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What in the world made them open it at half the price of the previous days close, anyway? Why does that happen?
Can these billions of shares end up being converted at any time?
How could this possibly go up? I was thinking about grabbing some 20s but wow
Thank god I got out when I did. When I saw the huge selloff at 40s in the morning two days ago I ran away... then it looked like it was going to hold 45 or so and I was trying to get back in at .0040-.0041 ... I was even high bidder for an hour
I am not sure WHY the MMs didn't fill me, but I'm so glad they didn't. I'd have been filled with **** more than shares!!!
Is there a bottom here, now? At all?
The part about adding a gabillion shares sounds horrible.. how can they NOT rs it now? Some have said some companies like this are successful even WITH billions of shares, I guess
And the part about Ventana in the 10-k sounded pretty real and good to me
I think JALA is going to be a good stock, might take a little patience.. Good morning to you, too :)
Good morning vietnam!! Go JALA
There was 6M reported after the bell in t-trades, which some say is a good thing and some say is a bad thing.. That brings the total volume for yesterday to 14M ... I sold at 0040 early thinking it was tanking even more, then there was huge "bid support" in 0037 to 0039 range, I suppose. It WOULD have to fall 20% the day after I bought back in, for ******* sakes.
Someone said something about "massive dilution".. where in the world were all of those shares coming from? Who on earth was buying them all? I never saw most of them on the ask, and a lot of sales happened that I didn't see on either side.
Does anyone know why the .0037 trade doesn't show up on otcmarkets.com?? Or why otcmarkets.com has been funny lately? Yesterday most companies had the wrong filings (files for other companies) listed, and I notice that my tape at scottrade doesn't agree with otcmarkets.com charts very much lately..
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5990/tape41513.gif
The float is still only 28M.... is that right? And someone spoke to sam and was told that it won't be increasing any time soon, yeah?
PS: Regardless of how sam feels toward shareholders, I don't think he does business in a way where he'd file anything real late or anything like that
Nice work XZX. I hope you're right about all of that.. no one seems to have refuted much of what you've found. GO WGAS
I would like to see a PR shortly following the 10-k, for sure.. If anyone read my post about them always filing an NT-10k then we know that most of the time they file one of those and then the 10-k comes 15-16 days later. When it came on the 16th the 15th was a weekend day. Once it came a day after the NT-10k.
I guess the 10-k doesn't really tell us much about 2013, though. They should not be able to drop a PR like the one that came out in Feb and then just shut the lights off on us, but I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want to do. The PR didn't make any guarantees and they're not bound to any of it, as far as I can tell.
Yes, if they lied about the commitment for funding, they could be in trouble. The thing is- the commitment letter could have any kind of requirements in it. It could say the loan will only fund if the moon turns green, for all we know, and as long as the commitment exists- they're in the clear, I think.
All of this speculation about all kinds of other things is very interesting, though.. Bankruptcy this, merger that, big names here, interesting characters there. . It's like a soap opera program. I don't know what to think at this point. I don't think Volk would do an RS this very soon after the last one, but, the o/s exploding is pretty scary.
I still don't know how to tell if the float increases when the o/s increases. No one seems to have an answer for that. Someone said that the float doesn't increase when the o/s does, but I think that when they increase the o/s they could be selling those shares out into the market. Why does VFIN always have a 10k ask with infinite numbers printing at that price? But then, we knew before the TA changed that a lot of those were restricted, I suppose.. right? 10%+-?
It's all interesting enough that I got back in Friday.. But it sure is a little scary with the o/s raising and not being sure of what's happening to all of those new shares. Being extremely new to trading, I drank a little kool aide when the Feb PR came out and I bought some at .03 thinking it was going to break .034 --- oops. Now maybe I can get some of my blood back, or lose some more.
Either way- it'll be interesting.
;)
You're right, there sure is some odd trading going on in this stock lately. How in the world did someone manage to get 160,000 shares at .0045 while I was highest bidder at .0048? I had read that some orders will only happen at a certain price (not lower OR higher) so I changed my bid around to 0041,0042,0043,0044,0045,0046 and 0047 ... I didn't get filled at any of those prices and then a 0045 sale prints while my bid is .0048 .... was that because I only wanted 146k or so and that sale was 160k? Why didn't the seller sell 146k to me @ .0048 and then sell the rest to whoever paid .0045?
Anyway- I managed to get back in.. I hope it was a good idea
(My order filled in 3 pieces/one commission)
VFIN didn't seem to be budging from .0055 friday, but he still definitely puts 10k on the ask and sells an infinite number, I think, because big fat prints happen at his ask and he just sits there still showing 10k shares for sale. The good thing, I think, is that they simply will NOT come down and sell to you even when you're high bidder, if you don't meet where they want the price.
I sure hope getting back in at .0048 was a good idea!!! I notice everything is sure weird lately. My scottrade tape doesn't agree with the otcmarkets website sometimes lately.. and not just splitting prints, but VERY different.
This is going to be interesting. I really hope we get some news or more buying pressure!! GO WGAS
I got out for .047 but I shall return as soon as funding is available!! GO JALA
I don't even understand the rule. Supposedly I can do four 3 round trips in a week, anyway? But yet I get freeride warnings on the first one. That's so stupid.
I'd like to actively trade JALA
At least I got some shares today - .0406s!!!
http://www.sec.gov/answers/patterndaytrader.htm
Heard :) Definitely understand THAT.
Thanks again, I really appreciate your help.
Getting around the PDT may cause me to have a lot of money.. there are stocks I could literally jump in and out of ten times a day
Wow, I see
All of this **&* scares me, but there is nowhere else to go if I want to escape PDT .. Sounds like you got a pretty good deal!! Is the service as awful as I've heard that it is?
Also, I was curious to know if they really let you have margin in a $500 account... And if OTC stocks are still not marginable even though they're overseas..
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
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Just wondering how you're doing with sure trader.. I'm *** **** ****ing TIRED of the PDT rule. .
PS: Thanks to Mr. Todoky for letting me know about the 24hr thing- (this http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=85609196 ) it's working great
I never did get the rest of my 0406 order
But I got 95% of it so I'm very happy
Anyone have any more recent news? I can't find anything.. the recording of the latest conference call is here http://ir.idenix.com/events.cfm
I'm really very happy to have gotten .0406s - I just hope it holds above .0425, which it has done VERY nicely thus far. My first time in I paid .16 thinking it was a new company taking off and that there really was a legitimate $2.2M awareness campaign. I then managed to escape at around .09 :(
Good ol' sammy boy could have warned us. That's for sure. **** his attitude towards shareholders(whether they comminicate via message boards, blogs or whatever else)- a lot of people won't forget that later, and that's too bad because it seems like a great company.
Edit: I do believe he'll turn this into something worth a lot more than 5M
I think that the guy who runs things should have a better attitude toward shareholders. His disdain should be directed toward the people who played with the stock without his knowledge and he should let shareholders know what is going on.
Either work on your attitude toward investors OR don't go public, even in otc markets. From what I gather, this guy sounds like a positive person with a positive general attitude. We're investors if we're buying a few hundred or a few million- period.
I got some at .0406 .. I ordered 10,000 @ .0406 limit, I got 9500 at 9:45:44 but I see a print for 10K at that time, so that's odd.. Then I saw 12k go through at .0402 a minute later I'm still waiting for the other 500 @ .0406
Using Scottrade and they always route me through NITE for otc stocks (I love scottrade)
I got back out @ .0059, made a little money ... Who wants to sell me some .0047 today? I only need 86k
I don't want to be without shares if it runs :(
If we can break 3.12 we're going to MOVE! I think
I got back in at 0052 .. I'd like to pick up some more later today. The recent increase in the O/S scares me to pieces like a little girl, but, I'm willing to gamble a bit on them running it again. Looks like VFIN has run out of his endless 0055 "10K" asks, too, which is a very good sign to me.
VFIN, as I understand it, has been known for years as a "conduit for dilution" as one member here referred to it.. Seems like that has been known for YEARS about VFIN (correct me if I'm wrong). If VFIN is done selling an endless supply while showing a 10k ask, that is very good, right?
Risking a few hundred to make a few thousand is worth it. Getting in now to see if it really has bottomed makes a lot of sense, to me. Plus- you can likely sell for at least something if it starts tanking.
PS: Don't forget, you can get LII free if you open a TDAmeritrade account (you don't have to fund it) .. just log into your account and go to trade architect, click on GRID, put a ticker in and select Level II from the drop down.
Here it is as of 9:21 AM (10:21 AM east coast time)
I see
I don't know if I should get out premarket or wait to see if it breaks $5.05 .... I think if it breaks that, it could run up pretty good. I don't really understand premarket trades yet, though. The other day I saw a stock selling as low as $6.0x premarket and the latest quote was over seven - then - it still opened and traded at above seven all day.
Oh, thanks for the fast response!! Is he the idiot who is selling off 26M shares, or did he already do that, or what? I was watching the LII like a hawk friday and it had one heck of a terrible time staying above $5.0x - but - when it touched $4.82 the bids lit up like a stoned hooker at christmas time. . Same thing at almost anything up to mid nineties. . Definitely plenty of buying pressure (to my untrained eye)
Also I saw SEVERAL $1M+ trades - most prints were much smaller, there were a (very few) printed at about 1/10th that size ... I'm new to all of this so I didn't know if that meant anything, or what?? One of them happened as a buy and several more happened at exactly 16:00
PS: Maybe the beev can distract him from selling his shares long enough for me to gain a few more cents - Lo L
Now 5.05 bids are stacked seven deep, since I did this screencap
When do we think the late filing will come? I looked up the last few years and it's generally almost exactly 2 weeks late (they always do an NT-10k) .. Once it was only a day late. Do we think it'll tell us anything?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=86330553
I'm limited to one post per day now, so I am not ignoring you if you respond - and - thanks for the PM!! I'm looking to pick up about 100k today, so good luck to us!!
As an aside, if I say PLAYERRRRZZZZ enough, can I be allowed to post more? What a ______ joke.
I'm lost now.. I thought that they had a CEO some wanted to be rid of but some wanted to keep, now they've appointed a new COO - which I thought was essentially the same thing... Is this perceived to be good news? Pre market is looking fairly good
Anyone else still watching this? Any speculation as to what it might do monday? I'm still new to trading but I did make some observations:
SD is still pretty interesting- it had one h___ of a terrible time breaking 5.00 and couldn't stay above it for ____, but, I saw huge bid support all day up to $4.9x and two HUGE orders printed during the last trading day .. Both were WELL over $1,000,000 (250k shares)
One was at $4.92 at the ask price and the other one was a sell at I believe $4.91 .. Huge sizes relative to what was going through all day - the largest blocks I saw other than those were 1/10th the size and there were not many of those at all
Then- right at the close three more 244k printed @ $4.96
I'm not sure what the ___ that means, if they're real or not.. Who puts $1M orders through all in one order? If they're real orders, would they not have broken them down into smaller blocks? But, could wash trades really be this huge?
This is all some interesting ____ to be learning about
Does anyone know where I can find a record of the whole tape from friday?
$1,000,000++ BUY @ 4.92 all in one shot!! WoW!
Does that mean the float went up that much? jesus walking
When it touched 4.82 the LII bids stacked like it was christmas time.. Anyone think it'll be able to get above $5 again today??? Seems to be small volume at the lower prices and huge volume at higher prices, if that means anything..
I WANT SOME OF THE FIFTIES
I could not get a check to the broker so I'm restricted until friday :(
Shouldn't earnings reports be coming any day now?
If I understand things at this point, several entities recently got a lot of shares.. I kind of think they'll either sell it into the ground OR if it holds this level they might be planning to run it again. With all of the new eyes and the recent weeks explosion in volume it could move huge. It moved BIG before all of that even happened. Next time could be bigger.
Also, it has anything at all to do with energy.
If it holds between .0045 and .0055 I'm going to buy the **** out of it. Well, relative to my financial situation. I'm ****ed as it is, being a little more ****ed is not important to me. ;) Wish me luck!!
Maybe my neighbor will give me some money from his welfare check, the little ****. LoL. I am unemployed - but - you won't have to worry about me trading YOUR money unless I rob that guy next door
Short recap:
O/S has gone way up since the last r/s but the stock moves with a hair trigger and I think it's finding bottom REAL well like me at a munch where a lot of sub females show up. There's wild speculation all over the place in the bull and bear camp going on. The whole o/s has recently traded. The stock has never had volume like it's recently had. The annual report is late, as it always is (did anyone see my post about that?) and who knows what that means. There is mystery and intrigue everywhere. Will it tank like a penny is predisposed to do or will it soar temporarily and make longs happy?
WHO KNOWS
But
What an interesting ride
We've seen some crazy sales here and there.. another 20k sell/buy today. Anyone remember the $85k one at around .03? The 25k at around .01? What were all of those daily t-trades every day there 1M-2M in size for awhile around .01?
No one knows who knows
I think it will hold at well above fifty and I want more at these levels, personally.
It seems like they always file an NT10-K and then file the 10-K a couple of weeks later. Except in 2011 when it was a day later. I'm not sure what this means or whatever else
10-K ..... Apr 21, 2009 Dec 31, 2008 2.2 MB PDF RTF HTM.L XLS
NT 10-K Mar 30, 2009 Dec 31, 2008 38.7 KB PDF RTF HTML
10-K ..... Apr 15, 2010 Dec 31, 2009 1.7 MB PDF RTF HTML XLS
NT 10-K Mar 30, 2010 Dec 31, 2009 37.5 KB PDF RTF HTML
10-K ..... Apr 1, 2011 Dec 31, 2010 6.4 MB PDF RTF HTML XLS
NT 10-K Mar 31, 2011 Dec 31, 2010 28.0 KB PDF RTF HTML
10-K ..... Apr 16, 2012 Dec 31, 2011 4.9 MB PDF RTF HTML XLS
NT 10-K Mar 30, 2012 Dec 31, 2011 28.1 KB PDF RTF HTML
I've never seen one of those, before.. When was it due?
I don't think it even matters when they actually drill, if we had news of being a step closer it would fly just on that