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RVS,
I think I am most P.O.D by the level of past and present interest you shared with this board being a kind of Moderator for us only to see you this disheartened due to the company’s approach to the investors. Thanks for all of your effort. Everyone knows you went far and above the call of decency.
Again, thanks for everything,
Nez
amechi,
I hope you are serious as IMO you are the best person to do so as you have consistently shown the board that you don't have "rose colored glasses on." I mean this as a compliment and would much rather get a report from someone who is going to look at things with as critically as possible and I have every confidence you will do just that. (Wish I could be there, especially if they try to "shine" you on!) Man that would be a hoot to watch! LOL
After all of your negativism it will also be great to see that you turn out to be the investor's secret weapon or MOAB! Go get them!!!!
TIA,
Nez
ohgeez,
I'm curious why people are still talking about "Investo Source." Here is a link:
http://www.stockinformationsystems.com/c/ATWT/index.html
I have been watching this site for a while now. I assume it is the new investors relation site. I say assume because I am reluctant to think that this is ATWEC's "Home Page 2" or that they have two investor relations sites."
I haven't read todays posts and this may already have been discussed but the first and only post I saw was yours mentioning "Chris @ InvestSource." I was told at least a month ago by Investo Source, Chris and others that Investo Source was out of the picture and Chris was still working for ATWEC and also had maintained a "good" relationship with "Investo Source. Whether it is a working type of relationship I don't know. I also assumed everyone else knew this and that is why I didn't post anything about it. Any thoughts or I am just completely out of the loop?
One other thing, anyone know how much a site or position on a site like this costs?
JMO and FWIW,
Nez
Hawkeiz,
You are a wise person.
Nez
Good point Stock.
Nez
I still say if Mr. Wiley and co. screws us then they also screw West Bend/NSI not to mention all of the politicos that supported legislation that ATWEC alerted them to.
Also, when a company ends up "scamming" a group of people I have noticed if the victims were children, god help the company and everyone associated with them.
West Bend has lawyers (probably a large amount) on retainer and if ATWEC causes them any sort of defamation, look out ATWEC.
JMO but I can't see ATWEC shooting themselves in the head for a few years of carefree "spending of investor’s money."
JMO,
Nez
Randy,
This is about a product, which IMO could be used in conjunction with the FriskerPro, to enable locals in areas infested with land mines to safly remove them.
A previous post to hotdag explains it.
Nez
hotdog,
This is an example of a new approach to marketing PDGT will inevitably adopt, IMO. For this application, one needs to be as accurate and gentle as possible when using the “FriskerPro™” for the following application. This is something that any "wand type" detector will never be able to achieve when compared to the sensitivity and control of a human hand, IMO.
I was watching a show on the History or Discovery channel about High Tech Weapons the other day.
One of the devices was a land mine neutralizing system, called, “The Dragon!" (Neat name hmmm!)
This is a device that is safe, easy to use, and is designed to "burn" land mines without an explosion. It looks like a really big bottle rocket but instead of the exhaust shooting the devise skyward, it directs the flame at the land mine and actually burns through (I think it was something like half an inch of metal) and it also “burns” any explosive material without a catastrophic explosion, the threat of shrapnel or sympathetic detonation of nearby mines, which can potentially occur when a mine is discovered and destroyed.
I believe the show said this devise is seeing active duty right now and IMO it is just a matter of time before people realize it is safer to pass your hand above the ground in an effort to detect mines, rather than stick a knife into the ground.
When they first started the story, the host was shown on his stomach, with a knife in his hand and he made the comment "although there are many different types of mine detectors, the most reliable is still the human being with a knife to probe the ground in front of him and the patience and training to do the job right." This really struck me as
The main idea is not for our military to use the “Dragon” but for the local people to use it. As I said before, they also made the point that by using this devise sympathetic detonation of closely laid mines in a mine field is avoided so you know the military will also have a further use for the “Frisker Pro™.”
Instead of taking all of the time required to "probe" the ground with a knife, mark the mine with a flag (this guy is a retired Navy Seal), what if he had a "Frisker Pro™” to use rather than probe the ground.
One of the main selling points for the “Dragon” incendiary unit is that it can be used by local or indigenous peoples after the combatants leave. As the device works without explosives it can be used by lightly trained locals or villagers. The “Dragon” is cheap so it is attainable for low income villages and the like.
Now if they need a low cost way of mine disposal, wouldn’t a low cost method of detection also be needed? IMO it is a given. This is just one more reason I too believe that it is just a matter of time for PDGT and the thought of “if” is not even an issue.
IMO, I believe that prosthetic feet and legs cost far more than a kit containing a “Dragon” mine neutralizer and a “Frisker Pro™” metal detector.
JMO,
Nez
The Discorvery Channel show I posted yesterday featuring "The Dragon" mine destroyer is currently airing now. The segment comes towards the end of the show. EST 11:00 Am
Nez
hotdog,
I didn't speak to anyone about this application as I just learned of it the other day. What ever the episode was, it also featured a device, operated by sound and the shock wave produced by bullets, that can located the exact point from which a sniper round was fired. They mount these things on HUMVEES and are using them right now in Afganistan.
I am going to e-mail Camilla Cutler as I have been in touch with her about another application. I am trying to search for the episode as I remember they did give the name of the company that produces the "Dragon" and I would like to be able to point her in the right direction. I'll keep people updated if it is appropriate.
Thanks,
Nez
hotdog,
This is an example of a new approach to marketing PDGT will inevitably adopt, IMO. For this application, one needs to be as accurate and gentle as possible when using the “FriskerPro™” for the following application. This is something that any "wand type" detector will never be able to achieve when compared to the sensitivity and control of a human hand, IMO.
I was watching a show on the History or Discovery channel about High Tech Weapons the other day.
One of the devices was a land mine neutralizing system, called, “The Dragon!" (Neat name hmmm!)
This is a device that is safe, easy to use, and is designed to "burn" land mines without an explosion. It looks like a really big bottle rocket but instead of the exhaust shooting the devise skyward, it directs the flame at the land mine and actually burns through (I think it was something like half an inch of metal) and it also “burns” any explosive material without a catastrophic explosion, the threat of shrapnel or sympathetic detonation of nearby mines, which can potentially occur when a mine is discovered and destroyed.
I believe the show said this devise is seeing active duty right now and IMO it is just a matter of time before people realize it is safer to pass your hand above the ground in an effort to detect mines, rather than stick a knife into the ground.
When they first started the story, the host was shown on his stomach, with a knife in his hand and he made the comment "although there are many different types of mine detectors, the most reliable is still the human being with a knife to probe the ground in front of him and the patience and training to do the job right." This really struck me as
The main idea is not for our military to use the “Dragon” but for the local people to use it. As I said before, they also made the point that by using this devise sympathetic detonation of closely laid mines in a mine field is avoided so you know the military will also have a further use for the “Frisker Pro™.”
Instead of taking all of the time required to "probe" the ground with a knife, mark the mine with a flag (this guy is a retired Navy Seal), what if he had a "Frisker Pro™” to use rather than probe the ground.
One of the main selling points for the “Dragon” incendiary unit is that it can be used by local or indigenous peoples after the combatants leave. As the device works without explosives it can be used by lightly trained locals or villagers. The “Dragon” is cheap so it is attainable for low income villages and the like.
Now if they need a low cost way of mine disposal, wouldn’t a low cost method of detection also be needed? IMO it is a given. This is just one more reason I too believe that it is just a matter of time for PDGT and the thought of “if” is not even an issue.
IMO, I believe that prosthetic feet and legs cost far more than a kit containing a “Dragon” mine neutralizer and a “Frisker Pro™” metal detector.
JMO,
Nez
ohgeez,
IMO, you have a great idea as there are many free avenues that might bring greater attention to ATWEC. I thought I would add my 2 cents about some ideas;
Overall, when people (my wife and I found it interesting anyway) look at the whole picture of ATWEC, its history and the positive effect ATWEC and its products may potentially have on public safety, this subject might generate an increase in public interest regarding ATWEC if an article were printed.
A few subjects directly related to public interest are child safety, the entrepreneurial spirit, savings to tax payers in the form of insurance discounts to school bus operators who install ATWEC systems and sign with "NSI of West Bend Insurance."
Also, ATWEC as one of the "first publicly traded, minority owned companies," could really add to the public debate about “affirmative action.”
I am not even sure if ATWEC has taken advantage of the minority owned business tax incentives but if they did or didn’t plays into one side or the other in the ongoing public debate over “affirmative action.” For instance, ATWEC’s participation in the program (I think tax breaks are the form the incentives come in) could be an argument for the program just as ATWEC’s not taking advantage of the program could be an argument against the need for incentives. Either way, through an article in a widely read magazine, ATWEC might enjoy a higher level of public awareness and hopefully public support.
IMO, there are enough different angles of human interest contained in the story which would appeal to a broad audience and thus interest magazines like the following.
(I got the idea from reading in one of the past and recent month’s issues of “Readers Digest,” a story about ETIM. IMO, this may have something to do with ETIM’s recent run, JMO.)
As people can see from my past posts, I really don’t write well. That is the understatement of the year!! LOL. In fact, I have to use a voice recognition program to write and even with this, my wife has to check the mistakes as the system is far from perfect.
Anyway, I sent a "proposal” for a story on Alex Wiley, his efforts and the "children left behind" problem to "Readers Digest" using what little I could find on the web. I sent the story to RD but due to my writing shortcomings, I doubt my “proposal” will meet Readers Digest’s requirements. However, I have seen some really good pieces written here and I hope this post will inspire one of the more talented and literary capable people to send in their own version. Who knows, we might get lucky. It worked for ETIM!
Readers Digest @: http://www.rd.com/articleproposal.do?wtGroup=RDCOM_FOOTER&wtID=ARTPROP_SITE&lid=31
Also, due to the strong "faith" of Mr. Wiley and some important people on the Board of directors at ATWEC, I felt there might be some interest from a magazine called "Guide Posts." I sent them basically the same proposal but in this case adding the "strong faith" angle. Guide Posts is a thin monthly magazine focusing on positive and inspiring stories about people overcoming obstacles by the inspiration their faith gives them. Even if you don’t believe in the premise of the magazine, IMO, child safety touches us all and the more the public hears and becomes aware of the problem of children left on school busses, the chance of a resolution to the problem increases.
Guide Posts @:
http://www.dailyguideposts.com/customerservice/suggestions.asp
I also am working on informing my local school board about ATWEC products. I don’t know about other people’s local tax situations but where I live, this is a very volatile subject. Especially this year as the school board is seeking an increase in local school taxes. I think it is a good idea to “strike while the iron is hot” and with all the uproar over local taxes, I hope the board will look into ATWEC and West Bend (NSI) as this may reduce the overall tax increase necessary. I am also thinking about a letter to the editor of our local papers to let them know that there are opportunities available to reduce school related costs and if nothing else, before taxes are raised, every costs saving opportunity should be explored before raising taxes. Savings are savings right? This may be the subject which the majority of people can relate to as it affects them directly. Even if they don't have children, everyone pays taxes!
These are just some ideas and I post them some of the more talented and capable people who read these boards might pick up the ball and run with it by writing a story worth printing. That is why I included the links. This is just my 2 cents but what can it hurt?
JMO,
Nez
Thanks for this post Stock Gil. I couldn't find the site as my "favorites and personal memory" crashed recently!
Nez
It seems to me that many boards focus attention on alerting others to companies that file new REDEX or 144D filings.
I know the list I have included towards the end of post is a far from complete but many sites right here at I-Hub have missed this alleged filing certain people are continually worried about or I should say, "the same people keep pounding.
IMO, this type of filing is very difficult to get all of the facts about. Since we know there was one previously, (it’s even on ATWT's site) it is easy for the same people to continually bring up this old news with a "fresh coat of paint." I may be way off here but there seems to be moderators of sites with far more experience than we generally see here that are more knowledgeable than the same people who are always bring this up.
I may be wrong but I agree with those who are of the opinion that these posts are about "old news."
If I am wrong, then I guess some experienced moderators forgot to add ATWT to their lists. (See partial list at end of this post which has some boards dedicated to identifying companies like this)
One thing I do know is that there seems to be a sudden surge in volume and only time will tell the tale. If the people bought in at the levels we saw today, either it is a certainty to few that this is a stock that is a farce and all of the many, many, large position holding longs are suddenly going to panic sell so the buyers of the days level can make a killing when it goes to the .00008s.
JMO but….. NOT.
More likely the time is running low to influence people into selling so their shares can be accumulated at lower levels as the odds get better each day there is no news that news is that much closer, JMO.
Regardless, this is another company with actual products, distribution and agreements with more than credible companies with long histories and excellent, hard won, reputations they would not want to damage by hooking up with a company with no future. Also IMO, what we are seeing is folks with experience taking advantage of small start-up companies when the common delays occur as these delays do with many small start-ups.
This is why it is so important to pick a company with a real, useful, necessary, quality, currently in production/distribution and unique product is so important. Companies like this will eventually do well since there is already a demand for the product which in all likelihood will only grow. Again, IMO, we have chosen such a company.
JMO,
Nez
Some I-Hub boards that would likely list ATWT if it was pulling the stunts some here want us to believe:
Breaking Stock-Related News http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=1508,
Death Drop
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=3341,
Toxic Filings (TOXIC)
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=4318
Here’s a post that is probably posted to death by now:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=16889462
In reply to: None Date:3/28/2007 3:51:58 PM
Post #of 5303 There are others I have found that should have ATWT listed as well as other stocks with good products and excellent business relationships but they don’t. Are these folks with up to date posts that complacent?
JMO but I don’t think so.
SORRY ABOUT INACCURACIES BUT I AM PRESSED FOR TIME.
Interesting timing. Just a coincidence...right? 9:53 - 10:55, the bulk of volume and all those trades just happened to fall within an almost exact hour window (according to Alpha Trade or E-Gate)? How many shares since?
Definately just my opinion but thank goodness there can't be a concerted effort to move pps!
JMO,
Nez
I don't know about that. I have yet to see anything good come from the arrival of this "Shakerzz" entity.
JMO,
Nez
Joker,
You're right, I do need to use the ignore button and remember that in addition to looking back on all the B.S. being in ATWEC has taught me a lot and I have I.d. some really worth while people.
Been sort of distracted for a while and will be for a bit more but when I have the time I will post. However, I always check the board out as it is almost like a ritual now!! LOL
Thanks for getting me to "cage" or reset my Gyro back to center!
TTYL,
Nez
d,
I agree with you that your comments had nothing to do with anything. Obviously I stooped to lowering myself to a less than admirable level where I took your comments and used them to "tweak" amechi. I don't feel good about the post now that I have thought about it. Sorry about that but I've been here too long reading inconsistent, angry posts made by people with an ax to grind. Not making excuses as I was wrong.
I really just want to see ATWEC get at least a fair shot (what ever that is these days!) and I guess I need to let it go of my frustration with people posting based on perceived slights from the company. I am beginning to realize (shouldn’t have taken this long but it did, what can I say) that it is not to bright to let investing decisions be driven by emotions like anger or hate and worse yet to willingly lower myself due to my own reaction to others comments.
I will be right here with the rest of the "old timers" when the inevitable occurs. You are so right about this happening and IMO it will be sooner rather than later. Live a little learn a little.
Thanks for you patience with me,
Nez
dmondial,
I also am not a technician but if your observation about the Bollies is correct, then it looks like someone caught that comment and took care of that potential threat. Those who desperately don't want ATWT to reflect the slightest degree of positive activity, I am convinced, will do anything they can to squelch it.
BTW, anyone heard from amechi? I thought I remember him saying something about liquidating!?! I also ask because the trade responsible for the DT from .0014 to .0012, IMO, looks like it may have been a "market" order and we know how easy they go. If someone was Peed off enough to dump at a loss, simply to achieve retribution against Mr. W. for a perceived slight which caused them much anger with the Mr. W., they wouldn't care about going from .0014 to .0012. If amichi did convince his sister to dump (if his story is true) then we are probably much better off but just 398,000 was not much of a threat.
Who ever it was, probably tried to sell for .000001!
JMO,
Nez
OT
Is all I can say to that is.....OHGEEZ!!!!LOL
Nez
Amechi,
Sorry to hear that your sister is liquidating and adding to the level of her stress as when the company does move, it will be stressful if she didn't hold.
In your case, if you don't mind me asking (as your out anyway), when did you get back in?
You have been pretty clear that you sold long ago and were just watching this for your sister and her child.
The only other interest you have shown in the last few months has been when you said you were shorting ATWT. Since you have the ability to short ATWT, why not make more money by staying short. If things are as bad as you perceive them to be, then you should make much more money and recoup your sister and more of their child's losses.
With all due respect, which is it?
Sell and lose chance to recoup money for sister and child by going or staying short or have you lost track of what page of the story you are on or are really here to return a perceived wrong for another?
JMO and curious,
Nez
Yeah, CG, someone was watching but I think they were waiting all along as well.
JMO,
Nez
Nicely said BULL.
JMO,
Nez
Aside from stocks, I am having a bad week. I can't remember if someone asked for a link to the "Iceland Police" if so, FWIW, here are some sites about Iceland's police and (I guess thier version of the Feds and also a travel directory thrown in?!?!)
TTYAL,
Nez
http://www.logreglan.is/displayer.asp?cat_id=214
http://www.nat.is/travelguideeng/icelandic_police.htm
http://www.nat.is/company_info.htm
P.S. didn't even check them out as I have had the course.
Fresno,
The reason I stopped using it today, in this particular instance was that I got a whole fill of 5000 shares and I was worried the pps might never see these levels for some time.
When I looked at the four year chart set to weekly, I saw we are at 4 year low, with nothing but good things like, transparancy(no change as of my last call to T?A) in share count and many, many, potential and solid prospects from good looking customers, in the near future.
It actually ended up bringing down the pps for a losey 5000 shares at about .70 cents worth!
However, I do agree with you as this is the first time I ever saw a need for it. I guess some situations are different.
In the past, it may have taken a day or two but I would get partials until I got my total.
I just felt today that the chances of the pps going past today’s point may not happen as it seems to me that the MMs were doing something, IMO. Probably wrong but I definitely get your point and appreciate your input and advice. Also, thanks for the information on using it as I did think it use would logically limit the bids that fit your order size but now I am more certian.
Thank you,
Nez
Han,
Ditto. I have the number as does anyone who goes to the I Box, thanks to you. These people @ PDGT, speak to you and give you thier name, so what have you got to lose? It is better to call the no toll free number. There are so many non transparent stocks that won't even talk to us that when one does find an investor friendly company, take advantage of it and protect against misunderstandings and inaccuracies. When we use the word "dilution" we should understand as best we can all of the different forms it can take.
JMO,
Nez
I don't know if it is the AON and total numbers but I was able to get 3 orders @ .0012 but only if in groups of 100,000.
Does this mean something?
Nez
Oh yeah!!!
Nez
DF,
I agree. I am setting back, comfortable, knowing that the MMs really seem to be unaware they are eliminating the weak and strengthening the strong. You have a "good read" on your DragonFly site about MMs. What I remember most from one of the articles was the point the author made that "strong longs" are the main type of trader MMs just don't understand. As far as I'm concerned, let the winnowing continue! They must not believe we know what is here and are learning from folks like you and your associates, who have been here before and have a large amount of hindsight and solid track records which prove the wisdom of staying strong. I guess they don’t understand that many have started accumulating at levels of the 4year low. Guess they also don't understand some people have patience and are not totally greedy.
JMO,
Nez
Thanks DF for the insightful post. Regardless of what the MMs do, eventually a company like PDGT, with a good product will get a contract which will bring them much attention. Think about it, one high jacking thwarted, one suicide bomber stopped and the story makes the news, awareness will skyrocket. I doubt a company with such savvy investors is just sitting around waiting to have something happen. I would bet there are many things going on in the background which due to the legal environment we will not hear about until consummated. Any number of things especially in this day and age could happen that would propel PDGT into the lime light.
IMO, another strong thing the MMs that might be playing games may be taking advantage of is the fact that with the markets being down so often, many potential investors have taken money out and are waiting to see what is happening. These people have money and until the overall markets stabilize I know of at least two people who would be playing pinks and OTC stocks in addition to the “bigs” if they didn't have such a high level of disorientation.
For me, this one requires at least a reasonable amount of patience and I feel you couldn’t be more right.
JMO,
Nez
Man!!!!
Blew right through my .0016 which I do believe was older than that 5000 at 15:18!! Isn't there supposed to be some sort of rhyme and reason here?
Nez
watcher,
I am still trying to find out if the Iceland deal is covered with the 30day trial period and if so and there is a purchase, will we know about it if it goes through an independent supplier? A bit confused about this as Iceland was, if I'm not mistaken, about 15 days ago so far.
Nez
CG,
1st time I bought and didn't drop the pps. Too bad as backups are all in a row.
nez
I may not be a big boy, but I am at least "gum stuck to the big boys shoes" and I'm in for the course. Hopefully, I will be a big boy after things break!
Nez
Just called the T/A and guess what? No change is the share structure! MMs gotta be trying to fake out folks.
I've had an order in for too long at a price I do believe may now be history. Time for a change.
Nez
Han,
That's the deal.
Nez
1.3 mil sell @ .0015 @ 12:15, 500000 at .0015 @ 12:17.
I had an order in since before both, @ .0015, the number sought is no where near these 2 orders but my pre 10:40 bid sits. IMO, games, games, games, and HAN has a point worth pondering IMO, you have to question if the shares were real or a form of "spit swapping?" I may be way off on this but IMO, someone is desperate for cheapies or this could be one of many "tremors" which are undoubtedly is going to lead to the "big one." Since the little guy gets passed over so often, IMO, the pressure may really be building.
I am learning that PR releases, IMO, are an art form and also have many different possible restrictions on their release, due to the litigious age we live in, especially in pinky land. IMO the PR has to be right or it can take months to recover from or re earn the level of trust and credibility that existed before the erroneous release.
Now I notice the notorious "mirror trade" that adds up to the previous 500,000 trade??!!!?? I am totally confused now but will keep buying on the dips! I hope someone can give me some insight or correct me if I am reading too much into this. All just a newbies observations and JMO.
TIA,
Nez
Han,
There are patterns to most things which even relative newbies can see. The problem, or solution depending on how you look at it, IMO, is that some just don't want to see or (and I think this is more close to home) they do see, but it doesn't help their agenda so they stick to the party line. I was wondering when bashers would show up as they seem to have tried everything else to shake shares from weak hands. All in all I think the reason we have not seen more here is that the folks who do this type of thing know they are out gunned by you guys. Thanks.
JMO,
Nez
Sparta,
I think it is all about "control."
JMO,
Nez
157,850 vol. with 2 trades at .0017 - 20,000 and 137,850 as of 2:14 EST per ST. EOM
Nez