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Don’t believe what you read on this forum by those who have been wrong with their investing advice and views in the past and you should be fine. Dont dig yourself deeper. A lot of people scammed by the advice they received here already.
We have been here so that these things wouldn't happen... You can still sell and hard to find reason why not. Why wait $0,20? You can sue, but i think you need some wealthier guy to drive that case forward and join him. It was just few weeks ago people here were mocking this guy.. ..was it Freddy or something like that? He wasn't pleased with the company. He has some influence? Maybe that's your guy.
Sorry i was wrong.
I said this will be under $0,30 in April. 8 days late. So unpredictable stock! =D
This is not a religion. You have not "lost Nef", he just came into his senses. We have lost you. You will financially hang yourself on these false promises, it's been proven a thousand times already that these things will not happen. This stock is not the ticket to heaven, it was obvious long ago already. They exaggerated their assets and business, so you thought you got real diamond with the price of an ordinary rock. Basic scam.
They still do the same and you still believe... .sigh...
They have no money, dilute like crazy and have broken their promises always before. It's less and less believable by the day.
You should have gotten street smart but i guess this is a religion for you. Enjoy the moments believing, when the time comes to deliver, they do what they always do.
That's the most immediate worry.
But all the things some of us said from the start were and still are very valid:
-quiet locations, no farming going on
-fake looking locations, "borrowed" locations
-no harvests, no trucks
-no customers seen
-over complicated company structure, money vanished from shareholders
-emphasis on finding investors or loans
-broke, no money, need loan
-no ability to sell assets, fake assets
-book/reality not at all believable = they lie
-dishonest management
-no care for shareholders or PPS
You put all this and combine it with the heavy dilution lately and you should figure out that it really is just a scam.
WYSIWYG
The reports and plans are just stories.
I don't think they own these aquafarms, maybe 1? and surely there is no business going on that Siaf/Trw shareholders are entitled to.
They wouldn't hurt you like this if they were doing honest business.
It's same paper pushing making people think they have something. I think we have proof enough that there is no aquaculture going on and trw is just a bait like the mega-things have always been. $20 stock doesn't sell at $0,30. Therefore these assets do not exist.
You gotta focus on what Tony does. He is their aquaculture guy. He isn't doing anything.
That's the business they have.
None of the assets they can sell. That's the assets they have.
I think this is a bit detached from reality. They have a fraudster running show, dilution, debt and aquaculture business halted.
First thing they should do is stop diluting.
Secondly they should start farming shrimps, finally get that first harvest.
Even the most basic things are lacking and are just horror.
They can't hire professional management team, there's no money. And who would go there even if they could?
What should professional and honest management team do?
-write off 99% of the assets
-make a plan to start aquaculture
-get Solly fired
-get loan.. ..how could they..?
Because apparently there are no assets that they can sell to finance honest aquaculture business, i think it's dead-end with this company in any case.
Even if they succeeded to get some money, you would have a small aquaculture start-up company with lots of debt and poor outlook for the future.
Well, it's never about just one person, what happened here was really strange mass hypnosis for this company. I had in my view very good reasons to suspect this is a scam. Zero had them as well. Joe had them. All the time we got it right. All real-life things actually happening supported it. When time went on it was just more and more sure.
Yet, people claimed none of us had any "facts". Facts were on siaf papers. That's very odd logic. We said siaf papers were wrong, look what's happening! But we didn't have any facts because what we said was different what siaf papers said.
That's not DD, that's blind faith.
Anyway some people are still promising dividends, don't want legal actions, still believe in the "magical turn" for this company and try to talk people out not to sell and have trust for them... I'm the expert you know..
One can be critical at times to be believable, but be critical what you are being sold.
It is a scam, it's always bad time to buy. Now everybody knows what it is because they don't even bother to hide it.
Some stock fluctuate but Siaf goes only down.
You have first hand knowledge from here that the dilution will go on heavy for a long time. It is guaranteed to go down more. For once use the information to your own benefit and sell.
I understand that someone "falls in love with a stock" maybe it's apple or bmw or something they admire or way the company is run.
With Siaf there's absolutely nothing, horrible management, cooked books, even piles of shit are a lie and can't be sold. Low level Chinese agricultural scam.
This is the first one that anybody should sell.
A week ago, month ago, 6 months ago 1 year ago, always it would have been very good to sell.
Nothing's different now.
Now it's sure to go down, juts that the downhill is more certain than ever.
I don't understand the fixation to hold this worst stock of 2017 that is guaranteed to be the worst in 2018 as well.
No he is not.
But someone has promoted this, provided "facts", is against lawsuit, recently talked about dividends a lot, has 20 000+ messages here...
Probably him not paid either, just got crazy talking own shares up. But he had the same charm as Solly, large number of people was mislead here. Then everybody was cheering each other and the company, attacking the ones being right. It went too far, simple logic lost, red flags pushed aside, real life actions not taken into consideration, hopes and dreams became "facts"..
2,70 NOK now, highly over prized. It's just a diluting scam, owning is investing suicide. Has always been and always will be.
..And they were not bad decisions or accidents. It's what they do.
They always just tried to lure investors to beef up the market value and the real goal was to get big cash worth millions as loans to themselves.
The lenders were not stupid, they knew there is no value in the company. So they took lots of shares as payment and shareholders are still paying, the dilution will continue for years.
Solly won the lottery got millions, lender won the lottery got millions. Shareholders lost double negative lottery with lots of interest on top.
But that's how it was meant to be. Everybody except the shareholders knew what they were doing.
Of course that is the best option. That's the standard procedure. Because of the dilution it's guaranteed to be a good solution. Impossible to lose by selling. It sucks to sell when down, but it sucks a lot more to sell at even lower.
I'm not doing that, you are the one who should do it, you have stock. Good luck.
No, he doesn't exist. That's a scam name to fool people. It's well thought name for the nordic blue eyed investors. Refers to a king who was the Christian symbol for fairness and justice.
Using that name and acting softly and nicely....
He still has you defending him with all your losses.
Amazing really.
Forgot that Chinese con-mans real name though.
I think the case should be against Solly. For example for all the loans with no pay-back date moved to Trw. That Trw isn't even a company. Get people investigating his bank accounts, the money could be retraced?
What's the net worth of Siaf shareholders being one notch happier? I estimate it at 0 dollars. He never cared about shareholders before just used them. So why on earth would he give away several million dollars that he can keep instead? Would have been stupid.
That's amazing system, you can say you loan and you don't have to pay back.
I'd go to the bank right away if they offered that to me.
If some dumb enough person who voluntarily funds this gets less happier why should i care? They volunteer. They know what's going on. Or at least they should.
Nice speech, but that's BS we have heard before.
Facts: heavy dilution, shady toxic loans, PPS plummeting, money disappearing nothing for farming, they are broke, books crooked, all promises broken, shareholders 100% neglected etc. etc.
If somebody DOES that to you and then ACTS nice, it doesn't make him nice a nice person.
The question is he just a very bad person or a criminal.
Nice is the farthest thing from the truth.
Truth is out, too late to convince otherwise.
Trw is Siaf scam part2. No IPO, they won't get listed it's an absurd idea that the remainings of this scam company could get it done with their 75 year old CEO who gives out toxic loans every week. Nobody loans them, nobody trusts them and there is no money and there is no business. It's $0,36 now. The market knows, everybody knows they are capable of nothing. Game over.
You forgot Solly from the equation. He doesn't do this just to hurt Siaf and its owners and to benefit the lenders.
There must be something very lucrative in it for himself.
It's $0,34 now, market doesn't believe that these businesses exist. Assets are a joke. I don't see that Siaf owners have gotten any frozen seafood wins. There's no business to back-up PPS. Really happening: dilution and corporate structure changes. Not convincing at all, only aquaculture guy not busy. But dilution is getting insane. It's like they don't even bother to make excuses anymore. Just dilute them shareholders, they don't care.
And that's why sometimes we have been screaming for scam, because we ONLY looked at the company's ACTIONS since the beginning.
This forum has fed a lot of BS to people, so has the company.
It's been always very clear that this stock is going down for those who looked only the actions it's doing not believing promises or figures on paper. It's been all negative what they have done and all the positive they have left undone.
I get personal attacks all the time. But i don't care because i got truth on my side and my finances are good.
When it comes to Siaf/Trw promoting:
RD is the main promoter of Siaf that is obvious, he would never say to sell or take legal action, he still feeds the dividend-lie and tries to make pseudo-science sense of the dilution. And he is breaking your mind every time you try think independently. He always wants to leave you with the idea "don't sell".
Not a personal attack. Just telling how things are.
Some folks are for, some are against.
But investing-wise who is right and who is wrong is not for debate.
It is amazing that some still try feed the dividend-lie, find acceptable reasoning for dilution and deny the current PPS.
GAME OVER.
It was a scam.
I can't believe you try to justify this.
The only conclusion to make is: SELL THE STOCK! Horrible dilution.
It's always been like this. When things get really bad for the shareholders this "pseudo-science" starts. Its purpose is to distract normal logical thinking. The reality is that this is horrible dilution, well established that it will continue all the time like this. Most likely getting worse.
The stock is plummeting because of dilution.
Because of what the company does. Not because of what somebody wrote on the internet.
Dilution is a fact. And it's getting worse. That drives the PPS lower.
Zero has been right. Taking his advice to sell would have been beneficial. That's a fact too.
What are your facts? PPS is wrong and zero is also wrong because he has been right with wrong facts?
So the loans he got from private person(?) by printing them stock... (=shareholders pay)
They pay for the building.
The built stuff is not owned by the builder.
So the one who receives this service of getting something built...
Of course doesn't get it free.
So on the books they get loans and build for themselves, but actually build for somebody else.
That someone else must pay, but it's not to the bank account of Siaf?
I've been trying to tell folks here that these guys have tens of thousands of messages here, they have been consistently wrong and still promote being 95% down or so. It doesn't make any sense. But of course since they also moderate the forums so they delete these kind of messages very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if one guy that is somehow connected has 10 or more nicks here.
I have been telling as well that THIS FORUM is the main marketing channel for Siaf stocks. When I mention this, the message disappears quickly.
Looks like they will switch the scam from Siaf to TRW, harmoniously with Solly's actions moving possessions from Siaf to TRW.
OMG he has really founded a similar scamming platform for it like there has been for Siaf.
Ground set for a new scam.
Is this orchestrated by Solly?
There was question to Tony from a forum member a few weeks ago.
His answer was that "he is just trying out some things and waiting for loan". Maybe somebody can find that message for you.
Of course with these specs they can't get any loan. And the dilution paid loans have gone "somewhere" but not into the business. Basically, he doesn't get any money from Solly. All the funky loans, dilution, all the money just disappears. And he is the heart of this business if there was any! But there isn't.
Hahaha, 36,6% of nothing. There is no money it's low level agricultural Chinese scam. They take in loans for themselves and pay with Siaf stock. Siaf is the only thing they can use and has some value.
"Trw" and other complications of corporate structure are there just so they can hide what money they can get from the shareholders.
Wake up!
Why you think there's no money, Tony does nothing, no regular loans, no progress, no customers, no trust, etc.? And HUGE DILUTION instead. Wake up!
Bankruptcy coming soon.
They are not hiding the fraudulent actions at all anymore. Solly is 75 already. Nobody will loan them anymore and if someone would that would lead to dilutions worth more than company market value already at 5 million loans because there needs to be "margin" in between as well.
The dilution is so obvious already they are not even bothering to hide how they are scamming.
Is it the grande finale now?
You are right about the first claim.
But how you see Jyyo's messages valuable? He has been promoting $100 party, believes what the company says and believing his(company's own) views on Siaf would have given heavy losses.
It is more valuable and honest to tell about losses and warn about it than be on denial and try to talk own stock up.
You should sell and sue. Don't let the china man get the last laugh.