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Posts don't get deleted on this thread.
from the iBox:
It is understood that there will be disagreements on this thread. Watch what you say, cuz I believe that if you post something that makes you look like an idiot, that it should stand as evidence for everybody. The only exception that I will make is if there is personal information posted. In all cases, if I delete a message, I will identify exactly why it has been deleted and will suggest that the poster repost the message without the personal information.
But we can't fault you for trying.
So, you don't think that Lisa's point was valid? Why not?
Notice to thread: I deleted one of my own posts. This post had the link to a photo of my son and no other relevant content. Just thought better of posting a pic of the boy.
Actually, that is what everyone says...
>>Sounds alot like some of the folks that post here and at the bottle rockets thread.
care to provide an example?
Yup, that is the boy. I think he is pretty cute too<g>
2. Need a link to the first unread message in the list
>>You mean Favorites?
Yes, when in the favorites section where it says "unread posts", you should be able to click on that number and it takes you directly to the first unread message since the last time you looked at the thread.
5. Yes, ask Bob. I can show him exactly what I am talking about.
1. When I post a message, I should end up at that message.
2. Need a link to the first unread message in the list
3. Need a list of all new threads
4. Need a list of hot threads
5. There should not be the ability in either posted messages or profiles for other sites to be loaded without an active "click" from the member. No hidden scripts in profiles that enable this should exist. (this is pre-emptive as others have done this on SI and used the information to try and hack sites).
I kinda like that idea. The one important point is that if one of those commercial sites takes potshots at an individual in the residential area, it is open season on them (the commercial site).
And to help you see Lisa's point....if I started to make nasty comments about some cat named Fatt Matt, that would not give Fatt Matt the right to attack The Real Poet. The fact that I attacked you, is not relevant to the fact that you attacked The Real Poet (even though she clearly deserves it for other reasons).
"Plus, if you don't like someone, you aren't being forced to post there."
Hmmmm.....I may save this one for later.
>>It's his/her thread. Let them create/destroy it.
As Lisa has pointed out, the reality of a thread environment can be obfuscated by the strategic deletion of posts. So when a COB does not apply the stated rules for the thread equitably or violates them him/herself, the poster has no way of knowing what they are getting themselves into.
I always felt that SI should have had a mandatory listing of people who had been banned from a moderated thread so that one would know what they were getting into.
I agree that private, non-stock threads should have a right to freely associate with who they want and the "if you don't like it, don't post there" rule may apply. However, for stock threads and commercial ventures. I do not think that this same rule should apply.
I see the commercial ventures here similarly as to how celebrities and the press are viewed. Since the commercial ventures are here to solicit money from your membership, the membership has every right to be critical of their actions. And if the commercial venture steps out of line...they are held to a higher standard than a normal member. Same as with a COB. COBs are the cops, the cops have to be held to a stricter interpretation of the rules and if they violate them, the reprecussions have to be more severe.
I know who is here to destroy and who is here to help.
When I first started posting on the SEVU thread, did you think I was here to destroy or to help?
I believe in the X 3 concept. That is, if someone punches you in the arm (unprovoked), you have the right to either punch them back three times with the same force or once at three times the force.
I believe that you were prevented from doing even a one for one defense.
My views on this are pretty well known. However, I don't think that Matt's or Bob's intentions are in the wrong place and therefore I want to work with them to affect change.
In fact, I think that the only post that has been deleted from this thread was one of yours.
Matt,
I just went through the conversation and I will point out that I agree with Lisa on most points. And dammit Lisa, if you stop yelling, it will be much easier for people to see your point (smooch, you know that I love ya!).
I think that there are a number of things that I would take exception to concerning your underlying premises. One would be that, since Jenna's thread is discussing stocks, that the ends justify the means. So, is it your view that the ends justify the means? That having orderly stock discussions is more important than having fair and unbalanced views? This is what appears to be the underlying philosophy of the site.
And dismissing a person's views because they have not posted about stocks or been a COB or whatever is pure business folly. If you want to grow this site, you have to start attracting new posters who will provide content. I have not been overly active on iHub because it hasn't proven itself to me yet. Yes, you do have to keep your existing customer base happy, but you have to attact new people. You should not have a bias on how you interpret the rules based on whether someone is a prolific poster or a newbie. You should apply the rules equitably regardless.
Further, you may envision this as a site for discussions about stocks, but the fact is, if you don't plan for it being something much more than that, it will not succeed. This needs to be a community where one of the things that we all have in common is stocks, but like in any other community, there will be a whole lot of other activities outside of the main interest.
If Jenna or anybody else is going to require that their little community (thread) is only about stocks and that if a post that isn't about stocks written by somebody that the COB does not like is deleted, then by rights, she or the COB should not ever post anything that isn't about stocks. That is, if you want things to be equitable.
So, no it is time for a trick question:
If a representative from Merrill Lynch started a thread on iHub with the intent of soliciting business, would you:
1. Allow it?
2. Allow open criticism of the existance of the thread?
3. Allow open criticism of Merrill Lynch's analysts on the thread?
BTW: the freakin logout problem is still here.
You are correct, none of these posts will be deleted. The next paragraph states this.
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It is understood that there will be disagreements on this thread. Watch what you say, cuz I believe that if you post something that makes you look like an idiot, that it should stand as evidence for everybody. The only exception that I will make is if there is personal information posted. In all cases, if I delete a message, I will identify exactly why it has been deleted and will suggest that the poster repost the message without the personal information.
you forgot "miscreants"
>>This is what I am struggling with, Jorj. There is NO difference between the OLD SI and IH deletions. Except for the speed at which it happens. People with agendas don't have half a chance. If you post about a stock or add value to the conversation..Watch, you'll never get deleted. Go look at the boards in the 'stock clubs' section. AWesome groups. Very very little deleted posts. Our main place we get deletions is the stock boards. Most of those are b/c of personal attacks, spam, etc. We are working on a new policy for "libel" etc. That is very shady to all sites.
The inequity that I am seeing is now not on what is deleted, but what is allowed to stand. I can show you examples where a post by somebody who is seen as hostile to the stock is deleted for cause, while an equivalent post that should be deleted is allowed to stand. And since the inequity is on the side of a post not being deleted, there will be no complaint to the admin. It still has the affect of slanting the bias of the thread toward that of the COB.
I will definitely be giving my input on the UI.
On the COB issue. It is important to design your policies in such a way as to take into account human nature. The ability to silence someone who disagrees with you is a powerful temptation. I don't believe that there are too many people who can resist the temptation if the activity is unfettered. That is to say, that there are no real consequences to abuses of the COB powers. Most people who will take the initiative to be a COB have a lot invested in their reputations. These reputations are tied to their aliases. If the ramification of abusing the COB powers is that their account is terminated, and if they have to pay for membership to the site, there will be both financial and reputational ramifications to their actions.
Now, if you terminate a user for multiple accounts, it is a meaningless gesture since it is simple to create another alias.
One of the things that I didn't post is that I disagree with the policy of not allowing criticism of other members. If that member has the power to move a stock, then their character is very much a legitimate target for scrutiny. The parking lot is ok for amusement, but if you have someone of dubious ethics setting people up to be ripped off, the message should be heard in the forum where it is relevant.
JXM
Our halftime report has SI and iHub about even on the jorj-o-meter.
SI's blatant disregard for the needs, wants and desires of the members (at least the only member that counts) with no indication that it will get better is troubling. But it is the incumbant and it doesn't have a format that caters to control freaks and touts. And though they screwed up the UI massively, it is still better than iHub (IMVHO). And, it is familiar. SI though has the burden of pretty actively destroying the UI and community environment.
I consider the fact that it is a pay site to be a positive rather than a negative.
iHub appears to be open to user suggestion, but the COB concept has some serious flaws. Or maybe the flaws aren't in the concept, just in the people that are gravitating to the COB role. If iHub was a pay site, then the admin could do some aversion therapy to COBs who don't get it and it should cut down on the number of multiple aliases. iHub does have the advantage of having somebody there who understands the idea of a 2D community, but it may take some time to nurture that.
Right now, I have it as a tie, but....tie goes to the runner.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15718996
If nothing else, at least we can grub.
Just to add to the chorus of voices, I am still having the log out problem.
whatever that may be....<g>
I can't help it that they have a bug that bans people from an unmoderated thread.
sheesh, do one little impulsive thing and look what it has done to my reputation
that other poster understood that the piece by "satirewire" was a joke, just giving my opinion on the stock.
Vendit makes it clear that everyone is welcome to this thread as long as they play nice. Nothing "not nice" in my posts.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=82554
The activities they are engaging in, is not a healthful form of therapy.
This assumes that they are looking for this to be a therapeutic activity.
CSCO chart not looking so bad. Couple of nice buy signals. $21 looks to be a pretty good resistance area. $18 looks like a decent entry point.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=csco&N=A&T=on
Check out the V on VRSN....
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=vrsn&N=A&T=on
Rahman KOs Lewis in the 5th
Despite popular opinion. I believe that fiber optic plays are going to be huge in the long run. When fiber to the home (FTTH) starts to be deployed in a meaningful way, I believe that GLW will benefit. It also looks to have turned the corner and is moving up in nice measured steps.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=glw&N=A&T=on
I bought IDTI at 30ish, check out the fundies on it. Coming up to the BRL, I would expect some hesitation there...lots of room for growth based on valuation.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=idti&N=A&T=on
AOL one of my favorite long term positions. They have both the content and delivery for the next gen of the internet. Cable properties owned by Time Warner will give AOL last mile access with a steady revenue stream while they upgrade for true broadband to the home.
And they broke through the BRL too. Would love to see a pullback to 45 for entry.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=aol&N=A&T=on
Naz may have bottomed, finally got a buy signal, but still well below the bearish resistance line and perhaps a little extended...pullback to 2000 wouldn't be a bad thing. Until the BRL is penetrated, I won't be entirely bullish.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=compx&N=A&T=on
Check out the pretty colors
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=82541
I feel a rant coming....
Hey Auggie,
The Dow is not impervious.
I was expecting more of a pullback on the dow, but it certainly seems to have done a spectacular diving catch of a recovery. They NYSEBP turned positive and the dow has broken through the bearish resistance line, though it is looking a bit extended now. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave up a few points while things consolidated.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=djia&N=A&T=on
JXM
OT
BTW: In case you didn't catch this, Lisa (aka Viperchick) caught on to what I was doing with the moderated thread (which I made into an unmoderated 24 hours after banning everyone).
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=78989
So, how come the much fairer and liberal iHUB model has everyone up in arms, even posters on SI that hypocritically use a moderated thread to bash iHUB?....
I didn't see anything in your post about SEVU. I did however see a personal attack.
If you are going to allow yourself to make off-topic posts, you have to allow everyone to make off-topic posts on the thread that you are the COB on.
I have about 69 of them myself.
This is the one that I enjoy posting from the most.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/profile.asp?user=5343
NW,
I am ready to duke it out.
Since it is my thread, I get to select the dueling style....
Sumo Wrestling.
Keith,
I consider Bob a friend. I also believe that he is friends with Vendit.
I trust Bob to do his job fairly and objectively even though he may have internal conflict.
I believe that this is why he is the right man for the job.
JXM
i'll do what i want with the boards i control. eom
If you love something, set it free.....
Joepenny,
i want to learn more so I can buy.
I buy stocks so that I can sell them someday. Do you just collect them or do you plan on selling them as well and making some money?
and my reason for posting is not to drive it up, but to learn more about the company I AM buying. i don't care if anyone else buys.
hmmmm, yes, I can see that.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=72700
"I also think IFTP will start to move upwards this summer. I believe it may touch .30 this summer and .5 by the end of the year. IMO"
So, where was the part where you were just trying to learn about the company???
I think that they need to individually negotiate for each thread<g>
(I can see Matt cringing right now...LOL)