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SPIN, could these PP guys still be shorting it down to $1.60 so they could pick up more and know that they were getting shares at $1.90 to replace the shares they shorted down from $2.60? Nah
Blue, if he is still unreliable in your eyes, and the past is still here, why are you still invested in this stock?
BTW, my $1.60 buy this morning is looking pretty good right now. Did you partake?
Greg if they were planning on the burn being 1 1/2 million per month with say $50,000 a month revenues and they then knew that they would have 2 million a month revenues but would have to increase the burn rate to 4 million a month to gear up bodies for that increase in business, that would change the date of breakeven.
Now lets say that 4 million dollar burn rate will accomodate 10 million a month in revenues. When the revenues get to that figure they will be cash positive. Again at that point they will probably have to add more to the burn rate for further increases in revenues and so it goes.
You have spend money to make money. By investing the first part of their revenues into the interstucture, you will then be cash positive at a later date.
D&O is Wave in it's worst position in the market place in the history of the company or the best? Does the future look bleak or bright? If you answer those two questions in the positive mode you will reap the rewards of this investment in the years to follow. If you want a payday today, it aint gonna happen.
Weby we all must keep the burn rate and revenues in perspective. The real story here is that for once in Wave's lifetime it at least looks like there WILL BE REVENUES. That in itself tells me Wave will be in business, will have revenues and will turn itself from a startup company to a revenue producing company.
We have waited years for this to happen. It is happening NOW and yet everyone is down. Can not comprehend it.
SPIN, you've made your point over and over again. What good is it going to do to just keep repeating 'how unreliable' they are? We get your point!!!! Are you back in? Is that what keeps you going?
wavxmaster I can't believe I am printing this but I bought another 10K at $1.60 a little while ago. Can't believe it got there but I'll take it. To me this is a no brainer but I am sure there are those that think I don't have a brain for doing it. Oh Well.
Maggie, just for your edification, Matt informed me that post that repeat a theme are O.K. Duplicates are meant for posts that are the same and posted twice.
BTW, I take your little snide remarks regarding my boring posts on 'guts' to me, as an attack post, but I will let it stand to show you that I am bigger than your attack.
Have a nice day. Kisses to you, Trance, N4 and whoever else is in your inner circle.
mannoumur I have said all week that arbitrage was in play and I have been saying that I believe we are forming a base now. I also said that once the street recongnizes what went down (regarding the financing) that we would move up again.
I look for a base today and tomorrow and upward pressure next week. All in my opinion of course.
etkd, I don't know. Here is Matt's Private e-mail address. Why not send the question to him and ask him.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/post_prvt.asp?user=2744
cpa, you are correct. I missed one of the words. See, I'm not perfect. I guess the other two monitors missed it too.
Doma I am not able to. And to be frank, I don't think I would if I could. It is not their negativity that bothers me, it is their lack of truth to themselves and others. They are here for one reason only and I will let you decide what that is.
I am sure they are waiting with batted breath for the opportunity to meet you. NOT.
Just a guess. An accredited investor should invest at least that much if they are accredited wouldn't you say? Maybe it was a million, who knows.
A four cent spread on a quarter of a million shares. Looks like a bottom is being formed in my opinion. Of course the shorts would like to see $1.60, that is why they are trying to scare you all.
Hang in there if you believe what Wave is doing, in not, find a better investment.
Bearmove, you must be short now right? You don't give a fig about Wave, admit it. All you care about is booking a dime here and a dime there. That's O.K. But don't come on here and pretend to try and save us all. Tell it like it is. You are a trader and will say anything to try and get the price to move one way or the other for your dime profit. You could care less about Wave or care less about saving us. All you care about is making a dime today. Do I have you pegged correctly BearMove?
Blue you said: "So why do I do it? Because I believe Wave's idea is a brilliant one and if mistakes are pointed out, perhaps they will correct them. Right now I feel as if we are marching off the cliff. Why? I have no idea".
If you have no idea why do you keep posting this stuff over and over again. There are many here giving you DD that shows you where we are going yet you don't seem to read what they are saying. Many good things are happening but you prefer to talk about founders shares, PCFree and the whole gambit back to 1998. This is 2003 not 1998. Intel was not in the picture in 1998 nor was any of the other gorillas (at least they weren't in public). Wave has brought them all to this point in time. Don't you see that? Wave has brought them all to the forefront. Without Wave, TCG, TCPA would not have happened. You just don't see the big picture. You just want to see the share price move up a dime or a dollar. That's not what is important right now. Deployment is what is important. The revenues will come and then the share price will come. There is an order to things in the investment world. You want the end result to come before the ground work is done. The ground work is being done NOW. The price will come later.
Those that see that (us turtles) will be here to reap the rewards. The traders will be gone with their small profits and the turtles will be here with their mega shares after splits and will be rewarded for seeing the whole picture, not just the day to day price of the stock.
If the stock went to $20.00 tomorrow would you be happy and would you sell? You have to say yes, no? Me, I would not sell out at $20.00 if I see steady growth. The end game is what matters, not the day to day price.
greg s', none whatsoever. I got into this investment many years ago because I believe Wave would be the toll booths of the internet. Security is on the front burner right now and that is the trojan horse that will get us inside all the CPUs, but in the long run, I still believe we will get mega bucks from micro transactions, and that will add up to billions of dollars.
Kids will be able to buy 10,000 bullets for $.25 or you will be able to buy something for under a dollar on the internet. It is not profitable for the major credit cards to process charges under a buck. But Wave will be able to. Just the game market alone, world wide, will bring in billions. That is the future I see for Wave.
cpa, no I would not slam you if you told them to their faces what you think. You don't have to do it in front of the meeting. SKS is very generous with his time and will talk to you on the side. Why not tell him on the side, between you and him, how bad he has been for this company and for it to succeed he has to step down and get the rest of his family out of the business. Isn't this what you have been advocating for some time now? You can do that privately. Why not, if you believe what you are saying?
Toro, not to worry. No one will confront management face to face that they are lying, cheating and robbing us. No one will DO IT for one reason only BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DOING THOSE THINGS TO US.
Blue you said: "our share price is falling and the end seems near".
Give us a break please. Take this somewhere else. The price is what it is and the end is not near. If it was how is it we are tied up with Intel and there are still people out there willing to invest a half million dollars each, in a private placement?
The sky is not falling. You first have to come out of the house to see the sky. Please come out of the house and look at the bright sky. It looks blue to me and quite pretty. I like what I see. I don't see it falling at all.
Then, CPA, why do you slander them on this forum? YOu use the words here, you use the innuendos to make them look like liars and thiefs. You even come right out and say that. You slander them here where they can not answer you. Why not to their faces if you believe what you are saying? If it's the truth it's not slander is it? Why would it be slander if it's true?
I guess the answer is, that you will not admit to, is that it is not true. They are not thieves and liars and they are not crooks are they?
It is pure slander by many here, THAT IS THE TRUE.
Blue, have you ever told them to their face that their "leadership" is wanting? Or do you just whine in every one of your posts here, behind the curtain?
Blue, go look at your last 20 posts or 100 posts. Read them again, objectively and tell me if every posts is either a whining post or a negative post. Be honest with yourself and go read them. Pretend you are a child, reading what your father wrote, and them come back and tell me you are proud of the way you are handling yourself in this forum. Go read some, for your own sake.
SPIN, the point I was making, and was not really referring to you, is that there are some here that keep defaming the Sprauges because they can not answer back but yet are to cowardly to face them in person, or in an e-mail, to tell them what they think of them. It is much easier to defame them here, than to go to a SHM, or a show, where they are there in person to tell them to their face what they think of them.
First of all, if I owned shares of a company that I thought was run by crooks and liars I would be out of there in two seconds. If I liked what the company was doing and these innuendos came up, I would confront them in person, or in an e-mail, to see if these charges were true. If I came away from a meeting with them and I felt they were lying to me, or cheating me, I would sell in an instant. There are so many other good investements out there. Why stay with one where one thinks he is being lied to? You yourself said there are many good investments out there.
This is a little company that is worth less than $2.00 a share. It's a nothing little investment. If they were stealing you blind, why trust them with your money?
Deep down you all must think that they are doing something right, otherwise, for the life of me, I can not see why you are still invested in this company.
I used to play cards, very high stakes, many years ago. When we lost, it was like a badge of courage. Hey, I lost big tonight, I'm a man. Maybe that's the mentality here. Hey, I lost a lot of money in Wave, I'm a man now. Is that why the whiners are still here? So that they either hit it big or they can brag how much they lost?
We should have some weird investors in this stock, probably me included, but I believe in management, and what they are doing, otherwise, I would have taken my hundreds of thousands of dollars and invested them elsewhere.
Wave is in position today that they have never been in. We are shipping product and we are shipping with GIANTS. Do I hear the whiners giving management credit for that? Oh, maybe a line like: "True they got us Intel but what else are they going to do, we just keep going down, where is the excitment of that announcement? Why isn't the World buying Wave because of Intel? How come we don't know what Intel is shipping"?
Give me a break. We are at the beginning of deployment. We have finally got the market to be where we have been for years. It is all coming together and I all hear is how they have lied to us and that they are crooks and they are taking us down the river. It is so funny that what some are saying that it is just plain ludicrous.
I do believe that most of the talk here is from traders that shift with the wind. Just look at the way CMF has been over the years. He has slammed Wave to no end, many times. And he then praise them when he is long, like now. He can not say enough good things about Wave. As soon as he sells I guarantee you he slams Wave again until it gets back into his buying range. There are many here like that. That is why I take what the traders say about Wave with a grain of salt. They only post for one reason only: to manipulate the stock up or down for their own purposes.
Time will correct all about Wave. I still believe.
So, CPA, on Friday you intend to tell SKS to his face that he has lied to us and that they are crooks. Please have someone next to you as a witness to this dialog. If you do as you say you will do then I will have great respect for you for not hiding behind this message board. Anything less then calling them liars and thiefs to their faces does not cut it.
And Blue, in case you missed my earlier post I am only one of three people than monitor this board. To be accused everytime a post is deleted is not fair. I don't delete as many posts as you all think I do. So I would appreciate it is all of you do not blame me for a post removed unless you have absolute proof that I did it.
SPIN, you said: "the spragues, a family that IMO doesn't care one bit about the very investors that permit them to live lives of bon vivants while voids live the life of Reilly, just might be less than honest".
You and others keeps saying how dishonest the Spragues are. The simple fact is they can't answer you. Why don't you and the others have the guts and write them an e-mail and tell them to their faces how dishonest they are. Then you and the others can feel honest about yourselves.
There are many traders here that say things to see the stock move up and down for their own profits. Is that honest? At least you and the others can confront someone here and deny being 'dishonest' but the Spragues can't. They wouldn't address them anyway because it is a phony charge.
I have known these people for many years and I guarantee you they have a great deal of loyalty to the shareholders. They know who kept them in business all these years and don't think for a moment that they won't take great pride in seeing us get very wealthy from this investment.
All of you 'honest' folk that try to make the Spragues look like crooks are just cowards hiding behind a message board because you know the ones you accuse can't answer you back.
Be a man and write SKS and tell him you think he is a crook. That's the manly thing to do.
If any of you have the guts his e-mail address is
ssprague@wavesys.com.
I doubt the CPAs, the bluefangs and the hhh's of the world have the guts to send him an e-mail and tell him he thinks he and his family are a bunch of crooks. You all say that here, over and over, why not say to his face???
If you don't have the guts to do it, you should desist from this slander.
Enough is enough.
SPIN let me refresh yours and everyone else's memory. There are 3 people that monitor this board. I am only one person. I do not delete every post. I wish you, and everyone else, would please stop condemming me for every deleted post.
I have no idea about riptide's post. If it was an attacking post or had vulgarity in it or was not civil it was deleted. But it was not deleted by me. I hope everyone understands what I said in this post and please get off my back. I am human just like you all, and I don't appreciate everyone blaming me for every deleted post. O.K.?
Blue you said: "INCLUDING the negative ones that have been off limits".
You know that is a lie and I resent it.
Cisco is talking security. Bolds are mine.
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Cisco's Gang of Four Tackles Security Fears
Wed Nov 19, 3:36 PM ET
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Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO - news) has moved to address the growing awareness -- no, make that fear -- among its clients concerning a plethora of network-security issues. Cisco is forming an alliance comprised of four of the largest antivirus and computer-security firms, the so-called "Cisco Network Admission Control program," to take on the security challenge.
The partners -- Cisco, Network Associates (NYSE: NET - news), Symantec (Nasdaq: SYMC - news) and Trend Micro (Nasdaq: TMIC - news) -- intend to develop a new system for protecting networks against worms and viruses. The four companies expect to start marketing this application early next year.
"As the network continues to be a mission-critical business system for organizations of all sizes, a top priority for customers is securing their information assets and minimizing the impact of viruses and worms," said John Chambers, president and CEO of Cisco. "Cisco's Network Admission Control program is designed to address a pervasive customer concern by helping organizations contain security threats before they cause damage."
Latest Strategy
Cisco's line of defense -- that is, internal, local networks -- is the latest industry strategy against malicious code. For the most part, corporate and individual defense lines have focused on protecting their Internet boundaries," Meta Group analyst Mark Bouchard said, "yet they still fell victim to the exploits when mobile or guest users connected their infected PCs directly to internal local area networks."
The next "best practice" for security will require a combination of strengthened internal policies and network admission-control systems, Bouchard says.
Such systems allow network access only to "trusted" endpoint devices, such as certain PCs or servers. In its initial phase, the Cisco Network Admission Control application will enables Cisco routers to enforce access privileges when an endpoint attempts to connect to a network, the company said, basing its decision on such factors as whether the device in question is up to date on its antivirus and OS patches.
Indeed, this "health check" is the most promising element of Cisco's new initiative, says Gartner analyst Richard Stiemmons. "The other parts of the strategy are basically just a regrouping of Cisco's capabilities into a framework for customers to refer to in order to better protect their networks," he told NewsFactor. "But the health checks, or verification of access to trusted users, is a hot topic and a very hot pain point for enterprises, post Microsoft Blaster."
Cisco Network Admission Control systems initially will support endpoints running Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) Windows NT, XP and 2000 operating systems.
Good First Start
Although the initiative is still light on details, Meta Group analyst Peter Firstbrook praises it as a good first step for Cisco -- indeed, networking companies in general.
"Someone from the network side needed to get involved to start controlling access," he told NewsFactor.
"This has been a big security problem and, in fact, a lot of clients were infected the way Cisco CEO John Chambers described," he continued. "Oftentimes, a security perimeter would be breached simply because someone brought in a laptop from home and infected the system when it accessed the network that way."
Other companies would need to cooperate with the Cisco alliance's endeavor to protect the network, Firstbrook added. Microsoft, for example, needs to get involved so no special agent is needed to authenticate to the network, "but that is for the long term -- maybe with the Longhorn release," Firstbrook noted.
Well, we didn't get to $2.00 today but I have no doubts we will get back to $2.50 in a reasonal period of time.
I believe we will see $2.00 before the end of the day and I also believe that once the street realizes what went down, we will continue upward.
The PP was very bullish for Wave.
twinkie I don't know you, but I do know Dhamster, and if says it was from Wave I believe him 100%
SPIN, l let your last two posts stand. The first was an attack post and the second was vulgar. I will delete the next attack and vulgar post from you.
No, one dictakes civility and common courtesy. There happens to be three people that monitor this board.
Vulgarity, attacks, spam, and duplication of a theme over and over again will not be tolerated.
No one is required to be here. If you are not happy with this board I suggest you leave or find another board. The majority rules here and the majority wants a clean board with pro and con. Go back and read this board for the past couple of days. It's a zoo.
24601, I would be sorry to see you leave but the good of the board comes first. Repeating old stuff day after day is not acceptable. You have the ability to send private messages. If it so important for you to talk to hhh about founders shares please do it in private.
RWK, both.
Whether some of you like it or not we are going to take this board back and use it for the way it was intended.