Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:02:20 PM
Folks I had to repost this! From Admin Dave on the Q&A Board. He says it like it is! This is so very true! This is in response to stervc post.
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Posted by: IH Geek [Dave] Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:51:20 PM
In reply to: stervc who wrote msg# 114113 Post # of 114137
I'll take that on a point at a time.
IHub was created to have a place for investors to come and discuss the good and bad about a stock
True.
The primary intent is to discuss stocks that primarily present an opportunity for being a sound investment.
There are many forms of investment, including long, short, and neither (cash). We are ambivalent toward all sentiments.
This is all part of speculation and applies to all stocks within the IHub community where certain facts have not been released as of yet. This is “one” basic reason why you decide to buy a stock or not.
And why one chooses to sell or short a stock or not.
When something that is considered to be bad about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is negative, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Let's change two words and see if you still agree.
When something that is considered to be good about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is positive, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Those two statements are identical in principle. Do you still agree?
I am confident that IHub was not created to have a stressful environment for people to frequently visit.
That is up to each individual reader to manage, but we do provide some tools to assist such as Ignores.
It also doesn’t help when one goes back to research all of a person’s history of posts and all of them are negative in nature.
As opposed to someone whose posts are only positive in nature? Again, the opposite side of the same coin, and functionally equivalent insofar as our rules of conduct are concerned.
Understand too that people come to IHub with primary intentions to make money. When people have money involved with a particular stock, they seem to take it personal when spoken negative about it especially when the negative is unconfirmed and brings unnecessary stress.
The same could be said of an investor who is short a stock "..when spoken positive about it especially when the positive is unconfirmed." I guarantee you that if it was possible to go back and score all of the ultimately wrong speculation that has occurred as either positive or negative, the errant positive speculation would outnumber the negative variety by at least the same factor that Bulls outnumber Bears.
Positive speculation and negative speculation are two different animals and should be treated differently.
False. Opposite sides of the same coin.
If such was the case, then I am sure that IHub would potentially or eventually shut down or lose many members.
Based on what? All of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
I am sure that the IHub Admins know this and do not want unnecessary or unconfirmed stressful environments created or supported only by ones emotions with unconfirmed negative beliefs. Negative thoughts should always be heard, but not to where it’s redundant and unconfirmed causing stress.
Setting aside the extraneous comments about "stress", how is that possible when we are ambivalent toward investment sentiment? We welcome and encourage all points of view irrespective of investment sentiment as long as they are expressed in accordance with our TOU.
When a stock presents a very solid risk in my opinion, take some simple steps. Do your due diligence (DD) and make the decision to take the risk or not from your own DD. Place the blame or success on yourself for the outcome and not anyone else. To hang around for the reasons I have been ”primarily” referring to within this post are for the wrong reasons. Remember, stress kills. I recommend one moving forward if a particular stock is not for them. To hang around to simply antagonize people should not be allowed after you have clearly made your point. Just because a stock does not release info as often or when one likes does not confirm that the situation has gone bad either as I have seen used as reasons for assuming the worse.
You are totally focused on the wrong issue. Rather than trying to manage others' expressions of their opinion, as a consumer of information you should focus on your ability to filter posts from your awareness if they do not meet your criteria. Just like all things in life.
After one makes their negative point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, asking “similar” questions over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an answer would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have questions unanswered at such times.
Another good case for some word substitution:
After one makes their positive point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, making similar claims over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an affirmation would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have claims about them unanswered at such times.
Once again, no difference between the positive and the negative. Your arguments is based on the incorrect assessment that Negative = Bad and Positive = Good. Positive and Negative are complimentary functions. Just because they are contrary to one another does not make them mutually exclusive.
Bottom line, anything that is considered to be antagonistic in nature especially with negative connotations behind them to disrupt the environment and bring unconfirmed stress, should be removed.
False. The TOU has no such provision and any moderator of a stock-specific board who egregiously removes posts on that basis should be removed.
This is the unnecessary stress that should not be allowed.
Extraneous and irrelevant.
I trust that the IHub Admins will support my decision on how I am viewing matters or correct me where I am seeing things wrong.
I don't, and I hope I have. I'm sure your intent is noble, especially with regard to everyone getting along.
Bottom line: One must embrace their opponents' right to express their views at least as much as they value their right to express their own views.
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
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Posted by: IH Geek [Dave] Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:51:20 PM
In reply to: stervc who wrote msg# 114113 Post # of 114137
I'll take that on a point at a time.
IHub was created to have a place for investors to come and discuss the good and bad about a stock
True.
The primary intent is to discuss stocks that primarily present an opportunity for being a sound investment.
There are many forms of investment, including long, short, and neither (cash). We are ambivalent toward all sentiments.
This is all part of speculation and applies to all stocks within the IHub community where certain facts have not been released as of yet. This is “one” basic reason why you decide to buy a stock or not.
And why one chooses to sell or short a stock or not.
When something that is considered to be bad about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is negative, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Let's change two words and see if you still agree.
When something that is considered to be good about a stock is delivered to the forum, it is expected for the delivery to be constructive in nature and not delivered in a form that will antagonize others and play on the emotions of others. If your thought is positive, but not back with facts, it should be heard, but should not be presented over and over again to where the repetition is creating a stressful environment. This is where it now becomes disrespectful and personally I would question a person’s heart condition and their intentions when doing such in a very apparent manner.
Those two statements are identical in principle. Do you still agree?
I am confident that IHub was not created to have a stressful environment for people to frequently visit.
That is up to each individual reader to manage, but we do provide some tools to assist such as Ignores.
It also doesn’t help when one goes back to research all of a person’s history of posts and all of them are negative in nature.
As opposed to someone whose posts are only positive in nature? Again, the opposite side of the same coin, and functionally equivalent insofar as our rules of conduct are concerned.
Understand too that people come to IHub with primary intentions to make money. When people have money involved with a particular stock, they seem to take it personal when spoken negative about it especially when the negative is unconfirmed and brings unnecessary stress.
The same could be said of an investor who is short a stock "..when spoken positive about it especially when the positive is unconfirmed." I guarantee you that if it was possible to go back and score all of the ultimately wrong speculation that has occurred as either positive or negative, the errant positive speculation would outnumber the negative variety by at least the same factor that Bulls outnumber Bears.
Positive speculation and negative speculation are two different animals and should be treated differently.
False. Opposite sides of the same coin.
If such was the case, then I am sure that IHub would potentially or eventually shut down or lose many members.
Based on what? All of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
I am sure that the IHub Admins know this and do not want unnecessary or unconfirmed stressful environments created or supported only by ones emotions with unconfirmed negative beliefs. Negative thoughts should always be heard, but not to where it’s redundant and unconfirmed causing stress.
Setting aside the extraneous comments about "stress", how is that possible when we are ambivalent toward investment sentiment? We welcome and encourage all points of view irrespective of investment sentiment as long as they are expressed in accordance with our TOU.
When a stock presents a very solid risk in my opinion, take some simple steps. Do your due diligence (DD) and make the decision to take the risk or not from your own DD. Place the blame or success on yourself for the outcome and not anyone else. To hang around for the reasons I have been ”primarily” referring to within this post are for the wrong reasons. Remember, stress kills. I recommend one moving forward if a particular stock is not for them. To hang around to simply antagonize people should not be allowed after you have clearly made your point. Just because a stock does not release info as often or when one likes does not confirm that the situation has gone bad either as I have seen used as reasons for assuming the worse.
You are totally focused on the wrong issue. Rather than trying to manage others' expressions of their opinion, as a consumer of information you should focus on your ability to filter posts from your awareness if they do not meet your criteria. Just like all things in life.
After one makes their negative point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, asking “similar” questions over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an answer would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have questions unanswered at such times.
Another good case for some word substitution:
After one makes their positive point constructively, it should remain. However, if it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, then those redundant posts and any related should be removed. To add, making similar claims over and over again to where it appears that one is belaboring their point to where it is creating a negative/stressful environment, those posts and any related should be removed too. This will especially be where ultimately it’s very obvious that an affirmation would need to be provided by the company and not anyone within that particular forum. This is usually the case with most stocks that have claims about them unanswered at such times.
Once again, no difference between the positive and the negative. Your arguments is based on the incorrect assessment that Negative = Bad and Positive = Good. Positive and Negative are complimentary functions. Just because they are contrary to one another does not make them mutually exclusive.
Bottom line, anything that is considered to be antagonistic in nature especially with negative connotations behind them to disrupt the environment and bring unconfirmed stress, should be removed.
False. The TOU has no such provision and any moderator of a stock-specific board who egregiously removes posts on that basis should be removed.
This is the unnecessary stress that should not be allowed.
Extraneous and irrelevant.
I trust that the IHub Admins will support my decision on how I am viewing matters or correct me where I am seeing things wrong.
I don't, and I hope I have. I'm sure your intent is noble, especially with regard to everyone getting along.
Bottom line: One must embrace their opponents' right to express their views at least as much as they value their right to express their own views.
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! LOL LOL LOL
Youse get my drift? All in my not so humble opinion!
I collect indians! My Boyfriend is a Seminole Indian! And he approves this message!
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