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Trump’s hush-money case has proved he’s a low-life. Can it prove he’s a criminal?
"Do you believe Michael Cohen?" At least we know Kirschner believes Bragg has a very strong case.
It is incredible, in many other places teargas would be out ..
Georgia protests .. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69007465
A top couple. Sad, yet yes, inevitable.
Some idea here - Bad government caused Detroit’s decline. Don’t blame the riot. (Slideshow)
"It's really sad, it's such a beautiful city, but so abandoned.
I couldn't believe streets that wide were empty.'
September 1, 2017
John E. Mogk
Guest Commentary
Bad government caused Detroit’s decline. Don’t blame the riot. (Slideshow)
Conventional wisdom says the 1967 riots were the primary cause of Detroit's decline. Deeper study shows this to be untrue. Flawed government policies were.
Long-term grievances of the city’s poor African-American community -- police abuse, slum housing, unemployment and poor schools -- were disregarded, until residents rebelled at these intolerable conditions and shocked the conscience of Detroit and the nation. The riot caused tragic loss of life and property in the some neighborhoods, but most of the city was untouched.
It is widely agreed that Detroit's decline resulted from the exodus of jobs and the white middle class. As the city peaked in population in the mid-1950's, older manufacturing plants reached the end of their usefulness, and the city made no plans to accommodate modern replacements. Auto manufacturers looked to the suburbs. Water and sewerage services there were inadequate, but in 1956 Detroit officials made a business decision to extend thousands of miles of water and sewer lines beyond 8 Mile Road, eventually building a 1,000-square-mile metropolitan system, helping to drain Detroit's jobs and tax base for decades to come.
Then, the federal government acted. The interstate highway program tore through Detroit and, in the process, destroyed the vibrant commercial and cultural center of the city's African-American community along Hastings Street, while the federal urban renewal program wiped out the adjacent Black Bottom neighborhood.
After the riot, more federal destruction occurred. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) launched a subprime lending program for low-income tenants in riot-torn areas to buy homes in better neighborhoods. Mortgages were issued with no down payment required. Housing sales spiked and when supply fell short, realtors used heavy-handed, illegal blockbusting to generate sales by promoting fear that new African-American neighbors would destroy the neighborhood.
Disaster soon struck, with widespread foreclosure and abandonment similar to the results of the subprime lending crisis of the past decade. Foreclosures soared, but banks were fully reimbursed, happily kept substantial closing fees and made more subprime loans. Foreclosed homes in Detroit reached 20 percent of HUD's national inventory, blighting neighborhoods and depressing housing values.
The Detroit public school system played its part as well. In an effort to racially balance its schools, which were one-third white, the board adopted a plan that moved 12,000 students to different buildings. In 1969, state Sen. Coleman Young, who became Detroit's first African-American mayor in 1974, fought the plan from Lansing, as he felt that African-American children were not required to attend schools with white students to be well-educated. In defiance and without board approval, the DPS superintendent and legal counsel met with the NAACP to invite the Milliken v. Bradley busing lawsuit.
The goal of the suit was to establish a regional busing plan. However, no suburbs were included as defendants by the NAACP or DPS. After finding that DPS itself had engaged in discrimination, lower federal courts concluded that a Detroit-only desegregation plan would totally segregate the system within a few years. Accordingly, a regional desegregation busing plan was ordered. The U.S. Supreme Court, however, reversed the order because no discrimination was proved against the suburbs. Detroit-only busing was then implemented and was further exacerbated by a six-week teacher strike, resulting in a major exodus of many remaining white middle-class families from the city. All the while, industry and jobs continued to exit the city.
Detroit's decline resulted from the loss of its job base and predominantly white middle class. The riot was one factor among many, including structural racism, that contributed. In-depth research on what actually motivated individual business owners and residents to leave is lacking, but there is little doubt that flawed government policies overshadowed the riot as the major contributing factor.
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/bad-government-caused-detroits-decline-dont-blame-riot-slideshow
hap0206, You support a crim for the presidency. Why not just accept
that fact, save yourself the trouble of failing to decide his innocence.
Your Detroit reminded me of some posts, luckily guessed the year for a few ..
Susan Tompor: Women business owners see reasons to add to payrolls
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=90170526
and before and after, for interest.
Some detail here, i think you guys have the equity track right.
"So maybe his bank knew he'd be good for it.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense."
Think i read or heard somewhere earlier Cohen lied to the bank as to
the reason he wanted to set the new LLC up. Not sure if that's in here:
Edit -- ok, this from the link below relates/confirms what i understood earlier:
Essential Consultant’s KYC form, which is dated Oct. 26, 2016 (and according to the time stamps apparently took First Republic 12 minutes to complete), said Cohen opened the company for “real estate consulting” and “to collect fees for investment consultanting [sic] work he does for real estate deals.” A question on the form asked whether the entity was “associated with Political Fundraising/Political Action Committee (PAC).” The answer was “no.”
Trump Hush-Money Payment Revealed in Bank Records
Evidence at the center of Trump’s criminal trial was just released by the FBI in response to an ongoing FOIA lawsuit.
By Jason Leopold
May 11, 2024 at 12:30 AM GMT+10
The FBI just sent me a juicy set of documents that’s directly related to former President Donald Trump’s hush money trial currently taking place in a Manhattan courtroom. They're business records from First Republic Bank, where Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen opened an account to pay off adult film star Stormy Daniels.
The details around the bank activity have been widely reported, but many of the underlying financial documents haven’t surfaced. And since cameras aren’t allowed in the courtroom, the public largely hasn’t seen the evidence at the center of the trial — until now.
How I got these documents is kind of a long story. Five years ago, I filed a FOIA lawsuit against the FBI. It was for all the interview summaries – or ‘302s’ as they’re known – from key witnesses questioned during Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference and attempts by Trump to obstruct the probe. I also sought the supporting material FBI agents collected from witnesses, such as emails, handwritten notes and bank records.
There are thousands of pages of responsive records, which the FBI continues to trickle out each month as part of its legal requirement to satisfy my request. Since Cohen was a witness, I’m now in possession of 25-pages of his supplemental interview material.
The contents are newsworthy, to say the least. Last week, as part of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Trump, Cohen’s First Republic Bank records were front and center during witness testimony.
Prosecutors showed them to jurors as they described how Cohen set up a bank account just weeks before the 2016 presidential election, under a shell company named Essential Consultants LLC. He did so after Trump directed him to pay Daniels $130,000 in exchange for her silence about their alleged affair, which Trump has denied. Gary Farro, then a managing director at First Republic Bank and Cohen’s banker, testified for two days about setting up Essential Consultants for Cohen and the paper trail associated with it, which I’m sharing here.
The hush-money bank records: An annotation
The first document identifies the various accounts where Cohen was listed as the primary account holder: checking accounts, a home equity line of credit, or HELOC, and a couple of homes. The HELOC is noteworthy because that’s what Cohen has said he used to fund Essential Consultants.
Trump “directed me to use my own personal funds from a home equity line of credit,” Cohen testified before Congress in 2019, “to avoid any money being traced back to him that could negatively impact his campaign.”
Continued - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-05-10/trump-trial-bank-records-show-130k-hush-money-payment-to-stormy-daniels
conix, That first of yours is as misrepresentative a note as we've ever had here.
"I already consider you an incoherent Leftist indoctrinated in a hatred for individual freedom and responsibility and an adherence to an ideology that has made society slowly break down reflected in more crime and less public safety for citizens. "
And coming from you makes it even more of a joke.
LOL Or as a Yankee fan like a homer .. thanks. Now watch Hovland shoot back to form.
Thanks .. and the change for yours .. homa in for hovland .. then i'll let you go ..
LOL. It was a dart between Homa and Day. The dart flashed a feather saying Homa. Hovland will likely come good now.
Eli, Homa in Hovland out, please. Sorry for change, but m comes before v.
i think i'm in??
LOL
McIlroy, Morikawa, Hovland, An, Aberg, 274 .. thanks GL
livefree_ordie, As you would be told by a lawyer or any judge in any courtroom,
it doesn't matter what your opinion is it's the law. Or in our case the rules.
"Not sure any link will convince anyone here of real news and on top of that it is
all common knowledge among those who read all the news not just parts you like."
The fact that you have so much trouble supplying links while others don't could be a sign of your maturity,
of your assholery or just because you get some sort of kick out of being a jerk. You know best about that.
Of course the easiest way for you to get around your problem is to stop making assertions that
all but you here see as untrue, misleading, most unjust, or just plain way out of sight crazy.
Oh, your latest frantic grasp. The crime has to have a specific name. Screw you. You see the situation, in your own source.
No one other than the sleaziest of Trump sycophants ducks and weaves and grabs for and clasps as frantically as you do.
Yep, and our view would be applicable to any defendant, not only to an asshole we know Trump is.
They say it is hard to prove intent, but i'm leaning they they will be successful in this case.
And that's not because we know he is guilty. Trump of course other than his
eye closing has done plenty more to put the jury offside.
"Yes. There're only two possible reactions. Either you, as a juror, would think he doesn't care about the proceedings,
and is trying to distance himself from them, or you'd think he had some kind of health problem.
Or, if you didn't like him, you might think he was overmedicated, to keep him from being disruptive. Any way you cut it, it's problematic."
Trump is doing his best to delegitimize the entire jury system.
Thing is too, either way it has to be a unanimous decision. It only takes one to be hung.
Trump’s jury doesn’t have to like him to be fair to him
Trump insists that his jurors can’t be impartial. Don’t believe him.
By Abdallah Fayyadabdallah.fayyad@vox.com Apr 19, 2024, 5:00pm EDT
Former President Donald Trump appears in Manhattan criminal court on April 19 for jury selection in his hush-money trial. Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Curtis Means/Getty Images
Abdallah Fayyad is a correspondent at Vox, where he covers the impacts of social and
economic policies. He previously served on the Boston Globe editorial board.
With many links
As the Manhattan district attorney’s case against Donald Trump got underway this week — with the former president accused of falsifying business records to cover up hush-money payments — one question has so far haunted the proceedings: Can the court actually select an impartial jury for one of the most polarizing figures in American history?
Over the past week, the judge, prosecution, and defense have been interrogating prospective jurors, asking them things like where they get their news, and sifting through their social media accounts to see whether they’ve ever publicly expressed their views on Trump. Potential jurors have been asked to read out or explain posts or memes they’ve shared, and at least one was dismissed for sharing a post that included the words “lock him up,” in reference to Trump.
But by Friday, 12 jurors, and several alternate jurors — who sit through the trial in case a regular juror needs to be replaced at some point — were picked.
As the trial goes on, questions about these jurors’ impartiality will surely linger, because Trump and his allies have continued to attack the cases against him as a kind of political persecution — trials with predetermined outcomes. And juries have become his frequent target.
Trump, for example, quoted the Fox News host Jesse Waters in a social media post, claiming, “They are catching undercover Liberal Activists lying to the Judge in order to get on the Trump Jury.” That’s despite the fact that there’s a gag order that prohibits Trump from publicly talking about the jurors.
It’s just one window into how Trump plans to delegitimize the cases brought against him. In fact, since he was indicted, Trump has been preemptively undermining the legitimacy of his potential jury, arguing that it will be impossible to get a fair trial in jurisdictions where residents vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. In a recent Truth Social post, he called Manhattan — where he received 12 percent of the vote in 2020 — “the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country.”
“Don’t worry, we have the First Worst also, as the Witch Hunt continues!” Trump continued. “ELECTION INTERFERENCE!” (The First Worst venue, naturally, is Washington, DC, a favorite Trump target where only 5 percent of voters cast their ballots for him in the last presidential election.)
Regardless of what the former president says, the demographics of New York or Washington, DC, won’t determine whether or not he will receive a fair trial. That will depend on how the prosecution makes its case, and whether the jurors will take their jobs seriously and evaluate the case on its merits rather than on their views of the defendant — something that juries are more than capable of doing.
That’s why Trump’s disingenuous attacks on the jury are dangerous: not because he’s questioning their potential fairness (juries can indeed be unfair, and defendants have the right to point that out), but because he’s broadly deeming some Americans — that is, anyone who doesn’t support him — as inherently illegitimate jurors.
Who are the jurors who will determine Trump’s fate?
Just before the close of business on Thursday, the judge in the case announced that a jury had been chosen. Twelve jurors had been officially sworn in, and the judge signaled that both the prosecution and defense should have their opening remarks ready to go by Monday morning.
In a normal criminal trial, potential jurors who might have read about the case or know key actors could be viewed as a liability, because media reports could influence how they think about the charges. But this isn’t a normal case, and a jury pool that hasn’t heard of Donald Trump is not likely to be found anywhere.
Even if it somehow was, that would present its own problems: After all, would someone who doesn’t know much about the polarizing former president, or someone who’s entirely avoided the major news events of the past eight years, make for a good juror? Probably not.
As Joshua Steinglass, one of the Manhattan district attorney’s prosecutors, put it during the selection process, “No one is suggesting that you can’t be a fair juror because you’ve heard of Mr. Trump. We don’t expect you to have been living under a rock for the last eight years.”
Ultimately, just like any other case, the jury will have to focus on one thing: not their politics, but the laws in question.
The 12 jurors on the trial come from a range of backgrounds. They include financiers, litigators, retirees, tech workers, and a physical therapist. Some are married; some aren’t. Some have kids; some don’t. Some expressed having strong feelings about Trump; others said the opposite. One juror, who said she’s not a political person, said that she likes that Trump “speaks his mind, and I’d rather that than someone who’s in office who you don’t know what they’re thinking.” Yet all 12 said they can still be fair and impartial, and pledged to be as much.
It’s certainly reasonable to be concerned that people’s political preferences and biases might influence how they view this trial. Two jurors, for example, have already been removed after they had been seated. One of them said that her friends and family had guessed she was one of the jurors based on media reports on her background, and said, “I don’t believe at this point that I can be fair and unbiased and let the outside influences not affect my decision-making in the courtroom.”
The jurors’ ability to be fair and impartial will largely depend on how the judge manages the trial. Ensuring their anonymity, as the judge has, will go a long way in allowing jurors to ignore any outside influence. As Julie Blackman, a social psychologist who has worked as a jury consultant, put in an essay in the New York Times, “In my experience, well-instructed juries have shown time and again that they can put aside what they have learned outside the courtroom and focus on the evidence presented inside the courtroom.” The Supreme Court has also ruled that trials can indeed be fair, even if the case or defendant has received widespread publicity.
It might seem like Trump is pushing that boundary given his unique status as the only former US president to go on trial, but he is no different than any other defendant — he is accused of breaking the law and he can’t bypass a trial simply because he’s too famous.
That’s why the judge has to ensure that the jury is as fair and impartial as possible: Trump shouldn’t get any special treatment, no matter how much he rails against the judge, prosecutors, or jurors.
Why Trump’s attacks on jury impartiality are dangerous
Trump and some of his Republican colleagues have insisted that the juries in New York or Washington, DC — where his Jan. 6 case will be tried — are far too biased against him, and that a fair trial is impossible.
In doing so, Trump is essentially saying that the public should ultimately dismiss whatever verdict is delivered, just as he expected the public to dismiss the results of the 2020 election in jurisdictions he didn’t like, such as Atlanta, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Even if he is found guilty, he wants people to believe there is no way the trial will be fair (even though his lawyers played a role in selecting the jury).
Trump’s accusation doesn’t just undermine his own trial’s legitimacy. It undermines a bedrock element of America’s justice system — that when someone is accused of breaking the law, they will be judged by a jury of their peers. By saying that certain jurisdictions, let alone his hometown, can’t be fair, the former president suggests that only some Americans can be legitimate jurors.
That idea that some jurors are ill-suited for the task based on their background or where they live has racist roots that have long plagued the justice system and produced discriminatory outcomes. When Louisiana was barred from excluding Black people from its juries, it created a law in 1898 that intentionally undermined the legitimacy of Black jurors, specifically allowing nine white jurors to deliver a guilty verdict even if three Black jurors voted to acquit the defendant. It wasn’t until 2022 that the Supreme Court in Oregon, which had a similar law, ruled that any of the state’s prisoners who had received a non-unanimous verdict had invalid convictions. In Louisiana’s case, however, despite voters abolishing non-unanimous juries in 2018, the state’s supreme court maintained that all previous convictions would remain valid.
While Trump hasn’t said that he won’t receive a fair trial because of the racial makeup of the jury, the jurisdictions he complains about are much more racially diverse than places his lawyers have suggested that he could receive a fair trial (like West Virginia, for example).
Even if Trump’s attacks on the juries are strictly based on partisan lines, the criminal legal system does not rely on a defendant’s or jurors’ personal politics to mete out justice, despite what Trump says.
Ultimately, it all boils down to one simple fact. “This case,” Steinglass said, “is about whether this man broke the law.” And that’s now for the jury to decide.
https://www.vox.com/24135181/trump-hush-money-jury-impartial-fair-trial
hap0206, Gawd! Anything to press a point. Valid or not, truth or not, doesn't matter.
Not only do you cherry pick from our posts, you cherry pick from your own sources.
"Well, there is your problem -- no crime, the record classification problem is a misdemeanor (and the statute of limitations has run on that)
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Simply, if you delete, alter or make a false entry in the business records of an enterprise and you do so with the intent to defraud, you have run afoul of the misdemeanor crime. If when you do so, you also have the intent to further or conceal another criminal offense, then you have committed the felony crime."
From yours -- "...Because of your potential exposure to a felony or misdemeanor conviction based on what may be fairly insignificant conduct, it is critical to challenge not merely the basis and probable cause of your arrest, legal foundation of a search by the police, and statement you may have made, but every element of these crimes. At bottom, you cannot leave any proverbial stone unturned.
Falsifying Business Records: Penalties and Punishment
Like every other statute found in the Penal Law, the criminal consequences and penalties of a conviction for either PL 175.05 or PL 175.10 is significant ranging from probation and community service to fines and incarceration. A conviction for the misdemeanor crime is punishable by as long as one year in jail while the class "E" felony offense has a potential penalty of up to four years in prison.
Falsifying Business Records: Examples
Maybe you entered information incorrectly into a database at work. You deleted or changed some old documents related to accounts receivable. Even if it seemed somewhat insignificant in the scheme of your employment, you changed some numbers around on bills or receipts. Yes, you knew, or should have known, it was wrong, but you were going to rectify it as soon as you were able. Simply, you fell on hard times or had a momentary lapse of judgement. Before you could fix those errors, however, you found yourself in your employer's office in Midtown Manhattan not merely facing termination, but the threat of an arrest by the NYPD and prosecution by the District Attorney's Office. Whether you are arrested as soon as you are accused or you are the target of an open investigation by law enforcement, you should expect that if your employer, the police, a District Attorney or the Attorney General believe and can establish you had the intent to defraud, then an arrest may be only moments away.
Your link -- https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/falsifying-business-records-ny-pl-175-10-and-175-15.html#:~:text=Simply%2C%20if%20you%20delete%2C%20alter,have%20committed%20the%20felony%20crime
There is your problem.
Sorry, rooster. The Dems were very careful not to bring a charge until they were
confidentt it was justified. Not at all similar to the attempts to impeach Biden.
Yeah, am guess he's listening more time than sleeping. Agree totally, if i were on the jury i'd think "fuck you, you don't
care, i don't care about you." Then would try to put that aside and do my job properly, still the thought would affect me.
Yep. With "woke" it's everything Democrats do that Republicans dislike. Labeling it "woke" cancels it in millions of
conservative minds. It's easy, it's "woke" so toss it in the waste. And with Rufo and CRT it's exactly as you say.
"But no one involved is a supporter of free expression or an opponent of cancel
culture. Rather, they are the cultural force aggressively pursuing cancellation.
Bingo.
I've actually heard Rufo say it out loud. He wants to label everything that mentions
race as "critical race theory". In the end, it's history itself he wants to cancel."
100% - Always do -- "It's not just the landlords.... Think about all the little bars, lunch counters,
coffee shops, grocery stores and bodegas that depended on those office workers. "
As long as the leases are paid for it's many of the landlords who don't care about all the small businesses dependent upon the workers.
hap0206, You can't possibly be as dense as your words suggest. You simply repeat the same things. No one
here, or in the trial, is arguing that the crimes committed by Trump simply in paying the money to Stormy.
"Here is the core of the matter
but were paid to Stormy in return for her silence
That is not a crime -- payments for non-disclosures are made by the thousands --
payments made to influence elections are made in the $billions
So we get to watch this comedy play out -- not long to wait -- about over"
Your deceptive cherry picking from my post
hap0206, Influencing an election legally is fine. Doing it illegally is not fine. You know, we know the payments were not
for legal fees, but were paid to Stormy in return for her silence. And that company records were falsified to cover it up.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174417448
isn't fooling anyone here. The core of the matter is that company records were falsified.
Trump Is Guilty of ‘Numerous’ Felonies, Prosecutor Who Resigned Says
[...]“The team that has been investigating Mr. Trump harbors no doubt about whether he committed crimes — he did,” Mr. Pomerantz wrote.
P - Mr. Pomerantz and Mr. Dunne planned to charge Mr. Trump with falsifying business records, specifically his annual financial statements — a felony in New York State. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=168352179
That one is also linked-in here
Matt Bevan again -- The man who destroyed his life to try to put Trump in jail | If You’re Listening
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174400780
Yep, it applies there, just as it applies in the hush money case in which Kirschner believes Trump's
lawyers Day 1 was a failure. Kirschner believes Bragg has brought a powerful case for the jury. See:
Att: hap0206/B402, flashback Day 1, Kirschner knows - Trump’s attorneys fail MISERABLY in court on first official trial date
You came as an independent, you stand clearly now as an advocate for Trump.
Yes it is my opinion that in that you are the one that looks a fool here.
Next, the criticism you leveled earlier about the hesitancy of Bragg and others toward bringing charges is, in fact, good evidence of Democrat introspection. The same introspection you now say Dems lack.
"Sorry you feel that way,,,,Dems need to be introspective,,,,,,had they been over the last 8 yrs at least, maybe things would be a little different now....
The old saying of quit worrying about what everyone else is doing and saying and worry about what you are doing and saying applies well........
That 70% that didn't want Biden or Trump speaks volumes about both parties"
That so many Americans allegedly still prefer Trump over Biden speaks more volumes about the value systems of those voters.
The susceptibility of Cohen's testimony to jury skepticism is, of course as you know, why so many witnesses before him were
called to give confirmatory evidence that the facts of the crimes, which Cohen will give 1st hand knowledge of, are in fact true.
In a sense a number of the earlier witnesses were witnesses for Cohen. Witnesses to buttress the truthfulness of his testimony.
It only takes 20sec. to get the message -- Execute a Bulletproof Workers' Comp Claim Investigation - Part 2
hap0206, Influencing an election legally is fine. Doing it illegally is not fine. You know, we know the payments were not
for legal fees, but were paid to Stormy in return for her silence. And that company records were falsified to cover it up.
Crimes. Just as Trump has committed crimes which will be covered in other cases, despite his best efforts not to be held accountable for them.
B402, Two links required or your words are worth nothing.
"Even Braggs local policies show dems in a bad light....Like I said before, you all picked
a heck of a time for all your extremism and failed in taking on the most important charges....."
One link the Bragg bit, the policies? 2nd link, what are the most important charges against Trump which Bragg has not taken up?
Your Dem extremism is just one even more fact-free opinion of yours.
B402, Dems? You, a proclaimed independent campaigning for Trump take the fool ribbon for some time.
Rich people who own newspapers can shift elections. Israel shows how.
"As Gaza Talks Falter, Negotiators Look for a Deal or a Scapegoat
"Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices in ‘dark day for the media’
"Biden Was Right About Both Antisemitism and the Palestinians Sometimes basic humanity means seeing “both sides.”
"Israel Is Facing an Iraq-like Quagmire""
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Related:
We all know cancel culture flourished in conservative churches before conservative politicians cynically made it one of their favorite pin on the donkey games. Still, it was with surprise and appreciation that i bumped into and read the the article below. First a tiny reminder:
"Voice of the people: Evangelicals know cancel culture
Related: B402, "...and good intentions it started with..." Briboy - Evangelicals perfected cancel culture. Now it’s coming for them.
[...]Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, church youth groups coordinated book burnings and music bonfires to purge their world of evil art. On any given night of the week, televangelists and Christian activists could be found on cable news attacking their enemies by name and blaming them for the “moral decay” of America.
P - Evangelicals tried their level best to smear and shame any person or organization who didn’t behave or believe appropriately in order to forcibly craft a society according to their Christian values.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170893163
P - "What in the flying fluck is wrong with people in fla?
[...]It also bans classroom instruction on gender identity and sexual orientation up to the 8th grade, legally reinforcing a DeSantis administration move to prohibit such lessons in all grades. Additionally, the bill strengthens the system in which people can lodge challenges against school books, another DeSantis initiative that has led to the removal of material he and his supporters argue are inappropriate for children.""
To the surprise, straight from the horse's mouth -- Cancel Culture Began in the Church
Robert Patenaude
Director-Instructor at Bible-Literalist Institutes
Published Feb 12, 2022
After being in a wonderful old-fashioned missionary revival meeting for four days . . . after listening to missionaries weep as they preach and honestly appeal to hearts for souls the Bible, Gospel way . . . after watching altars full of young people (who don't need trap sets and electric rock guitars to pump them up) begin each meeting with a healthy session of prayer, after hearing the old hymns of the Christian faith sung by young and elderly alike . . . after seeing a local church demonstrate openly love for every member of a goodly number of missionary families . . . .
We see the following, written by Pastor T L Jones and posted by an old-fashioned missionary evangelist,
Brother Michael Thurmond, and w say AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Glory be to the Lamb that was slain . . . .
_______________________________
I'm a traditional Baptist pastor. Nobody has to explain cancel culture to me. Traditional pastors, in every mainline
denomination, were canceled years ago by those who [are] often referred to as contemporary Christians.
We were slandered.
We were mocked.
We were considered archaic and irrelevant.
We were considered far right and extreme.
We were accused of being unloving and without compassion.
We were forsaken and replaced.
We were relegated to the ecclesiastical dust ben of history.
Cancel culture didn't begin and gain traction on a godless liberal college campus. It didn't first flourish in major corporations or on Wall Street. Sadly, cancel culture began in church pews when someone decided that the Bible was outdated, Paul was a male chauvinist, pews were too uncomfortable, pulpits were authoritarian, preaching was dictatorial, and hymns were boring.
But surprise...
We (traditional pastors) are still here. Our congregations are smaller and our influence is less potent in the public square. But our message hasn't changed and we're not folding under pressure.
They only thought they cancelled us. They actually cancelled themselves as they moved further and further away from truth and [away from] those who preach it wholeheartedly and without apology.
We still love the world like we always have. We still have the only message than can save your eternal soul and give you meaning in life. We're not angry or bitter.
So, if you're tired of the fantasies and illusions you've been living and you have an interest in truth and reality again.
Welcome back.
Pastor TL Jones
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cancel-culture-began-church-robert-patenaude?trk=public_profile_article_view
Gotta feel for those ol' time Christian pastors getting rolled by their revisionist fellows. That must have hurt some.
Yep. Always a tough call where some luck plays too. GL
Yep. Lotsa options.
We all hope one of ours wins. Think i have all three. Then there is always the chance of an outside bolter.
Salad rocket is more my style. Know it well ..
What You Should Know About Arugula
A cruciferous salad green, arugula offers a distinct flavor and may have cancer-fighting properties.
https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/arugula .
Att: hap0206/B402, flashback Day 1, Kirschner knows - Trump’s attorneys fail MISERABLY in court on first official trial date
"Att: Zorax - How Alvin Bragg Resurrected the Case Against Donald Trump"
The ego's so big they gotta talk about it. Dumb.
B402, Possibly the biggest fraud to ever appear on this board.
Noted you don't give a shit about the democratic process either.