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OK I just spoke to Zelibor, he said that is deluged with emails from concerned shareholders that are on this message board, he does not follow it but is trying to respond somehow without ignoring us and doesn’t think that this guy warrants a press release, and while he didn’t give me permission to post of course there weren’t any secrets so I guess I’ll post what we talked about. Oh and just so you know I haven’t actually talked to him since the shareholders meeting and I’m sure that he appreciates that (I’ll send an email about once a month if I see something I feel warrants his attention, his responses for the most part is just, Thanks, Best, Tom). Perhaps this post will take some of the load off him; I know that my phone and email box overfloweth over the holidays from some of you guys so I cannot imagine what his must be like. He said that yes there are a lot of half-truths in BS’s posts but for the most part he is off base about the material that company has or had at one time (we did not get into specifics) and the guys at the company are far and away too busy for them to respond to every single question, request for data or accusation that is made. (in other words if they say R33 at 1510nm, 10% solubility is X blam blah blah one could just change up the numbers and say that they are not telling us everything.)
The bottom line that Tom did say is that EVERYONE involved with the company is HEAVILY ENGAGED and for anyone to think otherwise is incorrect and that with the exception of options that most are not even compensated. Tom did say that obviously they are not at the company just because they “like him”, (OK so what do they see in it?) I hope this helps, Tom is one of the few CEO’s that responds to everyone and I think that perhaps he needs to delegate that to Steve C, after all that is what Steve is getting paid to do.
I hope this helps, message boards are very hard to communicate on, I get accused of all sorts of weird things that some folks interpret differently than what I was trying to get across.
Happy New Year Guys,
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Jon as long as the post is relevant it is our duty to leave it up there. We do not want to manipulate the board to only have positive posts. Let the Bashers state their case, that is what makes the world go around. I’m sure you guys know it but when I respond to one of their posts, I’m not really speaking to them or the folks that understand the potential. Anyone that believes an anonymous poster that purports to understand what is going on at the company because of a batch of Perkinaime that they may have had one time ago should think again. Games will be played, games will be played, again that poster is not going to fool anyone that has done their homework.
Folks if you loved this at $1.20 you have to like it even better at .70. Think with your noggin guys not your emotions. Many folks will try to discredit to convince others to sell to them; I don’t roll that way, I’m positive 90% of the time but would never play dirty just to make a buck. Hey that guy thinks that he knows something bad about the company, if so and he was smart he would figure out how to short it and wouldn’t say a word until after he sold. Not sure if that is what he is doing now. Whatever it will not change the science and I think that Joe Miller, Fred Leonberger and this new cat should be evidence enough of the potential.
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The results you Bozos, I do not have data available to me like this self proclaimed expert. I haven't a clue what or how these new molecules that they are submitting the provisional on perform.
Enjoy
If so then I'm sure that will make his day. He's kind of like that goofy kid in high school that sometimes you let hang around and open the beers for the gang.
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Hey If I (of all people) after following this for 10 years can not lay out a logical picture of the business model here, not personal attacks, then by all means sell.
I did my best.
Hey ol Ponz been freaking out for years on Yahoo because of my call on the Gig stock at $50 Bucks, it has permanently warped his mind as to how someone could have been right with logic. I think that he thinks that the message board controls the science, the strenghts and weaknesses behind nanotechnology.
And Yes I'm most definitely going to take advantage of this buying opportunity (below a Dollar) but I won't bash to scare someone.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm a big boy. Oh I'm kind of leaning towards Bama or AZ,,, curious where the IP behind Bsmith is located.
Good Luck
The Big Picture
I cannot speak to the science because it is not available to me I can only speak to the story as it played out here in Delaware so one has to look at the players that are calling the shots. Those that did not follow this as it progressed might not quite “get” what is going on here and might think that it is as simple as calling up someone that was the (Then Current) Senior Vice president of Corning and while still on the board of Dow Corning, (so successful in fact that he was credited with saving the company) and saying “hey Joe will you lend you name to the company without vetting the science?”. Oh and Lou Glasgow was the Director, Organic Technologies at Corning one would certainly think that they had to review everything first. You are insinuating that Glasgow wouldn’t tell Miller if there was an issue? You make is sound as if Fred Leonberger doesn’t know the strengths and weaknesses of the molecule that he is working on for a modulator that will perform an order of magnitude better than the LN Modulator that he is credited with inventing. OK back to the history, When Fred Goetz went down suddenly how does one think that the chemistry was recreated, JM is not an organic chemist so at the time I think you will see that it had to be Dave Eaton that founded Dupont Photonics and Ross Fasick because of his experience with polymers and dyes at Dupont where oh by the way he was the Senior VP of Polymers (No doubt with the help of Mrs. Goetz and Andrew). Were their issues and growing pains with this, heck yes and we know that, we have been there and done that no need to go back over that. Last summer Z said his goal was to get Lightaves material in a device, they tried once and it failed, however the second time it worked. Somehow you are claiming that the material in the device that they just released is not Lightwaves which is a direct contradiction to Z’s “With the combination of proprietary Lightwave Logic electro-optic polymer material and the extremely high optical field concentration in the slot waveguide modulator, the test modulators demonstrated less than 2.2 volts to operate“ Now you can go back historically and look at all the institutions that they worked with Arizona, Alabama, CUNY etc. and yes there were problems with cooking the Perk, shipping, followed by delays on the other end, academia pulling them in different directions etc. When Z became the CEO Lightwave basically kicked them to the curb, sorry about their luck, I’m sure they are upset perhaps about it, perhaps that is where you fit in, I’m kind of leaning that way. I remember Arduengo at Alabama touting all of molecules that could be created, Back to History 1 ½ years ago Joe Miller stood in front of us and said that in order to hammer out the issues needed to reduce the feedback loop, well they have done that and it certainly appears as if has worked. He said that it would take a while and he couldn’t guess how long but it looks like he was correct, go figure. Again I’m not sure of the time frame of your self proclaimed “intimate knowledge” but I think that it might be a little dated.
OK so now they find themselves with material that works in a device, how long before someone steps up to the plate? As for the LSS who knows but I agree proly Intel because if you’ve listened over the past 3 years it kind of jibes with what they’ve said here.
Oh and going back to Joe Millers comments about how he sees this playing out going forward at the shareholder meeting he said that they could either have a “nice little materials company” or they could “Drive the Market with Devices” So factor that into the LSS priority Push Off. I think that Joe Might know what he is doing. So I just threw down 5 players here who have done this sort of thing numerous times successfully, How many years and BOD meetings for fortune 500 companying planning, implementation for the rollouts of Polymers and Optical devices have you attended?
Oops I almost forget the latest BOD member that JUST joined, I guess they also fooled him so they could use his name I mean what would Siraj Nour El-Ahmadi is a Co-Founder and CEO of Menara Networks, Inc., located in Dallas, Texas, is a company that develops products and solutions that enhance layered optical transport networks know about potential here. He sold his prior Qtera company to Nortel in 2000 for 3.2 Billion, oh and he also held a Senior Manager position at Bell.
Once again I ask when was the last time you had a window into the interworking as to the data and how long a batch takes, poling issues etc?
Aside from the science and looking at trading. What will be especially interesting, And I’m Not Saying That This Will Happen but it would be Fun to watch. OK let’s say a couple get scared (you won’t scare the big guys here) and sell, along with tax selling and then some wiz bang shorting. K if the Shorts do not arrange first and go naked they will have to find shares to short (that will be difficult I can assure you), and the tax sellers that want back in will have to wait 30 days. Let us just say that we do a deal for something, LOL. Hard to say the timing of this but there is now way I’m doing anything but buying so I shouldn’t lay it out there, but what the heck.
Again BS is your knowledge newer than Raj’s and many Billion dollar device rollouts have you spearheaded, Not Just Read About or Participated in?
X Long and Strong Baby
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB944787107903519226.html
Oh and for the Naysayers Qtera sold before it had any commercial products available.
Oops I almost forgot about Babu that was Brought on 17 Months ago to clean up the Perk, here Dr. Sundar has over 13-years of experience working in medicinal and organic chemistry at Astra Zeneca Pharmaceuticals and most recently Cephalon, Inc. Dr. Sundar has published 25 manuscripts, has been granted 10 patents, and has been the lead author on 7 journal publications.
Again What iteration of Perk are you speaking about because I think that we are in an entirely different ballpark now.
Let us say that it is true, how did you come by this information? all that I'm saying is that for about $20 grand they could get an answer then the company, institution or individuals NDA is then liable and their butt is on the line. That is what I'm saying, if it is not then you'd have to defend it.
Good Luck
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Oh and anytime you say that a company is misleading investors,,,, just saying,,,,, I'm not sure what your motive is but shoot all it will take is a phone call to set the wheels in motion.
I'm not sure if Bsmith72 will have any appreciable effect but if he does,,,, (especially on the Goetz's and Pop Goetz's estate), but if so,,,,,,, just saying.
http://www.fhdlaw.com/html/articles/SF_Gate-Offline_Lawsuits.htm
http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news-media-law/news-media-and-law-winter-2001/through-accusations-defamat
http://www.syversonlaw.com/Internet-Law/Internet-Defamation-Libel-Slander.shtml
Besides the company, (I also wonder how B Smith Formerly Opsis now at Intel might view this.)
At a minimum I'd say throw $20k the attorneys way to walk this back to determine the players and ultimately the origin. If Bsmith is correct then there may be a pot of gold at the source of the LEAK. if not I'm sure that he's got deep pockets.
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Life is too short, Look at what I can do with the Trap Thrower that I got the kids for Christmas with a few modifications made in the garage.
In the year end review Z said “We also have several materials that have third-order properties necessary to create all-optical switches.”
(who was interested in the optical switch?)
So up to this point we the shareholders only knew about 1 third-order Perkinamine material. Hang on, if my memory serves me right we did hear Michelson during the SHM say something about a part of the lab to work on the Lightwaves Chi3 materials (plural) and at the time I pointed it out. This could also explain how Bsmith purports to be an expert in Perkanimine and know for a fact that it doesn’t work. So I guess that there is now more than 1-3rd-Order material so are there also more than 2 or 3 - 2nd Order materials?
Again I ask this BS cat, Just how many of the Perkanimine molecules are you familiar with, are you familiar with any of the newer molecules, are you familiar with the Bamaphores? The more that I think about it, I think that I’ve figured this out, I'd elaborate but the message board is not the place for that to be explained in black and white, it is the internet and anyone can access it. I said that as this comes to fruition, games by many will be played, I think that this is more out of either jealousy, vengeance, missing out on what they feel is their just do, or it may have even been someone purposely mislead by the company in order to do the right thing for the technology.
I think this is BS’s root cause - “Tom and Jim don’t even know what is going on in the company and they are supposedly running it!” Well I’m sure that Tom didn’t know everything that was going on an Aircraft Carrier or the 3 that were in the Fleet of 100 sent to the Gulf after 9/11 but he most certainly was the man in charge and apparently able to handle it. That is a pretty HUGE task. OK leave him out and Look at the players here, they are not stupid, also the latest BOD member HAD to review all of the data before joining and as many pointed out Corning had to look at Lightwaves Data before allowing Joe Miller to join, Terry Turpin, Ross Fasick, geez to hear BS speak Leonberger is being mislead and is clueless about it, How about Dave Eaton, or Lou Glasgow, the list goes on and on, all of them are far and away above my pay grade.
Oh one other thing in the call “Fortunately, we now have core molecules that we can adjust at the periphery” Note the words “Fortunately” and “Now” this is an "update of new events" and IMO may have just happened within the past couple months. (Proly a direct result of Joe Millers Feedback loop) Hey perhaps that is what upset Bsmith.
Thanks BSmith for bringing to our attention the existence of more than a few molecules here now. And again what made you pick Bsmith (former head of Opsis as your Screen Name?)
X I’m OK with this now but he certainly had me going.
OK THINK ABOUT IT LET US TAKE BOTH BSmith AND LIGHTWAVE’s WORD FOR IT, FOLLOW ME. BS’s main point is with the Molecules called “Perkanimine” that apparently he has some experience with or knowledge of. Could they both be telling the truth? Folks also remember the word Bamaphores?
And no I’m not an insider, I do not know this just taking both at their word and ananlyizing what they wrote.
Now let us look through the update for the words “Perkinaimine” and words like “Our Polymer or Molecule” and look through the update to see if it is possible that both are telling the truth. I just looked and didn’t see the word “Perkanimine” anywhere in there but I do see a couple new molecules referred to. I looked back and the last reference that I see was in August however when they used the words “Perkinamine TM Family”
I guess that’s a good question for BSmith - - How many molecules of the PerkinamineTM family is he familiar with 2nd Order AND 3rd Order?
2013 has been a good and productive year for Lightwave Logic. - - - > Advances in material science and device development have characterized it while ….. This has laid the groundwork for further success in 2014.
Given the amount of progress since the annual shareholder meeting ……..The excitement that we have toward the future prospects of our company as a result of the progress we are making can sometimes get “lost in translation.”
Lightwave Logic has made great advancements in the development of - - our - - - (not anyone elses that they bought on the open market but “OUR”) organic nonlinear materials and advanced photonic devices. These simultaneous efforts are already bearing fruit as described in the November 26, 2013 announcement of - - our - - initial test results of a Silicon Organic Hybrid (SOH) slot waveguide modulator.
Regarding material development, we have greatly improved our ability to synthesize, purify and test materials. This is important because materials respond differently under device conditions (BS disputes the fact that a material operates differently under device conditions). We now have a core set of waveguides with well-understood properties that we can improve and build upon in devices. Furthermore, the entire synthetic chemistry effort can now operate with a feedback loop from actual data gathered from testing prototype devices. This allows us to quickly make chemical alterations to improve device performance. (This is exactly what Joe Miller said had to happen)
- - -> This ability has recently generated TWO NEW MATERIALS that are so innovative that we are in the process of filing provisional patents to protect the intellectual property. There are potentially more provisional patent applications on the way. < - - - -
The photonic device development program is moving ahead in multiple applications—each one to address multi-billion dollar market opportunities. These devices, when fabricated with - - - > our < - - - proprietary organic nonlinear polymer systems offer an order of magnitude performance improvement over what is currently available in legacy systems—more importantly, at drastically reduced cost of acquisition and with lower operating cost.
We are now - - - > solidly < - - on the road to commercialization and successful completion could be considered the Holy Grail for optical communications and computing. To our knowledge - - - > we are the first company to be this far along with a polymer device that can offer significant performance improvement of cost per gigabit of transmission and reduced power consumption. These factors will enhance rapid adoption by potential data communications and telecom companies and gives us an advantage to capture a large share of the enormous and rapidly growing markets for photonic devices.
It is important to understand that now that we have moved - - - > our < - - material into operating devices, performance parameters can be tailored to specific device requirements, necessitating further enhancements of our material properties. This is an iterative process, but as previously mentioned, we have vastly improved our chemical synthesis efficiencies that can now take virtually instantaneous device feedback to allow for customization of the polymer material to improve performance.
Silicon Organic Hybrid Modulator
We recently announced initial test results of a Silicon Organic Hybrid (SOH) modulator. This was a proof-of-concept nano-scale 1mm2 device that was tested to demonstrate modulation capabilities - - - - > of one of our materials.
The device demonstrated performance that exceeded currently installed inorganic based devices in the parameters tested.
- - -- > Notice though that it does not say Perkinamine < - - - -
Parameter LWLG SOH Lithium Niobate Legacy Device
Modulation 40 Gb/s 10gb/s x 4 = 40Gb/s
Drive Voltage < 2.2 volts 3.5 volts x 4= > 6 times power consumption
Bandwidth > 40Ghz 10 Ghz x 4 = 40 Ghz
There are other parameters we will be testing in the near future. Keep in mind the objective was to get our material into a device and test it as soon as possible. While it was not our device or design, it proved out important technical capabilities that give us the confidence to accelerate the development of our proprietary device designs. These are as follows:
Spatial Light Modulator
Together with Boulder Nonlinear Systems, we are developing a spatial light modulator that could be used in both defense and commercial applications like target recognition, facial recognition and other optical computing activities. This design is the brainchild of our own Terry Turpin, who is one of the foremost authorities on optical computing in the world. The initial feasibility study is now moving into a project design phase. We intend to put forth a timeline on this project after it is fully vetted. Successful development of this device will yield a million-fold performance improvement over current spatial light modulators that use older Liquid Crystal Display technology. Successful completion will open new markets in applications that heretofore have not been possible due to LCD technology that can only process 50 to 100 images per second.
Data Communications/Telecom Photonic Transceiver
In partnership with the University of Colorado, Boulder we are developing multi-channel integrated Nano-photonic transceivers (MINTS) for application in data communications and cloud computing. The transceiver has an intrinsic data rate, which currently exceeds 40Gb/s. When used in an array, data rates in excess of 100 Gb/s can be achieved. This device can also multiplex the data, which means that it can run many different channels of 40Gb/s data simultaneously.
We are targeting large cloud-computing datacenters that are desperate to find ways to increase the amount of data that needs to be moved while decreasing costs. Our initial focus will be in the rack-to-server layer where we estimate there would be demand for millions of these devices each year. This will be driven both by replacement of inorganic legacy devices and by the explosive growth in demand largely from cloud computing. One of the main advantages of organic polymers is that they are less expensive to manufacture. We believe that we could sell commercial devices at a price significantly below what a Silicon Photonics device would sell for. Our research has shown that devices priced at or below $500 per device, would provide us with a potential market opportunity north of $500 million per year that would be difficult for other manufacturers to compete against. This inherent cost advantage, when combined with superior performance, is the ultimate goal of our development program.
This is already moving forward and we expect to have initial proof of concept devices available for testing in late Q1 2014. This initial SOH effort will baseline and prove out the circuits. (just so you guys understand these devices will not contain Lightwaves EO Polymer but will be used to establish a baseline) The next run will be coated with - - - > our polymer materials, which is slated for late Q2 2014.
The industry is forecasting that the Internet will soon be moving a petabyte of data every second (1015, or 1,000 terabytes), so the market potential for this kind of device is enormous. We also believe that eventually it would be possible to penetrate other lucrative, high-value layers deeper within the cloud-computing datacenters.
Silicon Photonic Slot Waveguide Structures
The Company has developed slot waveguide structures that will be one of the basic building blocks of many of our devices we are working on in the first half of 2014. With wafers provided by IMEC, (Interuniversity Microelectronics Centre) in Belgium, we are now in possession of hundreds of chips that are ready to be coated with materials and put into devices. These chips are the basic building blocks of many different device structures in our development effort and having a large supply of them gives us the ability - - - -> to test and optimize our materials and device designs.
We successfully deposited - - - - > our polymer materials into other slot waveguides and poled and tested them at high speeds.< - - - - - - - We were extremely pleased with the initial results and are now analyzing our data and relaying the information back to the chemical synthesis lab to adjust material properties in order to make even further improvements for our IMEC chips. Once again, different devices require slightly different material properties depending on the specific device configurations and applications. - - -- - - - - -> - - - - - > Fortunately, we now have core molecules that we can adjust at the periphery.< - - - - -
Advanced Telecom Modulator
We have been in the process of reviewing a second-generation design of an advanced high bandwidth telecom modulator. This is a unique design that will incorporate - - - - > one of our proprietary electro-optical materials < - - - -. The Lightwave Logic team that includes Dr. Fred Leonberger, Dr. Alan Mickelson and Lou Bintz is developing this. Based on a thorough review of the design, we have decided to move it forward into the initial prototype phase. The first step here is to bring online the necessary manufacturing capacity in order to support the fabrication of the device. < - - - - - (BS would have us believe that it takes too long to synthesize the material) < - - - -
The core telecom network upgrade to 100 Gb/s and 400 Gb/s data rates is predicated on the availability of reliable, optical modulators with bandwidth in excess of 30 GHz. - - - - - > Our proprietary organic modulators may exceed the required bandwidth in addition to an inherently lower production cost in contrast to the prevailing crystalline, inorganic modulators used today. In 2013 and beyond, the optical modulator market was estimated to be greater than $229 million annually.
All Optical Switch
We currently have an all-optical circuit design with waveguides. - - - - > These are now available to us, and initial testing should be complete in the first half of 2014.
- - - - - - - - > Wo, Wo Wo “we now have SEVERAL” - - - - -> We also have several materials that have third-order properties necessary to create all-optical switches. This means light-switching-light without on-board electronics. All-optical switches can be used for improving and replacing the MEMS (micro-electro-mechanical systems) mirror solution in current routers and for special purpose all-optical computing units and encryption systems. The optical router market represents an enormous opportunity and advanced encryption systems would be of particular interest to the military < - - - - -.
Potential Major Microelectronics Customer/Large Scale System Supplier (LSS)
The Company continues to work on meeting the specific parameters laid out after last spring’s test on the LSS’ devices that were coated with one of our materials. Given that we have advanced our own device effort much more effectively during the course of the year, we have decided to improve our own devices to the next level of performance to give us a better position with the LSS. This does not mean we have stopped working with them and in fact, continue to update them on our progress as we proceed. The material enhancements we are making in our devices also serve to satisfy the LSS’s requirements as well.
Three-Way Collaboration
We are entering into a 3-way collaboration with University of Colorado and a yet to be named third-party to work on advanced photonic devices. This is the same entity that provided the plug and play modulator device that was - - - - > coated with our material. We hope to expand this collaboration and will have more to say about it when the agreement is complete.
Potential Business Combination < - - - - Possible Motive?
After evaluating several potential business combinations we actually made an offer for a company that met our goals of being able to generate near-term revenues and would have provided a way to eventually migrate their customers to organic devices. However, their board of directors did not accept our offer. The company has not yet been acquired and we are looking for ways to collaborate with them in the absence of an outright purchase. We remain on the lookout for other companies to approach, but will continue to be very selective in our acquisition process. Too often companies make bad choices and over-pay, just for the sake of acquiring another company and the result can be disastrous. We believe that no deal is better than a bad deal.
I, as are you, am disappointed that we did not receive the revenue that we anticipated would occur this year. That fact, however, does not solely define the success or failure of our company during 2013. The culmination of all of the company’s progress this year, - - - - > especially these past few months, has added a significant amount of value to our company, which is evidenced by the increasing number of companies that have, or are expressing interest in engaging and/or collaborating with us. They can sense that we are on the precipice of new and exciting capabilities and have indicated to us their desire to be a part of our groundbreaking technology. We have never garnered this much commercial interest during any other period of our company’s history.
Corporate Goals for 2014
While, small innovative companies like ours have to remain flexible to changing landscapes of opportunity, we have laid-out the following initial goals for next year. They are:
• Build upon the recent successes to improve and optimize - - - - > our materials and how they work in devices for the commercial market.
• Continue to advance the device efforts detailed in this letter.
• Complete several proprietary devices.
• Continue to look for a photonic device company to acquire or enter into a joint venture.
• Move from development stage to a commercial enterprise with a source of revenue. Identify other markets and applications for our devices.
In summary, 2013 was a great year and will set us up for continued success in 2014. We are pioneers in the vanguard of optical chips and photonic device development. I hope you understand that as we make our transition into device development it is not as easy as taking a design—coating it with our polymer, attaching electronics and turning it on. Our technologies and devices address the real needs caused by the proliferation of “Big Data” and hyperscale networks that now have to manage complex data sets on many thousands of servers. We believe that we have a real and differentiated value proposition vis-à-vis other competitive technologies and are creating cutting edge, sophisticated devices designed by several of the leading experts in their respective sectors. - - - - -> Our materials enable these designs. If this were simple to do, it would have been done by now.
We firmly believe that organic nonlinear polymer materials are the solution to the problems data centers and telecommunications networks are faced with today. This gives us a clearly defined value proposition to differentiate ourselves from other competitive technologies like silicon-only solutions. Even though there is an insatiable demand for bandwidth, it must follow the natural progression of technological improvement and at reduced cost. However, - - -- > due to past development failures by others, < - - - organic nonlinear electro-optical polymers are certainly a show-me story—and that’s exactly what we are attempting to do here at Lightwave Logic. 2014 is our technology productization year and we are both confident about our technical edge and our understanding of what are the addressable markets. We intend to show the world an array of working devices in not one, but in a multitude of applications and industries.
That rules out Arduengo. Were you with that crew?
I'm getting bored, going to bed G Night, twill be interesting.
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Did you ever eat at "the worlds worst pizza" on Union Street?
and Forest G stompin grounds
I haven't a clue especially when what they are removing is relevant to the company and the discussion.
I was just looking around, I mean as long as BSmith is 100% correct I guess he'll be fine but "In the online world, you have the ability to exercise your right to free speech on any number of news websites that permit blogs or public postings to news stories, online forums or other message boards. However…there is no absolute right to say or write anything you want without risking litigation or other consequences…" My guess would be a cease and desist letter would be in order to him. If he is 100% correct then God Bless Him but it does sound like he is disgruntled and has been out of the picture for a couple years.
I guess we'll see.
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Based on what you have said tonight, if it is true then they may already be in big trouble, logically speaking if it isn't true then you may be, honestly I'm not sure. Oh well you either believes them or you don't. I believes them. could this Be EM, AZ, HB?
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"Either it is another supplier or they have come up with a new material which they have not done in years!" Telling, apparently this person knows about the status of Perk in the lab as of a few years ago?
Well they did say they were in the process of filing a couple provisional patents on new Chromphores. I find this very interesting, pushing the limit though, hopefully he is 100% confident in what he is saying. Else they might be in Big Trouble.
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What a day for disinformation, Gig has a patent on a modulator that will prevent Lightwave from creating their own,,,,, false and yes I did check it out last summer. Oh and The plug and play Mod will not be the modulator used, Lightwave will do much better than a 40 Gig at 2.4 volts. I’m not sure whose plug and play it was but I don’t think it was Gigs (I could be wrong?). I’m not saying if a deal will or will not EVER happen with Gig but after seeing what happened to the Lumera Shareholders, the Endwave shareholders and at the formation of Gig (Swenson transferred assets but not the Liabilities) that ended up in a Federal Court here in Delaware, I think it would be safe to say that IF they wanted to play ball and IF Lightwave agreed it would most certainly have to be a CASH deal. As for Voltage, Z spoke about it last summer. Aywhoos, whatever guys, just thought I’d throw that out there. Oh and I like the one about “X said that in order to punish shareholders”, no what I said was that wouldn’t it be funny if it happened, I would never try to time this because when I read the recent review/ Letter I can see 1 or more than Likely 2 deals could happen at any time. Oh and I made a mistake I meant the second letter of the first name for BSmith just might an ……….a ….. and the first letter is NOT a D or a P. Sorry about that guys.
Have a good one Guys,
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Hey Bsmith just wondering if you think that you could do better than uh the CEO? Just sayin you sound like you have all the answers or I mean All the questions! I won't elaborate
½ Page Explanation of Lightave Logic’s Technology.
Today’s computers have physically reached their limits because they produce massive amounts of heat (about ½ of the costs in today’s Data centers is for cooling) and if made smaller experience cross talk. Lightwave Logic has an enabling material that is cheap and stable to solve these problems. This Patented Nanotechnology is compatible with Both Plastic and Silicon and will be used to address Billion Dollar Markets by basically converting the Electrons used in today’s computers to Light (Photons) Pulses (EO). Light is much faster and by some freak of nature the Photons do not interfere with each other so it can work on solving more than one computation at a time. The other card that Lightwave has up its sleeve is a material that can control Light with Light (Chi3). Our first order of business will be to demonstrate a basic Fiber Optic Telcom Modulator at speeds of 100 Gig, Today’s 100 gig modulators are not true 100 gig but are made up of 4x25 or 10x10 hence making them expensive. Using that same logic It is easy to see how 400Gig and Terabit communications is within reach. Competing materials in the market cannot stand up to the heat of CMOS process or require protection from oxygen, or require sub zero temperatures to operate, our materials require little if any protection and will sell for ¼ of the cost of today’s modulators. There is much interest in an enabling material platform such as ours in the Defense, Telcom, Datacom, Gaming and Medical arenas and until now nobody has been able to accomplish what Lightave logic appears to have solved.
Oh well Gotta Run No time to proof, Kinda stupid of me to be pumping right now but whatever.
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See that is what makes it difficult I was referring to other references in the post. No Big Deal
I'm thinking that BSmiths name does not begin with a B at all, but I'm kind of betting that the second initial of his first name is an A.
I am so digging this price, I won't elaborate.
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Well I don’t have a problem with them deleting it, My post was the first of 10 deleted and almost every word in my post is directly related to this company, the players and their technology, I’d say the Off-Topic reason is just a red herring. It was proly removed because I hit the nail on the head. It used to happen on the Yahoo board when I’d point out something approaching the line the date would get changed to December 31, 1969 (long before the internet was invented) and poof gone. Take from it what you will; it doesn’t really bother me if posts get deleted.
Thanks for responding
I haven't a clue if that was the company or not so why would anyone speculate on a speculation of a speculation.
But I will speculate on company X, Because the BOD of Company X wanted more than Lightwave offered, stupid question.
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[color=red][/color]Question for Bmith, This is the longest Post East of the Mississippi
Nice numbers but where is the proof? An oscilloscope screen shot, etc? If the numbers are true why is it so hard to show a simple screen shot. Publications do it all the time without revealing too much info. Make people believe you otherwise it's just fiction. Btw I have a device that operates at sub 1 volt, invest in me! Just kidding but don't you see where I'm going? Are they using Perkanimine materials or an outsider supplier of chromophore?
I’d bet if they put up screen shot some would say that anyone could have done that. Are they using Perkinamine? Yes in the plug and play device they used Perkinamine (Not sure if it was NR, Indigo, Original, or a new variety) or they are lying, “The device utilizes an existing modulator structure with one of Lightwave’s proprietary electro-optic polymer material systems as the enabling material layer.”
Hasn't this supposed partnership been going on for a few years now? BNS already has a LC SLM. If they have the design why is it so hard to spin coat Perkanimine materials onto TFT/glass substrate that BNS already has? LC has a larger birefringence for a given voltage as compared to an EO polymer (directly proportional to r33 and E field). The key selling point for an EO SLM is the high speed as many of you are aware of. Alternative design geometries can be used to 'enhance' the r33. I won't tell you all of the secrets though :)
And EM Photonics had modulators but they wouldn’t work with Perkinamine so I’m not sure on a BNS spin n coat SLM, but my understand was that it is completely different. As for arguing SLM’s I’m not smart enough to even approach that area. Your post 7505 you asked if someone in communication with Z could ask them a few questions and I did, I cut and pasted your comments and sent them off, the company’s response was something to the effect that you had some valid points that but they are not a research institution and you were off base on the SLM’s. I’m not smart enough to argue so I didn’t post anything.
First quarter of 2014 is ambitious. They are telling the truth about the market potential. Lets see if they live up to their claims. 3 months is too soon but hey you gotta pay bills right? :P
First quarter ambitious, perhaps but Z is VERY conservative, Baseline device end of 1st quarter not using their material prove out the device before put in the magic. “This is already moving forward and we expect to have initial proof of concept devices available for testing in late Q1 2014. This initial SOH effort will baseline and prove out the circuits. The next run will be coated with our polymer materials, which is slated for late Q2 2014.” Time will Tell
Have they successfully moved the lab to Colorado? Ok it is easy to spin coat polymer. It is easy to pole EO polymer. It is easy to test at high speeds. Now actually getting the material to have high r33, low loss and most importantly withstand damage during the poling process is the most important thing. Until "real" results are shown this is just fiction.
Well I did find a new employee Phd guy so perhaps they have moved and perhaps he is setting it up? I don't know. I think that they found out by touting Greenlee that it is best to say you have X number of employees without doing a press release every time. Greenlee did leave AZ to set up the Delaware lab so I’d guess that was why they did it.
Sidenote: Since the CEO is always giving presentations on the material to investors does anyone know if he can actually explain how an EO polymer works without referring to Lou Bintz or his slides for backup? IMO Bintz should be in charge of that.
I cannot speak for Z and JM, could we have better, proly, but hey you go to war with what you have and publicly pounding on them at this particular time will not do anything but make us miserable. If we get to the end of June without any significant accomplishments (as Buzzy told Reds) we need to wait 6 months. At that time I know that I could rally the troops in a matter of a couple weeks, there is no sense doing it now. But I agree though Bintz does appear to be on the ball.
Fred has his hands in everyone's cookie jar. If this guy is seriously involved it would be nice! I believe that Alan and Lou will be doing the design with final approval by Fred. c
Well when you listen to Fred on the call he does say “our” not “Lightwave Logics”
This is summary of the first 2 Minutes of Fred speaking to Lightwave’s Shareholders.
“Our Material is Really Key to the future communications devices that I see being deployed now and for the next decade, this is an important cornerstone for not only the company but the industry”
“Polymer modulators that would use our material”
"Why does anyone care about “our” material,
well it has a number of features that are NOT found in any other material that is why I’m excited about the technology and prospects. First of all it has VERY High EO efficiency; a relatively small voltage produces a big change. Because of the devices optical properties you can get very high Bandwidth, 100 Gig is very hard to reach with any other materials." Most importantly the materials that “We Are Working With” are Very Robust, they can operate at and handle very high temperatures that have been a problem historically but I think that “Our Materials” are fundamentally solving that problem.
If the design is done what takes so long for testing to be completed? They claim to have the materials. Colorado has adequate cleanroom facilities that could be used to fabricate such a device. Tom and Jim live in Colorado making management much easier for them.
They do Not claim to have the materials 100 Per Cent complete.
Mask design and creation by vendor < 2 weeks
Time to create first batch of prototypes < 6 weeks
Excuse my ignorance but are there aren’t any foundry runs?
They have 4 months of testing and device fabrication left to show you all results. Plenty of time to create something even if it's not great.
I though you said that they were too optimistic because they need money?
Why do they need to improve their devices? The devices won't affect how well their material works. Is the LSS concerned with material and/or devices? Improving poling efficiency will help but it makes since to improve poling efficiency using test coupons first. Why waste expensive substrates on improving that.
They said that the material operates differently in a device.
LWLG loves their three-ways with Colorado. Move over and allow another research institution in the bed. :) Plenty of professors out there other than Alan who work in this field. Sticking close to home only makes Jim and Tom appear lazy. Why not look at investors in Silicon Valley?
At one time they had like 6 institutions, too many Chefs to supply, too slow on the feedback, too many variations to keep track of and account for.
So the REAL question is, I mean in order for you have credibility, what is the Actual reason that you found Lightwave and felt compelled to lend us your expertise, I mean if you don’t have a dog in the race, an axe to grind, a product to protect, a purchase to make, a reason to cast doubt why would you come here? Some don’t think that it is important, I do though, because there are Many, Many in today’s world feel that it is OK to do things for their own agenda to trick people that they do not know and will never meet. Over half of the folks here know me and have meet me. Could you atlease tell us if you are in Academia, Business, Investing, is the root of you income Grants, Investors, Government?
That being said, One hole in this entire production process for me is how Opsis, IME, IMEC, BAE would “do a foundry run” with Lightwave’s polymer. Could you explain A to B, B to C, C back to B, Back to A, A does X is the device ready then, etc. In other words will the devices that are sent Oversees to IME and IMEC have the Perkinamine on them, where is it masked, baked, coated etc. is one trip oversees enough? Please give us the dumbed down version.
Thanks.
Hey and just so you know where I’m coming from I’ve have a boat load of money here and have since the days that the Goetzs were turned down for funding by U of W and Lumera was flying High at 50 Bucks a share, I looked at both and thank God I bet here. I very rarely sell but I do buy fairly often so honestly I prefer the low price, (but would never bash to trick anyone into selling). Oh one other question if they have what it appears they have (based on Fred L’s comments) how do you see this ending? Please Be honest.
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Well good luck you sound like a very intelligent long term investor that really does his homework, if you wouldn't mind before I sell take a minute to explain again how a chromosphere with both 2nd order and 3 rd properties is somehow inferior. Oh and please explain the use of chi2 chromosphere without any chi3 materials might be is used in an SLM. Thanks for your guidance
Oh and it also doesn't have chi3 properties or fempto second response times just watch what these guys do Gluck X
Good luck but I'd recommend looking at the cost of protecting their chromosphere from the elements. I would guess the cost just for protection is about1k. It just isn't practical. Good luck that tech was invented by u of w and they sold all ownership. Perhaps something has changed. Farewell my friend
Yes kind of lame.
Well they just put out a hyperlink to the update. It appears that they are doing what they can to tell all the shareholders that something big is in the pipeline because this is the 2nd time they have said “Look at what we said”.
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Yes at the 24 Minute mark. Something to the effect “You can imagine if a customer says I have a very special IO, If they have developed it in the same node as we have developed this chip in, the New IP can actually be added instead of IP that we originally had in our transceiver. And hence we can make a kind of customized transceiver.” Blah blah blah hybrid and external lights,,, In the summary he said that they have already talked to other partners about integrating their IP with Luxteras Transceivers.
It sounds like they also do great deal of work on regulating temperatures with what they are currently using. As for the Cost per Gig Per second compared with all electrical, Not sure if I heard this correctly, they are competitive with current technology (not good enough for Moores law), their goal is be below 1 dollar per gigabit. So 100 gig Modulator for 100 Bucks?, Um not sure, I guess in volume?
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Gates I think that they are saying that we will have our own devices available. They didn't get into the LSS thing. Again what we learn on our own we will use with the LSS.
I'm just glad they wrote an article, as for a media campaign from day one they were never good at communicating a positive message, hang on, uh, Both Fred and Bennett could write light years beyond what most folks could imagine, some would take it a hype others as a vision somewhere in between there is a happy medium.
One thing that we need to do though is that every time Lightwave puts out something we need to somehow change our comments from constantly immediately going negative picking it apart by trying to point out every bad thing that we can think of. Social media does have a impact especially on a Small company like this. I'm guilty of it as well but some like to just beat the dead horse constantly go back and point to negative things or go personal and IMO there is not much to be gained from that. Oh and that comment the other day Reds was not directed at you or your comments. As for the buyout thing, I don't think that our comments on here will affect that, yes I also hope that we don't but this kind of technology IMO will be taken from weak hands (ours) with some serious coin.
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It looks like we got a little press yesterday/today last night whatever.
Too Bad that they didn't mention the contributions of Joe Miller, Ross Fasick, Lou Glasgow, Dave Eaton or any of a number of the Old DuPont guys in the lab, shoot even the word that some used to work for "DuPont" in the article because they all are highly respected in Delaware and many would Google lightwave I'm sure. Shoot by mentioning there names instant credibility here with their coworkers, they know hundreds, if not thousands of DuPonters and their reputations are beyond reproach. Remember that DuPont was Delawares Larges employer and we have Many, Many old retired (very well off) Dupont guys collecting a pension that would love to read about their old coworkers and bosses and dive into this. Back in the day when Fasick stumbled across this technology he studied the science for a long time, this was something that DuPont was working on. At least they are trying, but it isn't and AP story so I think they missed their mark. Without complaining you have to wonder who advised them how to write a story for our local paper.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20131221/BUSINESS/312210019/Newark-based-photonics-startup-gathering-speed?nclick_check=1
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Or mention DuPont Photonics, or One of the departments that Ross heads up, Oops I just looked they too down Rosses profile and added Rajs,
Everyone has figured out what his company does and how we'll no doubt do something with them.
Siraj Nour El-Ahmadi is co-founder, CEO and President of Menara Networks. He has over 20 years of experience in telecom industry with a strong emphasis on optical and packet transport technologies. Prior to co-founding Menara Networks, Siraj served as the Vice President of Product Line Management for the LH 4000, Ultra-Long Haul DWDM system at Nortel Networks. Prior to that, Siraj was a key contributor and Vice President of Product Management & Marketing at Qtera, and served as a Director of Network Architecture and Planning at BNR/Nortel Networks. Siraj is an inventor with 17 patents, issued or pending, in the area of optical communications. He holds a BS and MSc in Electrical Engineering from the University of Oklahoma and is the author of a number of publications. He is a frequent speaker at telecom conferences and currently serves on the Advisory Board of the University of Texas-Dallas Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and Computer Science.
You know what would be hilarious, AND I’M NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN. OK, follow me now, Lightwave is down, the market is up so OF COURSE there will be year-end selling here, it is perfectly logical. Wouldn’t it be funny if they announced a deal at the beginning of next year before the period that one must stay out of stock in order to use those losses? I don’t do it so I do not have the timeframe but basically you cannot sell on the 12/20 and buy at the beginning of the calendar year or the loss is disallowed. OH and I’M NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN but followed by a buyout before a 1 year hold for those shares purchased in the play disallowing a Cap Gain, just saying.
Oh AND I’M NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN.
Sometimes You get the Bear and sometimes the Bear gets you, so keep the shoe laces tight my friends.
Now I really Gotta Run
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Probably the only ones that understand are the ones that are tight with that project just as the only folks that truly understand, or should I say are trying to understand Perkinamine are the ones working with it. Thousands of folks are working with Silicon, Graphene etc. Every time someone publishes a paper many get worried, I also used to do that, back in the day, I’d print it out and run to Fred Jr. with it, he’d read it an answer it. I’m past that now, this is far and away Far, Far, too complex to read a paper and understand the complexities of developing a practical device. Of course what is Obvious is that the very low voltage on that modulator was accomplished with Numerous Modulators all operating at 25 gig and IMO that is not good enough, then when they pushed it faster to 40 Gig it took much more voltage, more heat la la la. IMO what Lightwave is trying to demonstrate is 100 gig Modulation in single slot (actually 2 because IMO they will split it) modulator, the one demonstrated here would take 4 x 25 to make a 100. What is important to understand is that Lightwave just demonstrated a 40 Gig modulator with Perkinamine and Lightwave did not design that modulator, it was someone else’s and they simply dropped in Perk and tested it. Remember Fred Leonberger said something about “borrowing cellular technology”, Listen folks this is quantum physics stuff, very complex and nobody on God’s Green earth understands it completely. We need to exercise patience, being impatient is not going to change how the molecule reacts. As they work with it in our “devices" what is learned there will help us on “other” devices (sounds logical to me). Some here get angry at me for having faith/ patience and think that if I somehow go ballistic/negative speak badly about management it will affect the science it will not and other than an occasional email I don’t speak to them, wait a minute someone said that Turpin left and everyone was getting worried so yes I did call Steve. Listen Lightwave has an independent Director that is in place instead of yelling at me and if large shareholders have concerns my suggestion would be they should set up a meeting, shoot I’d even be willing to do that, I’m not sure how that works but hey unlike explaining quantum physics setting up a meeting would not be rocket science. Geez they just updated the shareholders what 2 weeks ago and I found that to be very informative, but some apparently did not. Of course in a meeting they still can not disclose things that are not public but sometimes it is better to sit across the table man to man and discuss things. What was it that Hal Bennett used to say when they are able to use Perk in teleconferencing the pictures (holograph) will be so crisp that you can see if a person’s face is twitching. Quantum physics does not operate on a calendar year, the scientists get holidays just like the investors so, Uh Whatever, I gotta Take a shower and go.
Ya’ll Have a wonderful Day.
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This is what confuses me, the term “athermal” is used, and then when you dig deeper you find this, actually it is pretty ingenious. I think the power usage term is a little misleading, sure they can switch it but what about the cost of heating or cooling it?
“Implementation of this technique adds an energy per bit overhead” because remember that Thermoelectric devices require a DC power source to operate.
Implementation of this technique adds an energy per bit overhead of ~A$log2 N, where N is the total number of resonators and A is the 2-by-1 electrical multiplexer energy consumption for any given node [25]. For 45nm, 32nm, 22nm and 11nm CMOS nodes, the estimated energy consumption of this technique for a 64 resonant modulators with 53 active modulators and 11 redundant modulators will be 16.7fJ/bit 9.2fJ/bit, 4.0fJ/bit, and 1.2fJ/bit, respectively, regardless of the thermal variations [25]. (It does say "regardless of the thermal variation", that I find hard to believe)
Temperature-controlled setup.
In order to alter and record the chip temperature, a thermoelectric-cooler (TEC) was attached to the silicon substrate and a thermistor, placed adjacent to the silicon chip, was utilized to feedback temperature readout. Then, a commercial TEC proportional-integral-derivative (PID) controller was used to stabilize the chip temperature from 20°C to 30°C with ±0.05°C accuracy. The CW laser is set to (~1587.6nm and fiber to chip coupling is optimized for each temperature set point due to the thermal expansion of TEC.
Thermoelectric-cooler
Description: Thermoelectric coolers (TEC or Peltier) create a temperature differential on each side. One side gets hot and the other side gets cool. Therefore, they can be used to either warm something up or cool something down, depending on which side you use. You can also take advantage of a temperature differential to generate electricity.
Thermoelectrics are able to heat and cool by simply reversing the polarity, which changes the direction of heat transfer. This allows temperature control to be very precise, where up to ±0.01°C can be maintained under steady-state conditions. In heating mode TEMs are much more efficient than conventional resistant heaters because they generate heat from the input power supplied plus additional heat generated by the heat pumping action that occurs.
A design engineer should consider them when the system design criteria includes such factors as precise temperature control, high reliability, compact geometry constraints, low weight and environmental requirements. These products are ideal for many of the consumer, food & beverage, medical, telecom, photonics and industrial applications requiring thermal management.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lairdtech.com%2Ftemhandbook%2F&ei=d3uzUqfLJtLJsQTcyYBA&usg=AFQjCNEusLCK9t1bePikp06jxEzQsRGmiQ
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TEC
EOM
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There
I would be just making up a number without any evidence to back it up. I've always used 50 Million shares (even from the beginning) and 1 Billion Dollars, 20 Bucks, it could be North or South of that, but the risk reward is Quickly moving towards the Reward Side.
Honestly, I think we need 100 gig, less than 5 volts single slot Telcom in and out for $500 bucks, 1 volt for Datacom, for the doors to be knocked down gapped up end of story, but again I'm just making up those numbers. I'm pretty sure that it is doable, but again I'm just making up those numbers.
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Potential Round Number Returns
Lol uh Ya, I don't want to get into strategies for them but with a market cap of 37 Million dollars until some here wise up one could own 10% of this technology (5 Million Shares) for what 4 million bucks. K for those with a decent amount of coin $400k could K could buy 1% (500k Shares). For $40k .1% (50,000 shares), $4K will get you .04% (5,000 shares) and for $400 you could get .004% or (500 shares). In the end this technology will enable Multiple Markets each in the Billions of Dollars. So Let us just use a round number that the technology IP/recipe is worth Billion dollars and there are 50 Million shares outstanding.
Risk .75 Reward $20, got it.
400 Bucks = or 533 shares @ 75 cents Potential return $10,666
$4,000 = or 5,333,333 shares @ 75 cents Potential return $106,666
$40,000= or 5,333,333 shares @ 75 cents Potential return $1,066,666
$400,000= or 5,333,333 shares @ 75 cents Potential return $10,666,666
$4 Million= or 5,333,333 shares @ 75 cents Potential return $106,666,666
If anyone doesn’t think that there isn't a huge potential in providing the IP enabling Second Order (Electricity Switching Light) material to replace Electrons with Photons and with a silicon compatible material that does not require expensive protection that will basically enable Multi Billion Dollar foundries to continue without the expense of building new ones, while increasing speeds by 1,000 or in arrays 1 Million times then they have a screw loose. Is it possible that there is a flaw somehow in the material, heck yeh but this is the lowest risk that I’ve witnessed here and they NOW have Numerous companies knocking on the front door. Returns in life are about weighing risk against potential reward, and somehow the pendulum has swung entirely in the wrong direction here, it defies logic (and may be intentional), Geez they dropped the material in someone else’s device and it worked, poof out the box and bingo Faster and lower voltage. Folks this isn’t even a modulator that Leonberger designed, or the SLM that Turpin has designed, can you imagine what will happen then. Whatever this material will enable Multiple, billion dollar Markets. Oh and the 20 Bucks doesn’t even factor in the Third Order Material (Light Switching Light) that they have.
And don’t pounce on me for using 20 Bucks a share, that is just the number I’ve used since day one.
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Yup I was hoping someone would mention that.
Wow wieseguy does time fly wise, If I had to guess I’d put your arrival here as mid Smith/Marcelli timeframe (because of lack of money and direction) those frustrating days when we (the shareholders) helped wrestle control of the Goetzs technology and moved it over to the Dupont guys. I still think that those 3 years or so is what has just plain worn out the long term shareholders here. Speaking of worn out, I’m going to do my best and not try and address or answer every stinking Tom, Dick and Harry’s question that comes up. And no I do not buy this latest guy complaints as ledgit, you do not buy a stock one month and if it tanks the next find a degrading name and publicly complain about it, it just doesn’t pass the sniff test. The internet has created some weird characters that enable them to remain anonymous become a person that they are not, and then purposely try to mislead folks. If I had to bet I’d say that it is one of the Gig Optix guys that are still upset at me for calling that molecule flawed 8 years ago, they doubted my sincerity and mistook it for malice (because that is how they roll, it is the world they exist in, so apparently it is what they see in others, creating other ID’s etc.), I guess that somehow they blame the 8 for on 1 stock split on me because they didn’t (and to this day) do not understand the cost of protecting a fragile molecule. And yesterday when someone questioned if the government could take technology I pointed out how the government literally paid Gig 6 million dollars to take Lumeras molecule (IMO to make it appear as a viable technology) and now it is available to foreign entities, comprende? If the investors here do not understand how that fits in to this picture then I cannot help that.
I’ll proly go back to once a day posting until an announcement comes out. Anyhow for those still accumulating this is a great period (kind of like when one is an executive and they are pricing the options) for those that need to sell within a month or two it is terrible, but I’ve done my part to remain confident and explain this as best as I could. Short of yearend tax selling by those that made a killing in the market this year and hope to buy back in after a certain period of time, ( excuse me but I don’t do that so I do not know what the time frame is)(that they have to stay out of the market) I cannot reasonably from a science or business standpoint explain why the price is depressed, that also does not pass the sniff test. But Yes I agree, build it and they will come. This is very , Very, complex technology, it is easy to be mislead.
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Touché Rick. I think that We've lost Reds he'd rather complain.
Funny , I have small vial of original Perk in my office and I have a plastic case that one of my sons baby teeth was in and back in the day I was playing Sylvester on the Adams family. I used water as the solvent; I was shining a laser on it, Red I think, hitting it with a magnet putting voltage across it etc. I took picture before and after, Nothing that I could see, Lol not sure what I was doing. I just looked at it and the plastic is still kind of a greenish black color (this was old first generation Dirty Perk).