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Looking at the volume, allot of excitement out there. Golly gee, that must be why the CEO is silent. Must be big things happening. (What a joke).
Well,
Some one is panicking
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Boy, you probable got that right. The SFRX CEO.
Kyle only goes " Quiet " when there is a reason.
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That seems obvious.
What evidence would satisfy you?
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Results. There are none. It's a long running joke.
The SeaSearcher makes your point futile.
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What evidence is there the Tinker Toy works. None. What has it found. Nothing
Quote: Never expected you to admit you were wrong.
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I didn't. This seems to have turned into a word or phrase picking game in order to divert attention from the fact that SFRX is a fifteen year failure on all fronts. Can't find a shipwreck. Can't find treasure and can't produce flaunted dreamland technology. The CEO's Tinker Toy. Allot of laughs.
Quote: And I might add that any trivial arguments will also not make a difference
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You know, you're right. With this zero success company its put up or shut up time. Has been for a very long time.
Goldenboy17 Tuesday, 09/29/20 11:59:32 AM
Re: None 0
Post # of 63004
Dodge. "I just said IF it exists..."
Which means you are saying it does NOT exist. You said it was only a "concept" and that there was "no tech".
Those are your own words.
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Why these trivial exchanges. Fact is the Tinker Toy is unproven to even do anything. Never a lick of real evidence shown. Has never found anything and stands as an on going joke in treasure hunting circles. Beyond that one has to ponder what's this all about really? This company can't even find a shipwreck yet alone deploy this marvelous unproven toy to find the treasure (wouldn't even be needed). No salvage permit (to salvage what?) and even if a Spanish shipwreck were found, Spain will come down on the salvage operation like bolt lightning, legal evidence already given.
Quote: Hard to argue with the guy who said the SeaSearcher doesn't exist.
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How said it didn't exist?
Even though it does, it obviously doesn't work. There's no evidence that it does. It's found no treasure, so that's the bottom line.
Quote: Thanks for sharing. Do you have a link?
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No. As I stated in my post, that was paragraph excerpt taken from the U.S. State Department letter as sent to a 'family member' who's rather astute to these matters.
As previously mentioned, in my opinion, with this U.S. position along with the UNESCO U.W.C.H. position, treasure hunting for, particularly Spanish treasure ships, paints a dismal picture for any future in the treasure hunting industry.
An apparent lack of foresight and due diligence on behalf of this company.
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For Goold, it’s simple: “Ships that belong to foreign nations remain the property of foreign nations and the wishes of foreign nations are to be respected.
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The following is a paragraph taken from a letter written by the U.S. Department of State dated on
July 24, 2018. The 'to whom' and name of U.S. Dept. of State Deputy who signed said letter are omitted.
Thank you for notifying us of your planned activities. Domestic and International law vest states with title to their sunken warships AND OTHER SHIPS subject to sovereign immunity, regardless of when the sinking occurred, unless the state expressly relinquishes title. Additionally, their resting places at sea are protected from unauthorized disturbance or commercial exploration. The United States is committed to the principle of sovereign immunity for sunken warships and cannot support any activities that would contravene that principle.
(I capitalized 'AND OTHER SHIPS'))
With this position along with the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty, this industry of searching for and recovering Spanish galleon treasures is sadly a dead issue. To me its rather clear that SFRX didn't do their due diligence homework for investors.
Quote:You are never going to convince someone of something when they don't want to be convinced of it. They weren't reasoned into their opinions so they can't be reasoned out of it.
Notice the attempt to argue two opposing ideas: First, that the SeaSearcher technology already exists and Two, that it can't possible exist because it would defy physics.
And then the very uninformed argument that the SeaSearcher is merely a "software modification" to existing technology even though photos of totally new hardware were already available for public viewing.
At least they are no longer trying to say the SeaSearcher doesn't physically exist at all which was where they started.
Also unable to discern that weather changes from one day to the next and not going out one day with 15 foot waves does not mean they can't go out a week later with much lower waves.
And don't forget the many instances of Gish Gallop.
These logical fallacies will continue for reasons that have already been exposed.
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Actually none of what you've said is really reverent. Bottom line is it obviously doesn't work and its found nothing.
Smart people would have performed simulated tests in an actual already found 1715 or 1733 shipwreck site with pre-buried non-ferrous metals. The shipwreck being important as it presents all the normal ferro-magnetic contaminates. Also prepare to move and do their surveys in research determined areas where the 'Concepcion' and treasure are. Not where it isn't. Apparently these aren't very smart people.
Quote: Tinkerbell 2.0 tows a buoy making it highly inefficient and limited.
Regardless, nothing that you've posted even suggested of any game changing or new technology. Tinkerbell 2.0 would be useless over 100’, even if it worked at all.
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Apparently its useless in under 100 ft. water depth. There is no factual evidence that it even does anything accurately and efficiently. Thus - worthless. Stllan on going joke.
Quote: The SeaSearcher flies like a ray manually or autonomous just a few feet off of the sea-bottom and uses an array of specialized sensors to develop a 3D image of what is on and below the sea-bottom including its likely composition attributes.
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All talk. No show. Non-performing tinker toy.
Quote: No way in hell the criminal Micah gets to use the technology of Seafarer.
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It appears by nonperformance and silence, Seafarer technology is one big joke. As for me, I don't know Micah but the by the way you make your statement it sounds like your on the board of directors or a real honest to goodness company man. And finally, why would 'Micah' even entertain want of use of an unproven piece of crap?
Quote: I do appreciate the weather posts. Just wondering how you are sure their not out working? Jmo
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Read the Gman3343 post second line down.
Gman3343 Saturday, 09/26/20 07:50:30 AM
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Post # of 62964
I have heard No Comment several times over the years, and nothing happened.
Their not even in the water, he did say seas are too high.
He did not tell me if the new tech was actually working or not.
Now why would that be a No Comment.
We all know about the tech, so is it working or not ?
That has nothing to do with treasure, its simple, is the tech working as you planned.
He can comment on that, but he wont.
That tells me, its not working. Just a hunch.
What was the CEO's excuse? The weather's bad? Well what might the excuse be next week. The marine forecast allows very workable conditions.
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AMZ552-270915-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
326 PM EDT Sat Sep 26 2020
TONIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet with a
dominant period 9 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal
waters.
SUNDAY
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet with a dominant
period 7 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight
chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SUNDAY NIGHT
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet with a
dominant period 9 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal
waters. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
MONDAY
South winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A
moderate chop on the intracoastal waters. Showers likely and
chance of thunderstorms.
MONDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots becoming south
10 to 15 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A light chop on
the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and slight chance of
thunderstorms.
TUESDAY
South winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A
moderate chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
TUESDAY NIGHT
Southwest winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to
4 feet. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
WEDNESDAY
Southwest winds 10 knots becoming west in the
afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of showers and slight chance
of thunderstorms.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
Northwest winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to
3 feet. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
THURSDAY
North winds 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of
showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Quote: Its been alot of hot air.
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How right you are. That's how the 'hot air balloon' gets filled. Its called methane gas, sometimes derived from pure bullshit.
Quote: Seeing is believing...
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Seeing is believing what? A cool little drama film about finding nothing? Seeing is believing when you don't have to talk about it. From most professional perspectives, this is a bunch of amateurs who just don't heed the research or the facts that stare them right in the face. Smart experienced operators would have moved on a long time ago. But wait. The unproven, non-performing Tinkerbell will magically find what isn't even there. An on going joke.
What a post. A rehash of on going excuses. Bottom line is performance - results. The facts are there are none. May I say your language is getting just a bit 'salty'. That tells me something.
Quote: Gman3343 Wednesday, 09/23/20 11:15:05 PM
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Post # of 62913
Just got an update, seas are high , their doing everything they can and dont intend to let us down.
Cant comment beyond that.
Thats not very promising.
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That up-date is amusing. I've been periodically putting NOAA weather/sea condition forecasts on post here with comment. The amateurs they are, they know this work on the Florida east coast is seasonal. Anyone can look at the weather reports. So that's supposed to be an up-date?
Quote: Seafarer and the SeaSearcher on the other hand can quickly scan a site and locate not only the treasure and it's location but the volume of treasure. With the combination of the hi res sonar and the metal interrogator they will know the size, shape, location and what it is made of.
I guess you have to ask yourself: Do you want to invest in a company that finds wrecks or a company that finds gold, silver and treasure?
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Now here's a statement worth printing , framing and hanging on the wall for laughs. A company that can't even find a shipwreck in fifteen years yet along gold and silver.
An instrument that's all talk and no show for well over a year now. No evidence that it does anything as stated in your post. If you have FACTUAL EVIDENCE please post it.
Any patents or patents pending on this find all, know all Tinker Toy?
Quote: Yes, the old highly inefficient method of hunting and pecking for treasure once a wreck was located is going the way of the dodo bird
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What a naive statement You just tell that in any application to any Ministry of Culture of any country that even allows treasure hunting any more and they'l turn you around and show you the door out. Always, a shipwreck must be worked in its entirety. What a nonsense statement.
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Your post has nothing to do with your original claim. Perhaps you are right that a background in geolocation systems technology has nothing in common with locating shipwrecks. I don't know how that wacky notion ever entered my head.
What he said!!
More popcorn
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Wow sctts. You've been eating SFRX popcorn for a long time. You've gotta be sick of it by now.
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I'm ready for Seafarer to announce treasure found with the SeaSearcher. This is one of the only things that will really start a long climb upward for the stock price of SFRX
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A repeat of absolute meaningless. The 'I want for Christmas list''. On going excuses for failure.
Quote: Again, I believe this is nothing more than a modification of existing technology.
The only mention of anything proprietary is the software.
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I agree completely. Intelligent these eggheads may be, they're out of their league just the same. If it worked SFRX would be shouting it from the house tops and even the man on the moon would know it. When I saw the penny stock CEO sitting in the 'operators' seat supposedly operating the Tinkerbell, I had to believe it was amateur hour. Over one thousand targets, no marine geologist on board for interpretation of those so called targets, one who's experienced in defining sub-bottom parabola definitions, it was rather obvious as being a clown show performance. Possibly somewhere down the line they got someone who knows what they're doing. As to the two smart boys mentioned, they aren't too smart when lacking the common sense to do simulation tests on an actual Spanish Colonial shipwreck site. Experienced Pro's do that kind of thing. Amateurs obviously don't. All this and no wreck site to boot.
Quote: I suspect the issues are locating a wreck and having the proper permitting as you have pointed out many times. Hopefully they will provide details.
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About the fifth time I mentioned this but common sense would have been to test this so called great new technology on a known Spanish colonial shipwreck site after pre-burying non-ferrous targets within and around the site. The wreck naturally has non-ferrous 'contaminates' to interfere such as igneous ballast, iron fittings, etc., etc.. This would prove its capabilities but then again this is what experienced professionals would do. These are not experienced professionals. By what evidence do you believe this Tinkerbell even works. Yes, by what evidence?
Quote: I'm of the opinion a CEO making such projections that are out of his control is irresponsible.
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That word irresponsible covers most of what this circus has been doing for years well proven by the track record.
Here's another marine forecast that paints the seasonal picture. But, hey, they got those spiffy lolly pop sports boats (whoever selected them?) to get out there and perform. Bad weather, instrumentation that apparently doesn't perform, and no wreck site. No wonder there's silence.
AMZ552-212030-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
400 AM EDT Mon Sep 21 2020
GALE WARNING IN EFFECT THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON
...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
TUESDAY EVENING...
TODAY
Northeast winds 20 to 30 knots with gusts to gale force.
Seas 11 to 15 feet with a dominant period 13 seconds. Rough on
the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers.
TONIGHT
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots diminishing to 15 to
20 knots after midnight. Seas 10 to 13 feet with a dominant
period 13 seconds. Rough on the intracoastal waters. Slight
chance of showers.
TUESDAY
Northeast winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 8 to 11 feet with
a dominant period 13 seconds. Choppy on the intracoastal waters.
Slight chance of showers.
TUESDAY NIGHT
East winds 15 to 20 knots diminishing to 10 to
15 knots after midnight. Seas 8 to 11 feet. Choppy on the
intracoastal waters.
WEDNESDAY
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 8 to 11 feet. A
moderate chop on the intracoastal waters.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 7 to 10 feet.
THURSDAY
Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 6 to 9 feet.
Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
THURSDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 5 to
7 feet. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
FRIDAY
Southeast winds 10 knots. Seas 4 to 6 feet. Chance of
showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Quote: Don't worry yourself for us shareholders. Were just fine.
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And the band played on while the Titanic went down.
Quote: I agree, so far I havent seen proof it works and I dont think anybody else has either.
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What's even more dismal is that in all probability. the wreck isn't even in the SFRX area. FLOTSAM
AMZ552-192030-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
411 AM EDT Sat Sep 19 2020
...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM EDT THIS AFTERNOON
THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING...
TODAY
North winds 5 to 10 knots increasing to 15 to 20 knots
late in the afternoon. Seas 4 to 6 feet with a dominant period
15 seconds. Choppy on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers
and slight chance of thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
Northeast winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 8 to 11 feet with
a dominant period 15 seconds. Choppy on the intracoastal waters.
Showers likely and slight chance of thunderstorms.
SUNDAY
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 10 to 13 feet with
a dominant period 16 seconds. Rough on the intracoastal waters.
Showers likely and slight chance of thunderstorms.
SUNDAY NIGHT
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 10 to
14 feet. Rough on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
slight chance of thunderstorms.
MONDAY
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots. Seas 10 to 13 feet.
Rough on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers.
MONDAY NIGHT
Northeast winds 20 to 25 knots diminishing to
15 to 20 knots after midnight. Seas 9 to 12 feet. Slight chance
of showers.
TUESDAY
Northeast winds 15 to 20 knots. Seas 8 to 11 feet.
Slight chance of showers.
TUESDAY NIGHT
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 6 to 9 feet.
Slight chance of showers.
WEDNESDAY
East winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 6 to 9 feet. Slight
chance of showers.
With the exception of the rare occasional weather breaks that happen during the fall and winter season, the weather/sea conditions forecast I've posted will be the norm. until spring/summer. Having said that, not too long ago one of the regular SFRX cheerleaders here made comment, oh, Seafarers will have big boats out there and they can work right on through the bad season. What big boats? Even big boats can't work in these sea conditions. With the exception of the 'Iron Maiden' blower boat, the other's are little 'lolly-pop' sport boats never in their wildest dream would be able to work out there. I didn't say even get out there but work out there.
Its really interesting that there's dead silence on this fabulous technology (Tinkerbell) which apparently doesn't work. Never has real evidence been shown proving that it does. If I missed it, someone direct me to that link.
Quote: How long can it take to provide proof.....something
they have repeatedly claimed worked since July 2019, actually works?
Its a crap show. You know it, I know it.
Let's see what happens, shall we?
I've never had a problem with that. But then, I'm an actual shareholder.
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I don't have any problem with it either. I'm not a shareholder but I can't help but enjoy a long running clown show like this one is.
You failed to grasp my point.
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Not at all. It seems you failed to grasp my point.
Technology that works and technology that doesn't work. There are Professionals. There are amateurs.
Will be, wanna be, just you wait and see technology doesn't interest me. What's proven to work is what interests me. Now that's an easy point to grasp.
Quote: Right. Historically people used burning torches for light. Then along came the lightbulb.
History is about to change.
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We're not talking about people burning torches for light. We're talking about finding sunken shipwrecks with Treasure and cultural artifacts. Whatever would you have against Cesium magnetics? I've done it before and I'm not going to belabor myself to do it again but simply make a left column list of all the famous, rich treasure galleons that were found with magnetometers, in most cases by creditable professionals. Now in the right column make a list of what this bunch of clowns have found with your idolized Buck Rogers Sea-mobile, or for that matter, with any remote sensing application. Nothing.
Quote: You are focused on wrecks. Seafarer is focused on treasure.
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Obviously you're not aware that one finds the wreck and then one finds the treasure. Historically, that just happens to be the way it works. That's quite a statement about a company that has found neither shipwrecks or treasure along with flaunting a gizmo for which there's no proof it works. I mean, as I recall they had over 1,000 targets tinker bell logged and needed to be checked out. That turned out to be a flop as there was not a competent experienced person capable of target interpretation, recognizing the targets were geological parabolas in all likelihood.
As to 'Seafarer is focused on treasure', tell that to any governments cultural agency and they'll show you were the exit door is. That is if you can even find a country that hasn't signed the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty.
As to your comment regarding 'trinkets', this clown town outfit only wishes they could find some.
Quote: Tim Reynolds and Don Beaver are clowns? I guess being a clown now means someone who is more successful than you. Pass me the big shoes and red nose because I want to be in that circus tent!
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In their respected fields I would imagine they are credible. In this case they're out of their league.
Quote: I've played with Tinker Toys. As everyone can see with their own eyes, this is no Tinker Toy. Please describe to me the difference between 'marine science and technology' and 'science and technology.'
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If it worked, they'd be encouraging the stockholders and telling the world. No such thing has occurred which is obvious.
The marine since and technology aspect has all to do with working in a marine saltwater environment and actual varying geological bottom and sub-bottom conditions. Not testing in some fish tank or backyard swimming pool. You tell me when this tinker toy was ever tested and calibrated on an actual colonial shipwreck site?
Quote: It's 13 years and one of my previous recent posts showed an example of something they learned. They are continuing to learn almost every day as they continue to improve on the SeaSearcher. It did take a while to learn that just about everybody in the industry is a short-sighted lying scumbag. That's cost the company a few times.
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They obviously haven't learned anything in 13 years. They've never found a shipwreck, never found treasure. If they had learned, they wouldn't naively by doing what they're doing. They would have assessed their field results with what actual documented research states, and then moved on a long time ago.
Quote: Cannons were traditionally found with the wreck and treasure because it was the only way to find the treasure because of the limitation of the existing technology. You had to find the big cannons to find the other parts, ID the wreck and hope for treasure on board. How many times did the cannons separate from or fall out of the wreck at a different time than the treasure? Maybe just a few hundred yards out of range. So a wreck could have broken apart, losing cargo and items at different times. So there could be treasure where there are no cannons and there could be cannons where there is no treasure. I don't think that all wrecks went down the same way and stayed together as a perfect little bundle of wreck material, cannons and treasure.
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Of course circumstances vary respective to how a shipwreck goes down. Not all cannons are going to necessarily be all there in the nucleus of a shipwreck site. In the case of a shipwreck with 32 cannons, a significant quantity are going to be within the site and its proximity. It doesn't require BIG cannons to be detectable in a magnetometer survey. A survey properly done by experiences professionals (not that I stated professionals) using a cesium marine magnetometer with altimeter (off-bottom height control) will detect even small ferro-magnetic targets and even (in many cases) ballast concentrations due to the igneous magnetite within the rocks. All notable historic treasure wrecks have been found with magnetometers when used by professionals. This tinker bell toy is all talk and hasn't found crap.
Quote: Pretty sure it was Greg Bounds who ran the original mag survey. Someone who you said was a good guy at one point. But as we all know now, almost everyone in this business is a lying scumbag. His survey was terrible and useless. Seafarer got their own equipment and had our guy from NASA run it. Many, many more hits that actually led to wreck material. But hunt and peck is no way to find treasure. And the functionality of the SeaSearcher has been addressed.
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I don't even know Greg Bounds. Never hear of him so how could I say he's a good guy? Woopie. They got their own equipment and had their guy from NASA run it. It seems to be just assumed that using the NASA card is some kind of magic word. That depends on many things. The 'NASA guy', what experience background did he have in conducting marine magnetometer surveys? What had her ever found? In making the statements as you do, you apparently have never done or been involved in marine survey work nor have you probably ever even seen a early period shipwreck. There is a procedure applied to a given area as defined by a magnetometer survey. This involves a stage two survey using ferrous / non-ferrous metal detection applications from surface boat or by divers. Great treasure wrecks have been found this way using proven methodology.
And no, I don't view SFRX as professionals in any way as they have achieved nothing and they don't deserve to even be called such.
Quote: I guess you have to ask yourself: Do you want to invest in a company that finds wrecks or a company that finds gold, silver and treasure?
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Hilarious statement. This circus can't find shipwrecks. Can't find gold. Can't find silver.