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Hi Dave, Seems the BDLV board is having moderator problems, The mods are deleting Good post and to make it even worse they post this crud.... This is a Mod to a poster, is this a Personal Attack? Just curious.....
Posted by: balamidas Date: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:41:20 AM
In reply to: boatman who wrote msg# 14848 Post # of 14850
boatman ,i hope you will sail as soon as possible away from BLDV ,otherwise the storm of upcoming events and News are going to sink your boat in no time.And you will be swimming back to shore with couple of sharks chasing you at high speed and you will screaaaaaammmmmmmm helllppppp and no BLDVers will come to rescue you cause they will be busy counting their money :) looooooolll
Speaking of Jatropha, would you please show us where this is shared with the shareholders in a PR from the company as a feedstock? It is my opinion that BDLV is nothing more then a SCAM being played by those who think they can control the PPS and have new people buy in at a higher price then what they did and sell. Leaving the NEW shareholder stuck with a high cost SCAM The cult following this seems to have drawn to it seems as well as questionable.AIMNSHO
Having trouble with IE now on "HOT" the page is like double spaced. Just thought I would pass it along.
I am saying it is very ODD to have a Government Official to be so "FREE" with what I would think as projected business. It would be easy for another company with interest to disrupt the plans of BDLV being it has very little if any capital to defend its position there. Also odd that this guy would freely give emails from others to others who he has no idea of whom they are, Or does he? Yes I will imply this is a SCAM AIMNSHO!
Mike, what I do find as odd, is that this guy from Belize is so free with information to people who he has no idea who or what they are, It seems that there is more to these "Officials" then what meets the eye. Also why would anyone pass around someone’s private email to a Government Official? Seems odd to me, Has SCAM written all over it! AIMNSHO
It is my opinion that The Great JJ (Jessie Jackson) is strictly a for hire person. No money involved, he would not be there. So with the past with the Gen doing an infomercial and now this, Yes it is a paid promo.
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Sure, How much did Moaning Pay to be a part of that?
Why would it be TOS? The CEO's and pumpers post about the MN1 interviews even send out PR's. This is curious why would it be? TIA
Wait on the link you gave its cool, but when I hit mine its still large! Sorry for the misinfo
Mine are back to normal! Thanks Dave!
Wish I had read this prior to my getting involved in PS. Oh well, maybe someone will read it and learn. Thanks TikiGal!
Posted by: TikiGal Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:27:40 PM
In reply to: pizzabuster1 who wrote msg# 114147 Post # of 114162
If everyone took the time out and read the rules of trading pinksheet/OTCBB stocks before they started trading we wouldn't have these ongoing arguements on these boards..
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This should be required reading prior to anyone posting about penny stocks! Thanks TikiGal! wish I would have seen that about 18 months ago! sigh, Jean
Folks I had to repost this! From Admin Dave on the Q&A Board. He says it like it is! This is so very true! This is in response to stervc post.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=30833312
Posted by: IH Geek [Dave] Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:51:20 PM
In reply to: stervc who wrote msg# 114113 Post # of 114137
I'll take that on a point at a time.
IHub was created to have a place for investors to come and discuss the good and bad about a stock
True.
The primary intent is to discuss stocks that primarily present an opportunity for being a sound investment.
There are many forms of investment, including long, short, and neither (cash). We are ambivalent toward all sentiments.
This is all part of speculation and applies to all stocks within the IHub community where certain facts have not been released as of yet. This is “one” basic reason why you decide to buy a stock or not.
And why one chooses to sell or short a stock or not.
When something that is considered to be bad about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is negative, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Let's change two words and see if you still agree.
When something that is considered to be good about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is positive, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Those two statements are identical in principle. Do you still agree?
I am confident that IHub was not created to have a stressful environment for people to frequently visit.
That is up to each individual reader to manage, but we do provide some tools to assist such as Ignores.
It also doesn’t help when one goes back to research all of a person’s history of posts and all of them are negative in nature.
As opposed to someone whose posts are only positive in nature? Again, the opposite side of the same coin, and functionally equivalent insofar as our rules of conduct are concerned.
Understand too that people come to IHub with primary intentions to make money. When people have money involved with a particular stock, they seem to take it personal when spoken negative about it especially when the negative is unconfirmed and brings unnecessary stress.
The same could be said of an investor who is short a stock "..when spoken positive about it especially when the positive is unconfirmed." I guarantee you that if it was possible to go back and score all of the ultimately wrong speculation that has occurred as either positive or negative, the errant positive speculation would outnumber the negative variety by at least the same factor that Bulls outnumber Bears.
Positive speculation and negative speculation are two different animals and should be treated differently.
False. Opposite sides of the same coin.
If such was the case, then I am sure that IHub would potentially or eventually shut down or lose many members.
Based on what? All of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
I am sure that the IHub Admins know this and do not want unnecessary or unconfirmed stressful environments created or supported only by ones emotions with unconfirmed negative beliefs. Negative thoughts should always be heard, but not to where it’s redundant and unconfirmed causing stress.
Setting aside the extraneous comments about "stress", how is that possible when we are ambivalent toward investment sentiment? We welcome and encourage all points of view irrespective of investment sentiment as long as they are expressed in accordance with our TOU.
When a stock presents a very solid risk in my opinion, take some simple steps. Do your due diligence (DD) and make the decision to take the risk or not from your own DD. Place the blame or success on yourself for the outcome and not anyone else. To hang around for the reasons I have been ”primarily” referring to within this post are for the wrong reasons. Remember, stress kills. I recommend one moving forward if a particular stock is not for them. To hang around to simply antagonize people should not be allowed after you have clearly made your point. Just because a stock does not release info as often or when one likes does not confirm that the situation has gone bad either as I have seen used as reasons for assuming the worse.
You are totally focused on the wrong issue. Rather than trying to manage others' expressions of their opinion, as a consumer of information you should focus on your ability to filter posts from your awareness if they do not meet your criteria. Just like all things in life.
After one makes their negative point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, asking “similar” questions over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an answer would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have questions unanswered at such times.
Another good case for some word substitution:
After one makes their positive point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, making similar claims over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an affirmation would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have claims about them unanswered at such times.
Once again, no difference between the positive and the negative. Your arguments is based on the incorrect assessment that Negative = Bad and Positive = Good. Positive and Negative are complimentary functions. Just because they are contrary to one another does not make them mutually exclusive.
Bottom line, anything that is considered to be antagonistic in nature especially with negative connotations behind them to disrupt the environment and bring unconfirmed stress, should be removed.
False. The TOU has no such provision and any moderator of a stock-specific board who egregiously removes posts on that basis should be removed.
This is the unnecessary stress that should not be allowed.
Extraneous and irrelevant.
I trust that the IHub Admins will support my decision on how I am viewing matters or correct me where I am seeing things wrong.
I don't, and I hope I have. I'm sure your intent is noble, especially with regard to everyone getting along.
Bottom line: One must embrace their opponents' right to express their views at least as much as they value their right to express their own views.
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
LOL LOL LOL kinda reminds me of some of those "PR's" that are posted on certian boards, YGMD?
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
Ok I can understand that, so what do you have that "Proves" your earlier statement? Or did I read that incorrectly? TIA
Hi, quick question, Can you please provide me a link to the "Proof" of NSS of this stock? I have always wondered if this stock was NSS. At the PPS and volume I bet those NSS'ers are making a killin! TIA
Can anyone put up a link where this company has purchased even 1 acre of land? I seen the "Proposed" messages but nothing that "Proves" they have anything? I might have missed it. Please provide a link that shows Land Ownership. TIA
YES! Thank you and there is a GOD! And his name is Dave! LOL LOL LOL j/k. Thank you seriously for this clarification! I really thought I was going nuts! Dave you da man! Jean
PS: Please take note that the deletions have happened under that and the poster has stated this same thing on the board, FYI
Seems The Beebers has some “Splain nin to do! (Ricky Recardo “I Love Lucy”) would say!
Seems the legal team of The Beebers has taking a sideline and the Clemson team and the City of Opp Team say “Woo cey youse betters havs sum ans sewers” insert The Beebers for Woo Cey! Looks like the Beebers team has seen the game was over 10 innings ago. The Beebers better get packed and ready for the “Fat Lady” is warming up! My Visonary experience tells me that The Beebers will be seeing many days in the Alabama Court systems as well as some Florida, and did I mention Texas? Some visionary this idiot was, Anyone could call the price of oil and gold if they watched the trends. This guy has as much “Visonary” abilities as a Dog in heat! Guess The Beebers will need to learn to “Sing Sing” LOL LOL LOL, Oh let us not forget the guys in the background, Michael Varley and his Guru Lynn Bartholomew. LaRive, he was just someone who allowed the Beebers to “Think” he was smart. LaRive was very smart. We have our own three stooges, Have a super Sunday! AIMNSHO
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
I have invented a NEW listing, Are there "CULT" type stocks? A leader and the followers? One that brings this to mind is of course BDLV. Seems the cheer leading squad travels behind their "Leader" This look scary! I think I will add CULT STOCKS to this board as well. Wow!
Sorry had to post this seems BLDV has its own cult LOL LOL LOL. IMO it seems that the high five club is almost sick but I must admit so far the leader is doing it legally? Morally incorrect IMO but hey the Internet has allowed people who once had no life’s to have a life LOL LOL LOL. 3 Cheers to the BLDV Cheerleading squad! LOL LOL LOL!
Sterling, Just a short note as yours was way to long for me to read, My bottom line is simple, Produce current information to a board, and most likely the content could be discussed with "Both" sides having a say. The frustrating thing that I see on some boards that do this, is the "Claim" the company is doing this or has done that. No proof just 2 year old PR's from the company stating that this was their plan. Trying to get current information by posting the same question over is no less the same as the other side reposting the old Post or PR's. Ok Thats a wrap. Good Luck on your school! Jean
PS: It is my opinion that Boards that are doing this are controlled by a few who are of the belief that their postings really make a difference on the price per share. To me, its all about EGO and who said what and it happened or did not happen. I doubt that you or I have ANY control posting here on IHUB would effect any stock price. If anything it gives real money investors comedy relief during their lunch breaks. AIMNSHO
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
Hey Cuz, It has been a learning curve for me as well, one with lots of bumps and grinds. I do not hold Admin's feet to the coals as hard though. They are swamped with the very hard task of running a "Public" chat board with tens of thousands of post daily. I can agree that the Mods are not always looking out for the spirit of the board but more of an "Interest" for what some think as control of the stock. Admin cannot follow the "Conversation" that lead up to the deleted post, they take the post at its own weight and merit. That is what I am finding to be very hard to learn, How to make the point and stay within the TOU in a debated conversation and make that single post say it all. But overall I feel that the messages due get out and Admin needs Mods to help them. Trust is an issue that I feel maybe given out of necessity and not out from experience.
Here Here! Excellent Post! (EOM)
I am of the opinion that BDLV is what I would call a dead floating stock, all it has around it and on it now are scavengers attempting to affect the stock price and sales to better their own position. It seems if you research some of these defenders of this stock you will see not only the same postings from board to board but one is a self proclaimed “Teacher” of how to run the penny stocks to make a profit. After my research I have found that his “Teachings” are somewhat on the Hedgy Side of things. This stock is dead. The bottom feeders are there to flip it daily. The CEO is working at Mickey D’s flipping hamburgers, and the rest of the Companies board is either in a nursing home or missing. BDLV is a “Flip” stock at best. No recent Company information available. All that is coming out is “Post of Posters and Past PR’s from 2 years ago. Investors beware. Flip it and play it, Longs you will lose! AIMNSHO
My current scam list
PRGL
BDLV
LTDI
GSII (Now Revoked!)
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
Hi Mike, and thank you for posting your opinion here as well. As for the Proof of anything happening, I fail to see anything that would prove that. I see a post from a person who has said that he/she talked with someone, but this proves nothing. Where is the "Proof" from the company? The Company needs to prove these things not investors that wish they would. AIMNSHO
I fail to see where his post indicates anything about Racism. I feel that the issue has come up only in your post here. I must warn anyone that post on this board, Racism implied or by any other means will not be tolerated. If there is a problem with someone understanding the post I would recommend first addressing the poster via PM, or contact me or the Admin to look over the post in question. Racism will not be allowed period! FOAW
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If someone paid your account with a "Gift Sub" via paypal is it auto renew? TIA
Can anyone here point me to the PR or other company related document that says they are going to use jatropa as a feedstock? Not what a poster said,but the company. TIA
You guys are FAST! Thank you!
Out of control poster! on PRGL board! http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/profile.asp?user=122697
UPDATE 07/18/08 Ok just a quick update, been on the phone with Eddie and he stated the following. “I have only heard rumors of such. No officials or media releases have been announced on this. I feel that the public needs to take a breather as we have and allow the local officials as well as State and Federal authorities do what they do best! So I will only confirm this to be a rumor! We at WKNI TV 25 deal only in FACTS. To date there are NO FACTS to report!”
So that’s what the “LOCAL” media has to say. I trust his input. He said he would call me if he hears anything new on this. He is currently working on another job in the area.
How long before we see BLDV here?
I will say that I Honestly HOPE you are correct, I would like to see the resurrection happen, But I have some very bad feelings on this. Seems the same people are pumping that the company will be back, the same ones that said they would put out PR's and begin trading again with audited documents filed with the SEC, So please understand why I am only "Hopeful" and do not expect it. AIMNSHO
It appears this one is not too far behind, Add the names Michael Varley, Lynn Bartholomew,Lamar Lindsey and Robert Boothe since they have supported these scam artist from the get go! Well maybe not artist but scammers anyhow. Wonder how Lamar Lindsey and Robert Boothe are going to stand in front of their community now that everyone knows the Beebers and company were nothing but BS artist! Heard Robert Boothe and Lamar Lindsey just might have to look some of these people in the eye soon, I mean how can someone with all that background in their community just sell the community down the septic tank is beyond me! Good Gawd, I bet the tar and feathers are fixin to breakout! Wonder how Mr. Boothe would look in a feathered hair style? LOL LOL LOL ! Lets see, Will The Beebers wear orange or white? LOL LOL LOL Alabama DOC is headed his way! AIMNSHO
Some know her as UNDERCOVER007!
NEWS OUT! I heard it thru the Grapevine! Perihelion Global Inc and John H Beebe have gotten Dos Boot! Seems Opportunity has been revoked! Guess we have a serious problem now?
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
Andalusia AL, you seem to be very educated, With what you have seen and know as a "Local" even at full production of this plant in the next year, Do you see 100+ employees being paid "Top" dollar as stated in the press conference? You stated even a 5th grader could do this? Please do you see the PR's and Press Conf as being "Truthful" would it hold up in a court of law? You seem so very informed please expand on this!
What do you think of this Gold Mine? No assays and no documented proof that the road to nowhere exists? The Gold mine is a Billion Dollar assets?
Let me just come right out and ask you AndalusiaAL, Do you think John H Beebe has been honest with the community? The shareholders? And while I am asking do you think he has violated any laws? State or Federal? TIA
Oh and in answer to your question, It is my opinion that if the Beebers is in anyway connected with that Motel, whomever is in it with him is as honest as he is! I heard that an Andalusia Lawyer owned that, but what do I know, I am only a fly on a wall!