend 80 million dollars and 8 years to generate a 43-101 so you can say you have proven reserves?
And even though I hate the way SFMI handles keeping shareholders informed, I understand why they do it and I realize that, when it comes time to sell the company, everyone who had patience and held on to their shares will be hugely appreciative of what management did on their behalf.
I know and a few others on this board know that, as crummy as the way the news is handled is, SFMI is actually doing us all a big favor, and if anyone actually wants to figure it out, they might want to read posts going back a year or two. The explanation is in a single post, not made by me BTW, a long time ago.
Thats all I'll say.
But let me get back to this thing about SFMI being totally unique.
Consider comparing SFMI to another company that has just become a precious metal producing company.
Unlike a company like, for example, Exeter, SFMI did not need to spend 80 million dollars to get rock into above ground piles that they can grind up at a mill they have built.
SFMI is totally unique because it does not suffer from the need, like other companies, to get in the rut of spending a vast fortune to QUANTIFY its reserves prior to becomeng a producer.
Seems to me that, having 800,000 tons of above ground rock and being a year and a half ahead by being up and running is a far better situation than having to spend 80 million dollars to be able to say to all the debaters out there, that you have proven reserves.
I'm totally reliant on reading charts. And I'm watching this one closely because it has has two impressive volume events on the last two days, both upside events.
Here's the way I see it.
From a chart point of view, does anyone realize that it closed today above the close from yesterday?
The pull back today touched the low that would have been below yesterday's close.
It closed yesterday at .0338 and it touched .033 three times today, the last failed attempt being at 15:21:28 for 132,200 shares. Then, instead of staying down there, and closing below yesterday's close, it closed above it today at .034.
Thats important.
And look at the three failed attempts to breach .033
The first at 12:51:42 for 56K shares.
But the second was really noteworthy because (at 13:11:38) it was for 1,700,000 million shares.
Biggest trade of the day.
And that is the one that got my attention because you have to realize that somebody sold....
Thats obvious, but realize that somebody ALSO stepped in for 1.7 million shares at .033
Somebody made a rather big buy.
Thats $56,100 BTW.
Somebody is in this for at least 1.7 million shares amounting to 56,000 dollars.
For a 3 cent stock, that ain't chump change.
OK, sooo....
Ask the following question: If you just stepped in for 1.7 million shares at .033, COSTING YOU 56,000 DOLLARS, do you think that maybe there is support at that level? Does anyone think a guy making that kind of decision might look at attempts to take this below .033 a tad disfavorably?
Ya think maybe that kind of player might defend the buy that they just made?
That is, by definition, BTW, support.
I mean, somebody is not going to like to have .033 broken because they will be upside down for some stiff money if that happens.
Thats why it was important.
The fact is that .033 was a MAJOR buy point and it survived three tests and the close was above it, while also being above yesterday's close.
The board is silent, but notice the chart: Somebody just stepped across the bid and bought 165,770 shares in a single minute. Not bad.
Imperial Whazoo
I love that. I do not like having to chase the ask, LOL. I think I've had to change my bid a dozen times so far to even get a small fill. My take on that? I feel its always good in a runner to have it hard to get into, but guessing the changes in the bid/ask ahead of time is like playng craps.
Imperial Whazoo
I hope so. Lets see if it gets a general "awareness" push. I hate flash in the pan bursts to the upside because they tend to be bursts, as in busts, LOL.
I'm hoping the news gets interest going. I jumped in on the chart itself and only found out why after already taking a position. Hope I did not make a mistake, LOL.
Imperial Whazoo
Hey folks -
The reason this stock is moving is this article/news:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/D-R-Awarded-Contract-pz-2252602245.html?x=0
Headline
"D&R is Awarded Contract to Manufacture and Develop Tooling for New 2012 Toyota Vehicle"
I jumped in and had to nose around until I found the news.
This is big, IMHO.
Looking for it to go further to the upside. So far, it zipped up and, near as I can tell using standard Fib retrace lines, it has done no more than approximately a .382 retrace.
So, the zip up to the upside is what happens in these cases, as is a retrace, but the important detail is how much of a retrace.
I think a .382 retrace tells me what I want to know and unless or until it does some Fib retrace greater than that, it remains looking fine as regards whether the news will provide a basis for a new and higher trading range going forward.
JMO
Imperial Whazoo
Read my posts again yourself.
I'm not contending they are operational.
Thats somebody else's misguided wording, not mine.
As far as I'm concerned, the mere existence of a machine is different from that maching being "operational", and I think "operational" is an undefined variable, that refers to a process that, given that these are machines that have not existed on planet Earth in times past, it remains to be seen what is actually involved in getting to whatever "operational" is.
That said, I just do not think that these three machines are unconstructed metal parts in a pile in some warehouse, quansit hut, or shed.
I think that the task of getting them "operational" remains to be done and defined.
I personally think that they are not a pile of unconstructed metal. I think we are closer to them being actually "operational", as you so cunningly put it, is short. IMHO, they get approval and then whatever is involved in kicking them into usage gets rolling like a dragster on the quarter mile strip. You think the dragster is still in design. I do not. I think it will get approved, staffed, fired up and so forth in very short order.
Simple difference in opinion, both opinions unproven, in any case.
And thats all there is to it.
And by the way, I hope I'm right and I hope you are wrong.
Imperial Whazoo
I hold that, given that the NYDEC put it in their own words that the purpose of the deadline dated process is to rule on letting 3 units obtain approval (or disapproval), I simlpy want to have it said that it defies logic that the state of affairs is as oblique and liquid as all the JBI haters have contended for so long.
Logically, you can not ignore the manner in which the notoriously difficult NYDEC chose to say things on their own web page.
I'm saying that, given the wording the NYDEC chose, I am not convinced the machines are theoretical as of today. I think they are candidates for usage. Whether this makes them operational depends on the ongoing argument about how many angles can dance on the head of a pin.
I think it is important that the NYDEC said it openly and I think that it makes a difference, considering all the other ways it could have been stated if the case were that both machines were vaporware at this point.
As hard as the NYDEC is to obtain approval from, it defies logic for it to be the case, IMHO, that the situation is one of non-existent machinery.
As to whether that means they will be considered instantly operational the moment the ink dries on the NYDEC signatures.... I have no opinion, because I never contended that they were "operational".
Somebody else chose to shove that particular phrase in my face.
I think that the last obstacle is the state's approval process, where the state has now been clear that what they will do is grant approval (or disapproval) for 3 units.
I think they are a hard ass agency and that they will do just that and that, assuming approval, a process will follow that will involve, in very short order, the news that three units are in existence and there are two new ones that, since approval has been granted, are going to get fired up, tuned up, staffed, and so forth.
The instantaneousness of this being considered "operational" is a debate that I think is fatuous.
Imperial Whazoo